Week 7 Discussion

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<TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#800000 height=20><TD width=225>Sunday, October 19, 2008</TD><TD width=75 bgColor=#ffffff>Game/2ndH</TD><TD align=middle width=55>1stH</TD><TD align=middle width=55>1stQ</TD><TD align=middle width=55>2ndQ</TD><TD align=middle width=55>3rdQ</TD><TD align=middle width=55>4thQ</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#003366 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>#</TD><TD width=200>Team Name </TD><TD align=right width=95>Spread </TD><TD align=middle width=95>Total</TD><TD align=middle width=55>MoneyLn</TD><TD align=right width=85>T1 Total </TD><TD align=right width=85>T2 Total </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>12:00 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>405</TD><TD width=185>Tennessee Titans</TD><TD align=right width=85>-9 +100</TD><TD align=middle width=85>35</TD><TD align=right width=45>-360</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>406</TD><TD width=185>Kansas City Chiefs</TD><TD align=right width=85> -120</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=right width=45>+300</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>12:00 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>407</TD><TD width=185>San Diego Chargers</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=right width=45>-105</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>408</TD><TD width=185>Buffalo Bills</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-1</TD><TD align=middle width=85>46½</TD><TD align=right width=45>-115</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>12:00 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>409</TD><TD width=185>Pittsburgh Steelers</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-9½</TD><TD align=middle width=85>37</TD><TD align=right width=45>-470</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>410</TD><TD width=185>Cincinnati Bengals</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=right width=45>+370</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>12:00 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>411</TD><TD width=185>Baltimore Ravens</TD><TD align=right width=85> -120</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=right width=45>+130</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>412</TD><TD width=185>Miami Dolphins</TD><TD align=right width=85>-3 +100</TD><TD align=middle width=85>36½</TD><TD align=right width=45>-150</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>12:00 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>413</TD><TD width=185>Dallas Cowboys</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-7</TD><TD align=middle width=85>43½</TD><TD align=right width=45>-320</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>414</TD><TD width=185>St Louis Rams</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=right width=45>+260</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>12:00 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>415</TD><TD width=185>Minnesota Vikings</TD><TD align=right width=85> +105</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=right width=45>+165</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>416</TD><TD width=185>Chicago Bears</TD><TD align=right width=85>-3 -125</TD><TD align=middle width=85>38</TD><TD align=right width=45>-185</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>12:00 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>417</TD><TD width=185>New Orleans Saints</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=right width=45>+140</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>418</TD><TD width=185>Carolina Panthers</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-3</TD><TD align=middle width=85>44½</TD><TD align=right width=45>-160</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>3:05 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>421</TD><TD width=185>Detroit Lions</TD><TD align=right width=85> -120</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=right width=45>+310</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>422</TD><TD width=185>Houston Texans</TD><TD align=right width=85>-9 +100</TD><TD align=middle width=85>47½</TD><TD align=right width=45>-380</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>3:15 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>423</TD><TD width=185>New York Jets</TD><TD align=right width=85>-3 -115</TD><TD align=middle width=85>42½</TD><TD align=right width=45>-170</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>424</TD><TD width=185>Oakland Raiders</TD><TD align=right width=85> -105</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=right width=45>+150</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>3:15 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>427</TD><TD width=185>Indianapolis Colts</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-1</TD><TD align=middle width=85>47</TD><TD align=right width=45>-115</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>428</TD><TD width=185>Green Bay Packers</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=right width=45>-105</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>7:15 pm (NBC) </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>429</TD><TD width=185>Seattle Seahawks</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=right width=45>+425</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>430</TD><TD width=185>Tampa Bay Buccaneers</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-10½</TD><TD align=middle width=85>38½</TD><TD align=right width=45>-550</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#800000 height=20><TD width=225>Monday, October 20, 2008</TD><TD width=75 bgColor=#ffffff>Game/2ndH</TD><TD align=middle width=55>1stH</TD><TD align=middle width=55>1stQ</TD><TD align=middle width=55>2ndQ</TD><TD align=middle width=55>3rdQ</TD><TD align=middle width=55>4thQ</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#003366 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>#</TD><TD width=200>Team Name </TD><TD align=right width=95>Spread </TD><TD align=middle width=95>Total</TD><TD align=middle width=55>MoneyLn</TD><TD align=right width=85>T1 Total </TD><TD align=right width=85>T2 Total </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>7:35 pm (ESPN) </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>431</TD><TD width=185>Denver Broncos</TD><TD align=right width=85> +100</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=right width=45>+155</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>432</TD><TD width=185>New England Patriots</TD><TD align=right width=85>-3 -120</TD><TD align=middle width=85>46½</TD><TD align=right width=45>-175</TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#003366 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Line Changes Made Within Last 15 Minutes Are </TD><TD width="1%" bgColor=#666666>Highlighted.</TD><TD width="98%"> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 
NFL SPREAD<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" bgColor=#c48f1b border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg0_sub vAlign=bottom align=middle><TD width="100%" bgColor=#222222>
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</TD><MAP name=offshore_links><AREA shape=POLY target=_blank alt=Sportsbook.com coords=434,97,504,33,568,33,501,97 href="http://www.vegasinsider.com/link_hitcount.cfm?LTid=655"><AREA shape=POLY target=_blank alt=BoDog coords=503,97,572,33,605,33,605,55,563,97 href="http://www.vegasinsider.com/link_hitcount.cfm?LTid=633"></MAP><TD colSpan=11>
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" bgColor=#c48f1b border=0><TBODY><TR class=oddsText_odd><TD style="POSITION: relative" vAlign=bottom width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=13>10/19 1:00 PM</TD><TD align=right>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>405 Tennessee</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>406 Kansas City</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>TEN-WR-Gage-Probable
KC-QB-Croyle-Expected to start

</TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=58><NOBR> -7.5
36</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -7.5-110
35</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -7.5-110
35</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=60><NOBR> -7.5-110
35½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -7.5-110
35</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=59><NOBR> -7.0-120
35½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -7.5-110
35</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=67><NOBR> -8.0-110
35½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -8-110
</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=center noWrap align=middle width=42><NOBR> </NOBR></TD></TR><TR class=oddsText_even><TD style="POSITION: relative" vAlign=bottom width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=13>10/19 1:00 PM</TD><TD align=right>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>407 San Diego</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>408 Buffalo</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>GAME OFF BOARD:
BUF-QB-Edwards-Probable, WR-Parrish-Probable
Edwards in # - San Diego PK and 46
Edwards out # - San Diego -3 and 45

</TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=58><NOBR>
</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -1.0-110
45½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=60><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=59><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=67><NOBR> 46½
PK -110</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=center noWrap align=middle width=42><NOBR> Picks</NOBR></TD></TR><TR class=oddsText_odd><TD style="POSITION: relative" vAlign=bottom width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=13>10/19 1:00 PM</TD><TD align=right>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>409 Pittsburgh</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>410 Cincinnati</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>GAME OFF BOARD:
PIT-RB-Parker, QB-Roethlisberger, WR-Holmes-all Probable
CIN-QB-Palmer-Doubtful
Palmer in # - Pittsburgh -7 and 43
Palmer out # - Pittsburgh -10 and 40

</TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=58><NOBR>
</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -9.5-110
37</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=60><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=59><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=67><NOBR> -9.5-110
37</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=center noWrap align=middle width=42><NOBR> </NOBR></TD></TR><TR class=oddsText_even><TD style="POSITION: relative" vAlign=bottom width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=13>10/19 1:00 PM</TD><TD align=right>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>411 Baltimore</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>412 Miami</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>BAL-RB-McGahee-Questionable

</TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=58><NOBR> 35½
-2.5 </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 36½
-2.5 -110</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 36
-2.5 -110</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=60><NOBR> 36½
-3.0 -105</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 36½
-3.0 EVEN</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=59><NOBR> 36
-2.5 -120</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 36½
-3.0 +100</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=67><NOBR> 36½
-3.0 +105</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR>
-3 EVEN</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=center noWrap align=middle width=42><NOBR> Picks</NOBR></TD></TR><TR class=oddsText_odd><TD style="POSITION: relative" vAlign=bottom width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=13>10/19 1:00 PM</TD><TD align=right>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>413 Dallas</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>414 St. Louis</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>DAL-QB-Romo-OUT (expected to miss 4 weeks w/broken pinky)
DAL-QB-B. Johnson-Expected to start, RB-F. Jones-Questionable

</TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=58><NOBR> -6.0
44½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -7.0-110
44</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=60><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=59><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=67><NOBR> -11.0-110
48</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=center noWrap align=middle width=42><NOBR> Picks</NOBR></TD></TR><TR class=oddsText_even><TD style="POSITION: relative" vAlign=bottom width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=13>10/19 1:00 PM</TD><TD align=right>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>415 Minnesota</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>416 Chicago</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>MIN-WR-Rice-Questionable
CHI-WR-Lloyd-Questionable

</TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=58><NOBR>
</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 38
-3.0 -120</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 38
-3.0 -120</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=60><NOBR> 38½
-3.0 -115</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 38
-3.0 -125</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=59><NOBR> 38
-3.0 -120</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 38
-3.0 -120</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=67><NOBR> 38½
-3.0 -120</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR>
-3 -125</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=center noWrap align=middle width=42><NOBR> </NOBR></TD></TR><TR class=oddsText_odd><TD style="POSITION: relative" vAlign=bottom width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=13>10/19 1:00 PM</TD><TD align=right>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>417 New Orleans</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>418 Carolina</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>NO-TE-Shockey, WR-Colston-exp. to return, WR-Patten-Questionable
CAR-WR-Muhammad-Questionable

</TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=58><NOBR> 43½
-3.0 </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 44½
-3.0 -110</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 44½
-3.0 -110</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=60><NOBR> 44½
-3.0 -110</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 44
-3.0 -110</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=59><NOBR> 44
-3.0 -110</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 44
-3.0 -110</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=67><NOBR> 44
-3.0 -110</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR>
-3 -110</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=center noWrap align=middle width=42><NOBR> </NOBR></TD></TR><TR class=oddsText_even><TD style="POSITION: relative" vAlign=bottom width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=13>10/19 1:00 PM</TD><TD align=right>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>419 San Fran.</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>420 New York-N</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>GAME OFF BOARD:
NYG plays Monday Night
Sunday Night Line: NYG -11.0 / 46.0

</TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=58><NOBR>
</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=60><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=59><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=67><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=center noWrap align=middle width=42><NOBR> </NOBR></TD></TR><TR class=oddsText_odd><TD style="POSITION: relative" vAlign=bottom width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=13>10/19 4:05 PM</TD><TD align=right>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>421 Detroit</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>422 Houston</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>GAME OFF BOARD:
DET-QB-Kitna-Questionable
Sunday Night Line: (Kitna In) HOU -7.0 -120 / 48.0

</TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=58><NOBR>
</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 47½
-8.5 -110</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR>
-9.0 -110</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=60><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=59><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=67><NOBR> 48
-9.0 -110</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=center noWrap align=middle width=42><NOBR> Picks</NOBR></TD></TR><TR class=oddsText_even><TD style="POSITION: relative" vAlign=bottom width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=13>10/19 4:15 PM</TD><TD align=right> </TD></TR><TR><TD>423 New York-A</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>424 Oakland</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=58><NOBR>
</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -3.0-110
42½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -3.0-120
42½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=60><NOBR> -3.0-120
42½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -3.0-110
42</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=59><NOBR> -3.0-110
42½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -3.0-120
42½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=67><NOBR> -3.0-115
42½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -3-120
</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=center noWrap align=middle width=42><NOBR> </NOBR></TD></TR><TR class=oddsText_odd><TD style="POSITION: relative" vAlign=bottom width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=13>10/19 4:15 PM</TD><TD align=right>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>425 Cleveland</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>426 Washington</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>GAME OFF BOARD:
CLE plays Monday Night
Sunday Night Line: WAS -9.5 / 41.5
CLE-TE-Winslow-Questionable

</TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=58><NOBR>
</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=60><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=59><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=67><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=center noWrap align=middle width=42><NOBR> </NOBR></TD></TR><TR class=oddsText_even><TD style="POSITION: relative" vAlign=bottom width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=13>10/19 4:15 PM</TD><TD align=right>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>427 Indianapolis</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>428 Green Bay</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>IND-RB-Addai-Questionable
GB-WR-Jones-Questionable

</TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=58><NOBR> 47
PK </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -1.0-110
47½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -1.0-110
47½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=60><NOBR> -1.0-110
47½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -1.0-110
47</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=59><NOBR> -1.0-110
47½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -1.0-110
47½</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=67><NOBR> -1.5-110
47</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> -2-110
</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=center noWrap align=middle width=42><NOBR> </NOBR></TD></TR><TR class=oddsText_odd><TD style="POSITION: relative" vAlign=bottom width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=13>10/19 8:15 PM</TD><TD align=right>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>429 Seattle</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>430 Tampa Bay</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>NBC
GAME OFF BOARD:
Cleveland plays Monday night
SEA-QB-Hasselbeck-Questionable
Sunday Night Line: (Hasselbeck IN): TB -7.5 / 43.0
TB-QB-Garcia-Expected to start, WR-Galloway-Questionable

</TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=58><NOBR>
</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=60><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=59><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=67><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> XX
XX </NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_odd vAlign=center noWrap align=middle width=42><NOBR> </NOBR></TD></TR><TR class=oddsText_even><TD style="POSITION: relative" vAlign=bottom width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=13>10/20 8:35 PM</TD><TD align=right>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>431 Denver</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>432 New England</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>ESPN
DEN-Multiple WR/RB Injured

