jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
No of course I can see they’re near the bottom of the league in rush yards against and yards per carry. I’m not sure why/how total rush yards against, by itself, explains anything though. How does it, by the way?
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No of course I can see they’re near the bottom of the league in rush yards against and yards per carry. I’m not sure why/how total rush yards against, by itself, explains anything though. How does it, by the way?
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
This is interesting for sure.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
I’ve mentioned in bunch those post of mine you keep bashing, maybe reading comprehension isn’t your thing?
It’s because his over analytic driven ass has said himself running the ball is not as efficient so he schemes to stop passing games at the detriment of run d. I’ll give him I have seen sone very good schemes by him to take passing games away; but it a foolish strategy, sure passing leads to more points than running but as analytics often do they ignore what running the ball does for a offense or to a defense. He one these young analytic driven pricks that thing they smarter than the room even tho the rest the room knows damn well why you don’t allow teams to crush you on the ground.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
Staley and Pederson have always seemed very similar in their "gambling/risk taking" with respect to 4th down. Peterson really 'got the ball rolling' back in Philly, and the push back criticism he received was plenty...some warranted I'm sure, some not so much. Heard this the other day, but it's kinda eerie how close they were this year on 4th down decisions and the fact they're matched up in the first round here...
www.statmuse.com
LAC went 15/29 on 4th down this year for 51.7%
JAX went 14/27 on 4th down this year for 51.9%
Both teams were in the top 10 for 4th down attempts, but neither in the top 5. It's an interesting list seeing where teams rank.
Best 4th Down Conversion Rates By An NFL Team 2022 | StatMuse
The Cleveland Browns made the most fourth-down conversions by a team in 2022, with 23 conversions.
LAC went 15/29 on 4th down this year for 51.7%
JAX went 14/27 on 4th down this year for 51.9%
Both teams were in the top 10 for 4th down attempts, but neither in the top 5. It's an interesting list seeing where teams rank.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
I asked as opposed to going back to multiple threads to find multiple posts to see exactly what was said. I figured it was quicker and easier.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Staley and Pederson have always seemed very similar in their "gambling/risk taking" with respect to 4th down. Peterson really 'got the ball rolling' back in Philly, and the push back criticism he received was plenty...some warranted I'm sure, some not so much. Heard this the other day, but it's kinda eerie how close they were this year on 4th down decisions and the fact they're matched up in the first round here...
Best 4th Down Conversion Rates By An NFL Team 2022 | StatMuse
The Cleveland Browns made the most fourth-down conversions by a team in 2022, with 23 conversions.
I’ve never bashed him a ton for his risk taking. The 1st year was redic; you can’t go on your own damn 30! But I’ve given him credit for dialing that back. I like aggression and risk taking, not to extent he was doing at beginning but he hasn’t been as awful bout that this year: There another huge difference in the 2, pederson teams have a identity: Staley team doesn’t feel like it has one outside “bail us out Herbert”.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
You have, I've already mentioned that.
But this isn't really a thing, but if we think it is, it's definitely not quantifiable. This "identity" is something that the talking heads on TV we all love to mock use as a catch phrase, a cliche.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
I disagree but it not my main reason for bashing him. When he was the dc for 1 year he had Arron Donald so yea, it prob worked allocating less guys to stopping the run, Donald’s don’t grow on trees tho, you gotta coach to your personal and he hasn’t had the dudes to hold up with 6 guys against the run game. The fact he refuses to come off that and continually lets his teams get gashed is awful coaching. His oc isn’t very good either, Herbert bails them out on 3rd down a ton. Nothing im saying bout him hasn’t been co-signed by a lot of smart football ppl. I find it unfathomable you don’t think he has underachieved with this roster. This a super bowl roster and he will never sniff that game. He doesn’t play his guys in preseason so then why would last week make a ounce of sense? The guy is just winging it on the fly.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
I have no idea if they'd be better, let alone significantly better, if Daboll was hired in 2021 instead of Staley. Nobody knows that, nobody could know that. To me, that's not relevant.
I'm not sure I understand the "cheap" point though...how much more do you think Daboll would have cost them? Daboll is tied for the lowest paid coach in the league (apparently this info is tough to get as you'll see a bunch of coaches, including Staley under "unknown") at 4 million/year along with Stefanski and McCarthy.
