49ers vs. Chiefs Discussion Thread

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Line didn’t matter. It’s a PK. Movement around the PK means little.

9ers defense needs to figure shit out. Lions have a lot more talent on offense and much more run defense than the Chiefs.

9ers shouldn’t pass more than 15 times if they want to win.
 
Seems like Vegas is all in on the Niners setting up for a rush of public money on the Chiefs.

That being said, Niners need to get over these slow starts. Let’s get it!

Btw, I will tolerate absolutely ZERO purdy slander. He was beyond clutch in that 2H
 
Inspekdah said:
Line didn’t matter. It’s a PK. Movement around the PK means little.

9ers defense needs to figure shit out. Lions have a lot more talent on offense and much more run defense than the Chiefs.

9ers shouldn’t pass more than 15 times if they want to win.
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Y’all are toast.
Mr Jab Kermit and T Swift party
 
Nothing is stopping Tay Tay from taking that trophy...LOL

Andy Reid will easily outcoach Shanahan imo ...

Personally I'd love to see the 49ers win
 

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Chiefs 2nd halves last 8 weeks:

Ravens - 0-3
Bills - 14-7
Miami - 10-0
LAC - not relevant, backups
Bengals - 12-0
Vegas - 7-3
Pats - 13-7
Bills - 10-6

6-2 to the under since the Packer loss. If this one is as close as advertised there will be little no huddle action, both teams want to run, and KC trends way under in 2nd halves.

It'll take 4 TDs first half to get an over in play. And that would likely require 1 long TD (40+ yds). Until yesterday the Niners hadn't given up a TD over 20 yards since Arizona in mid-December. KC gave up a 30 yard TD yesterday and 53 yards to Tyreek in the wildcard round. Under is a 70-30 lean.
 
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Chiefs 2nd halves last 8 weeks:

Ravens - 0-3
Bills - 14-7
Miami - 10-0
LAC - not relevant, backups
Bengals - 12-0
Vegas - 7-3
Pats - 13-7
Bills - 10-6

6-2 to the under since the Packer loss. If this one is as close as advertised there will be little no huddle action, both teams want to run, and KC trends way under in 2nd halves.

It'll take 4 TDs first half to get an over in play. And that would likely require 1 long TD (40+ yds). Until yesterday the Niners hadn't given up a TD over 20 yards since Arizona in mid-December. KC gave up a 30 yard TD yesterday and 53 yards to Tyreek in the wildcard round. Under is a 70-30 lean.
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Chiefs 2h unders this year were my best bet all regular season.

Great defense.

24-17 Chiefs is what I keep coming up with.

Maybe 27-20 .

Lean under, but won't play till live markets.

Chiefs is a big bet + have their future.

I wish I had bet the +3 on futures market as the books correctly opened up slightly lower and that number got pounded (as it should).

This is the 4th best team of these four SF runs since the start of 2019.

This is the best Chiefs defense in Reid's tenure, easily.

Top unit +1.5 -110

Pending 10 units on future.

This will be the hardest SB to watch though, just due to the Swift crap. There is so much more at stake than just football. Puke.
 
B.A.R. said:
Chiefs 2h unders this year were my best bet all regular season.

Great defense.

24-17 Chiefs is what I keep coming up with.

Maybe 27-20 .

Lean under, but won't play till live markets.

Chiefs is a big bet + have their future.

I wish I had bet the +3 on futures market as the books correctly opened up slightly lower and that number got pounded (as it should).

This is the 4th best team of these four SF runs since the start of 2019.

This is the best Chiefs defense in Reid's tenure, easily.

Top unit +1.5 -110

Pending 10 units on future.

This will be the hardest SB to watch though, just due to the Swift crap. There is so much more at stake than just football. Puke.
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4th best defense by far.

Offense is way better. Brock > Jimmy (by only a bit) but much better RBs stable.
 
B.A.R. said:
Chiefs 2h unders this year were my best bet all regular season.

Great defense.

24-17 Chiefs is what I keep coming up with.

Maybe 27-20 .

Lean under, but won't play till live markets.

Chiefs is a big bet + have their future.

I wish I had bet the +3 on futures market as the books correctly opened up slightly lower and that number got pounded (as it should).

This is the 4th best team of these four SF runs since the start of 2019.

This is the best Chiefs defense in Reid's tenure, easily.

Top unit +1.5 -110

Pending 10 units on future.

