Frank Costanza
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Well said.
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Well said.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
I'm skeptical that Lane can win big anywhere, and certainly not to the level that LSU demands. But they will be competent and mostly beat the teams they are supposed to. I think he's a more charismatic James Franklin with way more baggage.
Sumrall will be a good hire for AU on the surface. If their money folks can keep from meddling, I think he will do well there. But if they are going to make keeping Durkin as DC a requirement, which I've seen a lot of support for, then he should turn it down as should any worthwhile coach. According to some of their message board mods, the AD has stressed to everyone how critically important roster retention is, given their volatility the last 5 years. They believe they are already behind and can't afford to fall farther back. While I understand the sentiment, I think it's far more important to get the right guy than keeping Cam Coleman or whomever. That's why I think they end up elevating Durkin and they'll be in the exact same spot in 3 years
There are some wild rumors floating around surrounding Lincoln Riley. Not sure I believe any of it, but if he left, not to mention Sark, wow
Sumrall will be a good hire for AU on the surface. If their money folks can keep from meddling, I think he will do well there. But if they are going to make keeping Durkin as DC a requirement, which I've seen a lot of support for, then he should turn it down as should any worthwhile coach. According to some of their message board mods, the AD has stressed to everyone how critically important roster retention is, given their volatility the last 5 years. They believe they are already behind and can't afford to fall farther back. While I understand the sentiment, I think it's far more important to get the right guy than keeping Cam Coleman or whomever. That's why I think they end up elevating Durkin and they'll be in the exact same spot in 3 years
There are some wild rumors floating around surrounding Lincoln Riley. Not sure I believe any of it, but if he left, not to mention Sark, wow
twinkie13
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It would never happen. I’m not even that old school yet, but LSU would never do it.
I go back to wheelbarrow Uptown barroom days down Magazine St where many years it was Tulane dude wheeling LSU guys around.
I’m a huge Sumrall guy. In my opinion, Ole Miss could nail a sleeper move.
Frank Costanza
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I don't know where Kiffin's going to land but I feel comfortable in saying these next 7 days are going to be some of the best of his life. For someone who enjoys being the center of attention you're not going to get much better.
twinkie13
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This is the way
Brewers888
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Is Lane not currently winning big at Ole Miss and if this isn't considered that what is especially for a program that has mostly struggled recently.
Charles0619
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At this point, I think Sumrall is the best way forward for Ole Miss and I think he is the better coach. Again look at Kiffin’s resume, this is his 16th year as a head coach and this year is by far the most success he’s ever had. In spite of the swagger, ego, social media presence, and ability to evaluate talent, he’s never won ANYTHING as a head coach. Not even a playoff game in the NFL or college. Good luck with this high maintenance diva with the emotional intelligence of a 19 year old girl. If a program wants to offer him 10 years 150 million, it will be a huge mistake. I would be pissed even if Ole Miss offered a crazy extension like that. It’s just not worth it.
Career wise everyone throwing $$$ at him this next week.
Capitalism. The American experiment.
God Bless The USA.
With the CFP playoff expansion to 12 and heading for more, this will happen more and more moving forward.
CPA-hole
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They just need to figure out a better calender system. Idgaf where Lane goes. That's his choice. But it should be done after the season is over and not torpedo his current team during the actual season.
Agree 1,000% Sir.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
I think relative to expectations/history, he is winning big at Ole Miss. LSU, Florida, etc do not have the same expectations. It’s why I think he should stay, even if he elevates expectations to a point where he becomes a disappointment.
I know I'm in the minority but I don't think Lane is all that great. Has done well at ole miss but there's no pressure there relative to these other jobs. He's had nothing but fiascos at high pressure places. I certainly wouldn't want him influencing my kid either. But guess we'll see as looks like he's leaving. Ill be honest - I'll be rooting against him whereas now I tend to be with him.
Also why do college coaching contracts allow a coach to leave while under contract (with minor buyouts) while pro coaching contracts are ironclad i.e coach can't leave without permission.