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How 13 coaches salaries are unknown seems a bit odd to me.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
When did I say I didn't think he's underachieved? Jeebus again.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
I was thinking more about this and decided to check out ML for everyone but +2.5 with Jax...it pays +396.
Buying Jax to +3 pays +360.
Interesting.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
If you think he has underachieved then what the point of all this? Just arguing for the sake of? The dude was seriously under qualified, has proven he in over his head, continues to do things that make it harder on his team than easier. The only important thing in this thread pertaining to him is be careful backing chargers cause he will be out coached and bet Etienne rush yards over.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
I just said he wasn’t awful as a HC.
Is it not possible for someone to have under-achieved without being a fucking horrible, awful, worst ever hire, fucking moron who should be fired? I think it is. I guess this is where we differ. It’s not the end of the world.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
I guess that where the disconnect is. I do think if you underachieve w a loaded roster It does in fact make you awful. playing his guys and losing to donks was moronic. Of course if you underachieve you should be fired? Why else would one get fired? That the very reason coaches get fired! He wasn’t qualified to begin with amd has since proven to be the wrong choice, if that not grounds to get canned I dunno what is? You put Sean peyton coaching this team they be playing for championships..
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
If "under-achieiving" was the sole metric for which coaches were fired, there would be 31 coaches fired after every season.
Yes, I think a coach can under-acheive (by whatever metrics you're using too, go ahead) and still not be not only the worst hire ever, awful, horrible moron but also one where *that* description needs to be bought up (with paragraphs) every time said coaches name is mentioned.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
I don’t follow you around telling you what you should or shouldn’t post so maybe just extend me the same curtesy. He must be your cousin or something, he should send you a card for so valiantly running to his defense. 31 coaches didn’t under-achieve, that a redic comment. Only bout 5 coaches been handed a team w the talent he has wasted.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
Good grief Bank.
I am extending you the same courtesy. We are literally fucking discussing it for fuck's sake.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
Certainly not an excuse for any team (and again the playoffs haven't even started so we know nothing of the outcomes), but the Chargers had some insanely bad injury luck this season. Bosa, for starters, was out from Week 4 until Week 17. Again, this is NOT an excuse but simply a fact that actually took place (the injuries) and obviously needs to be looked at when determining anything imo.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
Back to the games...
Josh Allen has thrown for 2+ TD passes in the past 10 games vs. the Dolphins.
Bills by a billion.
Josh Allen has thrown for 2+ TD passes in the past 10 games vs. the Dolphins.
Bills by a billion.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Agree w that.
I don’t even know who gonna win chargers/jags, I think it the toughest side to predict. Etienne rush props, Keenan Allen props, eckler rec yards should all be good.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
@VirginiaCavs jags have struggled w slot receivers havnt they? Wish I woulda got Allen before Williams got ruled out cause he went up 5 yards or so but feel like jags struggle w slot so 80 is prob still low for him
I don‘t think it specific to slot receivers, i‘d say good receivers in general do well against Jax. Jax has one good corner but he young and developing
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Is he gonna follow Allen into the slot?
Not often enough. If you look at his playerprofile game log his slot percent against a given wide receiver is no higher than 10 percent in a given game
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
A SF (provided it is 9.5 or less)/Cin/Jax 3 team 7 point teaser (+120) seems like an interesting one if you’re into teasers.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
twinkie13
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Seems super odd Louisiana wouldn’t be Cinci
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Stl Is on cincy right here! We do have bunch of kc fans tho. I’m bout that money and I think Burrow is money, when it all said and done I think burrow will have more chips than mahomes or Allen. Although I don’t love this game w ravens with their oline banged up.
Remember when I didn’t like him and said he was product of lsu? Lol
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
Same for Wyoming with KC as opposed to Buffalo.
Not even North Florida supports Jacksonville wtf ??
twinkie13
In transit, arriving late.
North LA and even West LA used to be Cowboy country when I was younger.
Shit I think they even used to get Cowboy games and not Saints
So we should factor the Blake Bortles era into our handicapping today?
2daBank
Voice of Reason
I’d guess it a one year deal cause of Hamlin bills getting so much love.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
It hard not to like the over. I think chargers defensive resurgence is a bit fugazi considering the garbage offenses they have faced down the stretch, I think jags will be able to score and I’m quite positive chargers will hang a number, both getting to 24 wouldn’t shock me at all.
skanless13
Fly, Eagles, Fly!
The Bengals completely got Fd here by trying to do the right thing.
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