Week 6 ML Dogs

I am also a contrarian. To pick upset winners I really think you have to be because just about any evidence you find will support the favorite winning.

FSU is interesting. Everyone knows they are not playing good football. Hell they nearly lost to Louisville, another bad team. But if we remember last season, Miami was pretty hot with big wins over their first 3 and FSU was just 1-2 after nearly losing to WF. And that bad FSU team played a pretty tight game and nearly pulled off the win because they really cared about the Miami game. No doubt they will care again this year. The question is, how much worse off are they right now to compete compared to 2017?
There is always the “Richt” factor, playing close to the vest. Hell, go back and watch the 4th vs UL. Pass could not have walked the ball and handed the ball to his receivers any better than he placed his passes. UL receivers dropped at least 4 balls late in that game that were for sure TDS. FSU will not be that lucky vs the “U”. The cover 2 left center field wide the F open for anyone in the area. Our sub-6’ DBs will not fare well against Miami’s receivers, and don’t get me started on our O-line. Man, we are bad. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see a win. Hell, I would be okay with a cover. But, I cannot see it. very GL to those that play it. I’ll be routing for you.
 
Everyone knows they are not playing good football. Hell they nearly lost to Louisville, another bad team.
I see this a bit differently. I’m not going to downplay beating a Bobby Petrino coached team on the road. He and his team might be having a down year, and I can’t stand the guy for obvious reasons, but he is still and has been a helluva coach. This win on the road for FSU could also be the shot in the arm confidence they needed headed into the back end of their schedule and could be a stepping stone to bigger things this season. We’ll see I guess.
 
The last FSU game I saw was NILL which I saw alot of. They did show good body language and seemed to enjoy the game. They did win comfortably at the end, but it was often a one score-10 pt game throughout most of the game, so it's not like they were just having fun in the blowout. I made a mental note of that because after the Syracuse game I thought they might just start hating on eachother and their coaches. So that atleast showed me there was some life left in them. One would have to believe that they will continue to get incrementally better each week, especially during this 2 game winning streak, the players should still be engaged. Although with reading booksbestfriend post, maybe they aren't getting better they are just playing some teams that are worse off then they are.
 
I see this a bit differently. I’m not going to downplay beating a Bobby Petrino coached team on the road. He and his team might be having a down year, and I can’t stand the guy for obvious reasons, but he is still and has been a helluva coach. This win on the road for FSU could also be the shot in the arm confidence they needed headed into the back end of their schedule and could be a stepping stone to bigger things this season. We’ll see I guess.

Agree 100%, except the only reason fsu won was because of terrible decisions by Petrino. He has worst contract for university. They dont have enough money to dump this POS. They gave their athletic director 7 million bonus for bringing fbi to their door. This is a fake school based solely on athletics and paying for the most corrupt leaders they could find.
 
It is rare to see Air Force as a home dog. Historically they are good at pulling upsets as HDs:

2017: +3 vs San Diego State lost 24-28
2016: +9 vs Boise State won 27-20
2015: +3 vs Utah State won 35-28
2014: +13 vs Boise State won 28-14, +3.5 vs Navy won 30-21
2013 AF was a HD 4x and lost those by an avg of 27ppg with zero covers.

This AF team feels more like the 2013 2-10 bunch than the 2014-2016 teams that pulled 4 outright upsets in 4 chances.

Last year Navy's gameplan featured some surprises. They met in the offseason with New Mexico coaching staff as the Lobos's offense had been presenting some unique challenges for the AF D. Navy implemented some NM principles and it worked with a 28-10 HT lead.

AF's run D this year has been surprisingly good. Their D game plans have been to focus on the run and they have been able to limit production there. The last two weeks vs Utah State and Nevada AF limited them to 5.5-5.2 ypc which might not sound great, but consider those teams ran for 8.1-7.8 ypc on the Falcons in 2017 in what was a horrible run D year for the Falcons. In week 2 AF limited FAU to 1.86ypc and Singletary to just 57y 3.5 ypc. The cost of this has been AF has been shredded through the air, something Navy isn't very equipped to exploit except for in special opportunity spots where they catch opposing Ds offguard.

