twinkie13
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You’re just not paying attention or misinformed if you don’t think LSU is on those levels. In which way?
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gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
I think LSU and UGA are very similar. Decades of untapped potential finally realized by hiring the right coach. If Miles and O can win nattys there, the list is probably pretty long of others who could too
Charles0619
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LSU is a good program and has ample financial resources but not at the level of Texas or Texas A&M. They have been a top tier program for the past 25 years but I am old enough to remember the dumpster fire that the 1990s were with Curley Hallman and Gerry Dinardo. Program success is cyclical for most programs including LSU. I would argue that they’ve only had two top tier coaches in the last 50 years (Saban and Miles). Orgeron was average at best and he had maybe the best offensive team EVER in 2019. Hundreds of coaches could’ve won a NC with that obscene amount of talent. I wish Lane well but he’s not going to like it when they are burning him in effigy after a 9-4 season. That’s a semi successful year at Ole Miss.
I don't put it on ego. I think it is perfectly natural and respectable to want to expand and stretch professionally to the best places on earth.
Ole Miss and Oxford is a nice place. It is not a destination job. It simply is not.
Historically speaking, it is not in the same league as LSU or Florida is on national appeal and branding. It is simply not.
It would be like an incredibly tech savvy person staying at a very respectable name vs going to a Magnificent 7 company in the elite blue chip level.
If you get the chance, and they open up the pocketbook to make you a top 5 highest paid coach, then you to Baton Rouge or Gainesville vs staying in Oxford.
I am 95% certain it is going to happen, because in probably 95% of similar setups, we have seen the coach in these instances, take the leap.
Ole Miss is not a destination job. It is a great place and a proud program, but it is stepping stone to the elite jobs or to the NFL.
I believe he stays in college but simply makes the jump up in brand.
That is LSU or Florida.
No other job is open that have the appeal (Penn State would in other circumstances but the fit is not right either way for that one).
Charles0619
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I don’t really disagree with what you’re saying about Ole Miss and Oxford, but you are out of your mind if you think Kiffin is a coaching prodigy. Look at his resume - 16 years as a head coach - a complete failure in the NFL, then mediocrity at Tennessee and USC followed by 2 decent years out of 3 at FAU and then finally some success at Ole Miss. He’s a top tier offensive coordinator but terrible at making in game adjustments and has a terrible track record on the road against ranked opponents. I think he gets overrated with the social media presence and swagger but that is smoke and mirrors. Maybe he is better suited for continued success in this era of NIL but I doubt it. He’s a good talent evaluator and good OC but an average head coach.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
100%
twinkie13
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Exactly! What has that netted TAMU and TX in the last however many years.
You think those schools just started paying players?
twinkie13
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Although he did pluck Tracy Porter from LA to Indiana to SB sealing/winning INT
He has definitely come a long way and I credit Nick Saban for rehabilitating him in the coaching world just like he with Sark.
Lane is clearly doing something right because he is without a doubt the hottest coaching name in the CFB world right now.
It is not even close.
And as you and I can agree, it is because he is not at a destination job at the moment.
If he is doing this at a top-level historical giant like LSU or Florida, the only rumors right now would be the NFL, nothing else.
We don't know the future of the transfer portal and NIL and without the Portal he does not get Trinidad and who knows where they are right now.
If I am him I go to a blue-chip blue-blood program so that if the transfer portal gets choked up (it already is getting squeezed starting in January with a smaller window) and NIL is the name of the game, then if I am him i go to LSU or Florida and really it is probably a toss up between the two because they both have insane resources ie tons and tons and tons of money and are well branded historically.
Two Utes
Manual Toothbrushes FTW
Agreed. A good fit for both.
KJ
Minister of Communication
Think he's got a pretty well-built recruiting base in place around there already as well.
Ugh. We better beat the Hokies this year
This is a perfect fit both ways.
Less expectations and on the other end they'll be happy as can be with 8-9 wins.
If this is true this is absolutely asinine of OLE MISS to do this.
If true, he is 99% gone from OLE MISS. gone gone gone
Ole Miss could fire Lane Kiffin before College Football Playoff
If true, he is 99% gone from OLE MISS. gone gone gone
Ole Miss could fire Lane Kiffin before College Football Playoff
Two Utes
Manual Toothbrushes FTW
The anti- BK.
Frank Costanza
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Good hire, agree.
But the job's already aged Franklin 15 years and he's not even set up his office in Blacksburg.
Frank Costanza
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Seems like someone else would be coaching the Egg Bowl if the case.
Interesting stuff. I'd hate to see Kiffin leave Ole Miss.
Grovehard
Rejecting A World In Which Alabama Wins
There is 0% chance he's "fired." Ole Miss would then owe him a buyout. It's not happening.
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Brewers888
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It would be nice if Lane rewarded Ole Miss for giving him this chance like Cignetti did with Indiana but he's still a rat until proven otherwise. He won't be as appreciated at LSU or Florida as he is now and that is something he should consider before leaving for the job with the bigger name brand.
