Week #9 Big Ten Thread

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This season is absolutely flying!

We are down to 6 teams with one loss in the conference. All of those teams are ranked, except the Badgers. I don't think Wisconsin belongs with the other 5 teams, but I was way off on them two weeks ago. Two straight blowouts and maybe they just happen to be turning the corner.

The race to Indy should be fun coming down the stretch!


Quick hitters from last week:

Rutger and UCLA combining for 67 was the surprise of the week.

Indiana just scores well right now. The injury is unfortunate (more on that later).


It was a nice win for MSU in another night game. As I said before, OSU and Iowa played. That secondary for the Hawkeye team is quite suss this season.

Illinois had that game circled for awhile. I did end up with 2 units but that was a top-unit play in all honesty -- especially when the line rose again.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the USC playoff chances are gone.

Wisconsin took care of business. That's not the easiest spot historically -- well done

Oregon also did the same. Nice push early and just coasted from there.


Future Schedules:

Oregon

@ Michigan
Vs Maryland
@Wisconsin
BYE
Washington

Ohio State

@ Penn State
Vs Purdue
@ Northwestern
Vs Indiana
Vs Michigan

Penn State

Vs Ohio State
Vs Washington
@ Purdue
@ Minnesota
Vs Maryland

Illinois

Vs Minnesota
BYE
Vs Michigan State
@ Rutgers
@ Northwestern

Indiana

@ Michigan State
Vs Michigan
BYE
@ Ohio State
Vs Purdue

Wisconsin


@ Iowa
BYE
Vs Oregon
@ Nebraska
Vs Minnesota




I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on how this could shake out. Next week is huge, obviously, in Happy Valley. The Hoosiers and Buckeyes in a month will be big-time as well. Imagine if Illinois pulls a shocker this week!?


This week:


There is a traditional Friday night 11 p.m. kickoff for the Rutgers program in So Cal. The Rutgers season seems to have fallen apart since that ass-kicking at home via the Badgers. Now, it's a long trip on a short week vs. a team that is really in need of a win! Now, this is a pretty hefty line. I have no lean here whatsoever.

Nebraska right back at it after last week's thrashing in Bloomington. Growing pains, no doubt, and this is the last place they needed to be heading into this week. Ohio State has had 2 weeks to stew after losing in Eugene. Reportedly they are working on the QB slide and timeout formation. Now, last week I had the Huskers over that cashed easily. I noted on Friday late-night that I had soured on that a bit. Pace numbers were concerning. Now, with that being said, I am leaning over here. I can see the Huskers with 14-17 here. Maybe @cubsker can talk me away from that? Ohio State will be good for 37-40 in my estimation. I'm still capping this one.

The fun team, those Indians Hoosiers host Washington who is off a bye. Talk to me @FadeTheHype about your Hoosiers, specifically the QB spot! I still think Washington is more mid-pack than near that top 6. Solid team, but that is about it. Tell me why I am wrong @jimmymo .

Illinois off a very nice win heads to Eugene to face a surging Ducks team. Oregon might be due for a bit of a flat spot here. Or is that next week? Tough part of the schedule, not so much teams but the travel. The Ducks will have come to the Midwest 3 times in 5 weeks once November 16th has played out. I can see this one a bit tighter until HT and Oregon breaking away after. This game is merely a live or HT bet.

Northwestern and Iowa is about as exciting as a haircut on a Sunday night. Now, this total is in the mid to high 30's. The Hawkeyes have certainly gone over quite a bit this year. I don't know if the Cats can help enough here though.

Maryland and Minnesota is big in the sense that the winner can likely start booking their bowl trip. Great win for the Terps, and I'll be honest this feels like a letdown. I'd favor a Minnesota ML here, but not before diving much deeper into this game.