AF has used 3 QBs this year. Sanders appears #1, he was out last week with a concussion. Worthman has been mostly disappointing since his 2016 debut, he started last week in Sanders' absense. Donald Hammond emerged last week seeing his first ever significant action and played well in the 2nd H vs Nevada. Hammonds has been moved to 2nd string with Worthman being demoted to 3rd. Sanders seems to be the best at throwing and running although not especially great at either. Worthman is the best runner (or at one time in his career he was). Hammond's body of work is very small, but he appears to have the best arm of the 3. I would expect Sanders to go here in such an important game, but if he struggles, Hammond could provide a spark like he did last week. Although Sanders has never played in a CIC game either. AF could even roll out a surprise of their own and play Hammond.

Last year Air Force lost to Navy and Army in the same season for the first time since 2005.

AF just really seems to be slumping, they only had 24 yards in the 1st H last week (remember primary QB Sanders did not play however so that was Worthman's O). This is a tough game to play when they aren't doing anything well on O right now. Navy is in a better place with their team although have shown some weakness this year as well.

Air Force is a team that I would want to take in this spot, home dog in a huge rivalry game...I'm just not sure I've seen enough good football out of them. Will be interesting to see if their D, especially the run D, has made as much improvement as the numbers suggest. If it has, AF may find a way to win.
 
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Ones I like right now would be Tulane, Ball State, ULM, Virginia Tech. I'm not even considering ULM a long shot. My long shot would be Bowling Green.
I think we need to continue to look at BG and possibly move this pick up in the pecking order. Your intuition is that they are a longshot but my stats are saying they have a better shot than ULM at least. I'll try to post a ULM/Ole Miss stats later but the short story there is I think Ole Miss is going to blow ULM out....just my humble opinion though. Below I have some positive mojo for your BG pick however. The previous game margins comparisons indicate a 57% chance of winning the game. That's very low for a -20.5 fav!! In pic 2 when I added the BG previous game margins it went down to 33% which is downright horrible for a huge fave. This being a conference game will BG not be better acclimated to what Toledo does? Considering Toledo has hosted a Miami squad which most likely was a physical game, a high-powered Nevada offense, and then they are coming home off a west-coast trip which may have further eroded some energy, it does seem to me Toledo may look at this game as a bit of a breather and possibly take BG lightly. Definitely be on the points I think and maybe we should at least look at the 1st half ML as well. Finally, your intuition into this game could very well be correct and we might have us a great full-game ML dog staring straight at us all right in the face!! I'm warming up to this pick!!

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Just running down the list of home dogs to try and find some attractive ones. Oregon State is another potentially. They play better at home and have a decent HD record.

This year they did get their doors blown off +6 losing 14-35 vs Arizona.

Beavers haven't been good for a while, so comparing the 2018 team to some recent years seems applicable since they had some coaching turnover for those games as well.

Oregon State was 2-2 ATS as a HD last year and came up 4 pts short of pulling 2 upsets. They lost 42-7 +27 vs Washington, although that game was just 7-0 HT (UW was starting road games slow last year, but still strange to see a strong team like UW only lead 7-0 vs a weaker team like OSU). After Anderson resigned they were +10 vs Colorado and lost 33-36 and played some inspired football and could've won that game. The next week they played Stanford without Love and nearly pulled that upset as well +21 losing 14-15. Then they lost to Arizona State 24-40 +7, nothing positive there ASU beat them pretty good with OSU getting 14 pts in garbage time.

In 2016 OSU was 4-1 ATS as a HD. They beat a Davis Webb Cal team in OT 47-44 +13.5. Only lost 14-19 +7 vs a ranked Utah team. That game was just 12-7 Utes with 5min left, Utah recovered a fumble at the O11 to get up 19-7 before OSU scored late. Utah only outgained them by 20 yards. Washington STate came in 6-2 and 5-0 in PAC12. That game was just 35-31 with OSU +14. Beavs actually led 21-0, 24-21 and 31-28 before falling. And in the Civil War, OSU was +3 and beat a reeling Ducks team 34-24.

