Eagles vs. Chiefs Discussion Thread

Already up to Chiefs -2 and over/under 49.5

Love kc but I do have little concern Philly won’t come in and forget they have a huge oline and Barkley like bills shit coaches did once again. Bills lost that game in 1st qrtr by giving cook 1 carry in 1st 2-3 drives!! Eagles pretty much got handed this spot, teams literally handing them the ball on kick returns and throughout 2 of 3 games!! I know eagles roster is stacked but still not sold they a great team, not sure I ever recall a team getting so many gifts thru 3 playoff games! Kc won’t hand the game over and big Andy will take Philly d apart with 2 weeks to scheme it up. Another huge coaching mismatch and qb mismatch. Pretty sure spags will find a way to take something away from Philly, they won’t be running for 8-9 yards a pop and have AJ brown running around single covered!
 
Without any stats or trends, ya'll know the script. It hasn't changed in the last few years.

Feel like over almost a must. Seeing hurts make the throws today makes me think this similar to the last SB these guys played. Not sure hurts play like that sb again but I assume kc will take one thing away, not sure they can stop Philly run game but they can probably take brown away and get pressure anytime Philly gets into obvious passing downs. Big question will be can eagles better recover and play the In 2 weeks? Who knows with a bad back. If he out I think spags will cause a ton of problems in the a gap:
 
Talent wise, Eagles have a slight edge on both sides of the ball. Big edge to KC in QB play. Eagles better in the trenches however And, as I’ve made clear, I think our coach is a fucking idiot and will probably cost us the game. If I can get Philly +3 I’m all over it. Doubt it gets there though
 
Talent wise, Eagles have a slight edge on both sides of the ball. Big edge to KC in QB play. Eagles better in the trenches however And, as I’ve made clear, I think our coach is a fucking idiot and will probably cost us the game. If I can get Philly +3 I’m all over it. Doubt it gets there though

can’t argue with wanting to take fg, I said today I woulda played bills had I coulda got 3 or better. I rarely trust kc to cover just win, bookies favorite sons, a dynasty who lets down ats backers all the time while also killing any ml dog betters against them!! Lol.

Obviously Allen worlds better than hurts but Philly does present some similar advantages bills had that their dumb shit coaching staff choose not to use!! Eagles coach might act like a moron but he has good ppl around him and his emotional instability seems to work in Philly and for this team.

I’d take ya’ll coaching staff over McNuggets and company all day cause I’m sure regardless of outcome Barkley won’t end the 1st half with 4 carries and 14 for game unless he pops 3-4 50+ yard runs!!! Then ya def gotta worry more bout eagles wr’s than bills, makes it even tougher to worry bout Geodart which would be matchup advantage number 2 that lines up w bills having 2 good tight ends but once again the shit show coaching staff for bills inexplicably made their te’s paper weights against what kc’s biggest coverage weakness!!

So even tho im gonna go to casino in morning and make a fairly big bet on kc ml i certainly couldn’t argue much taking 3 or more with Philly. I still believe if Washington didn’t gift Philly all those fumbles at terrible times, the refs practically making one call each the drives after one the turnovers that kept eagles drive alive and basically ensured they got 7 (while we want to give refs credit for kc wins think we should be honest one eagles drive after turnover there was a blatant hold right up the middle and not called a big thing said bout kc getting away with holding! Then the “late hit” on Sideline that was total garbage (Ala the calls mahomes gets)bAnd handed Philly at least an extra 4 or maybe 7 if kicker missed fg. If all that shit didht snowball on Washington I believe it close at end and Daniels could have did what he does.

Only point there is we know kc isn’t gonna gift wrap Philly the game like Packers and commanders did. I gotta be fair so as I mentioned above Philly does have a few edges i liked for bills which are pretty similar and I don’t expect eagles to shit the bed and try to be somebody else instead the physically dominant team they are. Should be a very good game but I get best coach in the world who also happens to be best on extra time to take apart opponents schemes, for my money the best dc in sport when it comes to using the pieces he has to create pressure, best qb in the world who skill players healthier than they been all year and I think really starting to get on same page where you can’t key on any one guy, worthy has kinda started shining since Hollywood brown been back, Kelce still has enough in tank if they need him to have big game and while Philly d is strong the speed of Hollywood and worthy, Andy play designs, someone gonna be in a winnable matchup time after time!!

Where I think Philly doesn’t quite match up as well as bills should have is Philly more about the explosives in the run and passing game, that great as it makes them pretty damn likely to have a high floor far as points when they clicking/hurts throwing the ball like today where he dropped a few dimes with blitz bearing down on him (even if he got a extra split second since they wrrr allowing eagles to hold,, sound familiar? Lol), I do think longer clock chewing drives be more effective to keep mahomes on sideline! Again I’ve said a bunch when it all just means I expect it close long as hurts maintains todays level, no team is better winning close games than kc, on the other hand i think eagles built to bury teams and have done so most the year so when butts pucker up late in the SB getting kc so cheap the only play if im making a big play which I believe I am after a playoffs with not all that much action for me. Finally get a game and price that i think worth shoving a pile of chips!! Prob my biggest sb play since rams beat bungals and that was desperation fo get back all the money I had lost shoving and losing one big play after another fading that awful oline; burrow almost broke my ass they year!! lol
 
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Would anyone really go against KC in basically a ML game? KC at this price is a gift. Dont over think it.

I don't and won't.

Of 3 pillars we've seen in recent years, Alabama 1H, Smart and Mahomes, the first two have run their course. The last shows no sign of doing so. Until it looks to be running out of gas KC / Mahomes is on auto play.
 
Would anyone really go against KC in basically a ML game? KC at this price is a gift. Dont over think it.

One the very few times I co-sign the “don’t overthink it” philosophy! Lol. I think Philly gonna have bunch of support, 1st off they busted out their shell against Washington trash d right in time, that final score will gain them some support. There be the folks who hate or have kc fatigue, these mostly the ones crying bout how nfl cheats for kc. Interesting group, they know the Fix is in yet they bet the other team so they can lose and cry on YouTube bout how they done with football cause it fake and fixed, don’t wanna offend anyone but I gotta question your intelligence if you convinced they cheat for kc and you bet against them!!!’ God I wish I knew about a true fix going on like the old nba ref, I wouldn’t have cried or even talked bout cause I’d be raking in money!!!
 