Penn State heads into Madison for a night-time affair on 'The Cock. This should tell us if the Badgers have progressed or if the competiton wasn't up to snuff. Mr Peanuts gang is so up and down this year. They look great at times and quite pedestrian at others. They are a playoff lock if they win this one. Can they start to play consistent enough to make some noise in those playoffs?? This is a watch and stalk game for myself.

Once again, TV has decided that Paul Bunyan trophy shall be played Under The Lights. This should be a noon game on an obscure network. Half kidding. I saw this line at 5.5 and should have pounced as the money has flowed in on Michigan State. Big game for both, like huge, for a multitude of reasons. Michigan season really comes down to winning the in-state rivalry and then playing spoiler vs Oregon, Indiana and Ohio State. The Spartans huge win last week honestly changes the outlook a bit. Most had them losing 4-5 in a row during this stretch. At the same point, their November schedule looked pedestrian. Now, they only have the two easier games to end the year. A win here basically guarantee's a bowl game -- big for the first year. My ceiling for them was 6 wins, but 7 is right there and maybe a bit better bowl game.

As far as capping MSU-UM, if the Michigan defense could fulfill their talent in the secondary and front four, then they could take advantage of Chiles' mistakes. That is a big if right now. I cannot trust the staff to coach them up properly.

That brings me to my next point .. a lot of forum-goers are not a fan of UM Coach Sherrone Moore. I won't at all debate you there. He has not been good this year. As I have said multiple times -- there is so much more to what is going on here -- the staff is brutal.

Remember, he was named coach later than just about every coach in the country (as far as new positions). Most of the old coaches had aspirations for the NFL and went that way. That was a veteran group of coaches(mostly) that wanted to go different directions. Minter was never coming back -- he was borrowed from the league to build his resume. The biggest loss honestly was Clinkscale. He went much later, and the effect has been real. I always say he was one of the most important hires Jim ever had. When he was at Kentucky he routinely grabbed kids from Detroit. His coaching techniques were incredible, and you saw that in last year's secondary big-time. Anyways, that is my best example.

Currently, there are a few coaches in way over their heads. Bellamy has been here for a bit not. His biggest contribution is recruiting around the Detroit metro area for the past handful of years. The problem is he doesn't develop WR's at all. On offense, Kirk Campell seemed like a guy that could naturally elevate to the next spot. Nope, he has been brutal. You know my thoughts on Wink. Hey, good coach but built so much more for the NFL. Linebackers have been lost all year. They have talented guys, but nothing good has happened there.

That is why this off-season will be so critical. Sherrone isn't going anywhere unless something wild happens. He can't sit back and think things will change. The time is now, especially with some recruiting momentum starting to heat up(I know, that sounds funny but things are starting to pop). The NIL part of things may finally be changing. Fingers crossed.

I mentioned elsewhere that there was a players-only meeting last night. That was confirmed. The takes from that all make sense, nothing earth-shattering. Hopefully we will see better effort this week coming out of that. The one nugget that I like it that a few guys who have been coasting a bit were challenged. As they should be -- NFL isn't set in stone yet.


So, on my end -- no plays yet but close to the OVER in C-Bus.
 
Take Indiana and the over until the cows come home. Has been money for weeks and won't change this week. Weather should be fine. Cignetti is the greatest hire of all time for IU. This guy and the staff are amazing. Team is relatively deep at every position. And the offense is stockpiled. Defense is better than average too. Ohio State game in about 3 weeks will be monumental.
 
Side note: don't look into the Washington off a bye week factor. They will be playing at 9am on their body clock time at a place where College Game Day will get the whole place nuts. Expect IU fans to be loud and obnoxious, which is rare for football but the bandwagon is in full effect rest of the season.
 
Surprised nobody mentioned the revenge angle for Mich St yet. I know it’s already a rivalry game, but their asses must still be a little sore from the 49 -0 thrashing LY, including Michigan running the ball in again with 8 seconds left in the game already up six touchdowns.
 
