CTG TRIPLE CROWN HORSE RACING CONTEST--FREE!!—PRIZES!!
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CPA-hole
Good night, Duke, and sweet dreams!
Wait til the SA Derby. Lol. $3.60 $2.20
$2.20
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
You don't think Yakteen is paying him like an agent? He definitely is
Lots of people would have paid good money to get Baffert's horses for this run the next couple years. No doubt it went to the highest bidder.
RBTrojan
A Child of Aliens
I doubt he needs the 10%. The defamatory nature of this hurts much more, not just his accomplishments but also his future achievements. If Medina Spirit indeed got the steroid from an ointment to treat a rash, then I don’t think the punishment fits. East Coast just doesn’t want to think a quarter horse trainer can kick their ass year in and year out, it doesn’t matter which horse it is.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Of course he is, I never entertained the idea that he wouldn't be.
You aren't wealthy and the best in the business without being smart enough to find loopholes in virtually everything. You wouldn't be rich or smart if you couldn't.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
I do agree that for some obnoxious reason East Coast people have wanted to turn horse racing into this generation's Puff v Tupac, who cares? People getting killed all over the place and that's the concern, coast v coast regarding horses? We suck.
RBTrojan
A Child of Aliens
I’m sure he is involved, but will these owners keep going to him in the future? Only time will tell…
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Just a hunch but he won't lose any business
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Also let's be real, most people who own horses took a couple shortcuts here and there. They want to win.
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
Today's Best
Bench Coach $23.60 (2 winners)
jpfeck $21.60 (2 winners and a place)
SIGO $16.20 (1 winner and two place)
OVERALL STANDINGS
Bench Coach $56.20
Gandolf $49.40
KJ $35.40
jpfeck $26.60
aplous $26.00
SIGO $23.60
jimbo1311 $22.60
oakas $19.40
RetroVK $15.20
madshooter $13.40
Colin Wynner $12.20
slaptron $9.60
CPA-hole $9.40
chipnotized $7.40
Play2win $7.40
$0 - Augie, Vap's Back, The Farm
In four weeks we'll be back with the KENTUCKY DERBY, where things get kicked up a notch. We should see a full field of 20 to choose from, so payout prices are bound to be higher, and the wager amount DOUBLES to a $4 win/place bet. More options, higher prices, and a larger base bet means nobody is out of it!! See you in May!
Bench Coach $23.60 (2 winners)
jpfeck $21.60 (2 winners and a place)
SIGO $16.20 (1 winner and two place)
OVERALL STANDINGS
Bench Coach $56.20
Gandolf $49.40
KJ $35.40
jpfeck $26.60
aplous $26.00
SIGO $23.60
jimbo1311 $22.60
oakas $19.40
RetroVK $15.20
madshooter $13.40
Colin Wynner $12.20
slaptron $9.60
CPA-hole $9.40
chipnotized $7.40
Play2win $7.40
$0 - Augie, Vap's Back, The Farm
In four weeks we'll be back with the KENTUCKY DERBY, where things get kicked up a notch. We should see a full field of 20 to choose from, so payout prices are bound to be higher, and the wager amount DOUBLES to a $4 win/place bet. More options, higher prices, and a larger base bet means nobody is out of it!! See you in May!
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Gotcha.
Confused then that after the race they said the owners have a decision to make. What decision assuming that's the only reason they ran the horse two weeks later?
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
At least I don't feel clueless now, seriously no clue what they could be referring to
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Typical West Coast not figuring out how to get away with anything
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Manny Franco rode him in the Jeff Ruby and Rosario before that for a race, looks like he's not latched to one jock
RBTrojan
A Child of Aliens
How long has he been juicing Marsski?
Marsski
MAC Marvel
Busted at the Ky Derby with Medina Spirit. Busted at the Ark. Derby with Gamine and Charlatan. Justify was busted in 2018. Five medication violations since May 2020. 31 career violations. 75 dead horses since 2000. You want me to keep going?
How many times can the dog eat your homework? He's the Lance Armstrong of horse racing.