Why doesn't some blue blood hold the line. LSU to Sumrall "you want our job it's yours but you have to stay entire term" I know it's who has leverage but I don't get these colleges being on their knees with the $ they are offering. Coach agents have all the leverage now
Why doesn't some blue blood hold the line. LSU to Sumrall "you want our job it's yours but you have to stay entire term" I know it's who has leverage but I don't get these colleges being on their knees with the $ they are offering. Coach agents have all the leverage now
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
Because the owners collaborate to make the rules. In college, every school is too paranoid to give an advantage to a competitor school, you have boosters meddling and guys who majored in PE heading the negotiations, while in the NFL you have actual business professionals and lawyers doing it
You would think one school would hold the line but none do at any level. Instead they give 10 years guaranteed. Some college needs to start a new reality. Sounds like Louisiana Governor might have been the start but he's backed off. College should do same with player nil agreement too.
This is absolutely word-for-word 100% DEAD ON.
So he either jumps and goes to Florida, a school who has had the most coaches 8 (including interims) since Urb
Or…he jumps and goes to a school that has fired 2 coaches that have won the Natty.
Gotcha.
For a coach that’s underachieved in multiple spots and won nothing.
I’m sure this will go well.
Or…he jumps and goes to a school that has fired 2 coaches that have won the Natty.
Gotcha.
For a coach that’s underachieved in multiple spots and won nothing.
I’m sure this will go well.
Brewers888
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This Lane bashing is insane you'd be doing cartwheels if he replaced Glenn with the Jets. He was given too much too soon but he has become a very good coach.
Brewers888
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Maybe Sumrall will be a great coach in a bigger job but he hasn't coached at that level yet and who's to say he's not the next Sun Belt Billy who was once this hot commodity and now will probably never get another big job again.
I would 100% NOT be doing cartwheels. He’s proven nothing. Wasn’t good in the pros. Bailed on Tennessee instantly and has a 5-star roster at USC and was trash.
Want to give him a cookie for FAU? Or getting a 1st round QB in Dart? I’ll give you this year.
But this is a school that fired a coach that won a title less than 2 years after. Their fans are spoiled and won’t be happy unless they get the next Saban. And I actually really like LSU, but I’m trying to be a realist here.
He’s not better than Kirby, he’s probably not better than DeBoer, might not be better than Elko. He’s got a great last name, a witty personality and a SM presence.
4 years max unless he wins a few SEC titles.
Sumral, Bob Chesney, Dillingham, Marcus Freeman….get me a young guy who will be dead set on recruiuting, relating to the players and has that fire / passion to win.
Give me that all day over an older retread. All day. He’s overrated, plain and simple
Brewers888
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I think he has learned over the years and is now a very good coach but I guess that I do understand the concerns.
twinkie13
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There are people that think Lane should’ve been the LSU coach years ago.
There is a subset that voices the obvious and same concerns in this thread.
Is Verge Ausberry really the trigger man? I doubt it.
LSU has to hit gold here because they are lucky this is FLA/OM and not Texas/TAMU
There is a subset that voices the obvious and same concerns in this thread.
Is Verge Ausberry really the trigger man? I doubt it.
LSU has to hit gold here because they are lucky this is FLA/OM and not Texas/TAMU
I think he's a good coach and he's obviously done well at Ole Miss. I just don't think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread or Saban. Not even close. Every time he's been in a high pressure environment he's faltered. After what the Gov said about Kelly's contract I'm surprised LSU is doing this, getting into a bidding war for him. Anxious to see what it takes to get him - he's about 10th highest paid at Ole Miss at around $10M.
My final take on Lane until we find out what he decides to do next weekend after Friday's Egg Bowl.
The way things are looking, he could be packing his bags on Black Friday afternoon after the Rebels dispose of Mess State.
Here it goes............
Ole Miss has not been relevant nationally in over 60 years since the legendary Johnny Vaught roamed the sidelines.
They are relevant nationally right now due to two reasons: Lane and the Transfer Portal.
If Lane's people are playing chess - and I believe they are - they know that CFB will go through great reform in the coming months and years (starting as early as January 2026) as it relates to the transfer portal.
The transfer portal is what helped him lift Ole Miss to where they are right now. Without it, no way.
What is not going to go anywhere, is traditional recruiting and the recent introduction of NIL.
Advantage: LSU and Florida in recruiting and NIL and it is not even close.
I keep hearing "Lane is never going to win a national title at Florida or LSU".
This is akin to "such and such is never going to win a super bowl".
The sports roads behind us are full of superstar coaches and players who never won a national championship or title in any of the sports they coached/played in.
It does not mean you are "bad".
I just means other people were in positions where things fell their way.
