Week 9 Discussion Thread

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VirginiaCavs

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Oct 28 Thu 2021

6:30 PM
109Troy+18½
-111		O 52½
-112
110Coastal Carolina-18½
-109		U 52½
-108
6:30 PM
111South Florida+9½
-110		O 58
-105
112East Carolina-9½
-110		U 58
-115
Oct 29 Fri 2021

6:30 PM
113Navy+9½
+100		O 48½
-105
114Tulsa-9½
-120		U 48½
-115
9:00 PM
115UNLV+20½
-110		O 58
-110
116Nevada-20½
-110		U 58
-110
Oct 30 Sat 2021

11:00 AM
117Iowa+3½
-112		O 36½
-105
118Wisconsin-3½
-108		U 36½
-115
11:00 AM
119Bowling Green+12
-105		O 53½
-105
120Buffalo-12
-115		U 53½
-115
11:00 AM
123Michigan-3½
-105		O 50½
-110
124Michigan State+1 Markets+3½
-115		U 50½
-110
11:00 AM
133Indiana+2½
-110		O 51
-110
134Maryland-2½
-110		U 51
-110
11:00 AM
137Miami Florida+11
-115		O 63
-110
138Pittsburgh+1 Markets-11
-105		U 63
-110
11:00 AM
139Rutgerspk
-115		O 42
-112
140Illinois+1 Marketspk
-105		U 42
-108
11:00 AM
143Central Florida-11
-104		O 53
-110
144Temple+1 Markets+11
-116		U 53
-110
11:00 AM
145Virginia Tech+3
-105		O 55½
-115
146Georgia Tech+1 Markets-3
-115		U 55½
-105
11:00 AM
149Massachusetts+36½
-110		O 60
-110
150Liberty+1 Markets-36½
-110		U 60
-110
11:00 AM
175Texas State+21
-110		O 56
-110
176UL Lafayette+1 Markets-21
-110		U 56
-110
11:00 AM
193Texas+1½
-103		O 63½
-105
194Baylor+1 Markets-1½
-117		U 63½
-115
11:00 AM
199Cincinnati-24
-110		O 63½
-105
200Tulane+1 Markets+24
-110		U 63½
-115
1:00 PM
131Iowa State-6½
-115		O 47½
-110
132West Virginia+1 Markets+6½
-105		U 47½
-110
1:00 PM
151North Texas+1½
-110		O 55
-110
152Rice-1½
-110		U 55
-110
2:00 PM
153Hawaii+6½
-110		O 67
-110
154Utah State-6½
-110		U 67
-110
2:00 PM
159Washington State+14½
-108		O 51
-110
160Arizona State+1 Markets-14½
-112		U 51
-110
2:00 PM
181Missouri-16½
-114		O 62
-110
182Vanderbilt+1 Markets+16½
-106		U 62
-110
2:30 PM
127Boston College+4
-110		O 51
-110
128Syracuse+1 Markets-4
-110		U 51
-110
2:30 PM
141Minnesota-7½
-115		O 43
-110
142Northwestern+1 Markets+7½
-105		U 43
-110
2:30 PM
147Florida State+10
-108		O 46½
-115
148Clemson+1 Markets-10
-112		U 46½
-105
2:30 PM
167Colorado+25½
-105		O 48
-112
168Oregon+1 Markets-25½
-115		U 48
-108
2:30 PM
169Florida International+21
-105		O 66
-110
170Marshall-21
-115		U 66
-110
2:30 PM
173Louisiana Tech-5½
-105		O 54
-110
174Old Dominion+5½
-115		U 54
-110
2:30 PM
177Southern Miss+14
-115		O 49
-105
178Middle Tennessee State-14
-105		U 49
-115
2:30 PM
179Purdue+7
-107		O 47½
-115
180Nebraska+1 Markets-7
-113		U 47½
-105
2:30 PM
183TCU+3
-109		O 60
-105
184Kansas State+1 Markets-3
-111		U 60
-115
2:30 PM
187Texas Tech+19
-110		O 68½
-105
188Oklahoma+1 Markets-19
-110		U 68½
-115
2:30 PM
197Georgia-14
-108		O 50½
-110
198Florida+14
-112		U 50½
-110
2:30 PM
201UL Monroe+27
-105		O 59
-115
202Appalachian State-27
-115		U 59
-105
3:00 PM
121Duke+16½
-108		O 68½
-115
122Wake Forest+1 Markets-16½
-112		U 68½
-105
3:00 PM
165Wyoming+3
-104		O 40
-105
166San Jose State+1 Markets-3
-116		U 40
-115
3:00 PM
205Charlotte+18½
-115		O 73
-105
206Western Kentucky-18½
-105		U 73
-115
4:00 PM
203Arkansas State+9½
-105		O 66
-115
204South Alabama+1 Markets-9½
-115		U 66
-105
5:00 PM
129Georgia State-5
-113		O 56½
-105
130Georgia Southern+5
-107		U 56½
-115
5:00 PM
135UTEP+12½
-110		O 47
-112
136Florida Atlantic-12½
-110		U 47
-108
6:00 PM
161Oregon State-2½
-115		O 55½
-115
162California+1 Markets+2½
-105		U 55½
-105
6:00 PM
163Arizona+20½
-110		O 55½
-112
164USC+1 Markets-20½
-110		U 55½
-108
6:00 PM
171Kansas+30½
-110		O 55½
-110
172Oklahoma State+1 Markets-30½
-110		U 55½
-110
6:00 PM
185Kentucky-1
-115		O 47½
-110
186Mississippi State+1 Markets+1
-105		U 47½
-110
6:00 PM
191SMU+1
-105		O 62
-115
192Houston+1 Markets-1
-115		U 62
-105
6:00 PM
195Mississippi+1
-105		O 66½
-115
196Auburn+1 Markets-1
-115		U 66½
-105
6:00 PM
207Boise State-2½
-110		O 49½
-115
208Colorado State+2½
-110		U 49½
-105
6:30 PM
125Louisville+7
-110		O 58
-115
126NC State+1 Markets-7
-110		U 58
-105
6:30 PM
189Penn State+17
-115		O 58½
-115
190Ohio State+1 Markets-17
-105		U 58½
-105
6:30 PM
209North Carolina+3½
-115		O 63
-115
210Notre Dame-3½
-105		U 63
-105
9:00 PM
157UCLA+4½
-110		O 60½
-110
158Utah+1 Markets-4½
-110		U 60½
-110
9:15 PM
155Virginia+2½
-105		O 63½
-115
156BYU+1 Markets-2½
-115		U 63½
-105
9:30 PM
211Washington+2½
-110		O 48
-110
212Stanford+1 Markets-2½
-110		U 48
-110
9:30 PM
213Fresno State+1
-115		O 46½
-110
214San Diego State-1
-105		U 46½
-110
 