I don't and won't.

Of 3 pillars we've seen in recent years, Alabama 1H, Smart and Mahomes, the first two have run their course. The last shows no sign of doing so. Until it looks to be running out of gas KC / Mahomes is on auto play.
If it loses you can live with it. Can’t take Philly here and lose and then live with this choice.
Reid is in another stratosphere as HC. Imagine if Kelce actually shows up to play?
 
If it loses you can live with it. Can’t take Philly here and lose and then live with this choice.
Reid is in another stratosphere as HC. Imagine if Kelce actually shows up to play?

Kelce just sitting back if they need him, he was most the offense vs Texans wasn’t he? Now that they have Hollywood healthy and more adapted to the offense, worthy seems to be not a rookie anymore,with those burners to worry bout and all the motion anytime they want kelce one on one they getting it.

I wouldn’t argue with anyone who told me they liked Philly at +3 or more; I felt same way bout bills and it never got to 3 so I left alone. I think bills and eagles present a similar problem for kc but I thought bills had the better chance cause they were more built for long drives with their physicality while Philly home run hitters, I love the home run guys for my fantasy team but to play kc I rather have the methodical team who if their coaching staff wasn’t a bunch of mental midgets who put together a game plan I can only assume was drawn in crayon and got hung on refrigerator for a very special boy with a 80ish iq they could have won that game easily and it had nothing to do with w a bad spot on 4th down, don’t nobody with half a brain thinks that play changed outcome!! McNuggets brought it up he so greatful his idiot fan base obsessed with refs instead the real problem (it him, wink wink).

Anyways Philly hits few home runs isn’t as impactful as long clock chewing drives that have mahomes and co on sideline. Philly d wasn’t special vs Washington and look what Ertz did to them (my fav prop yesterday 😆) speaking of Kelce!! I have no clue what that Philly center back be like in 2 weeks? I do know spags would have really made eagles offense pay in the a gap then all over as they try to adjust, I was incredibly dissapointed in
dan Quinn d that they wernt able to make that as big a deal it should have been, a few times you could see some confusion and I think outside the god awful home run by Barkley to open game missing center who one the best pulling lineman in league hurt the run game. Who knows with a back and injury. Dude might feel great and practice Thursday then day later won’t be able to move. Intersting thing to me is I thought bills had better chance vs kc than Philly but the I think Philly would have blasted bills.
 
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I don't and won't.

Of 3 pillars we've seen in recent years, Alabama 1H, Smart and Mahomes, the first two have run their course. The last shows no sign of doing so. Until it looks to be running out of gas KC / Mahomes is on auto play.

Those bama 1st halves were awesome, I still kick myself that I could never get myself to just play them every week: I played them plenty but yea I left some free money out there. Almost as unforgivable as the ppl who convinced nfl cheats for kc yet bet against kc then go back to their you tube or tic toc, whatever the kids using these days and complain bout the games being fixed. I
Really feel like anyone saying kc gaining an unfair edge w refs or blatantly fixed games and they not betting kc with a smile needs their brain dissected to understand where the misfire is!!

Love when a play has become automatic no capping involved! As much time I spend grinding out mlb In summer, college hoops most years my wife hasn’t been stuck in hospital and struggling w health i havnt been able to follow the hoops but anyways point being ya gotta take advantage of gifts like kc!!!! Years ago I had a cardinals pitcher who wasn’t super well known who had a fantastic 1st 5 inning record where he cashed over 70% for few years at good prices:, when nfl started the bull shit Thursday games I figured out quickly the 1st half unders were insane! They had a very nice run.

This 1st playoffs in some time I havnt really made a big bet feeling super confident in any game. Luckily had one or 2 in college football playoffs; think im gonna make a pretty big play on kc ml sometime this week. No desire to lay more than 1 point but still confident Kc wins, just can’t see them blowing the chance at history, I know they not gonna gift wrap Philly a bunch of fumbles, apparently I have refs on our side so Philly won’t get the bogus calls they got to extend the few drives commanders d actually had made a 3rd down stop!!! Which means Philly won’t be up 2-3 tds and I think that their only path to winning, I don’t think they beat Washington if they don’t get the fumbles at the seemingly worst possible moments to keep a multi score lead, just take away the kickoff one before half and I really think that a one score game in 4th and Jayden does what he has shown all year which play big time mahomes type football to win close games late!!! This game will almost undoubtedly be close late and we get Reid and mahomes for so so cheap.

What will live ml be when kc has ball down less than a td at end the game? Or even if kc up a few points and philly has ball under 2 minutes?? I trust spags d to do just what they did to bills and put hurts under severe duress.,,
 
Come play some Super Bowl Squares. Only thing that can make this game interesting:

 
This is very tough to pick a side. Several SB & season trends favor both sides so I may stick with the total. Leaning towards the under 49.5
 
I may find a way to put a couple of bills on the chiefs, just because I would at least win a little $ when the Chiefs win. Little reason to think they won't win.

I also think if this Chiefs team wins, Mahomes is just too good because the talent level is of a .500 team. It just doesn't seem to matter.

Eagles probably the best match up for the chiefs in the playoffs so far.
 
I may find a way to put a couple of bills on the chiefs, just because I would at least win a little $ when the Chiefs win. Little reason to think they won't win.

I also think if this Chiefs team wins, Mahomes is just too good because the talent level is of a .500 team. It just doesn't seem to matter.

Eagles probably the best match up for the chiefs in the playoffs so far.
If you think KC wins then it's highly likely Mahomes will win the MVP. If that happens you have better odds at +120
 
This is very tough to pick a side. Several SB & season trends favor both sides so I may stick with the total. Leaning towards the under 49.5

Man it so so easy tho. Surely not saying kc can’t lose but there just no possible way I believe for a second this game a coin flip like line suggest. How can they possibly tell us the team that has went 17-3 under mahomes in playoffs and won last 2 SB’s and 3 of last 5, probably woulda been 4 of last 5 if wasn’t for their oline getting killed by injury and the goat playing qb for Tampa!!