Surprised nobody mentioned the revenge angle for Mich St yet. I know it’s already a rivalry game, but their asses must still be a little sore from the 49 -0 thrashing LY, including Michigan running the ball in again with 8 seconds left in the game already up six touchdowns.
it's a rivalry game, both teams will be well motivated i'd think. i'm assuming MSU has a ton of guys who weren't there last year as well
 
Surprised nobody mentioned the revenge angle for Mich St yet. I know it’s already a rivalry game, but their asses must still be a little sore from the 49 -0 thrashing LY, including Michigan running the ball in again with 8 seconds left in the game already up six touchdowns.

The part that is forgotten there is Michigan was running the clock out and a MSU personal foul stopped the clock and moved ball closer to the goal. That was an Orji run that ended up in the EZ.

There was not much intent there. Michigan took the 2h off for the most part -- could have been 70-0 if they wanted too (and frankly he should have after the previous year).
 
Washington defense is pretty solid. Think they can limit hoosiers without their starting QB. Bad spot for Indiana off the big one last week. Jmo.

Think Michigan wins this one. Warren is the best of the bunch. MSU talent just isn't there yet on both sides of the ball compared to Michigan but their coaching is a 100x better. Michigan just has a horrific offensive system. Smash mouth football doesn't work unless you're a hall of fame coach with a hall of fame staff, both aren't there in Ann Arbor. I do think they play to their full potential on defense and create some turnovers.. Win going away late. Night games at home, not sure Michigan has lost any. Could be wrong.
 
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Washington defense is pretty solid. Think they can limit hoosiers without their starting QB. Bad spot for Indiana off the big one last week. Jmo
True.

Another poster mentioned earlier that with QB1 out that may negate such a letdown situation? Who knows.

I wish he was healthy.
 
True.

Another poster mentioned earlier that with QB1 out that may negate such a letdown situation? Who knows.

I wish he was healthy.

Added more to my post re Michigan.

I kind of disagree. That's a tough situation for any backup to go in. Dangerous game for hoosiers I think.
 
Added more to my post re Michigan.

I kind of disagree. That's a tough situation for any backup to go in. Dangerous game for hoosiers I think.
Yeah, I just think the fact you lose your QB means a more focused effort.

I definitely think this is a tough game for IU. Easily could lose all the momo they have created.

I doubt they come out flat though -- just because I'm sure this game has their attention now down a soldier.

Should be a good one.
 
Washington defense is pretty solid. Think they can limit hoosiers without their starting QB. Bad spot for Indiana off the big one last week. Jmo.

Think Michigan wins this one. Warren is the best of the bunch. MSU talent just isn't there yet on both sides of the ball compared to Michigan but their coaching is a 100x better. Michigan just has a horrific offensive system. Smash mouth football doesn't work unless you're a hall of fame coach with a hall of fame staff, both aren't there in Ann Arbor. I do think they play to their full potential on defense and create some turnovers.. Win going away late. Night games at home, not sure Michigan has lost any. Could be wrong.

Lost the monsoon game in 2017 to MSU.

Brutal, brutal conditions.


COVID Wisconsin too but no fans? That season was weird obviously.
 
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Washington defense is pretty solid. Think they can limit hoosiers without their starting QB. Bad spot for Indiana off the big one last week. Jmo.

Think Michigan wins this one. Warren is the best of the bunch. MSU talent just isn't there yet on both sides of the ball compared to Michigan but their coaching is a 100x better. Michigan just has a horrific offensive system. Smash mouth football doesn't work unless you're a hall of fame coach with a hall of fame staff, both aren't there in Ann Arbor. I do think they play to their full potential on defense and create some turnovers.. Win going away late. Night games at home, not sure Michigan has lost any. Could be wrong.
Wild part about "manball" is I don't feel like they've been totally committed to that lately.

28 and 27 total runs by RBs the last two games. Jim would of had them.35-40 carries in that instance.

Sure, lack of long drives is part of that.