M.W. said:
Looks like a great card.
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Really? Maybe I’ll get to that conclusion eventually but my 1st thought was “shit, I’m gonna have to do a lot of work to come up with 6–10 plays!”., lol. Sometimes these work out better for me than cards where everything looks good at 1st glance. Never know!
 
I’ll take ville +7 please, hope this not overreacting to NCst fuckinb us all last week but I don’t think so, id prob like ville even more had they beat canes. I get the way better qb and a td? I said last week I thought ville defense was getting a bad rap cause all the explosive offenses they have faced and they came out and did a great job against a not as good BC offense.

Not gonna get into my thoughts bout ncst play calling and how terrible it is at times, or how good they can be when they give both rbs 15+ touches. I’d assume after a garbage game plan last week they will get back to feeding the rbs this week. If they don’t and have Leary throwing 40+ times again ville will win. I expect they won’t do that again but even if they come with the right game plan and play their best ville will be in it, bottom line is ville being underrated here as I think they right there with the other acc teams not named Pitt. Remember they had a 4th qrtr expected win share over 80% at wake and 90% vs uva in a game they absolutely should have won! I dunno if they win this game but it damn sure be close imo. Cunningham will be able to make plays on this defense that just got abused by a freshman who been incredibly inaccurate till facing the Wolfpack d. This easily the best offense ncst will have faced this year. Imo there no way this should be more than 3/4 tops.
 
The few weeknight games totally suck this week.

I love me some Ecu as a dog but laying 9 points? Usf has shown a lot of fight recently and then the hard work culminated in blasting a pretty bad temple team last week. They have hung inside this number with a few teams I think are better than ecu. Don’t believe ecu should be laying this kinda number here. I think they will prob get the W i have to look closer but make no mistake usf should be live here.
 