I know Philly has what maybe a slightly stronger roster on paper but gotta remember kc wr and rb group has only been together and healthy for a handful of games and to me they seemingly look better and better each week, throw in another 2 weeks of practice with the best coach of all time when it comes to getting extra time to prepare, the fact they have more speed on outside since Tyreke left, Kelce can’t be double teamed these days and he saved what he has left in tank til end of the year, he has a monster game in him if he gets single covered and I can’t see how ya can double him and lock up the speed they have with Hollywood and worthy who has came on and I wouldn’t consider a rookie anymore. Maybe I’m wrong but I like a big play here and I’ll sleep just fine knowing I got down money at a crazy cheap price on a dynasty vs a team who pretty much got handed a Free trip by bunch of fumbling bumbling young teams In nfc.
 
Man it so so easy tho. Surely not saying kc can’t lose but there just no possible way I believe for a second this game a coin flip like line suggest. How can they possibly tell us the team that has went 17-3 under mahomes in playoffs and won last 2 SB’s and 3 of last 5, probably woulda been 4 of last 5 if wasn’t for their oline getting killed by injury and the goat playing qb for Tampa!!

I know Philly has what maybe a slightly stronger roster on paper but gotta remember kc wr and rb group has only been together and healthy for a handful of games and to me they seemingly look better and better each week, throw in another 2 weeks of practice with the best coach of all time when it comes to getting extra time to prepare, the fact they have more speed on outside since Tyreke left, Kelce can’t be double teamed these days and he saved what he has left in tank til end of the year, he has a monster game in him if he gets single covered and I can’t see how ya can double him and lock up the speed they have with Hollywood and worthy who has came on and I wouldn’t consider a rookie anymore. Maybe I’m wrong but I like a big play here and I’ll sleep just fine knowing I got down money at a crazy cheap price on a dynasty vs a team who pretty much got handed a Free trip by bunch of fumbling bumbling young teams In nfc.
Also, KC starters have played 2 games since Christmas. Thats a check mark on the healthy list. Philly oline was starting to have injury issues. This is also Genius vs Average in the HC department. You’d have to be either a hater of KC or an Eagles fan to have a penny on Philadelphia. Just makes no sense.
 
Also, KC starters have played 2 games since Christmas. Thats a check mark on the healthy list. Philly oline was starting to have injury issues. This is also Genius vs Average in the HC department. You’d have to be either a hater of KC or an Eagles fan to have a penny on Philadelphia. Just makes no sense.

I couldn’t believe before the nfc championship nobody seemed to care Philly center wasn’t playing, yes they won but take away the total incompetent tackling on 1st play and all the unforced fumbles at worst times and we have Barkley going 14 for 58 rushing and a game Daniels prob wins in end, imo the best pulling center in league made a big impact. I have no clue his status now but bad backs are tricky!!! If he don’t play spags will have a field day blitzing the a gap.
 
I couldn’t believe before the nfc championship nobody seemed to care Philly center wasn’t playing, yes they won but take away the total incompetent tackling on 1st play and all the unforced fumbles at worst times and we have Barkley going 14 for 58 rushing and a game Daniels prob wins in end, imo the best pulling center in league made a big impact. I have no clue his status now but bad backs are tricky!!! If he don’t play spags will have a field day blitzing the a gap.

I think he’s going to be fine for the SB. He was active and played. Now he has 2 weeks off. You’d figure he’ll be close to 100% if he could take the field just a short while ago. He said he’s good to go for the SB.

Agree that the ball bounces helped Philly win that game. But Washington had nothing for Fangio and that defense 2h. Daniels looked like a rookie for the first time in a long time.
 
I think he’s going to be fine for the SB. He was active and played. Now he has 2 weeks off. You’d figure he’ll be close to 100% if he could take the field just a short while ago. He said he’s good to go for the SB.

Agree that the ball bounces helped Philly win that game. But Washington had nothing for Fangio and that defense 2h. Daniels looked like a rookie for the first time in a long time.

I mean I felt like Daniels was pretty good considering until he forced the issue down in 4th and it snowballed. I was watching on crappy little hospital tv without lot of volume so I didn’t realize he center played some, he didht start right? That def a good sign for Philly if he was to be out or “god forbid” re-tweak his back I’d hit kc harder. Thing it be a real problem vs spags d if he couldn’t go
 
I mean I felt like Daniels was pretty good considering until he forced the issue down in 4th and it snowballed. I was watching on crappy little hospital tv without lot of volume so I didn’t realize he center played some, he didht start right? That def a good sign for Philly if he was to be out or “god forbid” re-tweak his back I’d hit kc harder. Thing it be a real problem vs spags d if he couldn’t go
Not sure if there is a DC in the history of the NFL who has reached this status and yet could go down as 1 of the worst HC’s in Rams history. Spags was a coach who once punted on 4th and 20 with 1 minute left in the game and no timeouts instead of going for it. He thought it would be better for the opposition to kneel on it at their 30 than the Rams 30. That’s how incompetent he was.
 
Teams not named the Patriots that scored 40+ in conference championship games are 0-6 in the Super Bowl. Patriots won twice in 04 and 14

  • 1984 Dolphins won 45-28 and lost 38-16
  • 1990 Bills won 51-3 and lost 20-19
  • 2002 Raiders won 41-24 and lost 48-21
  • 2000 Giants won 41-0 and lost 34-7
  • 2015 Panthers won 49-15 and lost 24-10
  • 2016 Falcons won 44-21 and lost 34-28
  • 2024 Eagles won 55-23 and ???
Patriots wise:

  • 2004 Patriots won 41-27 and 24-21
  • 2014 Patriots won 45-7 and 28-24
 
Not sure if there is a DC in the history of the NFL who has reached this status and yet could go down as 1 of the worst HC’s in Rams history. Spags was a coach who once punted on 4th and 20 with 1 minute left in the game and no timeouts instead of going for it. He thought it would be better for the opposition to kneel on it at their 30 than the Rams 30. That’s how incompetent he was.

Don’t remind me, that was when Rams were here in stl, he was so awful! Mike Martz taking over for Verrmeal wasn’t much further behind, brilliant offensive mind but another god awful head coach as he couldn’t seperate the 2 and was only worried bout trying to prove his offensive greatness rather than win games.
 
I know I’m one of the few, but I will be on the Eagles in this Superbowl for a number of reasons.