More than anything, there is no offensive identity.

So much too that though -- from a OC in over his head -- to bad QBs -- lack of continuity.

I go back to the reports of Sherrone practices vs JH practices ... Jim would still the same play 20x till it was correct. Sherrone n company will work on 20 plays once (something to that degree).
 
Lost the monsoon game in 2017 to MSU.

Brutal, brutal conditions.


COVID Wisconsin too but no fans? That season was weird obviously.

I haven't been able to really figure Michigan out at all this year. But I'm afraid it will head to a dumpster fire if they lose this one.
 
Wild part about "manball" is I don't feel like they've been totally committed to that lately.

28 and 27 total runs by RBs the last two games. Jim would of had them.35-40 carries in that instance.

Sure, lack of long drives is part of that.

More than anything, there is no offensive identity.

So much too that though -- from a OC in over his head -- to bad QBs -- lack of continuity.

I go back to the reports of Sherrone practices vs JH practices ... Jim would still the same play 20x till it was correct. Sherrone n company will work on 20 plays once (something to that degree).

Yeah, you have to have a lot buy in for manball which is why I'm back to not liking it. Harbaugh era is over. The oline needs to be GREAT week in week out. That's not happening. The QB has to me able to make plays. That's not happening. The Wrs need to block well and sacrifice not catching the ball. That's not happening. Lot of moving parts for manball especially with culture. But hey, it's ingrained in Michigan football lore and probably always will be due to the Rich rod experience not working and Harbaugh winning a title. It's also inexcusable to have 4 QBs this bad at a place like Michigan.
 
I haven't been able to really figure Michigan out at all this year. But I'm afraid it will head to a dumpster fire if they lose this one.
Yeah, me neither.

Last week was easy with Illinois bets at least.

The Mullings game before books caught on.

Wash ML was small and Texas live bets were nice. Lost some 2h tt unders somewhere too.

That being said, have never had a feel and will not.

I almost bet against them weeks back on all GOY markets but never pulled the trigger. Why? I figure the 1st round picks start to sit in November. A loss tomorrow could really start to spur that on.
 
Yeah, you have to have a lot buy in for manball which is why I'm back to not liking it. Harbaugh era is over. The oline needs to be GREAT week in week out. That's not happening. The QB has to me able to make plays. That's not happening. The Wrs need to block well and sacrifice not catching the ball. That's not happening. Lot of moving parts for manball especially with culture. But hey, it's ingrained in Michigan football lore and probably always will be due to the Rich rod experience not working and Harbaugh winning a title. It's also inexcusable to have 4 QBs this bad at a place like Michigan.

The QB thing is what it is.

"Eggs in one basket" the Dante year... plus trying not to offend Jaydyn Davis was reckless.

Hey, MNC was absolutely awesome but unfortunately that is the CFB way to have an off-season occur while the good teams are still playing.

You heard it from me for a few months or more -- they HAD to get a guy in the spring. That is absolutely the biggest mess-up in this Moore era so far.

Inexcusable.

You're spot on with the manball stuff. That takes a special coach and system.
 
Yeah, you have to have a lot buy in for manball which is why I'm back to not liking it. Harbaugh era is over. The oline needs to be GREAT week in week out. That's not happening. The QB has to me able to make plays. That's not happening. The Wrs need to block well and sacrifice not catching the ball. That's not happening. Lot of moving parts for manball especially with culture. But hey, it's ingrained in Michigan football lore and probably always will be due to the Rich rod experience not working and Harbaugh winning a title. It's also inexcusable to have 4 QBs this bad at a place like Michigan.
Times are changing though --

NIL is becoming a reality in A2 and I cannot even imagine what type of in-fighting occurs at the highest levels.

They know they will get lapped without changing their ways. The recruiting momentum that is building certainly has to be partly NIL (and partly because Sherrone should recruit very well).

