Cup Futures discussion

[Santacapper]

From The Greek

<TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1001</TD><TD width=300>Anaheim Mighty Ducks </TD><TD width=65>+725 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1002</TD><TD width=300>San Jose Sharks </TD><TD width=65>+1015 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1003</TD><TD width=300>Detroit Red Wings </TD><TD width=65>+815 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1004</TD><TD width=300>Nashville Predators </TD><TD width=65>+1845 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1005</TD><TD width=300>Vancouver Canucks </TD><TD width=65>+1615 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1006</TD><TD width=300>Dallas Stars </TD><TD width=65>+2050 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1007</TD><TD width=300>Calgary Flames </TD><TD width=65>+2050 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1008</TD><TD width=300>Buffalo Sabres </TD><TD width=65>+1415 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1009</TD><TD width=300>Ottawa Senators </TD><TD width=65>+885 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1010</TD><TD width=300>Pittsburgh Penguins </TD><TD width=65>+1215 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1011</TD><TD width=300>New Jersey Devils </TD><TD width=65>+2045 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1012</TD><TD width=300>Atlanta Thrashers </TD><TD width=65>+2250 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1013</TD><TD width=300>New York Rangers </TD><TD width=65>+1215 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1014</TD><TD width=300>Toronto Maple Leafs </TD><TD width=65>+3050 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1015</TD><TD width=300>Carolina Hurricanes </TD><TD width=65>+3050 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1016</TD><TD width=300>New York Islanders </TD><TD width=65>+4050 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1017</TD><TD width=300>Florida Panthers </TD><TD width=65>+4550 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1018</TD><TD width=300>Colorado Avalanche </TD><TD width=65>+1815 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1019</TD><TD width=300>Edmonton Oilers </TD><TD width=65>+5250 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1020</TD><TD width=300>Montreal Canadiens </TD><TD width=65>+2850 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1021</TD><TD width=300>Philadelphia Flyers </TD><TD width=65>+2550 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1022</TD><TD width=300>Chicago Blackhawks </TD><TD width=65>+10550 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1023</TD><TD width=300>Los Angeles Kings </TD><TD width=65>+8050 </TD><TD width=200></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=55>1024</TD><TD width=300>Boston Bruins </TD><TD width=65>+8050 </TD><TD width=200>

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From 5Dimes

<TABLE border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>Anaheim Mighty Ducks </TD><TD>+700 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Ottawa Senators </TD><TD>+800 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Detroit Red Wings </TD><TD>+1000 </TD></TR><TR><TD>San Jose Sharks </TD><TD>+1300 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Pittsburgh Penguins </TD><TD>+1550 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Buffalo Sabres </TD><TD>+1600 </TD></TR><TR><TD>NY Rangers </TD><TD>+1700 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Vancouver Canucks </TD><TD>+1700 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Calgary Flames </TD><TD>+2200 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Colorado Avalanche </TD><TD>+2200 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Philadelphia Flyers </TD><TD>+2300 </TD></TR><TR><TD>New Jersey Devils </TD><TD>+2400 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Nashville Predators </TD><TD>+2700 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Dallas Stars </TD><TD>+2800 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Minnesota Wild </TD><TD>+2800 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Carolina Hurricanes </TD><TD>+3000 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Tampa Bay Lightning </TD><TD>+3200 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Atlanta Thrashers </TD><TD>+3300 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Toronto Maple Leafs </TD><TD>+3300 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Montreal Canadians </TD><TD>+3800 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Florida Panthers </TD><TD>+5000 </TD></TR><TR><TD>NY Islanders </TD><TD>+6600 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Boston Bruins </TD><TD>+7500 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Edmonton Oilers </TD><TD>+7500 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Los Angeles Kings </TD><TD>+7500 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Washington Capitals </TD><TD>+7500 </TD></TR><TR><TD>St.Louis Blues </TD><TD>+8000 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Columbus Blue Jackets </TD><TD>+12500 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Phoenix Coyotes </TD><TD>+14000 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Chicago Blackhawks </TD><TD>+15000 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[Santacapper]

Haven't finished up the preseason stuff, but of course keeping my ears to the ground...