I don't have to Google or ChatGPT and place here, the list of great coaches and players in history who never won a championship.
It is extremely difficult to do, and it should be. In this day and age, look at the list of Coaches in the AP Top 25 poll who have NEVER won a championship:
- Curt Cignetti
- Mike Elko
- Dan Lanning
- Lane Kiffin
- Marcus Freeman
- Kalen DeBoer
- Clark Lea
- Kyle Whittingham
- Steve Sarkisian
- Josh Heupel
etc etc etc.
These are ALL accomplished coaches. Most will never win a ring. Does that take away from their greatness?
Go ask the players and fans of Bo Schembechler, Bill Snyder, Gary Patterson, Hayden Fry, Kirk Ferentz, if this matters in their legacies?
Up until last year, Ryan Day had never won a national title.
Kirby Smart won his first one in 2021.
My point is, predicting that Lane will never win a national championship is at best statistically true due to how difficult it is, and at worst, lazy handicapping.
Putting the nail in the coffin on this decision, should be that Ole Miss went public with saying a decision will be made on this, without talking to him in private.
He would have lost leverage and been making a poor business decision to put all of the noise and outside talk to a stop by signing a long term extension without first listening to what other suitors had to say.
As Nick Saban said, Lane did not cause this. The system caused this.
I am saying he is only a symptom, not the virus.
Given the uncertain landscape moving forward on the full and absolute changes in the transfer portal as well as the national brand loyalty that can secure recruits at the highest level, in my opinion Lane should leave Oxford on Friday evening and never look back.
He should take the job at LSU or Florida and secure the largest annual contract a CFB coach has ever made.
And he should never look back.
Let me say it to Ole Miss nation on behalf of Lane: You are welcome for what he did for you.
The way things are looking, he could be packing his bags on Black Friday afternoon after the Rebels dispose of Mess State.
Here it goes............
Ole Miss has not been relevant nationally in over 60 years since the legendary Johnny Vaught roamed the sidelines.
They are relevant nationally right now due to two reasons: Lane and the Transfer Portal.
If Lane's people are playing chess - and I believe they are - they know that CFB will go through great reform in the coming months and years (starting as early as January 2026) as it relates to the transfer portal.
The transfer portal is what helped him lift Ole Miss to where they are right now. Without it, no way.
What is not going to go anywhere, is traditional recruiting and the recent introduction of NIL.
Advantage: LSU and Florida in recruiting and NIL and it is not even close.
I keep hearing "Lane is never going to win a national title at Florida or LSU".
This is akin to "such and such is never going to win a super bowl".
The sports roads behind us are full of superstar coaches and players who never won a national championship or title in any of the sports they coached/played in.
It does not mean you are "bad".
I just means other people were in positions where things fell their way.
I don't have to Google or ChatGPT and place here, the list of great coaches and players in history who never won a championship.
It is extremely difficult to do, and it should be. In this day and age, look at the list of Coaches in the AP Top 25 poll who have NEVER won a championship:
- Curt Cignetti
- Mike Elko
- Dan Lanning
- Lane Kiffin
- Marcus Freeman
- Kalen DeBoer
- Clark Lea
- Kyle Whittingham
- Steve Sarkisian
- Josh Heupel
etc etc etc.
These are ALL accomplished coaches. Most will never win a ring. Does that take away from their greatness?
Go ask the players and fans of Bo Schembechler, Bill Snyder, Gary Patterson, Hayden Fry, Kirk Ferentz, if this matters in their legacies?
Up until last year, Ryan Day had never won a national title.
Kirby Smart won his first one in 2021.
My point is, predicting that Lane will never win a national championship is at best statistically true due to how difficult it is, and at worst, lazy handicapping.
Putting the nail in the coffin on this decision, should be that Ole Miss went public with saying a decision will be made on this, without talking to him in private.
He would have lost leverage and been making a poor business decision to put all of the noise and outside talk to a stop by signing a long term extension without first listening to what other suitors had to say.
As Nick Saban said, Lane did not cause this. The system caused this.
I am saying he is only a symptom, not the virus.
Given the uncertain landscape moving forward on the full and absolute changes in the transfer portal as well as the national brand loyalty that can secure recruits at the highest level, in my opinion Lane should leave Oxford on Friday evening and never look back.
He should take the job at LSU or Florida and secure the largest annual contract a CFB coach has ever made.
And he should never look back.