These teams played in this game a couple years ago. KC with a better roster back then compared to this year, and only best an Eagles team with a worse roster than this year’s team by 3. This year’s team has a FAR better overall defense and vastly improved secondary. The offense is also better with the best RB in the game.
Philly is better in the trenches on both sides of the ball and that is huge. Jalen Hurts has been taking care of the ball much better lately, and will have 2 weeks to get healthy. Philly is also really out for revenge after some questionable calls contributed to the loss last time out. Philly now knows what to expect in this game and against this team that they know they can beat. Almost everyone is going to expect KC to get their 3 peat. The story is going to be pounded into their heads, especially after KC disposed of Buffalo. Don’t underestimate how much this will energize the Eagles. KC still has issues on the O line that the Eagles can exploit in a way the Bills couldn’t.


The only things giving me pause are 1. The coaching mismatch. As I’ve stated before, Sirianni is a fucking idiot. The team is winning DESPITE him, not because of him. However, we now have coordinators who can make up for some of his idiocy.
2. The Eagles injuries at Center are concerning with both our starting center and backup both with injuries. Hopefully the 2 week layoff can help them heal up.
3. The continued shady ass referees. With game so visible, hopefully they won’t be a major factor, but you never know.


At the end of the day, I’ll be on the Eagles. Not just because I’m a fan, but because I believe they are the better team. But I am going to wait until closer to game time to try and get a better line.
Score prediction? Let’s go with 26-22 Eagles.
 
I know I’m one of the few, but I will be on the Eagles in this Superbowl for a number of reasons.

These teams played in this game a couple years ago. KC with a better roster back then compared to this year, and only best an Eagles team with a worse roster than this year’s team by 3. This year’s team has a FAR better overall defense and vastly improved secondary. The offense is also better with the best RB in the game.
Philly is better in the trenches on both sides of the ball and that is huge. Jalen Hurts has been taking care of the ball much better lately, and will have 2 weeks to get healthy. Philly is also really out for revenge after some questionable calls contributed to the loss last time out. Philly now knows what to expect in this game and against this team that they know they can beat. Almost everyone is going to expect KC to get their 3 peat. The story is going to be pounded into their heads, especially after KC disposed of Buffalo. Don’t underestimate how much this will energize the Eagles. KC still has issues on the O line that the Eagles can exploit in a way the Bills couldn’t.


The only things giving me pause are 1. The coaching mismatch. As I’ve stated before, Sirianni is a fucking idiot. The team is winning DESPITE him, not because of him. However, we now have coordinators who can make up for some of his idiocy.
2. The Eagles injuries at Center are concerning with both our starting center and backup both with injuries. Hopefully the 2 week layoff can help them heal up.
3. The continued shady ass referees. With game so visible, hopefully they won’t be a major factor, but you never know.


At the end of the day, I’ll be on the Eagles. Not just because I’m a fan, but because I believe they are the better team. But I am going to wait until closer to game time to try and get a better line.
Score prediction? Let’s go with 26-22 Eagles.

Respect your opinion more than a lot of fans but I feel like few the statements are more than a little shaded thru fan eyes. I have to go back and look at kc roster for the last meeting cause this kc team (when actually healthy which they are more so now than all season minus rice), this kc version is way better than last years team and think that’s undeniable, again i have to look back to the Philly SB and see their roster for that season as my memory not that great, lol. I’ll just sign off w you Philly roster better even tho not having Kelce the center who replaced him been fantastic but as you referenced both are banged up so im not sure the oline is better? Fair to say Barkley more than balances that out tho, still think eagles have to have the starting center and at close to 100% or i really don’t think they have much chance, commanders d was awful and they still had some success causing problems in A gap, spags attacking that spot against a injured starter or backup I think totally eliminates the los adbatege you feel they have so think waiting to make sure the center is in fact healthy important. He might feel fine now but a back injury can get tweaked getting out of bed let alone in practice!

According to our resident Niners fan we writing revisionist history and now claiming those chokers blowing 10 point 4th qrtr leads were 2 more games refs apparently cheated fir kc, so if you part this redic narrative kc getting special treatment than you better not expect it to change for the SB. However if we honest bout these playoffs Philly has gotten at the very least just as much help from refs to get here as kc did. Surely you agree the packers opening kick return was absolutely shown to be a clear packers recovery on replay? The 3 calls I could point out exactly what times each happened unless you know the ones I speak of in commanders game, I think each one came after one those most untimely fumbles possible, I believe commanders d had actually forced would be 4th downs on each those subsequent drives only for a questionable at best flag extended the drive and basically handed eagles tds. I’d just like a little bit of fairness from everyone convinced that mahomes 17-3 playoff record was thanks to refs!! Then again you seem to be playing the same card as Niners fans, bills fans, and all the kc haters and blaming refs for the 1st loss. In that case why do we think Kc won’t get the calls again?

I don’t think you in minority at all, the more Kc hate/fatigue and more this silly narrative nfl cheats for them gets pushed I think the more support Philly gaining, at worst I think the betting gonna end up pretty evenly split here. Really wish ppl would just say they betting eagles with the argument on paper I agree their roster is very stacked. I think ppl are selling kc roster short since they only played together the last month or so but that one the reasons I like Kc, of course I hope all the nonsense true bout Kc getting more bogus . calls than every other team, I personally think it a lazy and worse yet a ignorant narrative formed from jealously of other fan basis but hey, I hope I’m the naive one and the fix is once again in for the best player and coach on the planet!! I’ll never understand all the ppl kicking and screaming after every game kc games are fixed yet are gonna bet Philly. If you really believed this non sense narrative and deep down didn’t know Philly has gotten just as many shady calls to get here i believe you smart enough you would bet the team the nfl has apparently been helping win all these games!! Why wouldn’t you? Do we seriously believe Philly so good they can win despite the fix?


Also agree it be close, I lean to a slightly higher score cause I don’t think Philly d has a chance to stop a kc offense that has for 1st time all year been playing and practicing together and has shown their true potential while looking more dangerous every week. But again if it a one score game I’m getting the best coach and qb of this generation by a mile against a suspect coach and an average qb and it super cheap. If it a one score game in last 5 minutes I’ll be so happy cause everything I bet on kc -120 or so be insane value cause at that point live they will be no less than -250!!! Imo eagles will have to be so superior that they put this game away before the 4th like they did be commanders cause they not winning a one score game vs a team who basically a clone of the pats and don’t lose close games late, period.