That makes 6-4 ATS the last 2+ years with two outright upsets (Cal, Oregon) and a few points short of potentially four other upsets (Colorado, Stanford, Utah, Wash St).

Oregon State has got off to some unfortunate slow starts this year and then was able to rack up points and yards after being behind. That needs to change and it continues to be a point of discussion. There would be ways to address this, the staff and team has been unable to do so.

Beavs should be able to run the ball. Their Fr RB Jefferson is 2nd in the nation with 727 yards.

Oregon State isn't good by any stretch, but they also are not quite as bad as perception might be. They started slow vs ASU and got in a hole, but were able to keep their head in the game and cut it to 7 in the 2nd qrt. They were SOD at the A06 in the 3rd. A TD there and it is a 7 pt game again. There isn't much positive to take from the Arizona game, I think alot of people were surprised OSU didn't compete better in that one. They lost to Nevada, but they had 540 yards, nearly 200 more yards than Nevada and lost on a missed 34y FG as time expired.

Injury update - looks like Jake Luton is still limited in practice. He did not travel to ASU last week. OSU is a better team with him at QB. Blount is servicable just less upside. Blount has played in every game this year and a few last year. Blount currently is a 65% passer with a 7-1 TD-INT ratio.

Oregon State has one of the worst run defenses around. Washington State doesn't try to run it much, a point that came up in a Mike Leach press conference this week which Leach answered in typical fashion. It may be somewhat reassuring that WSU isn't as interested or equipped to exploiting one of the worst aspects of OSU's team. WSU is very good throwing it around as always so chances are they will be fine moving the ball in their preferred method of choice. Getting WSU off the field is going to be tough. Will need some Reser Stadium magic. It's happened before.
 
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I think we need to continue to look at BG and possibly move this pick up in the pecking order. Your intuition is that they are a longshot but my stats are saying they have a better shot than ULM at least. I'll try to post a ULM/Ole Miss stats later but the short story there is I think Ole Miss is going to blow ULM out....just my humble opinion though. Below I have some positive mojo for your BG pick however. The previous game margins comparisons indicate a 57% chance of winning the game. That's very low for a -20.5 fav!! In pic 2 when I added the BG previous game margins it went down to 33% which is downright horrible for a huge fave. This being a conference game will BG not be better acclimated to what Toledo does? Considering Toledo has hosted a Miami squad which most likely was a physical game, a high-powered Nevada offense, and then they are coming home off a west-coast trip which may have further eroded some energy, it does seem to me Toledo may look at this game as a bit of a breather and possibly take BG lightly. Definitely be on the points I think and maybe we should at least look at the 1st half ML as well. Finally, your intuition into this game could very well be correct and we might have us a great full-game ML dog staring straight at us all right in the face!! I'm warming up to this pick!!

That is good.

You know your point about Toledo taking them lightly could be something. That is where these rivalry game upsets sometimes come from. The better team not caring as much about as the underdog. Toledo has won 8 straight in the series and might think they roll again...although they might get reminded about the 2016 scare. Still, yeah, it could be a catch your breath type game. BG looks awful, I'm sure when they watch tape they see a D that isn't good. So maybe, just maybe some of that sinks into their head in a way that makes them think they do not prepare quite as hard or take the game quite as seriously. Wish they had a tougher game on deck for this angle to be stronger, but I like the mentality behind it.

The thing that I tend to like about BG here is that Toledo has not been utilizing their running game in a way that matches up with BG's current and historic weakness in the run D. Toledo has some fantastic WRs, but the QB has not been getting them the ball as often as he should, which may help BG's D as well. Not many good ways to spin the game positive for BG's D. The most likely scenario for a BG win is that it is a shootout and a key stop or turnover gives BG a shot.
 