This will be the hardest SB to watch though, just due to the Swift crap. There is so much more at stake than just football. Puke.
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my biggest regret right here. was eyeing that +3 before kick last night and decided to wait
 
Chiefs are piss poor against the run. They had 8 in the box last SB and it scared Kyle into throwing too much. Jimmy was 15/17 at one point in that game. Chiefs offense is way way worse than that unit. Hill was unguardable and they had 10 points with 7 mins left in the 4q.

9ers should run the ball 50 times. Get Mitchell involved early too.

Chiefs 4.5 ypc against the run. 24th.

I don’t see how the 9ers stop Pat much though. Although he only has one WR and one TE. Pacheco isn’t Gibbs and they badly miss JET.
 
Personnel changes since 2019 are interesting.

Niners

Purdy replaces Jimmy G. Slight boost with Purdy being much more mobile.
McCaffrey replaces Coleman, Mostert and others. Big boost.
Deebo and Kittle 4 years older - no change. Deebo still only 27 in prime. Kittle just hit 30, looks like he's still in prime.
Aiyuk/Jennings replace Sanders/Bourne combo. Small boost.

Chiefs

Mahomes at his absolute peak right now, slight boost from 2019.
Pacheco/CEH replace Damien Williams/Shady McCoy - Medium boost. Pacheco runs so hard. Shady was over the hill and DW is just a guy.
Kelce 4 years older - Small drop, although he turned back the clock on Sunday.
Rice is the main WR replacing Tyreek - Big drop. Rice is good but Tyreek was the field stretcher. Chiefs offense is all 15 yards and in now.
MVS/Watson/Hardman replacing Watkins/Robinson/Hardman - Small drop. Chiefs have always been Kelce + a WR so the value of the #2,3,4 WRs is not large. The difference is MVS is trying to replace Tyreek as the lid-lifter and he sucks. Watkins and Robinson were serviceable working under Tyreek clear outs and Kelce drawing doubles. Now its a lot harder for the Chiefs.

Defense
Niners are somehow worse than 2019 although the talent level looks a fair bit higher.
Chiefs are much better than 2019 even though Ward flipped to SF and Frank Clark is gone. Snead and McDuffie have formed a solid CB combo and Karlaftis has boosted the d-line.

So compared to 2019, a better Niners offense is facing a better Chiefs defense, and a worse Chiefs offense is facing a worse Niners defense. Guess that doesn't help much LOL.
 
dfresh said:
Seems like Vegas is all in on the Niners setting up for a rush of public money on the Chiefs.

That being said, Niners need to get over these slow starts. Let’s get it!

Btw, I will tolerate absolutely ZERO purdy slander. He was beyond clutch in that 2H
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I don't know what Wilkes and Kyle need to do - but they need to steal time in the 1h to get them to HT to make the adjustments they've made in the run defense and tighten those zones.
 
9ers need 25 CMC and 15 Debo touches.

Chiefs after last SB said they were thankful the 9ers stopped running the ball because they had no answers.
 
Gandolf said:
Personnel changes since 2019 are interesting.

Niners

Purdy replaces Jimmy G. Slight boost with Purdy being much more mobile.
McCaffrey replaces Coleman, Mostert and others. Big boost.
Deebo and Kittle 4 years older - no change. Deebo still only 27 in prime. Kittle just hit 30, looks like he's still in prime.
Aiyuk/Jennings replace Sanders/Bourne combo. Small boost.

Chiefs

Mahomes at his absolute peak right now, slight boost from 2019.
Pacheco/CEH replace Damien Williams/Shady McCoy - Medium boost. Pacheco runs so hard. Shady was over the hill and DW is just a guy.
Kelce 4 years older - Small drop, although he turned back the clock on Sunday.
Rice is the main WR replacing Tyreek - Big drop. Rice is good but Tyreek was the field stretcher. Chiefs offense is all 15 yards and in now.
MVS/Watson/Hardman replacing Watkins/Robinson/Hardman - Small drop. Chiefs have always been Kelce + a WR so the value of the #2,3,4 WRs is not large. The difference is MVS is trying to replace Tyreek as the lid-lifter and he sucks. Watkins and Robinson were serviceable working under Tyreek clear outs and Kelce drawing doubles. Now its a lot harder for the Chiefs.