Initially, I will probably buy into the Flames, Sharks and Canucks...

Rangers have the firepower, but I dont think they go too deep in the cup run personally. OF course time will tell, but right now I dont think Lundqvist is their guy

 

[Santacapper]

Sorry Joe, but at that price, I personally don't see much in the way of any value for the Pens... nice to see from a fans standpoint being up there... but what have they done other than losing first round last year?

 

[B.A.R.]

Why is Detroit rated so highly?

I mean..top 6-8 prices but fuckin 3rd best bet...hmmmm

 

[Santacapper]

Why is Detroit rated so highly?

I mean..top 6-8 prices but fuckin 3rd best bet...hmmmm

IMO divisional price... most got worst if anything... Wings staying par for the course right now...

wouldnt touch it with my worst enemies stick, but finishing top 3 in the west is big..

 

[Joe Public]

Sorry Joe, but at that price, I personally don't see much in the way of any value for the Pens... nice to see from a fans standpoint being up there... but what have they done other than losing first round last year?

I like how you preemptively posted this. And they said preemptive war wouldn't change hearts and minds. Pthpt. It sure as hell did, for instance you knew I was on my way to say something like . . .

+1550?! Let's do this.

=)

 

[Joe Public]

(ahem, technically, from a bettor's standpoint, I agree with you, there's no value in that number. I wouldn't take anything less than +2000.)

(Resume unbridled optimism.)

Whoooooohhooooooo Let's Go Pens.

 

[Santacapper]

the Leafs at 3300 or so... thats another story

 

[Toronto_Mike]

The Greek forgot The Blues! lol

 

[Toronto_Mike]

Senators??? ummm, just have this feeling they will have a meltdown.

 

[Joe Public]

Senators??? ummm, just have this feeling they will have a meltdown.

I tend to agree, but didn't they sign some heart in the offseason?

 

[Santacapper]

some front office stuff with Redden vetoing a summer trade to dump some salary

other than that the Sens pretty much did nothng in the offseason besides losing Comrie

 

[Toronto_Mike]

Emery has played for his contract and now can take it easy.

 

[Joe Public]

What did they do for a coach, they bumped Murray into the front office, right?

I mean, like the Sens, but I'm with TM on this one. I thought they signed somebody else, I'm not crazy about them this year.

 

[charvik]

I like the Canucks and Flames at those prices, and might even consider the Avs. Avs should be around 2100 IMHO though...

Edited: I see 5dimes has 2200, that's more like it.

 

[Santacapper]

Sens movement

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=627 bgColor=#fbf4ea border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=paragraph vAlign=top align=left width=100></TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=500 border=0><TBODY><TR>Ottawa Senators <TD vAlign=top align=left>Unrestricted Free Agents: D Jamie Allison, C Serge Payer.

Re-Signings: LW Dean McAmmond (2-year contract), D Lawrence Nycholat (multi-year contract), F Ray Emery (3-year, $9.5 million contract), D Christoph Schubert (3-year, $2.65 million contract), F Chris Kelly (1-year, $1.2625 million contract).

Notable Additions: F Niko Dimitrakos (Flyers, 1-year contract).

Notable Subtractions: C Mike Comrie (Islanders), D Tom Preissing (Kings).

Off-Season Game Plan: A trip to the Stanley Cup final exorcised a lot of the playoff ghosts in the Ottawa Senators past, but the team isn't resting on its laurels and that could mean a busy summer. More...
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[Santacapper]

Eastern Conference

Western Conference

 

[Santacapper]

Here's my thinking with the Flames as a baseline... they were the worst road team in the league, or one of etc. But they have a talented team... sure Keenan is behind the helm but if he brings anything to a team its a level of toughness and being accountable for actions. Thats what the Flames needed. Hell they got hounded @ a media day to release their new jerseys with questions about their road game. With a goalie in the net who has been there before, there is good price on them to win it all IMO>

 

[Santacapper]

What did they do for a coach, they bumped Murray into the front office, right?

I mean, like the Sens, but I'm with TM on this one. I thought they signed somebody else, I'm not crazy about them this year.