Wanted to say also, Liberty had back-to-back road trips to the land of enchantment. Man that is rough.

I thought RetroVK raised a very good point in his comment about Liberty - NM last week that played out in Liberty's win.

Strange seeing them go from +7 last week to -5 now at NMSt.

On one hand it makes sense, they beat the team that was favored to beat NMST. I'm not so sure the situation is as favorable for the Flames in this game though.
 
Thing is Bowling Green is about the 5th worst team in all of college football by SP+
Maybe they can pull it off for one half?? The first one of course. Maybe hangin’ with Toledo the full game is a bit too much to ask. I would settle for a 1st half ML on a +20 dog.
 
Jrock, It concerns me capping a team I want to fade in Louisville cause GT rolled an inferior team

Tahoelegend said something once that stuck with me even tho I often break rule.

Dont bet on shitty teams. Even in good spots. Had real numbers to back it up. Lots of games, ar least bet on teams you think are good. NBAfan had the other. Haha it was trust your first instinct
 
It seems like lots want to play eastern like me, yet line move is shoulder pinching, I'm concerned, should I wait a week. Strong crosswinds I believe

Western has been playing some good ball of late. Eastern is tough but does have some issues scoring. Western been scoring.

Wow Pitt down to -3

Weird. Public perception of Syracuse couldn't be higher right now. Everyone giving them tons of love...except for bettors. Sneaky. Just wish Pitt had a pulse right now.
 
Western has been playing some good ball of late. Eastern is tough but does have some issues scoring. Western been scoring.



Weird. Public perception of Syracuse couldn't be higher right now. Everyone giving them tons of love...except for bettors. Sneaky. Just wish Pitt had a pulse right now.

But how often has PItt not had a pulse then had a good game vs Cuse?
 
I have a cuse -6 ticket. I have joked with friends about whether I should just burn the thing.

Statistically speaking, Cuse basically just looks a slight bit better across the board.

Why are they betting Pitt imo? I am thinking it is how effective Pitt has played against the running QB's and the overall strength of the schedule they have played. But they really shut down Marshall and GT and they did a really nice job against Penn State and McSorley for 2.5 quarters before the wheels fell off (granted aided by weather for at least part of that game). So if you think you can take away Dungey's legs, Pitt becomes a better look.

I really think this Cuse team can avoid a letdown in this spot just because I think Dungey is a real gamer and will play with emotion. At the end of the day, I think the difference at QB is the difference in the game and that is why I backed Cuse but after you adjust for the competition pitt has played you could argue they are just as good statistically as cuse is right now.

I would have a hard time adding Pitt ML now (were I big ml bettor and if I actually liked them to win - I don't) though when you could have gotten such a better price.
 
I see this a bit differently. I’m not going to downplay beating a Bobby Petrino coached team on the road. He and his team might be having a down year, and I can’t stand the guy for obvious reasons, but he is still and has been a helluva coach. This win on the road for FSU could also be the shot in the arm confidence they needed headed into the back end of their schedule and could be a stepping stone to bigger things this season. We’ll see I guess.
I get why people think he’s a good coach but the numbers tell a different story. He’s 1-11 vs top 25 teams over the last 5 seasons. That’s pathetic. Stoops has more than that this season alone. I am on Louisville tonight, though.
 
I have played the following at both ATS and ML between 1-1 ratio and 3.80 ratio
E C U +355
Tulane +210
Central mich +260
Both Arizonas +120
Utah +160

Buona Fortuna
 
Friday Night. We may have 2 winners already mentioned in the thread.
MTSU & Utah St

Week is starting off well.
 
See a few people on ECU, I may be liking that one as well.

The D improvement by ECU this year is pretty impressive. They have a new DC and it has made a difference. Last year they were 129th in total D, this year they are 17th (ypp 32nd! The competition hasn't been great although they did hold USF under 300y. Held ODU under 300y as well and got 6 sacks vs USF and 9 vs ODU!