Let me say it to Ole Miss nation on behalf of Lane: You are welcome for what he did for you.
Wrong coaches at both. Many of us called them bad fits at the outset.
It's not his nor his players' faults that the schedule wasn't great. Kentucky and arkie both down. Lsu down. Lost competitively at Georgia. Nice W at OU is ranked 8th.
Oregon at 9-1 is behind them in the playoff rankings.
Ole miss is #6 as we speak. They are doing somethinh right. They'll beat messy state on friday and are a guarantee to make the 12 team playoff field after that win.
Brewers888
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Any school that has won championships with Les Miles and Ed Orgeron as coaches knows they should be in the hunt every year.
cubsker
Used to be "Fun Cub"
What about the other 15 years?
I'm not going to go year by year but we know at multiple stops he has won some big games.
Are Ole Miss, LSU and Florida all crazy to reportedly be prepping offers of $13M per year and $25M NIL packages to this very "unaccomplished coach" ?
Those of you flaming him are right but these 3 football schools are wrong. ??
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Not as many as you’d think…I'm not going to go year by year but we know at multiple stops he has won some big games.
Are Ole Miss, LSU and Florida all crazy to reportedly be prepping offers of $13M per year and $25M NIL packages to this very "unaccomplished coach" ?
Those of you flaming him are right but these 3 football schools are wrong. ??
Charles0619
Well-Known Member
I agree 100% - he hasn’t won as many big games as Majent thinks. Maybe you should go back year by year. I am an Ole Miss season ticket holder and I have watched every single game since Kiffin has been there. I want him to stay - he is great at working the portal and a good talent evaluator. He is a below average in game coach. Watch the stupid bullshit he did at Florida last year - he started our 5th wide receiver Micah Davis at tailback (he had never played there before) when Ulysses Bentley (an actual good running back who had over 100 yards against LSU) was healthy. Bentley got no touches in that game but Davis got 11 carries for almost no yards and our freaking 320lb defensive tackle JJ Pegues got 6 carries at TAILBACK and was stopped on 4th down multiple times. It cost us a playoff spot! Do you think Kirby Smart or Deboer or Ryan Day does this stupid bullshit without making adjustments in game to get something working with the run game??? Of course not. They are top tier coaches. Kiffin is not. He is 12-11 in SEC road games at Ole Miss and 1-6 on the road against ranked opponents. This is not the work of a coaching legend. These are facts not opinions.
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I.wonder how many were in 2009 at Tennessee where he took an undermanned team to .500 or at USC where he took over a team under sanctions from pete Carroll or as fau coach sacrificial lamb to big programs?
Or when he was building ole miss the last 5 years with lesser material then they get at Bama georgia lsu florida etc etc ?
He hasn't coached in the greatest situation which is why he was brought in at each stop. Usc on scholarship sanctions wasn't a great situation. Ask clay helton.
Most of the victories over top 25 teams are the last 6 seasons.
His stock is clearly rising. This is a bullish setup (stock market term for chartists)
But you want hin to stay lol
Charles0619
Well-Known Member
Are you really Kiffins agent?
Charles0619
Well-Known Member
He’s a C- in game coach but an A+ recruiter/talent evaluator and portal navigator. I remember the disaster Matt Luke was and I don’t want to go back to that . And again I don’t care about your word salad about bullish setup or stock rising. He is 1-6 at Ole Miss against ranked opponents on the road and 12-11 overall at Ole Miss in road conference games. That’s not great. That’s not gonna cut it at LSU. You do understand this????? Or maybe not since it appears I am talking to Jimmy Sexton agent for Lane Kiffin.
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What's his record at ole miss vs top 25 teams at home? He beat my highly ranked sooners in Norman.
What's his record vs sec in Oxford?
Bud, you are cherrypicking stats.
Let's say he leaves.
Tons of coaches are ready to come to Oxford.
You guys will be just fine. He built the program and you have momentum.
Charles0619
Well-Known Member
He has been very good at home for sure. I don’t know the overall record but he has won 22 out of 23 at home.
Maybe he has turned a corner with the road win at Oklahoma but he has been shaky at best on road. I went to the OU/Ole Miss game in Norman and I’ll say the OU fans were some of the nicest, most hospitable fans I’ve encountered.
We will see what happens. If I could bet a prop that he lasts less than 5 years at LSU (assuming he ends up there), I’d bet it heavily.