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Hokies/gtech a interesting game. Sure was hoping Gtech be dogs here, wishful thinking I guess, lol. After watching cuse qb make plays running and passing all over Hokies I’m pretty confident in saying Simms gonna be a real pain in the ass for vatech to contain!

The question is what will Hokies be able to do offensively? Some their games lately I have no idea how they managing to score these decent point totals they putting up? I sure didn’t think they be able to run as well they did on cuse. Looking at the box score still not sure how they scored 29 on Irish? Certainly wasn’t the offense doing the heavy lifting!

Kinda makes me lean over but I know when I look closer at this game I’m gonna see Gtech run d should be able to make life tough on Hokies and then what? Burmiester will have to make plays w his legs but he also gonna have to take advantage of jackets weak pass d, whether he can do that I dunno? As of now I’d say lean jackets and over but TBD at this point.
 
No way would I lay the points with coastal but I have work to do here to see if there a play to be made on Troy or some kind of team total?
 
Mizzou should be able to pass all over vandy, after the bye and against the only sec team I can say worse than them id expect good offensive numbers. Still no freaking chance I can lay -16.5, how the hell can that even be right when mississippi st was -20 vs them last week? Sip st is more than 3.5 better than mizzou imo. But how can ya back vandy? Thinking mizzou team total over, guessing should be around 38/39? That kinda a big number for mizzou but considering vandy has allowed that to every power 5 other than scary and doesn’t seem unreasonable.
 
Anyone have the balls to try and predict what happens when the hoosiers and terps get together? I don’t! Lol.
 
Everyone knows I love Pitt but I don’t want to lay -11 here off their biggest win of the year. I could try and say beating clemson wasn’t all that incredible this year but try telling them that! Lol. Can canes protect van dyke? He carved up Ncst but i don’t know if that what he is? Maybe the kid is progressing? This could be a scary game for Pitt or they could blast them, lol.

Off top my head I wanna say I think pitt will look to get more a run game going this week, as much we think of them as Pickett slinging it around they do a pretty good job trying to maintain balance, even last week they had 30ish attempts. Sometimes they have more success with the run than others but I like they continue keeping it close to a 50/50 mix most weeks (you hear that ncst, Pitt has a future nfl qb and no rb as talented as your 2 and they still maintain balance! Crazy huh you stupid fucks! Just saying). I think that will pay off huge in this one, matter a fact I wouldn’t be surprised to see them have success on ground and run even more than usual in this one.

I didn’t realize till just looking now canes have owned Pitt beating them 6 of the last 7 years, wow. That right there is enough for me to say no chance I’d consider taking canes w the points. Even tho van dyke has shown improvement since taking over pitt d is gonna be the nastiest he has seen. If canes become one dimensional and have him slinging it as much he has the last few weeks it gonna be a tough day for him I think. If canes have any sense they will try to run even if they not having much success doing so. I could really see this playing out a lower scoring than canes games have been recently. Not because they can stop Pitt so much but just cause I could see Pitt putting together some time consuming drives. While writing this I’ve already started thinking -11 might not be high enough just thinking bout the ways I could see it playin out. Still don’t want to lay it but will look into other ways to possibly be involved. I’ll come back to this later.
 
Anyone wanna guess how BC/cuse Plays out? Cuse has been great to us as dogs the past month but are we ready to lay points with them? All the crying I did for BC when they lost their qb, it now showing why, they struggling trying to get by with this Grosel kid, quite frankly he sucks and think the poor qb play is wearing on the rest of the team.

After seeing the problems BC had with Cunningham last week ya gotta think they could have problems defending Shrader who looks kinda similar to me. Should be a ton of rushing attempts in this game, thinking equates to a lower score game. Kinda tough cause cuse been playing high scoring games in the acc while BC the opposite. I’d have said the high scoring cuse games of late been opponent related but then they have a shootout w offensively challenged Vatech who was able to turn good special teams and sting rushing attack into lot of scoring chances. Same thing could be said of ville and high scoring acc games until they ran into BC. Think the same thing gonna happen here.

BC doesn’t have any route to easy or fast points (as long as they not playing mizzou who allows everyone to turn 5 yard runs into 80 yarders!). Grosel doesnt pose much threat to push the ball down field or any threat with his legs which makes a lot tougher on garwo who hadn’t been able to duplicate any his big out of conf games since acc play began. This forcing BC to try to methodically drive the field and the problem there is any penalties kills them or Grosel prone to make a mistake. Cuse been reasonably good defending the red zone so it really tough for me to find a lot of points for bc here. 20-23 maybe?