Heck, even thought I want my guy @twinkie13 to sweat a bit, Bryce ultimately isn't coming here. I do love the GM was at the Belleville game tonight. At least the effort is there. Moreso though, that shows me they will pay a few bucks to a top QB in the offseason.

The blessing of this 6-6 season is that they will have plenty of time to get after things this off-season (and hopefully a mostly new staff!).
 
Times are changing though --

NIL is becoming a reality in A2 and I cannot even imagine what type of in-fighting occurs at the highest levels.

They know they will get lapped without changing their ways. The recruiting momentum that is building certainly has to be partly NIL (and partly because Sherrone should recruit very well).

Heck, even thought I want my guy @twinkie13 to sweat a bit, Bryce ultimately isn't coming here. I do love the GM was at the Belleville game tonight. At least the effort is there. Moreso though, that shows me they will pay a few bucks to a top QB in the offseason.

The blessing of this 6-6 season is that they will have plenty of time to get after things this off-season (and hopefully a mostly new staff!).

Can't disagree with any of this. OC has to go though. I mean my God get a real coordinator.
 
The QB thing is what it is.

"Eggs in one basket" the Dante year... plus trying not to offend Jaydyn Davis was reckless.

Hey, MNC was absolutely awesome but unfortunately that is the CFB way to have an off-season occur while the good teams are still playing.

You heard it from me for a few months or more -- they HAD to get a guy in the spring. That is absolutely the biggest mess-up in this Moore era so far.

Inexcusable.

You're spot on with the manball stuff. That takes a special coach and system.

Yep. You were very salty about not getting a QB. I remember. The lack of transfers was shocking too. Be nice to have a Honda McCord in your driveway this year though.
 
Yeah, me neither.

Last week was easy with Illinois bets at least.

The Mullings game before books caught on.

Wash ML was small and Texas live bets were nice. Lost some 2h tt unders somewhere too.

That being said, have never had a feel and will not.

I almost bet against them weeks back on all GOY markets but never pulled the trigger. Why? I figure the 1st round picks start to sit in November. A loss tomorrow could really start to spur that on.

Yeah mullings and Washington ml about it for me as well. Been way off on most others. Don't remember a year like this tbh. COVID like you said earlier.
 
As far as tomorrow night UTL...

I'm not betting on MSU at this reduced number. I considered it at the 5.5/6 earlier in the week but sat idly for too long. That is fine, I am more than content to not have action on this game. We made more than enough money on last year's game. I might have to rewatch the MSU radio edition from last year again to sleep well tonight (lol). For those of you have not done this -- listen to a game on replay with the opponent's home radio team -- quite the perspective. I'll add, the OSU radio team is really good at staying somewhat in the middle. I enjoyed those the last few years.

Anyways, back on track...

Tuttle is hurting in some other way than the previous injury. We have come full circle to Davis Warren. My hope is he has sat and watched for several weeks and understands what is at stake more. There were a few of those picks he threw that were not his fault. Still, he needs to improve that decision making big-time. I'd expect they try and out him in positions to succeed.

No Will Johnson, as mentioned earlier. They have to keep an eye on Marsh, no doubt.

Really good win last week for MSU. That was big after losing to the top teams in conference plus the heartbreaker at BC. This team is going bowling almost for sure and this win would be the cherry on top. Much like Michigan, QB1 here has had trouble valuing the ball at times. Hre has talent but is still learning 'on the job'.

True trenches game here, imo. The Michigan DL must win their battle -- that means less than 4ypc and make Chiles life uncomfortable. Now, let him have time back there and sprinkle in 125+ yards from RB's and MSU wins outright IMO.

On offense, Mich has to have a clean sheet and score. That sounds cliche, but they really need to find some points in the 1h and lean on the running game hopefully in the 2h. We shall see.

I don't know why, but I am getting 2012 vibes from this game. That was a 12-10 battle that Michigan won on a late FG.

I'd expect a bit more scoring here though. Gun to head, I think we see this one creep over.