RBTrojan
A Child of Aliens
I think it’s fair to say the entire industry has a drug issue. Same day Lasix usage was a big step in the right direction. The need for a national set of rules on medications is needed. I think it’s safe to say almost every trainer has medicine violations. Calling him Lance Armstrong of horse racing is a bit harsh. For what it’s worth, Gamine and Charlatan dq’s were overturned in Arkansas.
I hope the sport can continue to make improvements in their policies and can nationalize the rules so it’s more black and white for everyone involved.
I hope the sport can continue to make improvements in their policies and can nationalize the rules so it’s more black and white for everyone involved.
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
CURRENT DERBY STANDINGS (TOP 20 MAKE THE GATE)
1. Epicenter (Not This Time) 164 (Asmussen/Rosario)
2. Zandon (Upstart) 114 (C. Brown/Prat)
3. White Abarrio (Race Day) 112 (Joseph/Gallalione)
4. Mo Donegal (Uncle Mo) 112 (Pletcher/I. Ortiz)
5. Tiz the Bomb (Hit It a Bomb) 110 (McPeek/B. Hernandez)
6. Cyberknife (Gun Runner) 100 (Cox/Geroux)
7. Crown Pride-JPN (Reach the Crown) 100 (Shintani/Lemaire)
8. Taiba (Gun Runner) 100 (Yakteen/Smith)
9. Simplification (Not This Time) 74 (Sano/J. Ortiz)
10. Smile Happy (Runhappy) 70 (McPeek/Lanerie)
11. Tawny Port (Pioneerof The Nile) 60 (Cox/TBA)
12. Barber Road (Race Day) 58 (J. Ortiz/R. Gutierrez)
13. Un Ojo (Laoban) 54 (Courville/R. Vasquez)
14. Early Voting (Gun Runner) 50 (C. Brown/TBA)
15. Morello (Classic Empire) 50 (Asmussen/Lezcano)
16. Messier (Empire Maker) 40 (Yakteen/J. Velazquez)
17. Zozos (Munnings) 40 (Cox/TBA)
18. Summer Is Tomorrow (Summer Front) 40 (Seemar/Barzalona)
19. Charge It (Tapit) 40 (Pletcher/Saez)
20. Happy Jack (Oxbow) 30 (O'Neill/Bejarano)
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21. Pioneer of Medina 25 (Pletcher)
22. In Due Time 24 (Breen)
23. Ethereal Road 22 (Lukas)
24. Rich Strike 21 (Reed)
25. Skippylongstocking 20 (Joseph)
26. Major General 18 (Pletcher)
27. Dash Attack 10 (McPeek)
28. Call Me Midnight 10 (Desormeaux)
I'm looking around for early PPs, haven't seen them yet. Should be available next week without post positions. Post positions get drawn on 5/2 with morning line odds to follow.
1. Epicenter (Not This Time) 164 (Asmussen/Rosario)
2. Zandon (Upstart) 114 (C. Brown/Prat)
3. White Abarrio (Race Day) 112 (Joseph/Gallalione)
4. Mo Donegal (Uncle Mo) 112 (Pletcher/I. Ortiz)
5. Tiz the Bomb (Hit It a Bomb) 110 (McPeek/B. Hernandez)
6. Cyberknife (Gun Runner) 100 (Cox/Geroux)
7. Crown Pride-JPN (Reach the Crown) 100 (Shintani/Lemaire)
8. Taiba (Gun Runner) 100 (Yakteen/Smith)
9. Simplification (Not This Time) 74 (Sano/J. Ortiz)
10. Smile Happy (Runhappy) 70 (McPeek/Lanerie)
11. Tawny Port (Pioneerof The Nile) 60 (Cox/TBA)
12. Barber Road (Race Day) 58 (J. Ortiz/R. Gutierrez)
13. Un Ojo (Laoban) 54 (Courville/R. Vasquez)
14. Early Voting (Gun Runner) 50 (C. Brown/TBA)
15. Morello (Classic Empire) 50 (Asmussen/Lezcano)
16. Messier (Empire Maker) 40 (Yakteen/J. Velazquez)
17. Zozos (Munnings) 40 (Cox/TBA)
18. Summer Is Tomorrow (Summer Front) 40 (Seemar/Barzalona)
19. Charge It (Tapit) 40 (Pletcher/Saez)
20. Happy Jack (Oxbow) 30 (O'Neill/Bejarano)
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21. Pioneer of Medina 25 (Pletcher)
22. In Due Time 24 (Breen)
23. Ethereal Road 22 (Lukas)
24. Rich Strike 21 (Reed)
25. Skippylongstocking 20 (Joseph)
26. Major General 18 (Pletcher)
27. Dash Attack 10 (McPeek)
28. Call Me Midnight 10 (Desormeaux)
I'm looking around for early PPs, haven't seen them yet. Should be available next week without post positions. Post positions get drawn on 5/2 with morning line odds to follow.