Could be Bc defense can learn from the issues Cunningham caused their run defense last week. They do have a solid defensive coach and as I mentioned what cuse doing with Shrader and Tucker seems kinda similar. I feel pretty good saying this a game played in low 20s by both teams. I can’t back cuse laying 3.5 but under 51.5 I do think has some value.
 
Wow. Wiscy is favored again!?!?! I understood it last week for a number of reasons, I certainly had no interest in Purdue. This tho, this is either really disrespectful to iowa or wiscy still getting way too much respect.

Neither team is gonna be able to run the ball we know that, imo that is huge advantage iowa! Anyone here want to back Mertz vs this ball hawking secondary that just had a bye week to stew over their loss to Purdue? We can knock iowa all we want but truth is they still control their destiny, if they win out and beat osu (or one the Michigan’s, we all know it prob be osu) in the big10 championship it don’t matter what anyone says bout them they would and should be in playoff. I don’t think they have a chance in hell to beat osu but that neither here nor there. I think they have a great chance to beat wiscy and we getting points! This one a no brainer imo, forget what they looked like before Clifford got hurt or against Purdue cause both those teams had capable QBs which we know the path to beating iowa, and something Mertz will never be accused of being!! Am I missing something here? Anyone like wiscy?


Oh and how bout this total!! No opinion just thought it be fun to talk bout!! It even lower than most the service academy matchups I like playing under in! Totally justified but no way I play it, Mertz could throw 4 picks and we have seen what iowa can do with those! If wiscy refuses to throw no matter what then it goes way under! Lol
 
2daBank said:
Really? Maybe I’ll get to that conclusion eventually but my 1st thought was “shit, I’m gonna have to do a lot of work to come up with 6–10 plays!”., lol. Sometimes these work out better for me than cards where everything looks good at 1st glance. Never know!
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Biggest card of the year so far for me....have 24 locked in...
 
Really big game for West Virginia to show up home vs Iowa State after being absolutely humiliated in Ames last year. Something about this matchup has been bad for WVU, ISU has won the last 3 (ever since Purdy took over) by 110-34.

Anytime Iowa State is TD fav I have to consider the fact that through 3 games this year and going back to 2018, 2019 and excluding games vs Kansas; ISU vs Big Xll has been 1 score games 12 of the last 20 games have been decided by 7 pts or less. But two of those 8 wins that weren't, were big wins vs WVU.
 
2daBank said:
Everyone knows I love Pitt but I don’t want to lay -11 here off their biggest win of the year. I could try and say beating clemson wasn’t all that incredible this year but try telling them that! Lol. Can canes protect van dyke? He carved up Ncst but i don’t know if that what he is? Maybe the kid is progressing? This could be a scary game for Pitt or they could blast them, lol.

Off top my head I wanna say I think pitt will look to get more a run game going this week, as much we think of them as Pickett slinging it around they do a pretty good job trying to maintain balance, even last week they had 30ish attempts. Sometimes they have more success with the run than others but I like they continue keeping it close to a 50/50 mix most weeks (you hear that ncst, Pitt has a future nfl qb and no rb as talented as your 2 and they still maintain balance! Crazy huh you stupid fucks! Just saying). I think that will pay off huge in this one, matter a fact I wouldn’t be surprised to see them have success on ground and run even more than usual in this one.

I didn’t realize till just looking now canes have owned Pitt beating them 6 of the last 7 years, wow. That right there is enough for me to say no chance I’d consider taking canes w the points. Even tho van dyke has shown improvement since taking over pitt d is gonna be the nastiest he has seen. If canes become one dimensional and have him slinging it as much he has the last few weeks it gonna be a tough day for him I think. If canes have any sense they will try to run even if they not having much success doing so. I could really see this playing out a lower scoring than canes games have been recently. Not because they can stop Pitt so much but just cause I could see Pitt putting together some time consuming drives. While writing this I’ve already started thinking -11 might not be high enough just thinking bout the ways I could see it playin out. Still don’t want to lay it but will look into other ways to possibly be involved. I’ll come back to this later.
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No way i could lay with pitt here. Clemson has been their cryptonite for years. Pitt pulls it out, but think it will be close. For some reason, miami is playing some inspired football lately.
 