As I said respect your opinion as much as any fan, while at least a tie with @Capaholic and @Lexington 125. So certainly willing to see your side of things long as we can hold off or admit Philly got just as many questionable calls on their trip thru playoffs. If you need vid on the 4 plays im talking bout feel free to ask and I guess I’ll do like the nut jobs pushing kc bogus narrative and fast forward thru Game film to find the obvious calls that helped Philly; may have won them packers game since both teams were terrible!! You can admit packers made a clear and obvious recovery on the fumble right? If we can agree on that maybe there hope we can discuss game without the tin foil hats!! I’d like that.
 
Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Chris Jones etc and line 1.5?

I am all over Philly here.

Kinda the opposite way I cap. You basically saying you fading great value cause you think it a trap?

Anyways havnt talked to you much since baseball buddy hope all is well.

Honestly I think eagles are getting a lot more love than ppl think, there an easy argument for their roster overall but imo they paper tigers. Then there so much kc hate/fatigue it sounds to me like lot of those types betting Philly, Philly has a obnoxious fan base who of course thinks kc games are fixed but seem unwilling to acknowledge the fact eagles luck boxed and got plenty of ref help to make it here. I’m baffled everYone focused on kc getting calls when the worst call of playoffs was a replay where it was obvious to everyone packers recovered that opening kick fumble and there absolutely a argument that shit game by both teams that play decided outcome way more than any call kc allegedly got.

Books stuck, ya can’t make the spread more than 3 with any good team vs kc cause just like Brady and pats you know it coming down to 4th qrtr. I get Kc at -120 or whatever And what you think line be when mahomes has the ball down 2-3-4-5-6 points and 2 min left? Prob Kc -250., This a no brainer. Kc has kinda proven they win this game 75% the time minimum and it -125!! Yes please. Maybe this be one the 25x out of 100 Philly wins but I doubt it
 
Action Network showing 79% of wagers so far have been on Philly +1.5 since open fwiw. No data on ML wagers to this point.

Think their direct affiliations are with b365 and Draftkings but not positive, MGM might be involved in there as well.
 
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Respect your opinion more than a lot of fans but I feel like few the statements are more than a little shaded thru fan eyes. I have to go back and look at kc roster for the last meeting cause this kc team (when actually healthy which they are more so now than all season minus rice), this kc version is way better than last years team and think that’s undeniable, again i have to look back to the Philly SB and see their roster for that season as my memory not that great, lol. I’ll just sign off w you Philly roster better even tho not having Kelce the center who replaced him been fantastic but as you referenced both are banged up so im not sure the oline is better? Fair to say Barkley more than balances that out tho, still think eagles have to have the starting center and at close to 100% or i really don’t think they have much chance, commanders d was awful and they still had some success causing problems in A gap, spags attacking that spot against a injured starter or backup I think totally eliminates the los adbatege you feel they have so think waiting to make sure the center is in fact healthy important. He might feel fine now but a back injury can get tweaked getting out of bed let alone in practice!

According to our resident Niners fan we writing revisionist history and now claiming those chokers blowing 10 point 4th qrtr leads were 2 more games refs apparently cheated fir kc, so if you part this redic narrative kc getting special treatment than you better not expect it to change for the SB. However if we honest bout these playoffs Philly has gotten at the very least just as much help from refs to get here as kc did. Surely you agree the packers opening kick return was absolutely shown to be a clear packers recovery on replay? The 3 calls I could point out exactly what times each happened unless you know the ones I speak of in commanders game, I think each one came after one those most untimely fumbles possible, I believe commanders d had actually forced would be 4th downs on each those subsequent drives only for a questionable at best flag extended the drive and basically handed eagles tds. I’d just like a little bit of fairness from everyone convinced that mahomes 17-3 playoff record was thanks to refs!! Then again you seem to be playing the same card as Niners fans, bills fans, and all the kc haters and blaming refs for the 1st loss. In that case why do we think Kc won’t get the calls again?

I don’t think you in minority at all, the more Kc hate/fatigue and more this silly narrative nfl cheats for them gets pushed I think the more support Philly gaining, at worst I think the betting gonna end up pretty evenly split here. Really wish ppl would just say they betting eagles with the argument on paper I agree their roster is very stacked. I think ppl are selling kc roster short since they only played together the last month or so but that one the reasons I like Kc, of course I hope all the nonsense true bout Kc getting more bogus . calls than every other team, I personally think it a lazy and worse yet a ignorant narrative formed from jealously of other fan basis but hey, I hope I’m the naive one and the fix is once again in for the best player and coach on the planet!! I’ll never understand all the ppl kicking and screaming after every game kc games are fixed yet are gonna bet Philly. If you really believed this non sense narrative and deep down didn’t know Philly has gotten just as many shady calls to get here i believe you smart enough you would bet the team the nfl has apparently been helping win all these games!! Why wouldn’t you? Do we seriously believe Philly so good they can win despite the fix?


Also agree it be close, I lean to a slightly higher score cause I don’t think Philly d has a chance to stop a kc offense that has for 1st time all year been playing and practicing together and has shown their true potential while looking more dangerous every week. But again if it a one score game I’m getting the best coach and qb of this generation by a mile against a suspect coach and an average qb and it super cheap. If it a one score game in last 5 minutes I’ll be so happy cause everything I bet on kc -120 or so be insane value cause at that point live they will be no less than -250!!! Imo eagles will have to be so superior that they put this game away before the 4th like they did be commanders cause they not winning a one score game vs a team who basically a clone of the pats and don’t lose close games late, period.

As I said respect your opinion as much as any fan, while at least a tie with @Capaholic and @Lexington 125. So certainly willing to see your side of things long as we can hold off or admit Philly got just as many questionable calls on their trip thru playoffs. If you need vid on the 4 plays im talking bout feel free to ask and I guess I’ll do like the nut jobs pushing kc bogus narrative and fast forward thru Game film to find the obvious calls that helped Philly; may have won them packers game since both teams were terrible!! You can admit packers made a clear and obvious recovery on the fumble right? If we can agree on that maybe there hope we can discuss game without the tin foil hats!! I’d like that.
Thank you for the kind words brotha. You have good points and going against KC in the playoffs is a sure recipe for disaster. I just feel this Eagles team actually matches up quite well with KC.
 