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</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 46½
-3.0 -125</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 46½
-3.0 -120</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=60><NOBR> 46½
-3.0 -120</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 46½
-3.0 -120</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=59><NOBR> 46
-3.5 +100</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR> 46½
-3.0 -120</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=67><NOBR> 46
-3.0 -115</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=bottom noWrap align=middle width=61><NOBR>
-3 -115</NOBR></TD><TD class=oddsText_even vAlign=center noWrap align=middle width=42><NOBR> </NOBR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 
The 40-year-old, 15-year NFL veteran is now the starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. It was a busy Monday morning for bookmakers following the news that Tony Romo is out an estimated four weeks because of a broken pinkie on his throwing hand.
Some books opened Dallas as high as 11-point road favorites against St. Louis before taking the game down based on the Romo news.
The oddsmakers at Las Vegas Sports Consultants initially suggested an opening line of Dallas minus 9 ½ with an ‘over/under’ of 48 ½. Now their recommendation is Cowboys minus six and a total of 44 ½.
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“The Rams look to be a completely different team with a new coach (Jim Haslett),” he said.
Only half of the 14 NFL games were up on the betting board Monday afternoon. Bookmakers were awaiting more definite news on quarterbacks Trent Edwards (concussion), Carson Palmer (elbow), Matt Hasselbeck (knee) and Jon Kitna (back).
The Houston Texans host Detroit. The highest the Texans ever have been favored in their franchise history is seven points. That was last year versus Jacksonville in the regular-season finale when the Jaguars rested many of their starters in anticipation of the playoffs.
LVSC senior oddsmaker Mike Seba said the difference between Kitna and backup Dan Orlovsky is one-half-to-one point. If Kitna can’t go, Seba said the Texans could be favored by 8 ½ or nine points.
The Lions have yet to win this season in five games. They have been outscored by 83 points. But Seba said he would be reluctant to lay so many points with Houston.
“I wouldn’t want to lay more than seven with the Texans,” he said. “You just can’t trust them. It is uncharted waters for them.”
There were a number of three-point spreads. That’s the margin Miami is favored over Baltimore, Chicago is favored over Minnesota, Carolina is favored over New Orleans, the visiting New York Jets are favored over Oakland and New England is favored over Denver in the Monday night matchup.
Seba was prepared to make the Patriots a bigger favorite until New England laid an egg in the Sunday night game to San Diego, losing 30-10.
There’s probably a greater possibility of some of these matchups, especially the Broncos-Patriots, closing at 3 ½ rather than 2 ½.
“It’s obvious New England is not as bad as it looked against San Diego,” Seba said.
Seba thought the right number should be Patriots minus 3 ½ considering Denver’s multiple injuries on offense.
It wouldn’t surprise Seba if Miami closed minus 2 ½ against Baltimore. The Dolphins’ lone victory last season came against the Ravens. So Baltimore has a revenge motive for this non-division contest. Baltimore also is giving up the fewest yards per game.
“I think you either take three or leave the game alone,” Seba said. “Any time you can get three with a defense this good against Miami, it’s tempting.”
It appears Indianapolis has settled in as a one-point road favorite versus Green Bay. Some books opened the Packers minus one on Sunday night. LVSC’s recommendation was pick’em, although Seba didn’t agree. “I think the Colts should be favored, although by less than three,” he said.

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Quick Leans at first glance

Chiefs +9
SD +1
Bengals +9.5
Ravens +3
Rams +7
Bears -3
Panthers -3
Lions +9
Raiders +3
Colts -1
Tampa -10.5
New England -3
 
Injuries and other stuff

Romo out
Hasselback out
Palmer out
Willie Parker should be back
Mauroney????


Byes these week
Byes: Cardinals, Falcons, Jaguars, Eagles

Lines were waiting on

SF/Giants
Cleve/Washington
 
YTD O/U 47-39-1

YTD ATS 49-38-2


Vikings

The vikes have been incredibly lucky to escape the last two games with wins. There defense played incredibly well both games, and kept them in close games. The offense is still absolutely horrid. We have had the luxury of playing two teams that were not very good against the Pass. The Box score looks a hell of alot better than they actually are. Fans are calling for Childress's head. The Lions game was suppose to be a game where we worked on our offense and put up 30 points. The last 3 games we killed ourselves, Peterson has fumbled 3 times in that stretch. We have been penalized a ton. Peterson also is noticeably slower. He hurt his hamstring in week 2, and something hasn't been the same with him. He is hitting the hole, with a slower step. Opposing teams can and have take advantage of Cedric Griffin our 2nd year CB from Texas. Everyone else has played pretty well in the secondary. Against our offenses every team we have played has stacked the line and made it there priority to stop Adrian Peterson. We have been on the beneficial side of numerous penalties that have gone our way. Take away 2 deep pass interference calls against both the Saints, and the Lions and were 1-4 going into this game. Gus is staying in the pocket to long, he is not moble and if you get a good pass rush on us, you will mess him up.

We torched Chicago last year, and Adrian Peterson embarrassed them putting up 225 and a couple of scores. Chicago lost a game the should have won last week. Devin Hester has always I repeat always given us trouble. Bears should benefit from good field position this week, because we will no doubt kick away from him on every punt, and the rare occasion that we score.

Both teams will make the other teams QB beat them. One the thing to note Minnesota has been in the teams Redzone 13 times this year and only scored 3 TDS. The rest have been TO or FG.

No real lean here as these teams are about as equal as you can get. I know Chicago has some injuries, and I will wait to see what comes out this week with that.
 
what.. the fuck....?! Wash -7 vs Cleveland?! So we have Giants -9 @ Cleveland then Wash -7 at home? I understand maybe -9 for the giants was off but dude. thats implying a 9 point difference in Giants and Wash? Week 1 Giants were -4 vs Wash. This line is short...
 
SF_capper said:
what.. the fuck....?! Wash -7 vs Cleveland?! So we have Giants -9 @ Cleveland then Wash -7 at home? I understand maybe -9 for the giants was off but dude. thats implying a 9 point difference in Giants and Wash? Week 1 Giants were -4 vs Wash. This line is short...
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agreee, already have them in a teaser with the titans

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Quick leans -

Bears in already . Vikings special teams was terrible @ NO and feel Minny has now underperformed for 3 straight games @ Tenny , @ NO and Det . Actually have to like the over I think. Bears offense is fairly decent these days and should score abit 20-21 think worst case and Vikings will score 14 worst case so were at 35 already on a 36 total. Also Vikes on grass usually a downgrade .

Dallas and Rams . Crazy games with two questionable OLs and no secondaries to speak of . If the OLs play well think we see a high scoring game . Would have thought DAL if they didnt lose Pacman , Felix Jones and Romo more the 1st two then the QB....possible over ??

Have to look at NYG and over . Though hate the fact its higher then 45 -28-17 game doesnt work. However DD spreads are now 1-9 in 2008 ATS.

I want to say Saints but looks like nothing but Saints action coming in and they are untested on the road . Expect Car to win by say 3 ....

SD @ Buffalo tough one . Could see Bills scratching out a win but no opinion yet .

No way I get involved @ KC. Tenny not road chalk worth and KC who knows . I think KC could keep it around a TD but also think they could lose 24-7 .

lean Ravens +3.5 ...

another crazy one Pitt -10 away ? Not sure cincys defense is that bad to warrant better then a TD.

Lions is disarray now cant lay it with Houston but may have to depending on who plays.....

Packers no doubt but waiting on injury report.

Hard to believe that CLE doesnt let down but dont see how they can be 7 . Skins did some shuffling and just hope CLE can get hot now.

Raiders probably as Jets offense looking blah still and think a game where OAK can compete and maybe steal one but its a lean

Hard to not like TB one scary thing believe TB is near flawless ATS so at some point they will be overvalued . WHile SEA sucks they need to win the turnover battle or at least not hand TB points . Cant touch SEA w/o Branch IMO and cant lay DD with TB offense .

NE issue there secondary facing a good pass attack but Denver looks like shit past 2 weeks . Have to wait on injuries ti Scheffler and Stokely . Royal 100% yet ? Doesnt seem like it because they could use him on offense . The deal with NE is simple they need RBS and when they can run they wil win resting there defense which teh front 7 is fine and allowing Cassel to not have to win the game ....so MNF after a bad primetime showing like NE .....
 