2daBank said:
I’ll take ville +7 please, hope this not overreacting to NCst fuckinb us all last week but I don’t think so, id prob like ville even more had they beat canes. I get the way better qb and a td? I said last week I thought ville defense was getting a bad rap cause all the explosive offenses they have faced and they came out and did a great job against a not as good BC offense.

Not gonna get into my thoughts bout ncst play calling and how terrible it is at times, or how good they can be when they give both rbs 15+ touches. I’d assume after a garbage game plan last week they will get back to feeding the rbs this week. If they don’t and have Leary throwing 40+ times again ville will win. I expect they won’t do that again but even if they come with the right game plan and play their best ville will be in it, bottom line is ville being underrated here as I think they right there with the other acc teams not named Pitt. Remember they had a 4th qrtr expected win share over 80% at wake and 90% vs uva in a game they absolutely should have won! I dunno if they win this game but it damn sure be close imo. Cunningham will be able to make plays on this defense that just got abused by a freshman who been incredibly inaccurate till facing the Wolfpack d. This easily the best offense ncst will have faced this year. Imo there no way this should be more than 3/4 tops.
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NC St should be able to control line of scrimmage here and somewhat contain cunningham. I think ole miss D is the most comparable that ville has seen this year and held them to 24 on around 4 yd/play. Need to dig deeper, but think its pack or nothing for me, as i think state D is bette than ole miss.
 
2daBank said:
Hokies/gtech a interesting game. Sure was hoping Gtech be dogs here, wishful thinking I guess, lol. After watching cuse qb make plays running and passing all over Hokies I’m pretty confident in saying Simms gonna be a real pain in the ass for vatech to contain!

The question is what will Hokies be able to do offensively? Some their games lately I have no idea how they managing to score these decent point totals they putting up? I sure didn’t think they be able to run as well they did on cuse. Looking at the box score still not sure how they scored 29 on Irish? Certainly wasn’t the offense doing the heavy lifting!

Kinda makes me lean over but I know when I look closer at this game I’m gonna see Gtech run d should be able to make life tough on Hokies and then what? Burmiester will have to make plays w his legs but he also gonna have to take advantage of jackets weak pass d, whether he can do that I dunno? As of now I’d say lean jackets and over but TBD at this point.
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Figures to be higher pace, back and forth game
to me. Burmeister has shit stats but seems to get it done when he needs to. Can do some damage with his legs, to keep drives alive at least. I just know that everytime i looked up last week against the solid cuse D, Burmeister was making a play with his legs or his arm. I think GT is too much for VT, but like over a good bit.
 
Really liking Utah St -5-1/2 over Hawaii.
We know they don’t travel well to the mainland (holding up again this year). This game is scheduled to start at 1pm local time, which is 9am Hawaii time. Cordero may be back at Qb for Hi but still dealing with AC Joint sprain. USU quite capable here
 
jdoggoakley said:
Really liking Utah St -5-1/2 over Hawaii.
We know they don’t travel well to the mainland (holding up again this year). This game is scheduled to start at 1pm local time, which is 9am Hawaii time. Cordero may be back at Qb for Hi but still dealing with AC Joint sprain. USU quite capable here
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Makes sense to be honest...

At Nevada, which was a physical game... back home for the 2nd NMSU game and now an early start in the rockies...

I haven't looked at USU since that Boise Game...for good reason...but I think you are onto something here...
 
jdoggoakley said:
Really liking Utah St -5-1/2 over Hawaii.
We know they don’t travel well to the mainland (holding up again this year). This game is scheduled to start at 1pm local time, which is 9am Hawaii time. Cordero may be back at Qb for Hi but still dealing with AC Joint sprain. USU quite capable here
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Hawaii should be pissed at the schedule makers for putting the home game between the two, they either could have swapped dates with NMSU or just gone to Las Cruces again, not like they're raking any revenue in at home. Cost of all that travel I'd think is more than staying on the mainland for three weeks in hotels
 
jdoggoakley said:
Really liking Utah St -5-1/2 over Hawaii.
We know they don’t travel well to the mainland (holding up again this year). This game is scheduled to start at 1pm local time, which is 9am Hawaii time. Cordero may be back at Qb for Hi but still dealing with AC Joint sprain. USU quite capable here
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Talk about 2 teams that a royal pain in the ass. I won’t even try to guess how this will go cause it would no doubt be the total opposite, lol. Id think good spot to fade Hawaii and you could definitely argue some value in Utah st laying 5.5, I mean they were -7 at unlv so you def buying low. My biggest concern w them would be if Tyler jr playing? I think it a pretty big drop off from him to their other rbs, but they did manage to win without him last week so wtf do I know?
 