Thank you for the kind words brotha. You have good points and going against KC in the playoffs is a sure recipe for disaster. I just feel this Eagles team actually matches up quite well with KC.

In ways I think they present same problems as bills and I leaned bills just wouldn’t bet against kc without 3+. The difference imo Is if bills coach wasn’t a flaming fucking retard and only ran cook 4x in 1st half that bills run game is far more ball control than eagles is know what im saying? I think it prob a given Philly will hit at least one home run w Barkley and possibly 2 or another in passing game. Thing is that doesn’t keep mahomes and co on the sideline so I have no doubt they will be able to match those explosive play points Philly gets. Ultimately it still leads to a one possession game in the 4th and there just no way I feel bad bout this price on mahomes assuming I’m right and it is close late, there no world I think kc gets blown out going for history and it a very small world where I think they come up short if it close as I expect.

For the record I think it so close between those 3 teams I thought bills had the better chance to beat kc but I think eagles would have beat the brakes off bills.,
 
I know I’m one of the few, but I will be on the Eagles in this Superbowl for a number of reasons.

These teams played in this game a couple years ago. KC with a better roster back then compared to this year, and only best an Eagles team with a worse roster than this year’s team by 3. This year’s team has a FAR better overall defense and vastly improved secondary. The offense is also better with the best RB in the game.
Philly is better in the trenches on both sides of the ball and that is huge. Jalen Hurts has been taking care of the ball much better lately, and will have 2 weeks to get healthy. Philly is also really out for revenge after some questionable calls contributed to the loss last time out. Philly now knows what to expect in this game and against this team that they know they can beat. Almost everyone is going to expect KC to get their 3 peat. The story is going to be pounded into their heads, especially after KC disposed of Buffalo. Don’t underestimate how much this will energize the Eagles. KC still has issues on the O line that the Eagles can exploit in a way the Bills couldn’t.


The only things giving me pause are 1. The coaching mismatch. As I’ve stated before, Sirianni is a fucking idiot. The team is winning DESPITE him, not because of him. However, we now have coordinators who can make up for some of his idiocy.
2. The Eagles injuries at Center are concerning with both our starting center and backup both with injuries. Hopefully the 2 week layoff can help them heal up.
3. The continued shady ass referees. With game so visible, hopefully they won’t be a major factor, but you never know.


At the end of the day, I’ll be on the Eagles. Not just because I’m a fan, but because I believe they are the better team. But I am going to wait until closer to game time to try and get a better line.
Score prediction? Let’s go with 26-22 Eagles.

Spot on much of this. Eagles were on their way to blowing the Chiefs out before that 14 point swing before half with the bad snap house call. Game was basically over if Eagles went in.

Mahomes was hurt, though. That’s the big difference. But Eagles are a better team this year with a vastly better defense. Their CBs are the best in the league by a wide margin. Mitchell in a redraft could go #2. That’s how good he is.

But Mahomes was hobbling around. So hard to gauge how much closer the game would have been (throw out the fluke 14 swing) had he been healthy. I was on the Chiefs for a used car and I never felt so lucky to win a bet.

Undecided right now which way to go. Are the Eagles 10 better? That’s how you have to cap it.
 
Chiefs have played only a few above average defenses. Not looking at their numbers but I’m guessing they didn’t light up Houston, LAC, or Denver in either of those 6 games. Going off the top of my head, though. I could be wrong.

Did Fangio ever play Mahomes in Miami besides that ice bowl?
 
Action Network showing 79% of wagers so far have been on Philly +1.5 since open fwiw. No data on ML wagers to this point.

Think their direct affiliations are with b365 and Draftkings but not positive, MGM might be involved in there as well.

I had my suspicions just hearing all the redic nfl cheats for kc narratives seems to be pushing ppl to eagles, cause of course if you think nfl cheating for kc the natural response is to bet against them?!?!? This truly baffles me! Some of us wait our whole lives to get wind of a college kid shaving points, an nba ref making sure team x wins, a doped up horse at the race track! Never thought it be a nfl conspiracy even tho they have set the rules up where refs have ability to impact outcomes pretty easily I don’t think it worth the risk to the brand to try and help kc, don’t make sense but whatever, let’s run with it and say these guys found out the big secret. If you had the inside scoop on one these fixes would you go on gambling boards crying bout it or sit back quietly and get rich?? I know the answer for myself!!
 
Spot on much of this. Eagles were on their way to blowing the Chiefs out before that 14 point swing before half with the bad snap house call. Game was basically over if Eagles went in.

Mahomes was hurt, though. That’s the big difference. But Eagles are a better team this year with a vastly better defense. Their CBs are the best in the league by a wide margin. Mitchell in a redraft could go #2. That’s how good he is.

But Mahomes was hobbling around. So hard to gauge how much closer the game would have been (throw out the fluke 14 swing) had he been healthy. I was on the Chiefs for a used car and I never felt so lucky to win a bet.

Undecided right now which way to go. Are the Eagles 10 better? That’s how you have to cap it.

The eagles have gotten more impactful calls to help tbem
These playoffs than any team. But if you really think kc is gaining a 10 point edge from refs and can’t decide who to bet you really have gone off the deep end buddy., have you recently dropped acid or X? And a lot of it?
 
The eagles have gotten more impactful calls to help tbem
These playoffs than any team. But if you really think kc is gaining a 10 point edge from refs and can’t decide who to bet you really have gone off the deep end buddy., have you recently dropped acid or X? And a lot of it?

Eagles have gotten more calls from the refs than any team? What calls? Post a video.
 
Respect your opinion more than a lot of fans but I feel like few the statements are more than a little shaded thru fan eyes. I have to go back and look at kc roster for the last meeting cause this kc team (when actually healthy which they are more so now than all season minus rice), this kc version is way better than last years team and think that’s undeniable, again i have to look back to the Philly SB and see their roster for that season as my memory not that great, lol. I’ll just sign off w you Philly roster better even tho not having Kelce the center who replaced him been fantastic but as you referenced both are banged up so im not sure the oline is better? Fair to say Barkley more than balances that out tho, still think eagles have to have the starting center and at close to 100% or i really don’t think they have much chance, commanders d was awful and they still had some success causing problems in A gap, spags attacking that spot against a injured starter or backup I think totally eliminates the los adbatege you feel they have so think waiting to make sure the center is in fact healthy important. He might feel fine now but a back injury can get tweaked getting out of bed let alone in practice!