Temple's O is kind of streaky. If they have one of their average type games (like vs Nova, Buff, Tulsa) then ECU D stands a chance. If Temple O from the BC or Maryland game shows up that will be a challenge for Pirates.

Turnovers are going to be critical as will nonoffensive scores. Temple has scored a D/ST TD in every game this year and their D creates and capitalizes off turnovers. ECU has been a little lose with the ball at times so this area will likely determine the outcome. The reason they lost to NCA&T was because of turnovers.

I think this improved ECU team can limit the turnovers, they will have a shot.
 
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Can oddsmakers please let that Cuse line go back up. People keep betting them based on # of wagers and tick % so move the line up!! Gimme at least 5!
 
I am going to give Cincinnati credit, they are growing as a team. They opened up and found their O in the 2nd H vs Ohio and surely last week will further give them confidence. Facing UC now is a little harder than it was figured to be a few weeks ago since they aren't just trying not to lose the game on O and relying on their RB to win them games now like they were the first few weeks, now they have the comfort to let the O go win them games. And the same goes for their D, especially their DTs, their interior DTs will wreak havoc on alot of teams (not great for Tulane's OL).

Cincinnati's D ranks 1st in most AAC D categories and top 2-3 in just about all of them. If we look inside some of their D numbers they've been grossly inflated based off of schedule: held two teams under 200y (Mia Oh, Ala A&M) plus one team under 300y (UConn), then UCLA just a tad over 300y. Those three things are not surprising. Vs good offenses they faced they allowed 412 to Ohio at 5.72 ypp. A team with a competent O can and should move the ball and score on Cincy.

And since their O has kind of exploded, they have done so vs horrible Ds...Ala A&M, Ohio and UConn have all allowed everyone a ton of yards and a ton of points.

Tulane's D can be respectable, definitely will offer more resistance than Ohio and UConn. Even if Tulane's D effort vs Memphis is an anomaly of sorts, it shows that they do have some potential to play at a high level. Tulane's O has shown the ability to make big plays through the air and can be explosive on the ground as well. Wave has played a fairly tough schedule vs WF, OSU, Memphis and even UAB, playing UAB at home can be difficult just because their O operates at a high efficient rate. So Tulane has played alot of teams just as good as or better than Cincy. Not any real step up here for them, Tulane should matchup pretty good and be accustomed to the challenge.

My concern would be Banks. He can go either way, good Banks, bad Banks. Too many times we see him run backwards because of failed pass protection leading to huge lost yardage. Tulane has allowed 19 sacks! Some of that is on poor OL play and some is on Banks for not making quick decisions or throwing the ball away or pulling the ball and running (forward not backwards). I think when Banks has time and is playing his A game he is a good QB, but we don't get that all the time.

I saw Ohio QB Rourke make alot of plays with his arm and legs vs Cincy D and would think that Banks and the skill players Tulane has around him can do something similar.

Good Banks shows up today and Tulane can definitely win.
 
See a few people on ECU, I may be liking that one as well.

The D improvement by ECU this year is pretty impressive. They have a new DC and it has made a difference. Last year they were 129th in total D, this year they are 17th (ypp 32nd! The competition hasn't been great although they did hold USF under 300y. Held ODU under 300y as well and got 6 sacks vs USF and 9 vs ODU!

Temple's O is kind of streaky. If they have one of their average type games (like vs Nova, Buff, Tulsa) then ECU D stands a chance. If Temple O from the BC or Maryland game shows up that will be a challenge for Pirates.

Turnovers are going to be critical as will nonoffensive scores. Temple has scored a D/ST TD in every game this year and their D creates and capitalizes off turnovers. ECU has been a little lose with the ball at times so this area will likely determine the outcome. The reason they lost to NCA&T was because of turnovers.

I think this improved ECU team can limit the turnovers, they will have a shot.
Bad situation for ECU facing a team at home off a road loss. I think Temple will be hungry for a win. Kudos to you guys if it hits but I gotta pass.
 