CPA-hole
Good night, Duke, and sweet dreams!
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
Nice find! Here it is.
King Slap
CTG Honorary Super Moderator
@Gandolf if you could walk me through horse betting just so I can get a little more acclimated I'd appreciate it. PM me and I'll give you my #. I don't know how you find these sites
Love horses and hanging out at the horsebook more than anything I just don't really know much and pretty much pick win/place/show on a horse. I read a lot of GameHunters Twitter posts but he doesn't give much detail
Understandable if you don't want to reach out and blow your time, just figured I'd ask so I can get better at it
Love horses and hanging out at the horsebook more than anything I just don't really know much and pretty much pick win/place/show on a horse. I read a lot of GameHunters Twitter posts but he doesn't give much detail
Understandable if you don't want to reach out and blow your time, just figured I'd ask so I can get better at it
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
The current top 20 sorted by running style and speed points:
Early/Front Runners (E)
Early Voting E8
Summer is Tomorrow (UAE winner)
Stalkers (EP)
Messier EP8
Epicenter EP7
White Abarrio EP6
Taiba EP6
Zozos EP6
Charge It EP6
Morello EP5
Cyberknife EP4
Simplification EP4
Un Ojo EP3
Pressers/Mid Pack (P)
Smile Happy P4
Tawny Port P2
Tiz the Bomb P2
Crown Pride (UAE winner)
Sustainers/Closers (S)
Zandon S3
Mo Donegal S2
Barber Road S2
Happy Jack S2
Looks like Early Voting, if he stays in, has a great chance to lead into the first turn
Early/Front Runners (E)
Early Voting E8
Summer is Tomorrow (UAE winner)
Stalkers (EP)
Messier EP8
Epicenter EP7
White Abarrio EP6
Taiba EP6
Zozos EP6
Charge It EP6
Morello EP5
Cyberknife EP4
Simplification EP4
Un Ojo EP3
Pressers/Mid Pack (P)
Smile Happy P4
Tawny Port P2
Tiz the Bomb P2
Crown Pride (UAE winner)
Sustainers/Closers (S)
Zandon S3
Mo Donegal S2
Barber Road S2
Happy Jack S2
Looks like Early Voting, if he stays in, has a great chance to lead into the first turn
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Kinda sucks, bust Derbys I remember involve watching the overhead trips the winners navigate when they start picking them off one by one
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
Betting horses is not much different than other sports betting....you can put as much or as little time into research as you want. You can bet hunches, you can run mostly favorites or look for those live dogs. Instead of parlays we have Pick 3s, Pick 4s, etc., where you string multiple bets together. Instead of same game parlays we have exactas, trifectas and superfectas where you're picking the top 2, 3 or 4 finishers.
If you're talking about reviewing past performances, first you need to pick a type of past performance sheet. The four most popular are Daily Racing Form (by far the most popular), Timeform, Brisnet and Equibase. They all offer the same basic info (Horse, Jockey, Trainer, Horse's record, speed ratings (all 3 have different numbers), running line for each of the last 10 races, etc.) and then a few things special to their sheets.