According to our resident Niners fan we writing revisionist history and now claiming those chokers blowing 10 point 4th qrtr leads were 2 more games refs apparently cheated fir kc, so if you part this redic narrative kc getting special treatment than you better not expect it to change for the SB. However if we honest bout these playoffs Philly has gotten at the very least just as much help from refs to get here as kc did. Surely you agree the packers opening kick return was absolutely shown to be a clear packers recovery on replay? The 3 calls I could point out exactly what times each happened unless you know the ones I speak of in commanders game, I think each one came after one those most untimely fumbles possible, I believe commanders d had actually forced would be 4th downs on each those subsequent drives only for a questionable at best flag extended the drive and basically handed eagles tds. I’d just like a little bit of fairness from everyone convinced that mahomes 17-3 playoff record was thanks to refs!! Then again you seem to be playing the same card as Niners fans, bills fans, and all the kc haters and blaming refs for the 1st loss. In that case why do we think Kc won’t get the calls again?

I don’t think you in minority at all, the more Kc hate/fatigue and more this silly narrative nfl cheats for them gets pushed I think the more support Philly gaining, at worst I think the betting gonna end up pretty evenly split here. Really wish ppl would just say they betting eagles with the argument on paper I agree their roster is very stacked. I think ppl are selling kc roster short since they only played together the last month or so but that one the reasons I like Kc, of course I hope all the nonsense true bout Kc getting more bogus . calls than every other team, I personally think it a lazy and worse yet a ignorant narrative formed from jealously of other fan basis but hey, I hope I’m the naive one and the fix is once again in for the best player and coach on the planet!! I’ll never understand all the ppl kicking and screaming after every game kc games are fixed yet are gonna bet Philly. If you really believed this non sense narrative and deep down didn’t know Philly has gotten just as many shady calls to get here i believe you smart enough you would bet the team the nfl has apparently been helping win all these games!! Why wouldn’t you? Do we seriously believe Philly so good they can win despite the fix?


Also agree it be close, I lean to a slightly higher score cause I don’t think Philly d has a chance to stop a kc offense that has for 1st time all year been playing and practicing together and has shown their true potential while looking more dangerous every week. But again if it a one score game I’m getting the best coach and qb of this generation by a mile against a suspect coach and an average qb and it super cheap. If it a one score game in last 5 minutes I’ll be so happy cause everything I bet on kc -120 or so be insane value cause at that point live they will be no less than -250!!! Imo eagles will have to be so superior that they put this game away before the 4th like they did be commanders cause they not winning a one score game vs a team who basically a clone of the pats and don’t lose close games late, period.

As I said respect your opinion as much as any fan, while at least a tie with @Capaholic and @Lexington 125. So certainly willing to see your side of things long as we can hold off or admit Philly got just as many questionable calls on their trip thru playoffs. If you need vid on the 4 plays im talking bout feel free to ask and I guess I’ll do like the nut jobs pushing kc bogus narrative and fast forward thru Game film to find the obvious calls that helped Philly; may have won them packers game since both teams were terrible!! You can admit packers made a clear and obvious recovery on the fumble right? If we can agree on that maybe there hope we can discuss game without the tin foil hats!! I’d like that.
As far as rosters, I believe their secondary is worse this year. I also believe their O line is worse as well. For whatever reason, Buffalo wasn’t able to take advantage but we saw what Houston did. Philly has as good of a pass rush and a way better secondary than Houston. We saw what happened when Tampa was able to get consistent pressure on Mahomes in that Superbowl. I’m banking on Fangio being able to do something similar.
I don’t necessarily believe every about KC getting MORE calls from the refs, but time and time again I have seen them get calls at KEY times in the game.

Like I said though. The center issue for Philly is my biggest concern. I’m really hoping the 2 weeks off helps them heal. That could end up being the deciding factor. I haven’t bet the game yet because I want to get the best line possible and if I can buy it up to 3, I’ll pounce
 
I know I’m one of the few, but I will be on the Eagles in this Superbowl for a number of reasons.

These teams played in this game a couple years ago. KC with a better roster back then compared to this year, and only best an Eagles team with a worse roster than this year’s team by 3. This year’s team has a FAR better overall defense and vastly improved secondary. The offense is also better with the best RB in the game.
Philly is better in the trenches on both sides of the ball and that is huge. Jalen Hurts has been taking care of the ball much better lately, and will have 2 weeks to get healthy. Philly is also really out for revenge after some questionable calls contributed to the loss last time out. Philly now knows what to expect in this game and against this team that they know they can beat. Almost everyone is going to expect KC to get their 3 peat. The story is going to be pounded into their heads, especially after KC disposed of Buffalo. Don’t underestimate how much this will energize the Eagles. KC still has issues on the O line that the Eagles can exploit in a way the Bills couldn’t.


The only things giving me pause are 1. The coaching mismatch. As I’ve stated before, Sirianni is a fucking idiot. The team is winning DESPITE him, not because of him. However, we now have coordinators who can make up for some of his idiocy.
2. The Eagles injuries at Center are concerning with both our starting center and backup both with injuries. Hopefully the 2 week layoff can help them heal up.
3. The continued shady ass referees. With game so visible, hopefully they won’t be a major factor, but you never know.


At the end of the day, I’ll be on the Eagles. Not just because I’m a fan, but because I believe they are the better team. But I am going to wait until closer to game time to try and get a better line.
Score prediction? Let’s go with 26-22 Eagles.
I'm not a fan of either team and my score is close to yours. 25-20 Philly
 
I had my suspicions just hearing all the redic nfl cheats for kc narratives seems to be pushing ppl to eagles, cause of course if you think nfl cheating for kc the natural response is to bet against them?!?!? This truly baffles me! Some of us wait our whole lives to get wind of a college kid shaving points, an nba ref making sure team x wins, a doped up horse at the race track! Never thought it be a nfl conspiracy even tho they have set the rules up where refs have ability to impact outcomes pretty easily I don’t think it worth the risk to the brand to try and help kc, don’t make sense but whatever, let’s run with it and say these guys found out the big secret. If you had the inside scoop on one these fixes would you go on gambling boards crying bout it or sit back quietly and get rich?? I know the answer for myself!!
I’ve seen some stats that SEEM to indicate that the KC receiving more calls is bogus, but I don’t know the true stats. What I DO know is that, in the games i have watched, they DO seem to receive the benefit of the doubt in KEY SITUATIONS IN BIG GAMES. There’s just been too many instances of it for me to ignore. But maybe they’ve EARNED that similar to how people felt about the Jordan Bulls teams in the 90s? Not saying it’s right or wrong, but I can’t ignore what my eyes are telling me
 
Can make all kinds of what ifs regarding the teams but since '86 when the Bears beat the Pats the Superdome has held 5 Super Bowls and the only one stayed under 56 points was the Rams/Pats Brady breakout. Last one was Ravens over Niners when the lights went out.