SF_capper said:
what.. the fuck....?! Wash -7 vs Cleveland?! So we have Giants -9 @ Cleveland then Wash -7 at home? I understand maybe -9 for the giants was off but dude. thats implying a 9 point difference in Giants and Wash? Week 1 Giants were -4 vs Wash. This line is short...
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Problem is both NYG lines were off . Thought the same thing as well initiallly . Then I had NYG at most -4.5 @ CLE yesterday and thought vs Wash should have been -5.5 but Wash not the offense that NYG is either so riskier as chalk .

before yesterday thought at most CLE should be +10 @ NYG so in that sense a TD makes sense ...
 
Nut good write up. I am leaning the Bears,Chargers and Packers.Also waiting to monitor injuries. Bears are my favorite play and come Sunday might be my only one.
 
just locked in Houston and Washington.

Detroit cannot play football this yr and did the right thing and amazingly got a lot of value in a receiver that was on his way out this offseason. 9 is a big number, esp with houston, but Houston's offense has been top 5 lately- no joke. Couple key fumbles last week messed up the score.

Wash off a loss that again had many fumbles in scoring opportunities including one returned for the TD. Cleveland won their superbowl- now back to earth on the road. line seems short to me me, at least 7.5 is reasonable

Have an offer out there on Chicago, if anyone wants Minny +3 +120- my offers up
 
SF_capper said:
what.. the fuck....?! Wash -7 vs Cleveland?! So we have Giants -9 @ Cleveland then Wash -7 at home? I understand maybe -9 for the giants was off but dude. thats implying a 9 point difference in Giants and Wash? Week 1 Giants were -4 vs Wash. This line is short...
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i agree that it's wash or no play, but don't think the line is short. that giants/browns line was possibly the worst set line of this season. that should have been -3.5. i was actually hoping on a shorter line to play the skins...

think the browns should be able to score on this team, but they will have to continue to be creative, because springs should shut down braylon (osu vs mich, come on) and rogers/smoot should shut down stallworth. they'll have to have success running the ball and getting it to the tight ends. on defense, the browns are pretty much screwed unless zorn tries to outthink himself (which is very possible, i saw it in week 1). they can't stop the run, and skins should have success giving the ball to portis 35 times and setting up playaction.

one concern i'd have with a skins ticket is the big advantage on special teams i expect the browns to have. not only is cribbs a better return man, but he's a great contributor as a special teams defender. other than that, they should have significant advantages at kicker and punter as well...skins just replaced what was the league's worst punter with someone who could be the next league's worst punter. plackemeier - career avg of 35 net yards per punt, has battled injuries this season, and was cut by the seahawks in week 1 after two 22 yard shanks.

if the skins can get through this game turnover free like they did in the first few games, i think the -7 is good. but after a 3 turnover game, i wouldn't be so sure they do so. if they turn the ball over, i think it's close, because those are even more short fields in a game that they are going to likely lose the field possession battle due to special teams.

think it has a good possibility of landing very near the number. everybody is talking letdown, but that could backfire, because this is still very much a must win for the browns, and i think they gained a lot of momentum with that win. still a short week and a big win vs a pissed off team at home. horrible spot. i said i wouldn't back the browns on the road, and i stand by that. i think that if you back the skins and lose, you could likely double up the next week at jacksonville and win. i'm almost certain that they don't cover both games. but i don't think they lose big in both either.
 
Saints-Panthers usually play close games. Brees should get Colston back. Carolina will be looking to avenge their spanking by Tampa in division play. Saints are better away than home under Sean Payton, so don't overvalue this aspect. I'm not betting because I think Carolina by a FG sounds spot-on.
 
dammit blue chip; not what i wanted to hear. i'll likely be on your saints for a big one this week. game should be a pk imo. don't think car can keep up here.

i hate to keep harping on this every week, but what in the world is with this denver line? just don't understand why they keep getting this much credit, especially away from home. line should be -6 at the very least imo. really starting to put me on tilt. ridiculously set line. i know there are some head to head trends that favor den, but fuck they haven't played in a couple years. denver's injury report is a mile long and they have to travel all that way, and they're expected to pretty much win in that situation with an awful defense? after they beat the hell out of oakland, what have they done to deserve this respect from the linesmakers? they've been favored in all 5 games since, and are 1-4 ATS, losing su twice and really should/could have lost them all. sd we know about, no missed a fg late, and tb had griese knocked out of the game only for garcia to come in and throw a 4th quarter pick, and they also needed a 55 yard field goal to defeat tb by 3 and not cover. they are a 4-2 team that has played about as good as a 1-5 team. i have set their lines at: jax -3.5, sd -3, tb pk, no pk, kc +4, oak -3...these have each been about a fg or more off of what the linesmakers have set them at. hate to sound like a broken record week in and week out, but i don't know what linesmakers are seeing that i'm not...
 
The great part about NE is everytime they lose the sky is falling media blitz starts . Cassel cant do this and Cassel cant do that . Well Cassel needs help and NE as team needs to have favorable situations to suceed as well. Its obvious the secondary is weak but the front seven is still good

Problem with NO is you Have Carolina is off a bad loss and will hve some sort of bounce back effort . Based on recent performance NO is better then CAR but the dynamic of grading teams solely based on home play vs solely based on road play is real important IMO minus the 6 worst teams in the game . Hard to have interest in a game knocked from 4 to possibly less then 3 . I played some at +3.5 looking to middle and hoping it is CAR by 3 pts. I would make NO -1 on a neutral field but in this spot I thought -3 was correct except it opened -4.

I thought last week was tough with the injuries but this now looks harder . Good news is wound up 10-4 so hopefully I can figure this out ....:36_11_6::cheers:
 
that's the difference between us nut; i'd make new orleans a minimum of 5 pts better on a neutral field...think we've already talked about this, but i just think car is a very overrated football team. car and denver have just been playing way over their heads so far imo
 
ATS UPDATE

Did some quick research probably need to double check and maybe break it down better at some point this week.

My thoughts on NFL 08 :
As I have said I believe HOME FIELD is a huge factor in 2008 for teams and really key in understanding how a game plays out . There are a few bad teams really starting to show there face IMO Det , STL , SF , SEA (w/o Hasselback) , Oakland , KC and maybe Cincy (w/o Palmer) . Now those teams really dont have a so called home field edge IMO though KC is borderline depending on there health (believe Huard played injured last start @ CAR which barely got mentioned) . These teams that I say dont have a home field edge to me that means there general play is no better home or away . So with the mythical Home Field factored into a spread they are less valuable at home IMO because they are unlikely to win so the say 7 pts they lose for home field ( 3.5 pt swing = 7pts) is tremendous lose of value even though they are home. So its not about Stadium , home crowds its about performance. Players should be statistical better at home by a clear margin IMO. In a sense Home field should bring out the best in a player which should translate into statiscal edges . So here it goes......

Home team records of the so called weak teams:
Cincy 0-2 (0-1 Fitzpatrick)
Oak 0-2
KC 1-1 (of the mentioned best home field factor when Huard is healthy IMO)
Det 0-2
SF 1-3
Seattle 1-2
StL 0-2

So 3-14 for these teams with SF win being vs Det and Seattle vs Stl so even weaker then it looks because weak team vs weak team doesnt say much . AFC 23-18 ( 1-5 bad teams) at home NFC 30-17(2-9) = 53-35 so take away the 3-14 and its 50-21 for Home teams .

