Week 5 Discussion Thread

[VirginiaCavs]

Sep 29 Thu 2022

07:00 PM
103	Utah State	+24 -115		O 60½ -110
104	BYU+1 Markets	-24 -105		U 60½ -110

Sep 30 Fri 2022

06:00 PM
105	Tulane	+2½ -110		O 55½ -110
106	Houston+1 Markets	-2½ -110		U 55½ -110

06:30 PM
107	UTSA	-5½ -115		O 63 -110
108	Middle Tennessee State+1 Markets	+5½ -105		U 63 -110

07:00 PM
109	San Diego State	+5½ +100		O 41 -110
110	Boise State+1 Markets	-5½ -120		U 41 -110

09:30 PM
111	Washington	-2½ -125		O 65½ -110
112	UCLA+1 Markets	+2½ +105		U 65½ -110

10:00 PM
113	New Mexico	+16 -107		O 45 -110
114	UNLV+1 Markets	-16 -113		U 45 -110

Oct 1 Sat 2022

11:00 AM
115	Illinois	+9 -110		O 44 -110
116	Wisconsin+1 Markets	-9 -110		U 44 -110

11:00 AM
119	Louisville	-15½ -115		O 51 -110
120	Boston College+1 Markets	+15½ -105		U 51 -110

11:00 AM
123	Wake Forest	+6 -110		O 66 -110
124	Florida State	-6 -110		U 66 -110

11:00 AM
125	Georgia State	+9 -110		O 58 -110
126	Army+1 Markets	-9 -110		U 58 -110

11:00 AM
127	NC State	+7 -110		O 46 -110
128	Clemson	-7 -110		U 46 -110

11:00 AM
129	Georgia Tech	+20 -102		O 50½ -110
130	Pittsburgh	-20 -118		U 50½ -110

11:00 AM
135	Virginia Tech	+8½ -110		O 57 -110
136	North Carolina	-8½ -110		U 57 -110

11:00 AM
145	Purdue	+10 -110		O 53 -110
146	Minnesota	-10 -110		U 53 -110

11:00 AM
149	Navy	+15½ -105		O 39 -110
150	Air Force	-15½ -115		U 39 -110

11:00 AM
151	Oklahoma State	+2½ -110		O 55 -110
152	Baylor	-2½ -110		U 55 -110

11:00 AM
157	Temple	+20½ -115		O 53 -110
158	Memphis	-20½ -105		U 53 -110

11:00 AM
175	Kentucky	+6 -110		O 55½ -110
176	Mississippi	-6 -110		U 55½ -110

11:00 AM
177	Texas Tech	+7 +102		O 57½ -110
178	Kansas State	-7 -122		U 57½ -110

11:00 AM
185	Michigan	-10 -110		O 43 -110
186	Iowa	+10 -110		U 43 -110

12:30 PM
147	Texas State	+20 -110		O 54 -110
148	James Madison	-20 -110		U 54 -110

01:00 PM
143	Northern Illinois	-3½ -105		O 60 -110
144	Ball State	+3½ -115		U 60 -110

01:00 PM
161	Massachusetts	+19½ -105		O 57 -110
162	Eastern Michigan	-19½ -115		U 57 -110

01:00 PM
163	Oregon State	+11 -115		O 56 -110
164	Utah	-11 -105		U 56 -110

02:30 PM
117	Northwestern	+25 -110		O 52 -110
118	Penn State+1 Markets	-25 -110		U 52 -110

02:30 PM
131	Michigan State	+7½ -118		O 60 -110
132	Maryland+1 Markets	-7½ -102		U 60 -110

02:30 PM
141	SMU	+3½ -107		O 64 -110
142	Central Florida	-3½ -113		U 64 -110

02:30 PM
153	Iowa State	-3 -120		O 58½ -110
154	Kansas	+3 +100		U 58½ -110

02:30 PM
179	Rutgers	+40½ -110		O 60 -110
180	Ohio State	-40½ -110		U 60 -110

02:30 PM
183	Oklahoma	-4½ -120		O 67½ -110
184	TCU	+4½ +100		U 67½ -110

02:30 PM
187	West Virginia	+10 -115		O 61 -110
188	Texas	-10 -105		U 61 -110

02:30 PM
191	Alabama	-15 -115		O 62½ -110
192	Arkansas	+15 -105		U 62½ -110

02:30 PM
195	Central Michigan	+6½ -110		O 57½ -110
196	Toledo	-6½ -110		U 57½ -110

02:30 PM
197	Miami Ohio	pk -115		O 53½ -110
198	Buffalo	pk -105		U 53½ -110

02:30 PM
199	Fresno State	-24 -110		O 56½ -110
200	Connecticut	+24 -110		U 56½ -110

02:30 PM
201	Bowling Green	-6½ -118		O 53½ -110
202	Akron	+6½ -102		U 53½ -110

02:30 PM
203	Ohio	+6½ -104		O 69 -110
204	Kent State	-6½ -116		U 69 -110

03:00 PM
121	Georgia Southern	+10 -116		O 68½ -110
122	Coastal Carolina+1 Markets	-10 -104		U 68½ -110

03:00 PM
181	Texas A&M	+2½ +100		O 45 -110
182	Mississippi State	-2½ -120		U 45 -110

03:00 PM
207	Florida Atlantic	-3 +100		O 67 -110
208	North Texas	+3 -120		U 67 -110

04:00 PM
155	South Alabama	-5½ -110		O 50 -110
156	UL Lafayette	+5½ -110		U 50 -110

04:30 PM
167	California	+4½ -110		O 52½ -110
168	Washington State	-4½ -110		U 52½ -110