Defense
Niners are somehow worse than 2019 although the talent level looks a fair bit higher.
Chiefs are much better than 2019 even though Ward flipped to SF and Frank Clark is gone. Snead and McDuffie have formed a solid CB combo and Karlaftis has boosted the d-line.

So compared to 2019, a better Niners offense is facing a better Chiefs defense, and a worse Chiefs offense is facing a worse Niners defense. Guess that doesn't help much LOL.
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This is very spot on.

I hope the 9ers see on tape that this Chiefs offense is now short/medium and they get closer to the line. Not giving up chunk plays is nice but at some point leaving 4 DL to control the entire LOS by themselves with everyone else backing 10 years + into zones is a problem.
 

Gut reaction predictions​

Aaron Schatz, NFL analyst: Chiefs. Their defense is playing very well, while the 49ers' defense has declined in recent weeks. Both running backs should have nice games, but only the Chiefs have Mahomes.

Dan Graziano, NFL national reporter: Chiefs. Every time I don't pick them, they seem to make me feel stupid. They keep finding ways to win.

Dan Orlovsky, NFL analyst: Chiefs. Mahomes always gives them an edge, and the defense is excellent.

Field Yates, NFL analyst: Chiefs. The Lions did a solid job of protecting Jared Goff in the NFC Championship Game, which I expect the Chiefs to be able to replicate. Even if they are unable to, Mahomes is undeterred by pressure and will lead the Chiefs to their third Super Bowl win in five years.

Jordan Reid, NFL draft analyst: Chiefs. San Francisco is looking to avenge its loss to the Chiefs from Super Bowl LIV, but I think Kansas City will once again be too much for the 49ers as they go on to win back-to-back titles.

Lindsey Thiry, NFL national reporter: Chiefs. You simply can't pick against Mahomes.

Marcus Spears, NFL analyst: Chiefs. Again, Mahomes is their QB ...

Matt Miller, NFL draft analyst: Chiefs. I like some of the situational matchups for San Francisco, but the playoffs are about the team with the best quarterback and head coach duo -- and that's Kansas City.

Seth Walder, analytics writer: 49ers. San Francisco's playmakers will be too overwhelming for Kansas City. There's a reason the Niners were the best offense all year long -- and they will be again on Super Bowl Sunday.

Seth Wickersham, NFL writer: 49ers. Shanahan's scars are finally healed.

Stephania Bell, NFL injury analyst: 49ers. Shanahan will use the lessons learned from giving up a lead (as well as the confidence gained Sunday night that they can come back from behind) to pull out a win.
 
twinkie13 said:
Is Patrick Mahomes gonna lose a SB game to Brock Purdy?
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He has 2 guys in the pass game. That's it.

If the offensive rosters were flipped Chiefs by 50.

I don't see Kelce being a big weapon in the 2h. Dre and Fred are going to absolutely bruise 2 things at once pretty badly. Lions got alligator arms from all the hits.
 
Really interested to see who the Niners put over Chiefs RT Juwaan Taylor and how many seconds before the snap will he be allowed to move. Will the Niners move Bosa around and put him up against Taylor. How much help will Taylor need and what does that take away from the Chiefs route runners?
 
Gandolf said:
Really interested to see who the Niners put over Chiefs RT Juwaan Taylor and how many seconds before the snap will he be allowed to move. Will the Niners move Bosa around and put him up against Taylor. How much help will Taylor need and what does that take away from the Chiefs route runners?
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They held Bosa every play last SB. Taylor now gets a free game to hold as he pleases.
 
Gandolf said:
Really interested to see who the Niners put over Chiefs RT Juwaan Taylor and how many seconds before the snap will he be allowed to move. Will the Niners move Bosa around and put him up against Taylor. How much help will Taylor need and what does that take away from the Chiefs route runners?
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I expect them to mix up the line. Chase Young is so bad that they have to hide him a bit.
 
I was all worked up to go make a massive bet on the Chiefs at -3 then I opened up the app and saw the Chiefs at dogs and got all fucking gun shy.

I don't understand this line.

The big game is usually about Vegas raking in novice money. They have to know that the Chiefs are most likely going to be a very public side.

Is this just a huge mistake on the opener?
 
Pfizer-Swift gonna be a tough out.

Mahomes has been a dog against Jethro Allen, Lamar and now 'Small Hands' Purdy.

They are mocking us.

Not sure the 'Deep State' will allow anything else but a Queefs victory, followed by a marriage proposal.