So really look at how hard winning a road game in the NFC is outside of the Det SF , Seattle and STL. Teams are 28-8 . NFC East 9-3 with Wash having 2 away conference wins and a bad home loss . NFC South is 12-1 and Zona is 3-0 which puts those 3 divisions since Zona has 3 bottomffeders IMO at 24-4 .

Have to think AFC teams at NFC sites is going to be angle but have to research that .

Anyway so try and add the week by weeek breakdown at some point as well.
All season to date :(closing lines may slightily fluctuate but using I believe Pinnacle closes which to me tends to be the tighest market as Matchbook is more an exchange then market) There are probably 5 or 6 games that could be graded differently or bumped into a different spread category will have to list those as well . I pay such close attention to the lines I basically remember where they all ended up universally so there might be just 2 or 3 games that are tough to clearly grade...

Home Favs :
-1 to -3 : 11-5-2 (only 2-3 past 2 weeks)
Of the losses 4 were SU and OUR ( as in CTG bettors) beloved Texans are the 1 SU win laying -3 or less who didnt cover the spread . The SU losses were Bears hosting TB and NO hosting Minny . Along with two injury QB games that were -1 Cincy vs Cle when Palmer was late scratch opened -3.5 and Sea hosting GB this week closed at -1.

-3.5 to -6.5: 12-13
Really 2 weeks in week #2 and #5 responsible is both seeing 1-4 marks . Of the 13 ATS losses 8 were SU .

-7 to -9.5 : 7-1
Lone loss was also SU SD in week 1 hosting Carolina laying -9.5 opened -10 .

DD chalk : 1-9
Have to check this but either 4 or 5 are SU . As I know 4 ATS wins that were losses were by 1, 2 ,3 and 9pts (on a 16pt spread) . So have to figure out the 1 game ...Lone win was Car -10 vs KC....

Home Dogs :
+3 or less : 4-11
Not positive but believe all 4 wins were SU . ATL this week was .

+3.5 to +6.5 : 4-2-1
Only CLE covering +6 vs Pitt on SNF was not a SU win but ATS win. Losses were Cle in week 1 hosting Dallas and this week SF hosting Philly .

+7 or more : 2-3
Wins Browns on MNF and KC (happy to hit both MLs) . Losses Rams twice NYG and Buffalo then Oak vs SD .

Home Favs 31-28-2
Home Dogs 10-16-1 or Road Chalk 16-10-1

Favs should be 47-38-3 (46-29-3 minus DD chalk though).

Now thats its basically looked at glad to see that my thoughts were verified by the stats . As important as home field is it also has to be understand that it doesnt clearly imply anything in regards to the spread . It just means that two neutral teams have shown that home field is the deciding factor . Which is validated by the success of small home favs IMO. Also though struggling teams at home have fared well despite being ony 6-5-1 ATS catching 3.5 or more because really 4 of the 5 losses are the my "bad teams" and only KC has a win so that leaves the other home dogs as 5-1 ATS catching 3.5 or better .

At worst hopefully this makes a few decisions easier but like everything else patterns change quickly and what happened yesterday isnt always relevant .
:cheers:





 
broadwayjoe said:
that's the difference between us nut; i'd make new orleans a minimum of 5 pts better on a neutral field...think we've already talked about this, but i just think car is a very overrated football team. car and denver have just been playing way over their heads so far imo
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I think the difference actually is when I mention I line its more in terms of how a linesmaker would make it out rather any sort of number that I develop . Splitting hairs in a sense but may explain the viewpoint difference . I do think that NYG should have been -4 @ Cle on Monday so in some games I am sure we matchup . Also I would disagree on the basis of NO home spreads . They have been lined very weak the past 3 games .

Look at like this ...

vs SF closed -4.5 which on paper says really NO is only 1 or 1.5 pts better then SF and clearly wrong but still would not make it much more then -4.5 on a neutral field at this moment .

vs Minny -3 basically says they are even and while I thought going in Minny was a tad stronger making a PKem more acurrate . I feel since that game Minny didnt play at the level I expected but just won in a desperate spot while NO impressed me but still showed the weakness of sloppiness . So I would no longer feel Minny -3 vs NO on a neutral field and closer to NO -1 .

vs Oak -7 or 7.5 regardless it says NO is 4 betters then Oak . Now they whipped an would expect they are more like 7 or 7.5 pts better on a neutral field .

Now Carolina I agree is not a very good team but its solid which to me means tough to beat at home and struggle to win on the road .

There is no way I can say NO is 5 pts better on a neutral field because Carolina is close to Minnesota and has a better offense with a lesser but solid defense. So more along the lines of having NO -1 / PK vs Minny the same would apply vs Carolina .

Also look at the fact TB was +3.5 @ NO again denoting very similair strength . Now Carolina went to TB way to strong this week and TB was on of my best plays . TB should have been laying a FG that game . Naturally it wouldnt matter but knowing the line was clearly bad makes the results to me of less importance . Bad lines have the more extreme outcomes such as Cheifs winning SU or CLE SU as huge dogs or the huge number of DD favs that have suffered and even loss SU .. so in my world that outcome is predictable from a bad line .

Also NO was about +5 @ Den denoting Denver as stronger but I would agree that they are not . Still at most I grade NO -1.5 vs Denver on a neutral field.

It's just allows me a great expectation of to see how lines are adjusted.

Best example of a game I fucked up on this week . Music City will like this . Anyway I dont see Zona as very impressive but I was blinded by that and didnt focus on the line being off . Wash hosted Zona as small favs and won SU and ATS by a slim margin but close look tells me Wash bad some key plays and Zona some key errors to get that outcome. SO line is very accurate IMO in the sense Wash and Arizona are very equal in terms of team strength and spread value . Sort of interchangable. Now the problem with this is people see this as comparing and trust me its not . Its evaluating teams and rather then suggesting power rankings for them I create a sort of database in my head of how teams would be lined against eachother . Then do my best to adjust based on the factors I see as implying adjustment which would take forever and cliffs notes for me to explain .

Back to my lecture . Wash won SU as 10 pt dogs @ Dallas . Even knowing the line might be similiar next time around I would not expect Dal to be more tehn -3 @ Wash so being -6 @ Arizona was CLEARLY a bad number even -4.5 was .

I missed that in my evaluation until I looked at it after the game was played.

I work on the belief lines are off slightly usually 1.5 to 3 pts its rare to see something like NYG @ CLE being anywhere bewteen 3.5 and 5 pts off . WHich leads to 2 questions ? Is it adjustment to create the illusion of value or is the betting market really suppporting that inflated number . After research I felt the markeyt was clearly supporting a bad number so went and faded NYG .

Its not an exact science is something I guess one could say I have had a knack for and why I may find some out of the box plays that as I see as strong .

Your best strength might be finding a better true value or power ranking then my logic . I just feel my approach to understanding lines is time tested not better or the right way but something that has given me a clear opinion .

I do not believe that NO would ever better then a PK @ CArolina which still would IMO be to strong . I know NO gets credit for being such a good road team under Payton. I think whats lost is it comes from being such an underperformer at home that they create must win type situations on the road . Thanks to there overall talent they tend to step up and win those type games . Which is exactly what happened to NYG in 07 . There road record was this and that but its because they kept blowing games at home and needed to win certain road games to stay in the playoff hunt . Then comes the postseason same goal in a sense as now the SB is the ultimate goal . Because of a so-so reg season they are forced to play on the road . So to attain there goal of the SB and what is every teams goal once the playoff starts they MUST win on the road . There is no other way to accomplish it .