Funny about the total -- MSU seems to be in some lower scoring affairs until last week -- versus Iowa of all teams -- but Iowa has been an over team this year -- kooky


Final score?

23-20 and that could be either team.
 
Lost the monsoon game in 2017 to MSU.

Brutal, brutal conditions.


COVID Wisconsin too but no fans? That season was weird obviously.

Oh yeah that's right. Duh. One of the worst losses ever to MSU. Had quite a few bad ones in that stretch. The punt block was awful too
 
Maybe I'm crazy, but can see Wisconsin pulling the upset too.
I have no clue what to think about the Badgers,..

I was pretty low on them, and then they trashed Rutgers.

Rutgers seemingly cannot defend anymore as seen in these last 6 days versus Los Angeles teams.

Tomorrow will tell me if he has Wisky starting to turn the corner in full or whether opponent deficientness has been the root of the wins.
 
As far as tomorrow night UTL...

I'm not betting on MSU at this reduced number. I considered it at the 5.5/6 earlier in the week but sat idly for too long. That is fine, I am more than content to not have action on this game. We made more than enough money on last year's game. I might have to rewatch the MSU radio edition from last year again to sleep well tonight (lol). For those of you have not done this -- listen to a game on replay with the opponent's home radio team -- quite the perspective. I'll add, the OSU radio team is really good at staying somewhat in the middle. I enjoyed those the last few years.

Anyways, back on track...

Tuttle is hurting in some other way than the previous injury. We have come full circle to Davis Warren. My hope is he has sat and watched for several weeks and understands what is at stake more. There were a few of those picks he threw that were not his fault. Still, he needs to improve that decision making big-time. I'd expect they try and out him in positions to succeed.

No Will Johnson, as mentioned earlier. They have to keep an eye on Marsh, no doubt.

Really good win last week for MSU. That was big after losing to the top teams in conference plus the heartbreaker at BC. This team is going bowling almost for sure and this win would be the cherry on top. Much like Michigan, QB1 here has had trouble valuing the ball at times. Hre has talent but is still learning 'on the job'.

True trenches game here, imo. The Michigan DL must win their battle -- that means less than 4ypc and make Chiles life uncomfortable. Now, let him have time back there and sprinkle in 125+ yards from RB's and MSU wins outright IMO.

On offense, Mich has to have a clean sheet and score. That sounds cliche, but they really need to find some points in the 1h and lean on the running game hopefully in the 2h. We shall see.

I don't know why, but I am getting 2012 vibes from this game. That was a 12-10 battle that Michigan won on a late FG.

I'd expect a bit more scoring here though. Gun to head, I think we see this one creep over.

Funny about the total -- MSU seems to be in some lower scoring affairs until last week -- versus Iowa of all teams -- but Iowa has been an over team this year -- kooky


Final score?

23-20 and that could be either team.

The team that runs the ball better almost always wins this game. It's all about Michigan players buying in to win this one. If they are all in it's an easy win imo.
 
I have no clue what to think about the Badgers,..

I was pretty low on them, and then they trashed Rutgers.

Rutgers seemingly cannot defend anymore as seen in these last 6 days versus Los Angeles teams.

Tomorrow will tell me if he has Wisky starting to turn the corner in full or whether opponent deficientness has been the root of the wins.

Hard to cap. Could very well be PSU year. Who knows. Franklin always loses one he shouldn't though. This might be it with tosu on deck.
 
The team that runs the ball better almost always wins this game. It's all about Michigan players buying in to win this one. If they are all in it's an easy win imo.
Agreed.

That is the part I didn't get into -- mentality --

So, they has great practices out of bye week and laid a turd in Illinois.

This week, bad practices to start week then improved?

Seems to coincide with the players only meeting Tuesday night I'd say.

They have to look at this game as the key to the rest of the year. Schedule has been tough all year and stays the same -- three more top 10 teams coming -- this is a must win.
 