Games aren't fixed if it's for 'entertainment'...
 
Coverdatspred said:
I was all worked up to go make a massive bet on the Chiefs at -3 then I opened up the app and saw the Chiefs at dogs and got all fucking gun shy.

I don't understand this line.

The big game is usually about Vegas raking in novice money. They have to know that the Chiefs are most likely going to be a very public side.

Is this just a huge mistake on the opener?
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Market ratings have never had the Chiefs ahead of the Niners in the last couple of months. KC was never going to be favorites in this one. My good friend DVOA said KC and Detroit were the same team this year and SF was just a TD fav against them.

Now, I’m not naive. Playoff KC is and has been a different animal. But I feel the line is right where it should be.

I see Inspekdah is already making holding excuses. As if Chris Jones never gets held and wasn’t held and tripped on two huge plays yesterday. Conveniently forgets Shanny abandoning a dominant first half run game and Jimmy G missing a wide open winning TD to Sanders.

Other than that nothing but love for the Inspekdah
 
Capaholic said:
Market ratings have never had the Chiefs ahead of the Niners in the last couple of months. KC was never going to be favorites in this one. My good friend DVOA said KC and Detroit were the same team this year and SF was just a TD fav against them.

Now, I’m not naive. Playoff KC is and has been a different animal. But I feel the line is right where it should be.

I see Inspekdah is already making holding excuses. As if Chris Jones never gets held and wasn’t held and tripped on two huge plays yesterday. Conveniently forgets Shanny abandoning a dominant first half run game and Jimmy G missing a wide open winning TD to Sanders.

Other than that nothing but love for the Inspekdah
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I expect zero holding calls for both teams.

I'm just bitter I didn't get down on this future head to head matchup when it seemed meant to be for so many reasons!
 
Gandolf said:
Really interested to see who the Niners put over Chiefs RT Juwaan Taylor and how many seconds before the snap will he be allowed to move. Will the Niners move Bosa around and put him up against Taylor. How much help will Taylor need and what does that take away from the Chiefs route runners?
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Taylor is still lining up illegally at least 20 times a game from what I see on all 22.
The first game of the season believe he was around 70% of snaps...
 
dfresh said:
If the Chiefs are all of a sudden so good, why are they only 1 point dogs?

The niners are basically underdogs in the eyes of the media which I think takes a lot of the pressure off in this game.
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Shanahan has failed time after time in big games including at Atlanta. There’s a ton of pressure on him to win this. I’ll take my chances with Reid and their DC with Mahomes all day long vs Shanahan and their DC with Purdy.
Shanahan is approaching Marv Levy and Bud Grant territory if he loses this.
 
wiseplayer said:
Shanahan has failed time after time in big games including at Atlanta. There’s a ton of pressure on him to win this. I’ll take my chances with Reid and their DC with Mahomes all day long vs Shanahan and their DC with Purdy.
Shanahan is approaching Marv Levy and Bud Grant territory if he loses this.
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Can’t disagree, which is why I think the Chiefs being public favorites (not necessarily betting favorites) takes a lot of pressure off of him and Purdy.

There was also a time where people said the same about Reid until Mahomes fell into his lap
 
I just can't believe the events that's had to happen for Detroit to lose that game still....I was pounded Detroit live when they came out and just had gaping holes left and right....I mean that might be the biggest meltdown in a big game I have Ever seen.

Chiefs are clear right side here imo and just beat the other 2 best teams in playoffs b2b.....they have raised their level of play starting with the playoffs.....I don't know if Brady ever won a super bowl with a regular season like this but what we are seeing from the chiefs is downright legendary this team was not a serious team in the regular season

This wilks thing we called on this board preseason.....I guess preseason does matter ? .....I thought the team was screwed during that 3 game streak....I mean what the hell teams are they playing out there on the West Coast ? Every physical team been giving them trouble but I didn't expect that disaster

Shanahan is the clear brains on the d.....you can see shanahan making the adjustments and directing it to wilks....I saw this during the rams game earlier in the year. The head coach has to tighten the coverage

Wilks needs to go imo....I can't get over what he did at Missouri

This will be a game of stars....deebo trent mcaffey vs mahomes kelce Jones......chiefs on a mission.
 
How can a team with bosa young and all that talent struggle to get pressure this year ? The regression is everywhere run d pass d
 
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