So the belief these teams are better on the road is wrong IMO because there failure at home is part of there success away. Now improve that failure at home and that could lead to a decresed level in road play because the MUST win label is no longer attached to the games . The do or die circumstance is no longer on those games because they are winning at home .

Sorry for the ramble. Just how i feel on the subject think its looked at to black and white . I guess nothing is black or white to me its all somewhere in bewteen .:cheers:
 
What I meant to say in the middle was I cant say NO is clearly better then Car by say 4 or 5 pts because thats what the lines and performance vs teams like SF and OAK say or at least close to those teams . I see Car more like Minny which not suprising Minny was -3 vs Carolina . Which in turn NO was -3 vs Minny and lost SU at home ....so it just shows how those teams are very similiar in strength and sort of interchangeable .
 
Also its guesstimation work and I can be wrong . The more info I can draw from the better I tend to be at understanding the relevance and accuracy of a line. Mistake I made this week in CFB was trying to guess the difference bewteen Hawaii and LaTech without having much more then opinion to use . I thought -7.5 was kinda high but it closed at -10 and pushed . Luckily I waited till gametime to play it and caught +10.5 -120 . Still while I was wrong about the difference in qualit bewteen the two I wasnt very far off. So its a learning process and a game from week to week .....
 
i follow what you're saying, but some of the same reasons of why i was on the vikings when they played car is why i'm on the saints now. i don't think car and minn are as even as the line suggested, so i pounced on minn. and as you know from our previous discussions, and even about this minn/car game, i am not that high on minn.

i thought minn was better than car because of my low opinion on car...thought the outcome in the game, delhomme being held under 200, rushing a non-existent...had less to do with minn being good and more to do with car being bad. i think the same thing here.

linesmakers thought differently, giving us a weak number at tenn, which i played opposite of (won), imo what was a weak number against no which i played opposite of (in a losing cause), and an inflated number against detroit which i played opposite of (won)

as soon as the bad team (car) played a good team after that game---tampa---they got blown out on a very weak number of -2 (atl is a good team, but i expect them to struggle on the road). even though they won ats vs atl and kc, the numbers were off imo, and clearly off vs tampa. so linesmakers clearly thought the minn/car game had more to do with minn than it did car. i disagreed and it has won me money. i thought a more accurate line would have been minn -7 vs car...and i thought the saints line of -3 vs minn was weak, so of course i'm going to think the saints line of +3 is weak here....the wrong team is favored.


to me...this is similar to my thinking on rutgers/fresno at the beginning of the year. linesmakers made it clear that they thought the outcome of that game had a lot more to do with fresno being good than it had to do with rutgers being bad. they were flat out wrong, and i took advantage for several games. sometimes you can these swing games for teams that linesmakers are trying to figure out and adjust, and it has an effect on future lines. doesn't happen often, and it's not a huge part of how i cap, but it's certainly recognizable sometimes.
 
btw, very nice discussion going on here.

games I'm liking:
Wash: Again, though not too short, I'd expect Wash to cover this one. Cleveland off their superbowl- as we all agreed last monday- and its very difficult to get up on the road after such an emotional game for them. Without Eli's 3 picks, NYG win/if not lose by less than 1 score. the pick 6 in the red zone down 14 really made this look worse than it was, as a TD wouldnt made it a TD game. Wash completely blew their game last week and can see a bounceback. What was a turnover free team fumbled 3 times in scoring position throughout the game. Line wise- week 1 NYG were -4.5 vs Wash, last monday NYG -8 @ cleveland. altho week 1 was likely off at the time, Wash has shown progression and I wouldn't say today a game at NY, the Giants would be favored more than 4.5 against wash- -1 neutral field. Monday was clearly wrong, and for discussion sake we'll say a better line would've been NYG -3.5- -7 neutral field. move it around, thats Wash -6 neutral field over Cleveland -9 at home. Then consider motivational aspects (Wash off a loss- cleveland off superbowl W) and I like wash

Houston -9. Heavy number for Houston, but hard to say it should be any lower. Detroit not showing much of anything with AP fumbling at the 5, then again at Det 40. Then the blocked FG. Detroit now without their number 1 receivers (whether effective or not, still losing their number 1 receiver) and 2nd game on the road with not really much to play for. Houston final also was a bit deceving with Andre's fumble in the endzone (bitch), Wilsons fumble at the 25 off the INT (bitch) and the missed 2 pt (BITCH). Take that number 1 CB back Robinson questionable- and think is a blowout in the making. Likely not too smart to lay 9 pts with Houston, but if there were any- this is the spot.
 
Also on Chicago- off the heartbreak which is a bit of a concern. Really lost it when they didnt convert the 1st and goal at the 1. Chicago now 3-3 which really couldve been 6-0 (2 OT losses and this one- all losses were opposing teams coming from behind). Playing for the division lead at home. Home teams been doing well in this spot
 
ok weak, had a writeup, but accidentally pressed backspace and it back spaced the page. fuck it- I like New England
 
broadwayjoe said:
i follow what you're saying, but some of the same reasons of why i was on the vikings when they played car is why i'm on the saints now. i don't think car and minn are as even as the line suggested, so i pounced on minn. and as you know from our previous discussions, and even about this minn/car game, i am not that high on minn.

i thought minn was better than car because of my low opinion on car...thought the outcome in the game, delhomme being held under 200, rushing a non-existent...had less to do with minn being good and more to do with car being bad. i think the same thing here.

linesmakers thought differently, giving us a weak number at tenn, which i played opposite of (won), imo what was a weak number against no which i played opposite of (in a losing cause), and an inflated number against detroit which i played opposite of (won)

as soon as the bad team (car) played a good team after that game---tampa---they got blown out on a very weak number of -2 (atl is a good team, but i expect them to struggle on the road). even though they won ats vs atl and kc, the numbers were off imo, and clearly off vs tampa. so linesmakers clearly thought the minn/car game had more to do with minn than it did car. i disagreed and it has won me money. i thought a more accurate line would have been minn -7 vs car...and i thought the saints line of -3 vs minn was weak, so of course i'm going to think the saints line of +3 is weak here....the wrong team is favored.


to me...this is similar to my thinking on rutgers/fresno at the beginning of the year. linesmakers made it clear that they thought the outcome of that game had a lot more to do with fresno being good than it had to do with rutgers being bad. they were flat out wrong, and i took advantage for several games. sometimes you can these swing games for teams that linesmakers are trying to figure out and adjust, and it has an effect on future lines. doesn't happen often, and it's not a huge part of how i cap, but it's certainly recognizable sometimes.
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I played minny as well but more because of the fact I felt they were close in strength and Vikes needed that win . Minny has managed to win there desperation games which I aslo backed them @ NO. However they have not done in convincing manner .

The difference with te RU and Fresno game is it was the 1st game so if you do have an great feel for the teams its much easier to exploit a line. I dont think they opened Car -4 to give away money rather to entice NO money . I could be wrong but Car defense has been good vs weak teams so far offensively . NO 0-2 away still has to prove itself but also see 4-0 at home and 0-2 on the road changing the idea they are better away already.

I think your maybe correct in a sense but Minny didnt do much to say the should have been -7 vs car . They made the game changing play before half and shut them down .

How is NO going to be vs the run on the road w/o Ellis and it also lost a CB . Oak , Minny and SF are all worse then Car at this point IMO .