Charles0619
Well-Known Member
Very good points!
Grovehard
Rejecting A World In Which Alabama Wins
Which program has more national appeal and is a larger brand: Indiana or Penn State?
College football changed with the portal and NIL. What a program did or was in 1976, 1996, or 2006 simply isn't all that relevant to what a program is in 2025. Ole Miss currently has the highest paid offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator in the SEC. Ole Miss has given Kiffin the keys to the kingdom which has allowed him to acquire and retain talent about as well as anyone in this era. If Kiffin wants to go to LSU or Florida, and I think he would be crazy to take UF over LSU, then fine, but it says more about what Kiffin personally believes and prefers than it does about the Ole Miss job in a vacuum.
bones
Sic Semper Tyrannis!
Life is about far more than money. He has plenty. To leave Oxford to move to Baton Rouge is crazy imo.
"Bloom where you are planted & "Grass is always greener" come to mind. He's got a "bird in the hand." (that's 3 too many idioms) His life and his choice. (ok, 4 too many)
twinkie13
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I hate to nit pick but I’m pretty sure LSU pays Blake Baker the most money not only in the SEC but in the USA for this dogshit product
Frank Costanza
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Carousel may get turned up a notch if the Sarkisian mess continues to develop more.
More smoke. We will see about a fire.
More smoke. We will see about a fire.
Grovehard
Rejecting A World In Which Alabama Wins
Looks like Durkin was making more but not Baker:
Rebels' Golding among top-paid DCs with new deal
Ole Miss defensive coordinator Pete Golding has signed a three-year contract extension that places him among the top four highest-paid defensive coordinators in college football.
Brewers888
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Wasn't Blake Baker the coordinator for Miami he's awful.
twinkie13
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He was at Mizzou before LSU
Brewers888
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Just looked it up he was at Miami from 2019-2020.
Charles0619
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Agree with everything you said. Program history means very little now. Also from ESPN article today: Ole Miss officials have made it clear to Kiffin and Sexton that the Rebels would match any contract offer the Gators and Tigers might make, the sources told ESPN.
If he leaves, it’s ego, narcissism, and stupidity. Expectations will still be higher at Florida and especially LSU because their fan bases EXPECT contention for the NC every year.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
While it's true that there are many programs that are now willing to make the necessary investments with coaching salaries and player acquisition, it's more important than ever to have alignment with the program and the school, not to mention being able to corral a growing booster base that feels they deserve a say in the program because they are paying for the players. To be successful year over year, it's not just about throwing money at the problem. Otherwise, there would be different names at the top of the rankings. All that to say, if Lane has that at Ole Miss, and chooses to go somewhere it doesn't exist, then I doubt he will be anywhere near as successful as he's been the last few years
Frank Costanza
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Sark on Texas exit talk: 'I am not going anywhere'
Texas coach Steve Sarkisian pushed back against claims that he is looking to leave the program, saying he is "not going anywhere."
Just a gut that it's 50 / 50 on him being the coach next season. Good deal of scuttle relating to off-the-field things plus a lack of willingness to ditch his play calling and become a full-time head coach.
KJ
Minister of Communication
I agree with the premise but if he gets another shot at the pros I wouldn't say it's ego (well a little on that one), narcissism nor stupidity. There's a ton of kissing ass that has to happen with boosters and a completely different level of work with NIL/portal these days that would get a lot of people who've been coaching for years to be thrilled to not deal with any of it at the next level.
I know im in the minority but I think whoever overpays for Kiffin will regret it. Just like Sark I think he's average. Done great at Ole Miss I admit but I still remember all the fiascos, which happened in high profile high pressure situations. He's at 11m now and ole miss will match. Take the new money and stay at Ole Miss. No pressure compared to these other guys. Not even close. That matters. Imo he'd be a fool to leave.
Would love to see Gruden Arkansas, Urban back to Florida, and Ed back to LSU. LOL never happen but would be fun
Would love to see Gruden Arkansas, Urban back to Florida, and Ed back to LSU. LOL never happen but would be fun
Charles0619
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KJ
Minister of Communication
Well he does at least have NFL experience and his father obviously has elite pro experience as well. I wouldn't even dismiss Atlanta as a potential landing spot if Morris is one and done there. I imagine whatever he does won't go much farther than the Southern part of the country at this point although I've seen more than one suggestion of him going to the Giants and going that route with Dart firmly in place.I never really thought of that angle. I could see him bolting for the Dolphins in January and pissing everyone in the college game off
Brewers888
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There have been off the field rumors about him for a long time now.Sark on Texas exit talk: 'I am not going anywhere'
Texas coach Steve Sarkisian pushed back against claims that he is looking to leave the program, saying he is "not going anywhere."www.espn.com
Just a gut that it's 50 / 50 on him being the coach next season. Good deal of scuttle relating to off-the-field things plus a lack of willingness to ditch his play calling and become a full-time head coach.
Brewers888
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Everyone other than LSU fans would like to see Orgeron back there.
twinkie13
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Staff sure