mcculran said:
Figures to be higher pace, back and forth game
to me. Burmeister has shit stats but seems to get it done when he needs to. Can do some damage with his legs, to keep drives alive at least. I just know that everytime i looked up last week against the solid cuse D, Burmeister was making a play with his legs or his arm. I think GT is too much for VT, but like over a good bit.
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Yea. I sure didn’t expect them to score that much on cuse. When you look at both their acc results 56 feels awful low. Only games they didn’t clear that easily was gtech/clemson (all their games low) and vtech vs pit which was played in lot of wind. Think it over or nothing, I don’t see any reason to lay -4 with jackets.
 
twinkie13 said:
Pratt QB for Tulane is in concussion protocol and might not be available on Sat..
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Wonder if a more running QB and gameplan would be better for them given how bad their OL is?

Something wrong this year. It's like Hall took over Willie's O was pretty good, then Hall left and they can't do anything and the QB isn't set up for the old Willie O now.

Not sure if it's right, but Tulane hasn't beaten a ranked team since 1984 or something like that?
 
For some reason I can’t quote that post Frank, those are pretty damn impressive views!! Beautiful scenery!! Perfect time of year for them also!!!
 
The team that never punts and onside kicks…

Presbyterian FCS school….take a look on their overs….

Think only game that was under was against Morehead State….

Their totals are line in the 80-90 range….

I forgot to play them last week. I’m 1-1 so far on their totals. They went over 2 weeks straight after that under against Morehead St.

They playing at 1pm this Saturday.
 
s--k said:
Wonder if a more running QB and gameplan would be better for them given how bad their OL is?

Something wrong this year. It's like Hall took over Willie's O was pretty good, then Hall left and they can't do anything and the QB isn't set up for the old Willie O now.

Not sure if it's right, but Tulane hasn't beaten a ranked team since 1984 or something like that?
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Yes, something is wrong. On paper this is his best or close to it team he has had.

The Country Day kid is banged up too, so looks like it might be Kai
 
OK the line I don't get this week is the washington state line. It keeps rising.

wazzou just played the entire pack 12 to close games it feels like, utah , cal, byu , oregon state.
 
EL CAPO said:
OK the line I don't get this week is the washington state line. It keeps rising.

wazzou just played the entire pack 12 to close games it feels like, utah , cal, byu , oregon state.
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I thought it was high as well. I haven't looked at lines yet today, saw 15 yesterday so assuming it might've ticked higher now then.

Closest explaination I can offer is Wash St was +15 at Utah. And ASU was pk/+1/-1 at Utah so perhaps from a PR standpoint the line is justified. However, like you say, some adjustment should've been done to Wazzou's number, starting with that +15 line in SLC, they have covered 5 straight including 3 outright wins! Then Stanford was +13 in Tempe and Stanford was -1/-2 at Wazzou, so that puts them in the same neighborhood.

I suspect many people are going to think the team crashes now with last week their last effort playing for Rolo (even though he wasn't there last week the team could have the rally mentality). I don't know. They have actaully proven to be pretty solid unit. The O isn't as good as maybe it should be, but the D is better than expected.

ASU either beats everyone by DD or they lose straight up. That is what they have done so far.

I think the line is high at 15 although I could see something in the 13/14 range as being not all that surprising based off of prior lines.
 
Was hoping ASU would fall from 14.5 but it went up to 15 so I've done nothing, will be on the Devils in some fashion, wind out of WSU sails I would think finally, not sure how they kept BYU as close as they did. Their emotion game was the previous week, they all knew he'd be gone.
 
ASU secondary is thought pretty highly of, which is important. W St actually runs it quite a bit though. Wazzou fans continually want more Borghi!