Bad situation for ECU facing a team at home off a road loss. I think Temple will be hungry for a win. Kudos to you guys if it hits but I gotta pass.

This is true. Temple may be a little beat up after playing BC though as well. Temple has actually played better on O away from home for some reason. Likely nothing to it. Temple won't be looking past or taking ECU lightly I do not believe. Just looking towards an average-ish Temple team vs an improved ECU team. Will be a challenge for ECU I agree.
 
Speaking of BC...trying to look into that game, does anyone know what the fuck is going on with BC on D this year? Their D flat out sucks, what gives? BC without Dillon doesn't really scare me away, think BC is actually better when they open up the O rather than running on 1st and 2nd down 65% of the time. But that D?.. ..man they gonna need some D today facing Finley.
 
And my lotto ticket for this weekend is.......3, 4, 5, 6, & 7-teamer RRs:

Was waiting patiently for this one and it finally was just offered....Added 1st half IU @ OSU. Last year, if y'all recall, OSU got ripped by Iowa after the Penn State game. I think predicting an IU win in Columbus is a bit much to ask so settling for a shot at the 1st half ML.

Here's my card:

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May the gambling Gods be with us today and BOLTA

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Taking ULM soley on potential because performance has been lacking this year.

ULM was held to under 300y last week at Georgia State. Not encouraging. ULM was outscored 7-35 in the first half at home vs Troy. Not encouraging. ULM never threatened to score in the 2nd H at Texas A&M. Not encouraging.

QB Caleb Evans has played in 24 career games (238passing ypg, 60%, 6.3ypa, 264y rushing). 5th year Sr Marcus Green is their leading WR (19rec-332, 4 receptions of 30+y). RB Derrick Gore transferred in from Alabama last year. He led ULM in rushing 2017, this year has 205y 4.3ypc. 4 of 5 OL starters are upperclassmen (73 career starts entering 2018).

8 of 11 starters on D are upperclassman. 78% tackles returning entering 2018. 4 defensive players have made PFF D team of week this year. DE's Louis and Miller are tied 2nd Sun Belt with 3 sacks each.

This was one of the more experienced teams in the country this year with a potentially explosive offense. By all indications this was supposed to be a breakthrough year for ULM. They have not lived up to the hype. That doesn't mean the pieces don't exist, they are not putting the pieces together.

Ole Miss is going to have a lot of talent advantages in this game, atleast on offense and matching up with them is going to be an enormous challenge for ULM D. Thinking about some of the games Ole Miss has played vs group-of-5 teams this year, they did trail SILL at halftime. And they were tied at halftime vs Kent St. ULM should be better suited than both those teams.

No telling where Ole Miss' head is. They looked like shit last week at LSU. They are undisciplined and tackle poorly.

I may be overly influenced by what I saw last week out of the Rebels, they were bad. Then I look back at other games I didn't see, like vs SILL and Kent State, apparently they were bad there too.

Wish ULM was playing better. If so it would be no brainer. As it is, I'm still going to give it a shot 1) because I believe in the potential that ULM can play with 2) I don't believe in much that Ole Miss has or does 3) the payout for this potential upset is pretty big and I think the odds of it happening are better than 10:1

One thing to watch is if ULM can get pressure on Ta'amu. That is a realistic area that ULM stands a chance to slow down or rattle OM O. Ta'amu doesn't appear to like getting pressure and ULM has shown some ability to get after QBs.

Coaching familiarity...ULM DC and Ole Miss OC were both at Sam Houston State in the same roles.

Go Hawks Go!
 
Speaking of BC...trying to look into that game, does anyone know what the fuck is going on with BC on D this year? Their D flat out sucks, what gives? BC without Dillon doesn't really scare me away, think BC is actually better when they open up the O rather than running on 1st and 2nd down 65% of the time. But that D?.. ..man they gonna need some D today facing Finley.
They are really really close statistically and D8 is on them so I bit.
 
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