Good debate interesting game. Think the line is tight but feel CAR wins:cheers:
 
Awesome work so far guys, just a little more to add on the San Diego @ Buffalo game:

SD just beat New England with two time revenge- and a team that they had a special bullseye on- on a national stage on Sunday Night-HUGE WIN for them, especially with Denver losing earlier in the day.

Now we have Buffalo, and as silly as this may sound...I don't even care who starts at QB for Buffalo in this game......They have just come off their bye after getting embarassed at Arizona in a prime spot for Zona- so they've had over a week to study SD....They also host SD in an early start across the country in Ralph Wilson....One little stat that I like to follow is team's flying 3 time zones, so far this year-with or without staying on that particular coast the HOST team is 10-4 ats this year.

Other 3 time zone games of note:
SF @ NYG
NYJ @ OAK
SEA @ TB

Now that I finally posted this stat, the traveling team probably shows up, but this SD/BUF game looks the best of the group with the lines that are out there.

Good luck to all
 
Probably going to stay away from Houston v Det . Really dont see value in Houston they have a problem with self destructing . They never maximize opportunities bewteen untimely turnovers and settling for FGs . They had 2 drives aearly ended on INTs where they were making a move , they settled for FGs rather then TDs on a few occassions and also fumbled inside the 10 . There just isnt much difference bewteen Miami and Det IMO. Basically need Houston to be winning by at least 17 with 6 to play to feel comfortable . I thought Det was okay on offense and faces a much more reasonable defense @ Houston . They pissed away the Colts game and they nearly pissed away the Miami game on the heels of being unable to hold on at Jax . So at the moment its part of there DNA IMO . Det has done very little positive in 2008 and Minny could be a building block . Roy Williams while a nice talent really doesnt mean much to be in terms of affecting the spread maybe a 1/2 or 1 pt .

Also dont but that MNF was CLE Super Bowl but rather its coming out party . Wash received alot of credit for narrow wins vs NO who had barely any healthy players especially on defense , where outplayed by Zona but won thanks to TOs , snuck by Dallas bt 2 pts and then Philly by a few as well . Still think CLE is solid and maybe that win renergized them. Of course short week worries me and Was off a SU loss but Wash is just medicore to me . Everyone made a big deal about 2 conference road games for WASH and they pulled it off ....so lean CLE

Played CHI -2.5 earlier in the week @-125 . Minny jsut ripe for a loss IMo....

:cheers:
 
The Buffalo -SD game is tough but not having Chambers on the road will be a bigger issue . I just hate that they face NO in London afterwards . Not that much difference bewteen Losman and Edwards. Losman the HR hitter with Edwards less INT prone . The travel is definetly an issue so maybe 1st H fade better ? SD rallied @ Miami ...

Good post. Thanks and GL
 
Something of note in that SD/Buf game that I just noticed and I'll start a new thread on.....San Diego's turnover margin is +4, while Buffalo's is -3....a key stat that might have me re-evaluate things, although coming off a bye hopefully they focused on this from the Buffalo point of view.
 
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marshawn lynch rarely updates his yardbarker blog, so it’s tough to remember to check up on it, especially if you’re as lazy and uninspired as i am. But he did update his site last week before the bills were handed their first loss of the season. And, as with any post from beast mode, it was solid. And it don’t get no better than solid.
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Just didnt like to see it jump 2 pts pretty quick . Miami has found ways to move the ball and Balt tends to be a tad slower on the real grass from what I recall ( I know who isnt ) . I think Miami s defense can be had and it depends on really how Balt starts . If Flacco is forced to just throw then he is an easy target . If they can mix it up and you have 2 QBs who can make mistakes then 20-17 wouldnt be to suprising . I think Balt is going to score some points here as in the 20s . So I was thinking over at 35 but now stuck ......

Seems harbaugh defending Cameron his OC now lit a fire under the Dolphisn players as well ..hopefully Cameron can exploit his old defense though .....interesting for Balt is they were Miami's only win in 2007 .....

gettin salty down there in Miami actually migt be a good game ....:cheers:
 
SportsNut said:
I played minny as well but more because of the fact I felt they were close in strength and Vikes needed that win . Minny has managed to win there desperation games which I aslo backed them @ NO. However they have not done in convincing manner .

The difference with te RU and Fresno game is it was the 1st game so if you do have an great feel for the teams its much easier to exploit a line. I dont think they opened Car -4 to give away money rather to entice NO money . I could be wrong but Car defense has been good vs weak teams so far offensively . NO 0-2 away still has to prove itself but also see 4-0 at home and 0-2 on the road changing the idea they are better away already.

I think your maybe correct in a sense but Minny didnt do much to say the should have been -7 vs car . They made the game changing play before half and shut them down .

How is NO going to be vs the run on the road w/o Ellis and it also lost a CB . Oak , Minny and SF are all worse then Car at this point IMO .

Good debate interesting game. Think the line is tight but feel CAR wins:cheers:
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another weak line is tcu tonight nut...nice hit for the both of us. don't know why i brought up ru/fresno because it's kind of hard to explain why i think it's similar, but.... i think that car could have been going into that game nothing other than overrated based on their first two games coming in, while linesmakers were yet to adjust minn, because they pretty much performed just as expected in the first two games.

it seemed like what linesmakers took away from that game is "ok we're going to keep carolina where we have them rated (which is overrated), and rate minn higher because of this game". this logic is wrong imo, because i would have attributed the outcome of the game to car being bad rather than needing to rank minn higher to adjust. then it has a trickle effect because you have a team that remains overrated (car), then you have another overrated team (minn) for the next few weeks because of that initial rating. (if you can follow that at all)

similar thing happened in that fresno game. afterwards i faded rutgers and fresno because they said "ok, we're going to keep RU where we had them rated, and adjust fresno higher"...which again, was wrong imo. that was the comparison. i didn't even bet that game...just took away different things than linesmakers did...

you're right, minny didn't do much to deserve to lay 7, and car did do a lot to push the line to 3 (which was obviously inaccurate), but that's exactly how we got the value...because of the recent 2 weeks' performance by car. if it was week one...it could very well have been 7, or at least closer to it...perception based on two weeks gave us a weak line that was not in line with how these teams actually compared to one another

and it is always an advantage to play at home vs the road, i don't care what any stats show...it's usually an anomaly or some sort of psychological mindfuck like you mentioned. so the 4-2 might disprove the theory they are better on the road, which i already believe is a no brainer, but it doesn't disprove that they are a team that i trust to cover on the road versus a team like buffalo, cle, ariz, sea...in which there have been some bigtime disparities between the way they play at home versus on the road. you can't trust those teams on the road imo.

it's okay that we have different perceptions on how good or bad car is, but let's just make it clear right now that we definitely do. i think sf and minny are better than car at this point. i would only put car marginally ahead of oak...so we just have some very different opinions.

good debate though i agree; we'll have to see how it plays out throughout the season. bol bro

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What about Chargers at. Bills game? HC is moving, but over 44 looks quite decent for me.

Bills will have Edwards back after injury and that is good thing considering how Losman performed two weeks ago (1 INT and 2 fumbles). Buffalo has the 13th-ranked pass attack (214.6 ypg) in the league with Edwards as signal caller this season. Also wideout Roscoe Parrish (7 receptions, 1 TD) may be back in this game after injury and that is big boost for Bills special team. The Chargers' defense hasn't looked the same minus injured linebacker Shawne Merriman, ranking 28th in total defense (365.7 ypg) and 31st against the pass (253.5 ypg). The unit has also yielded 139 points, 19th worst in the league.