I can't argue for or against the physiological or emotional angle because I understand the angle. Outside of that, they are just damn solid team. Question for me would be, how much better is ASU compared to that? I'm pretty sure their absolute best is quite good. When they play like that. They look pretty good, but in watching some of their games vs UNLV or Colorado or Stanford I was kinda, meh. But then vs UCLA, that ASU team is pretty 'wow'.
 
s--k said:
I thought it was high as well. I haven't looked at lines yet today, saw 15 yesterday so assuming it might've ticked higher now then.

Closest explaination I can offer is Wash St was +15 at Utah. And ASU was pk/+1/-1 at Utah so perhaps from a PR standpoint the line is justified. However, like you say, some adjustment should've been done to Wazzou's number, starting with that +15 line in SLC, they have covered 5 straight including 3 outright wins! Then Stanford was +13 in Tempe and Stanford was -1/-2 at Wazzou, so that puts them in the same neighborhood.

I suspect many people are going to think the team crashes now with last week their last effort playing for Rolo (even though he wasn't there last week the team could have the rally mentality). I don't know. They have actaully proven to be pretty solid unit. The O isn't as good as maybe it should be, but the D is better than expected.

ASU either beats everyone by DD or they lose straight up. That is what they have done so far.

I think the line is high at 15 although I could see something in the 13/14 range as being not all that surprising based off of prior lines.
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Someone told me 71 percent of tickets and 91 percent cash on arizona state.....I guess I don't get it. Why was the BYU line last week though like only 4 ? BYU been lined pretty similar to asu by vegas. byu beat utah and arizona state.

I respect the new coach for Washington State. Came from Wyoming. That's the biggest thing this team seems to be playing better d this year as you said - I can't think the coaching thing could be affecting the line this much.

Herm Edwards if we go into his past too me has always been a bad favorite. Look at the stanford game this year they shut it down. I think herm's nature is conservative. Maybe they don't now since it cost em vs utah ? ASU pass d has good parts to it but I feel they give up alot of easy completions underneath - utah and stanford kinda picked them apart. BYU pass d pretty good is pretty good too and wazzou managed that.

Wazzou rush defense is weak - zona state could move it pretty well on offense but I'm looking at the scores here and washington state is just playing good teams tuff as heck.
 
what kind of chance do we think troy has to hang around with Coastal? troy has played a pretty weak schedule (so has cc) but their run d ranks are really strong. Coastal lost their undefeated season last week, letdown or mad? if we can get something out the troy offense i dont see why they cant stay within 2 scores, i really dont like going against coastal with these lessor schools tho, they do not take their foot off the gas. troy did hold libery to 21 points so they def capable, they got a few much needed W's heading into their bye so they should have some momentum. certainly cant hurt they had a off week while cc was in a battle with appy st! initially i was thinking square and just playing CC team total over cause looks like it should a lot lower than most their totals against the middling teams in conf, the more i looked the more that didnt seem like a good idea tho!! anyone like troy? am i crazy?
 
2daBank said:
what kind of chance do we think troy has to hang around with Coastal? troy has played a pretty weak schedule (so has cc) but their run d ranks are really strong. Coastal lost their undefeated season last week, letdown or mad? if we can get something out the troy offense i dont see why they cant stay within 2 scores, i really dont like going against coastal with these lessor schools tho, they do not take their foot off the gas. troy did hold libery to 21 points so they def capable, they got a few much needed W's heading into their bye so they should have some momentum. certainly cant hurt they had a off week while cc was in a battle with appy st! initially i was thinking square and just playing CC team total over cause looks like it should a lot lower than most their totals against the middling teams in conf, the more i looked the more that didnt seem like a good idea tho!! anyone like troy? am i crazy?
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Would be Troy or nothing for me, unlike bigger teams who lose, Coastal lost their one chance at a NY6 bowl...and it was a physical game as well
 
KJ said:
Would be Troy or nothing for me, unlike bigger teams who lose, Coastal lost their one chance at a NY6 bowl...and it was a physical game as well
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yea, i woulda preferred it had been on saturday tho, when did they play that game, wed wasnt it? cause i liked appy but didnt even freaking realize it was on that day till it was too late!! lol. it always kinda tough to know how much weight to give defensive numbers like troy excellent looking run d (on paper) when they have played a lot of pretty weak teams.. that said allowing 2.5 ypc nothing to sneeze at, nor is holding Liberty to 21 earlier in the year. they have also played CC really tough the last few years, 4 point loss last season and a 1 point game the year before (troy was 12 point dogs last year so familiar territory). troy def the only way i could play it, the question is are they worth a play or just a pass? i know between the 2 games i like usf more, i think they could beat ecu and i have no belief troy can pull the upset.
 