I prefer Brisnet for a few reasons:
1) you can find them online for free. Go to Cindy Pierson Dulay's website, she has past performances sorted by trainers, some sires, and some larger stables. Sometimes you need to click, go back, click again to get to the info, depending on your operating system. I guess they do that to discourage the lazy.
Finding specific races is not as easy as it used to be. In the past WhoBet used to curate all the public pps and sort them by track. Now I go to Equibase, go to their entries page and look at trainers and sires to figure out where to find the races on Cindy's list. Luckily many of the big trainers (Chad, Todd, Cox, Baffert, O'Neil, Mott, Rice, Romans, Ward) allow direct access for the races they've entered. The big track races are usually easy enough to find.
2) they have a library at http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/static.cgi?page=library where they tell you everything they have on their pps and what it means from a racing standpoint. It is an invaluable resource.
3) I really like their measures on running styles (great for visualizing how a race will unfold), race pace (great for 2 turn races) and class (great for turf races) as something to consider in addition to speed numbers.
As far as how to pick horses, there have been dozens of books written on the subject. Very briefly, what you're trying to do is two things: 1) measuring the potential of each horse and 2) figuring out how likely it is that the best half of those horses can run to their potential in that race.
There are countless tips and rules of thumb to consider. Among my favorites:
1) Pace makes the race - to me that means if their are too many early speed horses in the race, the closers come into play. Otherwise its highly likely the winner will spend the whole race within 3 or so lengths of the lead.
2) Turf races are about class and closing - turf races often run slow early with everyone waiting to make moves on the far turn and stretch. Horses with proven class and late running ability tend to do well.
3) Be wary of favorites trying to do something for the first time - new equipment, new jockey, stretching out, switching surfaces, etc. all question marks that can make the favorite (who only wins about a third of the time anyway) vulnerable
4) Claiming races are as much about angles as they are potential - find horses in the top half of the field that have changes that could raise their effort (new trainer, cutback in distance, sharp work, blinkers on or off, new to lasix, etc.)
5) When nothing looks special, go with the unknown - especially true with maidens and maiden claimers, shippers, surface switchers. If what you see on paper doesn't appeal, then the unknown horses are worth an extra look
I like to budget 15 to 30 minutes on race analysis. Some don't like to spend that kind of time. To each their own.
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
Only Derby I ever went to was the one won by I'll Have Another, and I remember sprinter Trinniberg was in the field and pressed Bodemeister the first 3/4 mile. Bodemeister went sub 23 and sub 46 and still finished 2nd. Great horse.
RetroVK
This claim is disputed
I used to do meadowlands harness every saturday years ago (a small donation back to the casinos). I found it invaluable to watch all the races. I could tell good and bad trips far better from having watched the previous weeks race than by the racing form sheets which I, of course, also used. I took about 20 minutes to handicap and then I watched the odds board from there to determine where the values were. As we all know, it isn't actually about picking the best horse, it is about picking the best value. The one scenario that really hurt me was the bet down shit horse which won a lot and which I could rarely bet as it would appear on paper to me that the horse wasn't good enough at the bet down odds while the other horses odds rose giving them value. But usually that bet down horse was because the farm knew something that wasn't present in the form I was using and knew the horse was ready. In any event, that was the one type of race that I really struggled with over the years, to the point when there was a slow horse bet to favorite, I just avoided the race altogether. Some people at the sportsbook thought these were "rigged" races and given the history of horse racing that was certainly possible but I think it was more about information known to some but not the general public. Shrug.
It is probably the most fun handicap. Baseball is also a fun handicap, but I was willing to lose a little on the races because of how fun it was (saved the bigger losing for sports). The house take is tough to overcome in this sport.
It is probably the most fun handicap. Baseball is also a fun handicap, but I was willing to lose a little on the races because of how fun it was (saved the bigger losing for sports). The house take is tough to overcome in this sport.
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King Slap
CTG Honorary Super Moderator
Thanks bud. I buy the sheets at the casino but I get way too confused on the 1st around turn, 3rd around 2nd, etc. I'm gonna print out your post and bring it with me tomorrow when I go
twinkie13
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