Agreed.

That is the part I didn't get into -- mentality --

So, they has great practices out of bye week and laid a turd in Illinois.

This week, bad practices to start week then improved?

Seems to coincide with the players only meeting Tuesday night I'd say.

They have to look at this game as the key to the rest of the year. Schedule has been tough all year and stays the same -- three more top 10 teams coming -- this is a must win.

Absolutely a must win. For a lot of reasons. Recruiting, building momentum, etc.
 
Hard to cap. Could very well be PSU year. Who knows. Franklin always loses one he shouldn't though. This might be it with tosu on deck.
Terrible spot in a tough venue.

I am not as high on PSU as I was after week #1. I know others felt this sooner but I was willing to give it a bit. They can win me back in the next two weeks with big wins. The bottom line is, they are in the playoffs with the weak schedule either way. These next few games should tell us if we are playing them or hard core fade come December.
 
Absolutely a must win. For a lot of reasons. Recruiting, building momentum, etc.
Hehe, I still cannot believe they have some recruiting momentum right now with how the season has went. This goes against every other recruiting year when the team in struggling. Nice to actually not be such prudes for once!
 
I did end up playing over 48 -110 in Columbus a few days ago.

Number is the same still. I like the 1h as well, but would like a flat 24. I see 24.5 soft currently.

OSU tt maybe? They've been good to on TT's this year so far.

The Illinois number is tempting but goodness that is such a flat ass spot. Yes, Michigan is bad this year, but Fat Bert has wanted that win for a while. He really built up for that one, two weeks' worth of practices. I just think when the momentum gets going for Oregon tomorrow the tide may not stop! No bets for now, stalk it.
 
Hehe, I still cannot believe they have some recruiting momentum right now with how the season has went. This goes against every other recruiting year when the team in struggling. Nice to actually not be such prudes for once!

It's pretty wild isn't it? I think kids remember the natty and the last 3 years. That helps imo. Obviously nil.
 
I did end up playing over 48 -110 in Columbus a few days ago.

Number is the same still. I like the 1h as well, but would like a flat 24. I see 24.5 soft currently.

OSU tt maybe? They've been good to on TT's this year so far.

The Illinois number is tempting but goodness that is such a flat ass spot. Yes, Michigan is bad this year, but Fat Bert has wanted that win for a while. He really built up for that one, two weeks' worth of practices. I just think when the momentum gets going for Oregon tomorrow the tide may not stop! No bets for now, stalk it.

I like OSU in a lot of different ways myself. Will be on Illinois tt under. I think Oregon has one of the better defenses in the country right now. Ohio State and Boise can score on anyone so not really factoring them in the equation.

Liking northwestern first half tt under as well.

Agree with you. GL today Reno.
 
Got a piece of Mich State +6 super early and trying to figure out what to do.......if i see 3 it is an clear partial buy-back...dunno at 4 and prolly just let it ride

Prolly biased, but still not sold on oregon....but want no part of Illini...as stated above, could always snowball in eugene

On nebraska.....just have to think they come with a great effort after last week.....just a LOT of points

big game (obvously) in bloomington......lot been said, but UW has to get a couple breaks and keep their head out of their ass to cover.....don't understand line and think the sharpies on dawgs will get shit pushed in

Dog or noting in NW/Iowa..........Couldn't pay me to show interest in gopher/turtle..........like Badgers, but will have to be having a winnnign day to bet later

Sidenote......just cannot wait for b10 hoops....what a change in scenery for yours truly
 
Got a piece of Mich State +6 super early and trying to figure out what to do.......if i see 3 it is an clear partial buy-back...dunno at 4 and prolly just let it ride

Prolly biased, but still not sold on oregon....but want no part of Illini...as stated above, could always snowball in eugene

On nebraska.....just have to think they come with a great effort after last week.....just a LOT of points

big game (obvously) in bloomington......lot been said, but UW has to get a couple breaks and keep their head out of their ass to cover.....don't understand line and think the sharpies on dawgs will get shit pushed in

Dog or noting in NW/Iowa..........Couldn't pay me to show interest in gopher/turtle..........like Badgers, but will have to be having a winnnign day to bet later

Sidenote......just cannot wait for b10 hoops....what a change in scenery for yours truly
Yep, big ten hoops is going to be a blast!
 
