Chase young is just a name. Bosa has played well but not up to his DPOY status from last year.
Honestly Gibbs / Montgomery and Aaron Jones > Pacheco. I think we will hold up enough against the run
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Chase young is just a name. Bosa has played well but not up to his DPOY status from last year.
Honestly Gibbs / Montgomery and Aaron Jones > Pacheco. I think we will hold up enough against the run
I think San fran d will fare much better due to matchup and they should have a can under their u know what...shanahan will have the d prepared. I don't see the highest scoring super bowl ever ppl are saying
But they will still be the worst d on the field for sure.....KC can hold up against the run when they need to imo....to me it's just a matter that kc has found that extra gear clearly the last 3 games and it makes them untouchable and mahomes is the next Brady and he isn't losing this
The biggest obstacle for KC and favoring San fran I think is the way the last games ended.....San fran has to feel like they got lucky and need to play better and KC may have just played their super bowl beating the number 1 seed all year and on the road..kc kind of off a high and San fran off a low....and then revenge angle etc but for it being the super bowl mahomes will be ready for sure.
Well ill throw in my donk analysis. Only bet so far is sf sb future at 2u @ +300.
I think kc wins. First 2 things i always ask betting football is who has the better qb and coach? Qb is obvious. I think reid much better coach too.
I was very impressed with how kc d handled Lamar and ravens. They were destroying teams late in year. Seemed every time he dropped back he had a lot of time but no one was ever open. I think their d will control sf offense and mahomes will win the game for kc vs vastly overratedsf d.
Ill definitely hedge vs my sf future bet just a matter of how much. As so many use this phrase but ill pay to see Purdy beat Mahomes on biggest stage in sports.
I think kc wins. First 2 things i always ask betting football is who has the better qb and coach? Qb is obvious. I think reid much better coach too.
I was very impressed with how kc d handled Lamar and ravens. They were destroying teams late in year. Seemed every time he dropped back he had a lot of time but no one was ever open. I think their d will control sf offense and mahomes will win the game for kc vs vastly overratedsf d.
Ill definitely hedge vs my sf future bet just a matter of how much. As so many use this phrase but ill pay to see Purdy beat Mahomes on biggest stage in sports.
Inspekdah
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Wilks wants to run more man to give his line time to get home. He’s not as good at zone schemes at Salah and Ryan’s were. They need to draft a CB to fix this. He gets better as the game goes on and coaches to not allow big plays. But the line has underperform because it should be all time level and it hasn’t been anywhere close to that. Think they can scheme for KC better than their last 2 opponents though.
Inspekdah
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Pacheco runs like a little truck but never breaks tackles and seems to fall back a lot. I’ve said JET would eat us up. Not worried about Pacheco north south style.
Gandolf
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While I agree the coaching and QB edges belong to KC, it's worth remembering that Hoodie & Brady lost 3 super bowls, including one to Doug Pederson and Nick Foles. Tom Coughlin wasn't considered much of a big game coach either his first 10 years in the league.
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Exactly
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Two Utes
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It sure looked like he missed some open guys on the replays. Then, he just insisted to sit in the pocket time and time again. That game was really bad for Lamar.
Inspekdah
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And with all that crap he had 4 scoring drives all messed up late.
Two Utes
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True. The Flowers stretch/fumble was the difference.
Inspekdah
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Yep. Chiefs were going to 3 and out regardless of the score at that point. So if it was cut to 3 Ravens would have had 2-3 more shots to tie/win.
cubsker
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I can't get over how dumb that was. 1st and goal at the 1 with Lamar Jackson is basically a TD.
Yeah it seemed to me he had a lot of time most of the time - and there was never anyone open. I think KC was very disciplined in their rush, not letting him hurt them with the run, staying in their lanes. Sure they didn't think he could hurt them passing and they were right. Agree shitty game for Lamar. But they need to draft more WRs for him, Beckham is done imo. Also, thought Baltimore play calling was abysmal - didn't seem like they did many RPOs for Lamar at all. I didn't see every play but just what it appeared to me.
All that being said, if that WR doesn't fumble at goaline and Baltimore doesn't have all those dumb personal foul penalties they probably win a FG game - and we're all saying Lamar didn't play his best but still won. He was bad but the supporting cast was too.
KJ
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No running game due to play calling, not on Gus, and making Lamar one dimensional was completely self-inflicted by the game they called.
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G-Man
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SF will likely do Run-Blitzes to get to Mahomes. Thats something Buffalo didnt do.
Chiefs are a one-dimension team against better defenses. They also played a far weaker schedule with only a few winning teams. SF played many more.
wiseplayer
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SF got smoked by the Ravens. KC was in full control vs them. Patrick Mahomes matches up well vs anyone.
Capaholic
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Please blitz Mahomes. He’s already going to dice up this secondary, I hope they blitz him a ton and it will be a disaster for SF
I read your thread. Respect the effort put in and there’s some solid stuff there. Baltimores D is much better. There’s almost no stat or metric indicating otherwise.
Who is getting to the QB in this game for SF? It took into the 4th quarter for the best pass rushing team in the league to get to Mahomes. Buffalo and Miami had better pass rushes and they got zero sacks each. Mahomes is going to pick SF apart.
Will Spags have a few left in the chamber? That is the key to the game here
cubsker
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Gannon was better than whomever Tampa had.
What did Baltimore and Miami do .....mahomes crushes zone so San fran will have to change it up. Wouldn't you agree chiefs are a much different team then the regular season ?....I mean that question is the cap
Baltimore should of easily won..like all the sharps thought based on your reasoning.