On the other hand Chargers are very potent offensive unit. LT hasn't played like he knows this season. Just something over 3.4 yards per carry, no scores in last 2 weeks... Well he is fighting with nagging toe injury. With that on mind, it seems like Chargers game play can be same this game. Much more pass plays against the eighth-best pass defense (184.8 ypg), but still without CB Terrence McGee (knee).

44 may be much, but I can see this game going over...
 
NO at Carolina, Minni at Chicago and Pittsburgh at Cinncy are really no play games for me, can go either way IMHO.

But Titans at Chiefs is another story. -8 Titans looks pretty decent in my book. I think Titans defence will limit Chiefs to something like 10 or less pts, and Titans will put something around 20+, so maybe easiest game this week for me.
 
also nut, i dont think books were necessarily trying to entice NO money because once they released -4,, they sharply adjusted it down to the next key number

ill have my buff/sd thoughts later...good stuff on that game so far
 
I do not like Denver here. Line is amazingly short in my eyes as books continually try to adjust for NE. A very simplified view of NE this season:
week 1: lose Brady- lose ATS as DD faves-- espn- "Patriots are done... no brady no chance, etc."
week 2: underdogs at NYJ?? win espn- "Patriots will be fine. Bellicik will always find ways to win no matter whos back there. Lets not forget this tream still has many weapons..."
week 3: lose st8 up at DD faves to Miami. espn- "NE has too many problems. teams like miami will be gunning for them but they cannot handle it. the defense is hurt and cassel cannot lead this team.."
week 5: beat Niners as small faves espn: that bye week came just in time for NE. seems they got what they needed to do in order and look for them to play a little differently, but still win.
week 6: get owned by SD as 6 pt dogs. espn: you know.

so imo the lines are fluctuating a lot as each week progresses, unsure of where to put NE. I would not put too much stock into the loss to SD. It was SD's 'must win' and with huge revenge from playoffs etc. Their secondary looked weak against SD, but still we all know belichick will find a way to bounce back. Not to make excuses, but despite the two long balls that set up SD's 2 first TDs, and the missed FG that put them down 14 in the first Q, in the 3rd, NE was still at the 1 charging to be down one score. didnt convert- another 60 yrd bomb and ball game. I'd imagine NE fixes some problems and pulls themselves together this week, esp if Maroney can go. They NEED their running backs. what better cure for NE than the worst defense (YPG wise) in the league. This Denver team can easily be 2-4 with wins over SD from the hochuli game and NO missing gamewinner FG with 1:30 left. Outside of beating up on Oakland and beating Tampa with their starting QB in the 3rd.

not sold on Denver and do not think these two teams are of equal strength. Perception on NE is so shifty that I would't be too surprised to see crazyish lines all yr
 
Still looking over this shit as the inury reports are ridiculous each week IMO .

Have changed gears on some games .

I know there is alot of interest in Buffalo but that team is banged up . McGee is out , Youbouty is questionable but probably doubtful , Ko Simpson has a bad hammy , Scheobel is a G/T decision . Edwards will play and Chambers looks out for SD. Just cant understand how SD isnt a FG here or there abouts ....

Buffalo Bills
<TABLE cellPadding=0 width=900 bgColor=#eeeeee border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" width=50>Updated</TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" width=50>Player</TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" width=50>Pos.</TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" width=50>Injury</TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" width=50>Status</TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" width=230>Update</TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" width=400>Rotowire Analysis</TD></TR><TR><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">10/17/2008 4:43:26 PM </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Ashton Youboty </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">CB </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Foot </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">probable </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Youboty will be a game-time decision Sunday after participating on just a limited basis Thursday and Friday, the Bills' official site reports. </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">The Bills kind of need Youboty, as they're already without starting corner Terrence McGee and are about to face a pretty good passing offense from the Chargers (No. 8 in the NFL). If Youboty can't play, then they're down to just three healthy corners on the roster, two of them rookies. </TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#ffffff colSpan=7>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">10/17/2008 4:54:21 PM </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Aaron Schobel </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">DE </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Foot </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">questionable </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Schobel (foot) is questionable for Sunday's game against San Diego, the Bills' official site reports. </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Schobel's foot has been bugging him for a few weeks and he didn't make much progress over the bye week. On the positive side, he's never missed an NFL game and he's in his eighth season, so it would seem he'll try to gut it out against a tough AFC opponent. </TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#ffffff colSpan=7>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">10/17/2008 4:56:09 PM </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Roscoe Parrish </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">WR </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Thumb </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">probable </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Parrish (thumb) is probable for Sunday's game against San Diego, the Bills' official site reports. </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">It looks like he's going to play, and even though he may be slightly limited in his first game since Week 3, he'll end up returning a week or two ahead of schedule. </TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#ffffff colSpan=7>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">10/17/2008 4:58:34 PM </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Trent Edwards </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">QB </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Concussion </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">probable </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Edwards (concussion) is probable for Sunday's game against San Diego, the Bills' official site reports. </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Everything says he's going to play Sunday, so the only real worry using Edwards the rest of the way would be another big hit to the head so close to the concussion he's gotten over. He'll also get Roscoe Parrish back as a third receiver this week. </TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#ffffff colSpan=7>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">10/17/2008 4:51:05 PM </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Derek Fine </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">TE </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Thumb </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">doubtful </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Fine (thumb) is doubtful for Sunday's game against San Diego, the Bills' official site reports. </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">The rest of the Buffalo offense is pretty healthy, so there's not a huge rush to get Fine in action, even though that will probably happen within the next few weeks. </TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#ffffff colSpan=7>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">10/17/2008 1:27:20 PM </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Terrence McGee </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">CB </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Knee </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">Out </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">McGee (left knee) won't play in Sunday's game against the Chargers, the Associated Press reports. </TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 3px">As a result, Leodis McKelvin and Ashton Youboty (health permitting) will see added work in place of McGee, who will miss his second consecutive game. </TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#ffffff colSpan=7>
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I look @ SD and see +1 @ Denver , -9 @ Oakland , -7 @ Miami so how are they +1 here (opened -1) ??

I know the whole travel thing and warm weather team in cold weather .

Bills off a bye but SD goes to London after this game to play NO. So this seems more winnable while Bills have a trip to Miami on deck.

Bills were -10 at home to Oakland a West team and almost lost winning late by 1 . They were only -1 vs Seattle to start the season .

Not saying I will definetly play it but SD is very interesting to me . They have also been there since Friday to get adjusted a bit to the time zone.

Did really like CHI early on but with so many banged up corners its concerns me . Good thing is Minnys WRs are banged up as well . Waiting here to decide if I will keep my Bears -2.5 from earlier on . Hard to not like an UNDER .

I am on Carolina . The Saints impress me but there two best games were home to OAK And SF two bad teams while Car is in the Minny level who happened to win @ NO...

Minor interest in CIncy . The Bengals have played hard each week and 10 is alot for a team with OL issues to cover on the road vs anybody.

Really the same with KC. Hard to lay mearly 10 on the road when Tenny is minus 2 WRs ....

If I had to lean towards something in the rest SF , Dallas and Nalt would be them.....BOL

Thats all for now:cheers:






 
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