Bunch of speed on both teams, I'm opposite you guys on under, I think the number should be at least 51.5 and I'd still be on the over.

One point about these 1.5-2 point spreads. Understanding the OT rules is imperative. If both teams are scoring at will (this easily could have come in play in KC on Sunday) remember that even if a team scores a TD, the other team gets a chance to score a TD. Then it becomes sudden death which gives the edge massively in favor of the team that has the ball first since they'd only have to go 30-35 yds to get into FG range. It was brought up on VSiN that it makes sense for the team that scores 2nd to go for 2 as opposed to tie it up and give the other team an instant shot at getting into FG range. Thus, the possibility of a 1 point game if it goes to OT is very much in play. Again, that applies if you think both teams could score pretty easily in OT, and that might be the case with these two if it gets there.
 
I’ve seen some stats that SEEM to indicate that the KC receiving more calls is bogus, but I don’t know the true stats. What I DO know is that, in the games i have watched, they DO seem to receive the benefit of the doubt in KEY SITUATIONS IN BIG GAMES. There’s just been too many instances of it for me to ignore. But maybe they’ve EARNED that similar to how people felt about the Jordan Bulls teams in the 90s? Not saying it’s right or wrong, but I can’t ignore what my eyes are telling me

I won’t deny at all mahomes gets some redic calls or guys don’t hit him and he steals a big play. He has become a Jedi master at manipulating rules I screamed bout when they started putting them in this would happen! That a far cry from a conspiracy to help kc win! Every great player in every sport has pushed the envelope to gain any edge he can, it part of what makes them great!! Allen is out there all year pointing out his own flags every time he throws to a guy who covered!! And I’ve seen him get plenty late calls as if he threw flag himself, where all the clips of that cause it happens a ton!! Brady deflated freaking footballs not to mention how many plays did pats pull out their asses over the years taking advantage of some rule nobody including the refs even knew? It one the things that separates great from 1st ballot HoF’er!!
 
Can make all kinds of what ifs regarding the teams but since '86 when the Bears beat the Pats the Superdome has held 5 Super Bowls and the only one stayed under 56 points was the Rams/Pats Brady breakout. Last one was Ravens over Niners when the lights went out.

Bunch of speed on both teams, I'm opposite you guys on under, I think the number should be at least 51.5 and I'd still be on the over.

One point about these 1.5-2 point spreads. Understanding the OT rules is imperative. If both teams are scoring at will (this easily could have come in play in KC on Sunday) remember that even if a team scores a TD, the other team gets a chance to score a TD. Then it becomes sudden death which gives the edge massively in favor of the team that has the ball first since they'd only have to go 30-35 yds to get into FG range. It was brought up on VSiN that it makes sense for the team that scores 2nd to go for 2 as opposed to tie it up and give the other team an instant shot at getting into FG range. Thus, the possibility of a 1 point game if it goes to OT is very much in play. Again, that applies if you think both teams could score pretty easily in OT, and that might be the case with these two if it gets there.
Did OT rules change?
 
Can make all kinds of what ifs regarding the teams but since '86 when the Bears beat the Pats the Superdome has held 5 Super Bowls and the only one stayed under 56 points was the Rams/Pats Brady breakout. Last one was Ravens over Niners when the lights went out.

Bunch of speed on both teams, I'm opposite you guys on under, I think the number should be at least 51.5 and I'd still be on the over.

One point about these 1.5-2 point spreads. Understanding the OT rules is imperative. If both teams are scoring at will (this easily could have come in play in KC on Sunday) remember that even if a team scores a TD, the other team gets a chance to score a TD. Then it becomes sudden death which gives the edge massively in favor of the team that has the ball first since they'd only have to go 30-35 yds to get into FG range. It was brought up on VSiN that it makes sense for the team that scores 2nd to go for 2 as opposed to tie it up and give the other team an instant shot at getting into FG range. Thus, the possibility of a 1 point game if it goes to OT is very much in play. Again, that applies if you think both teams could score pretty easily in OT, and that might be the case with these two if it gets there.

I agree it over or nothing for me, I think philly d and fangio getting way to much respect, Andy has the healthy fresh weapons to take this d apart w Patty, 2 weeks to look at where to attack also? Kc team total a must but I’m with you 51.5 woulda been much stronger number and I still woulda been over or nothing. Unless eagles center re-tweaks his back or is as limited as last game, then I’d prob leave alone cause I’m pretty convinced spags would be a nightmare for them if he could attack A gap, thought a few times commanders shit d even caused problems and after Barkley redic 60 yarder they held him to 14 for 58 rest the way. That the best pulling center in league imo, I’m sure he also handles the line calls, in other words he a huge deal. Assuming he healthy I’ll be on over w you.,

Agree with your 2nd point as well. Said it for bills game i would have taken 3 but was scared to lay -2 w kc. The ml is plenty low and dropping, im gonna be all over Kc -120 or be awesome if less I’ll be going to casino this weekend lomg as Theresa doing well here at home, she just finally came home last night and actually stayed on sectional and we slept there all night, it was nice, at moment she seems to be doing much better (just thought ya should know). Anyways hopefully line don’t move kc way before then but I’ve talked to so many ppl around here and this usually kc heavy crowd and they all told me they betting philly, well most, think I changed someone mind this morning! Lol. That cool he actually the type that will thank me after maybe buy me drink while we cashing our kc tickets!! Anyways def wouldn’t shock me if the 1.5/2 point spread came into play. I would never make a big bet (for me anyways) and let myself get beat by the tiny spread!! I learned that lesson long ago and it was a painful one I never let happen again!!!! lol
 
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