The chiefs were nothing special during the regular season I absolutely agree.....the "intangibles" affect with mahomes leadership and coaching right now is a real thing. winning a super bowl with this bad offense all year and these wideouts would rank as one of the most impressive feats of any gold jacket player
Why I believe chiefs are better then market value on regular season...well I had the dolphins plus the points chiefs blew them out vastly outperforming expectation....I thought bills were a super bowl contender....and thought Baltimore was the best team in NFL. Chiefs are playing much faster tempo...the stats are better on offense...the run game is back...the eye test is better...they feel a lot different.
Now the counter argument is if you say bills and dolphins were missing their best guys on d and the Baltimore offense lost the game....but to me I feel it's more of patty and Andy just doing what great ones do and stepping it up a notch
Last year Philly had the stats and the regular season dominance over KC.....KC was barely getting by Jacksonville ...Philly had some historic type numbers last year. They were better on paper.
I don't know if this game can be quantified....do you believe mahomes is in the next Jordan Brady type class in terms of leadership and intangibles ?
G-Man
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Baltimore faced more teams with backup QB's and on the season they played many 2nd stringers. Thats why the defenses are mis-represented . SF is better. Dont let the stats dictate the defense rating until you see who they played and what the opponents QB's' were..
Ravens also faced rookie Stroud who wasn't good enough in the cold. Finally played a great defense with KC and couldnt beat them. They got killed on Time Of Possession. Something that SF will control with McCaffrey and Company.
Thanks for the feedback.
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G-Man
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SF offense is #3 run and #4 passing. Chiefs are #17 run and #8 passing. SF is clearly the better offense especially when you consider that SF played 6 teams with winning record at the time they were played - and went 5-1 SU and KC played 3 winning teams and went 2-1. during the regular season.
Thats what the stats are based on. Level of competition is how I look at stats. SF plated the better teams.
BOL To you.
dg84
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Pretty sure the Ravens played the 49ers 1st stringer.
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Gandolf
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Highly unlikely with Kyle Shanahan as the coach of the 49ers. Ask the 2016 Patriots or the 2019 Chiefs.
Capaholic
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if only there was a stat that factors in all of the variables you mention (who they played, which qb played, etc etc). Oh yeah. It’s my old pal DVOA.
Per DVOA Baltimore played the 5th toughest schedule. San Fran the 19th. Again. Factors in all the things you mention.
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In 2001, Warner was better than that Brady. Brady threw for 145 yards, game manager at that point.
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DVOA also had Baltimore rated 6 pct. points higher than the 85 Bears so I wouldn't put too much into those numbers. Kyle Shanahan is not a big time coach and it wont be any different come SB sunday.
DOUBLEUP4LIFE
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DVOA might be the worst metric ever imo
Shanahan might be the most overrated coach in the last 2 decades...last time his team was in this spot they were already celebrating the SB victory in the 3rd quarter ...
Inspekdah
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Yeah there’s a lot of examples…
And Jimmy G was up 10 with 8 mins to go against this same Pat. Who had prime Kelce and Hill.
wiseplayer
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Cap, I haven’t read through all the posts but how significant is the loss of Omenihu?
Inspekdah
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And that little offshore operation probably represents a lot more sharps than the US betting public.
Inspekdah
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And if he wins I think doing it with Mr Irrelevant propels him immediately to the best coach in the league. A lot of pressure on him.
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aplous
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Talking about who has done what in a season seems meaningless to me at this point....games played 2-3 months ago couldn't mean less to me right now. Teams change.
Omenihu loss hurts mostly b/c he plays almost every snap for KC defense. Will be a rotation of guys to fill in.
I have no clue how this game goes. Could be 20-17 or could be 33-30. Last year the Philly D was a world beater and Mahomes got every single available yard in the 2H.
Power run game should be the game plan for SF.
Omenihu loss hurts mostly b/c he plays almost every snap for KC defense. Will be a rotation of guys to fill in.
I have no clue how this game goes. Could be 20-17 or could be 33-30. Last year the Philly D was a world beater and Mahomes got every single available yard in the 2H.
Power run game should be the game plan for SF.
KJ
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Would really like to know how much is out there on the Niners' future. They've likely been getting hit hard every week during the season, especially during that slump. Absolutely has to play in to where the line is set for the game.
Capaholic
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It is the first thing I look at when handicapping. And I’ve done pretty ok over time. If you have better ones, let me know so I can add to the list.
It’s not a game changer. But it hurts. Need some guys like Michael Danna to step up and may have to count on some youngsters to fill in.
Capaholic
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Should have been the game plan for every round against KC. Watching the All-22, I blame Monken a little less. KC had 8 guys in the box a lottttt. Spags is going to make Brock Purdy beat them.
DOUBLEUP4LIFE
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I want you and every other capper to win all their bets ..If DVOA works for you that's great ..
All the big bettors here at SENECA Buffalo were making their largest bets in years on the Ravens last week, their number one talking point was DVOA ...
Clearly they lack the respected discipline you have .
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That’s a fact
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Gandolf
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Speaking of Brad Johnson, how close was Lamar to doing something only Brad Johnson and Marcus Mariota have ever done: throwing a touchdown pass to themself!
Lamar was one shoestring tackle from taking his own pass a long way....
Inspekdah
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How are the Chiefs on third down? Even last week first half 9ers consistently had the Lions in 3rd and longs. I really feel like there’s 2 reads to take away and by then it will be up to Mahomes to do his man in high heels scramble drill vs the 9ers pass rush. It could look a lot like Tampa in 2019 but it may look a lot like Chiefs last year when they hung a 40 spot vs SF.
Not a lot of talk about the surface. Think it favors the Chiefs.
Not a lot of talk about the surface. Think it favors the Chiefs.
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