Murray moved up to GM and asst. coach John Paddock got the promotion.

It is a big year for the Sens as the window is closing with SPezza and Healtey both playing for contracts

 

[Toronto_Mike]

interesting to see what Niedermeyer is thinking. Ducks price is too short for a back to back.

 

[Toronto_Mike]

Here's my thinking with the Flames as a baseline... they were the worst road team in the league, or one of etc. But they have a talented team... sure Keenan is behind the helm but if he brings anything to a team its a level of toughness and being accountable for actions. Thats what the Flames needed. Hell they got hounded @ a media day to release their new jerseys with questions about their road game. With a goalie in the net who has been there before, there is good price on them to win it all IMO>

ok either i'm not understanding your basis or was this a typo?

 

[Santacapper]

ok either i'm not understanding your basis or was this a typo?

fixed it up... early Wednesday morning:down2:

 

[Santacapper]

Niedermayer is 'suspended' from the Ducks... not much of a surprise as it keeps him on the roster with no pay as my understanding goes

 

[Santacapper]

One or 2 real long shots / longer shots I'd look at are are the Oilers and Hurricanes...

 

[buffalo_bill]

i threw $25 down on the flyers at +8000 right after they signed briere and made that trade with nashville..hope they can sign forsberg

 

[catfood]

One or 2 real long shots / longer shots I'd look at are are the Oilers and Hurricanes...

Totally agree with the Carolina Hurricanes. I think theyll make a run for it.

 

[Santacapper]

UPdated lines from Pinnacle

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</TD></TR><TR class=Column_Headers_Odds id=ctl00_MCPH_CL_ignore_2><TD style="WIDTH: 25%">Wed 10/3</TD><TD colSpan=2>Odds To Win 2008 Stanley Cup</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD>04:00 PM</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 53%">101 Anaheim Ducks</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 22%">+729</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>102 San Jose Sharks</TD><TD>+1248</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>103 Detroit Red Wings</TD><TD>+839</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>104 Buffalo Sabres</TD><TD>+1744</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>105 Ottawa Senators</TD><TD>+839</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>106 Nashville Predators</TD><TD>+2020</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>107 Pittsburgh Penguins</TD><TD>+1511</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>108 New York Rangers</TD><TD>+1511</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>109 Vancouver Canucks</TD><TD>+1744</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>110 Dallas Stars</TD><TD>+3131</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>111 Calgary Flames</TD><TD>+2226</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>112 Colorado Avalanche</TD><TD>+2226</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>113 New Jersey Devils</TD><TD>+2727</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>114 Minnesota Wild</TD><TD>+2727</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>115 Atlanta Thrashers</TD><TD>+3636</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>116 Toronto Maple Leafs</TD><TD>+3131</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>117 Carloina Hurricanes</TD><TD>+3131</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>118 New York Islanders</TD><TD>+5121</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>119 Montreal Canadiens</TD><TD>+5121</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>120 Philadelphia Flyers</TD><TD>+4212</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>121 Tampa Bay Lightning</TD><TD>+3131</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>122 Washington Capitals</TD><TD>+7117</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>123 Edmonton Oilers</TD><TD>+7117</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>124 Florida Panthers</TD><TD>+5050</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>125 St Louis Blues</TD><TD>+8080</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>126 Chicago Blackhawks</TD><TD>+8080</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>127 Los Angeles Kings</TD><TD>+7070</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>128 Boston Bruins</TD><TD>+8080</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>129 Columbus Blue Jackets</TD><TD>+10202</TD></TR><TR class=AlternatingData1><TD> </TD><TD>130 Phoenix Coyotes</TD><TD>+10202</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[Santacapper]

I decided in the end to play San Jose, Minnesota, Carolina, Calgary

small of course, but think money to be made off them if the season plays out right:cheers:

 

[B.A.R.]

IMO divisional price... most got worst if anything... Wings staying par for the course right now...

wouldnt touch it with my worst enemies stick, but finishing top 3 in the west is big..

makes sense

 

[Santacapper]

lots of 'ifs' with the Wings, mostly revolving around Hasek