The part that is forgotten there is Michigan was running the clock out and a MSU personal foul stopped the clock and moved ball closer to the goal. That was an Orji run that ended up in the EZ.

There was not much intent there. Michigan took the 2h off for the most part -- could have been 70-0 if they wanted too (and frankly he should have after the previous year).
Weren’t they running flea flickers late? Or was that two years ago?

Like above said- so much roster TO on msu- doubt that plays a part.

Bigger issue for UM is their inability to throw and MSUs DL is pretty stout against the run.

Might throw some change on the MSU ML but at 3.5 there’s no value imo on msu and might look to get UM in game if Sparty jumps out to a lead
 
As far as tomorrow night UTL...

I'm not betting on MSU at this reduced number. I considered it at the 5.5/6 earlier in the week but sat idly for too long. That is fine, I am more than content to not have action on this game. We made more than enough money on last year's game. I might have to rewatch the MSU radio edition from last year again to sleep well tonight (lol). For those of you have not done this -- listen to a game on replay with the opponent's home radio team -- quite the perspective. I'll add, the OSU radio team is really good at staying somewhat in the middle. I enjoyed those the last few years.

Anyways, back on track...

Tuttle is hurting in some other way than the previous injury. We have come full circle to Davis Warren. My hope is he has sat and watched for several weeks and understands what is at stake more. There were a few of those picks he threw that were not his fault. Still, he needs to improve that decision making big-time. I'd expect they try and out him in positions to succeed.

No Will Johnson, as mentioned earlier. They have to keep an eye on Marsh, no doubt.

Really good win last week for MSU. That was big after losing to the top teams in conference plus the heartbreaker at BC. This team is going bowling almost for sure and this win would be the cherry on top. Much like Michigan, QB1 here has had trouble valuing the ball at times. Hre has talent but is still learning 'on the job'.

True trenches game here, imo. The Michigan DL must win their battle -- that means less than 4ypc and make Chiles life uncomfortable. Now, let him have time back there and sprinkle in 125+ yards from RB's and MSU wins outright IMO.

On offense, Mich has to have a clean sheet and score. That sounds cliche, but they really need to find some points in the 1h and lean on the running game hopefully in the 2h. We shall see.

I don't know why, but I am getting 2012 vibes from this game. That was a 12-10 battle that Michigan won on a late FG.

I'd expect a bit more scoring here though. Gun to head, I think we see this one creep over.

Funny about the total -- MSU seems to be in some lower scoring affairs until last week -- versus Iowa of all teams -- but Iowa has been an over team this year -- kooky


Final score?

23-20 and that could be either team.
Agreed. Total being 38.5 is just too low now even with the O concerns on both sides
 
Weren’t they running flea flickers late? Or was that two years ago?

Like above said- so much roster TO on msu- doubt that plays a part.

Bigger issue for UM is their inability to throw and MSUs DL is pretty stout against the run.

Might throw some change on the MSU ML but at 3.5 there’s no value imo on msu and might look to get UM in game if Sparty jumps out to a lead
Yeah, not last year.

The 2h last year used 4 QBs

3 TDs in 2h

Pick 6
65 yard drive that bad 45+ yards in MSU personal fouls

The all runs drive the last 3-4 mins that was aided by another PF.

As far as Michigan throwing today, at least the most talented (using this term quite freely) QB is out there.

MSU DL has regressed a bit though....

213 from Oregon
185 from OSU
152 from BC
120 plus from Iowa on 6ypc
 
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