The best play on the card this week is Oklahoma State. Kansas is the worst road team in college football, they're in a monumental letdown spot, and they're traveling into the Oklahoma State homecoming buzzsaw -- with a pointspread that is half a point lower than pure power ratings (using a standard three-point HFA).
 
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M.W. said:
The best play on the card this week is Oklahoma State. Kansas is the worst road team in college football, they're in a monumental letdown spot, and they're traveling into the Oklahoma State homecoming buzzsaw -- with a pointspread that is half a point lower than pure power ratings with a three-point HFA.
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Wernt we talking about a few weeks ago that teams wernt good to bet during homecoming week? Also, didn’t you say iowa was in a bad spot this week? I assumed that was because they off their 1st loss of the year just as cowboys are?

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Cowboys a bad play, last few years it mostly been a good move laying the wood against Ku no matter the number. I even faded them a lot last year and I hate laying big numbers. There def no way I would play ku. Just trying to figure out why this be a good spot to play cowboys from situational standpoint outside the obvious of ku off the heart breaking loss to Ou? I have no doubt from a x”a and o’s they the right side. I’m just working on trying to be better with the situational stuff so curious.
 
2daBank said:
yea, i woulda preferred it had been on saturday tho, when did they play that game, wed wasnt it? cause i liked appy but didnt even freaking realize it was on that day till it was too late!! lol. it always kinda tough to know how much weight to give defensive numbers like troy excellent looking run d (on paper) when they have played a lot of pretty weak teams.. that said allowing 2.5 ypc nothing to sneeze at, nor is holding Liberty to 21 earlier in the year. they have also played CC really tough the last few years, 4 point loss last season and a 1 point game the year before (troy was 12 point dogs last year so familiar territory). troy def the only way i could play it, the question is are they worth a play or just a pass? i know between the 2 games i like usf more, i think they could beat ecu and i have no belief troy can pull the upset.
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I kind of like Troy TT over 16.5. I don't think this is unreasonable. I went to school there for a year and can remember them beating a Brad Smith Mizzou team on a weeknight. They seem to get up for ESPN.
 
M.W. said:
The best play on the card this week is Oklahoma State. Kansas is the worst road team in college football, they're in a monumental letdown spot, and they're traveling into the Oklahoma State homecoming buzzsaw -- with a pointspread that is half a point lower than pure power ratings with a three-point HFA.
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I actually see value in the Jayhawks this week getting OSU after that disappointing loss last week (talking about OSU's loss not KU's as I would argue OSU's was more heartbreaking given expectations). Also, this isn't the OSU of old as this team is all about the defense and isn't explosive like in years' past as I don't think they have put up more than 35 all year (doing this off the top of my head so might be wrong), even against a few teams that they should have put up 40+ against easy. I see this one being something like 35-10, so getting 30 is value in my view. Not excited about playing Kansas but will hold my nose and hope for the best haha.
 
booksbestfriend said:
I kind of like Troy TT over 16.5. I don't think this is unreasonable. I went to school there for a year and can remember them beating a Brad Smith Mizzou team on a weeknight. They seem to get up for ESPN.
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My thing is if I like them to get over their tt I like the +17 just as much. I feel reasonably confident their d can show up, especially with the weather forecast. As I mentioned my 1st thought before capping it was coastal tt over but once I did some work on it wasn’t a fan of that anymore. Troy been especially strong with the run d, cc like to run a lot, throw in if the weather makes passing tough they might only need 14 to cover the spread!!
 
carolinablue said:
I actually see value in the Jayhawks this week getting OSU after that disappointing loss last week (talking about OSU's loss not KU's as I would argue OSU's was more heartbreaking given expectations). Also, this isn't the OSU of old as this team is all about the defense and isn't explosive like in years' past as I don't think they have put up more than 35 all year (doing this off the top of my head so might be wrong), even against a few teams that they should have put up 40+ against easy. I see this one being something like 35-10, so getting 30 is value in my view. Not excited about playing Kansas but will hold my nose and hope for the best haha.
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You're right. OSU's offense is not up to its usual standards. Not even close. Buit if Duke can find a way to hang 52 on them in Durham, OSU should be able to get into the 40's.
 
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