05:00 PM
137	Liberty	-2 -110		O 47 -110
138	Old Dominion+1 Markets	+2 -110		U 47 -110

05:00 PM
209	UTEP	-3½ +100		O 58 -110
210	Charlotte	+3½ -120		U 58 -110

06:00 PM
139	East Carolina	-8½ -115		O 59½ -110
140	South Florida+1 Markets	+8½ -105		U 59½ -110

06:00 PM
159	Cincinnati	-12 -110		O 61 -110
160	Tulsa	+12 -110		U 61 -110

06:00 PM
189	LSU	-7½ -115		O 45½ -107
190	Auburn	+7½ -105		U 45½ -113

06:00 PM
205	UL Monroe	+7½ -110		O 59½ -110
206	Arkansas State	-7½ -110		U 59½ -110

06:00 PM
213	Troy	+5½ -108		O 57½ -110
214	Western Kentucky	-5½ -112		U 57½ -110

06:30 PM
133	Virginia	+1½ -105		O 57 -110
134	Duke+1 Markets	-1½ -115		U 57 -110

06:30 PM
193	Georgia	-28 -112		O 56 -110
194	Missouri	+28 -108		U 56 -110

06:30 PM
211	Indiana	+3½ -111		O 61½ -110
212	Nebraska	-3½ -109		U 61½ -110

06:30 PM
215	UAB	-10 -115		O 53 -110
216	Rice	+10 -105		U 53 -110

06:30 PM
217	San Jose State	+1½ -115		O 44 -110
218	Wyoming	-1½ -105		U 44 -110

07:00 PM
165	Florida International	+14½ -105		O 56½ -110
166	New Mexico State	-14½ -115		U 56½ -110

08:30 PM
169	Colorado	+18 -118		O 55½ -110
170	Arizona	-18 -102		U 55½ -110

09:30 PM
171	Arizona State	+23½ -110		O 61 -110
172	USC	-23½ -110		U 61 -110

10:00 PM
173	Stanford	+15½ -105		O 62½ -110
174	Oregon	-15½ -115		U 62½ -110

 

[CPA-hole]

Probably don't want to be Mizzou this week. Losing like they did. Now you get a pissed off Georgia team after giving up 22 to Kent St. Kirby is gonna kick their ass in practice this week.

Mtsu at home vs UTSA off that win vs Miami. These go5 teams have generally stb the following week off historic wins.

I'll keep riding UNLV. Lobos off an impressive 2 first down, 77 total yard effort in the Bayou. Worst offense in the country.

JFC Hawaii, Nevada, CSU, Utah St, and UNM in one league. Just merge with the Big Sky.

TX Tech at KSU both off huge wins. Wanted to fade both but sadly they play each other.

 

[CPA-hole]

Collins probably getting fired at GT tomorrow. I sid this last week too. But there is a meeting with the higher ups tomorrow and the usual Sunday players meetings were cancelled today. That never happens.

 

[He Hate Me]

Circa opening lines:

 

[He Hate Me]

Interested in:

Washington
LSU
Arkansas
Kent St
Maryland

Was interested in, but do not like based on these opening lines:

Tulane
UTSA
NCSU

Wasn't considering but the open line looks tempting:

Louisville

 

[CPA-hole]

Army -6.

 

[Yanks27Sox9]

That UW/UCLA game has some funny history. I'm a Bruin fan, and my gut is to pound UW at -2.5 if that's how it comes out (like the opener). However, my mind is cautioning me against rushing into that.

Wazzou is in the middle of a Oregon/USC sandwich. Good spot for Cal, which would create better value on Wash St the next week.

Stanford looked gawd awful yesterday. Ducks should be a cake walk, but history shows that is rarely the case.

 

[Two Utes]

That UW/UCLA game has some funny history. I'm a Bruin fan, and my gut is to pound UW at -2.5 if that's how it comes out (like the opener). However, my mind is cautioning me against rushing into that.

Wazzou is in the middle of a Oregon/USC sandwich. Good spot for Cal, which would create better value on Wash St the next week.

Stanford looked gawd awful yesterday. Ducks should be a cake walk, but history shows that is rarely the case.

The pac12 cannibalize's itself every year

 

[Yanks27Sox9]

sure does, and this year will be no different.

 

[He Hate Me]

Collins probably getting fired at GT tomorrow. I sid this last week too. But there is a meeting with the higher ups tomorrow and the usual Sunday players meetings were cancelled today. That never happens.

This appears to be actually happening today.

 

[CPA-hole]

This appears to be actually happening today.

Yeah it's a done deal. They should've done it last week. They at least tried a bit Saturday vs ucf.

 

[Dollaz]

Got burned with JMU but going to fade them again. Giving 23 seems silly to me. I knew they were in a good spot last week, but they will still be a fade for me.

UTSA
Army 058.5
ODU+1.5
UTEP -2.5

 

[B.A.R.]

Circa opening lines:

View attachment 68739

Thanks for this.

 

[Teapot9]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1574425562935853059

 

[s--k]

Does anybody have any kind of handle on North Carolina State? I for one do not. Saw them almost lose to ECU week 1 and haven't seen one second of any other game since. My assumption is that they were some kind over hyped team that hasn't played to anyone's expectations.

 

[s--k]

UNC -8.5

Of course they should be favored, and this is the weakest O they have played...but after seeing that defense against a previously struggling Notre Dame O - I mean if I didn't know better I would've thought UNC was playing with like 8 or 9 guys on D instead of 11!

It's not like VT was a good offensive team last year, they weren't, they were awful and won 17-10 as a 5.5 home dog. No shock at all if VT wins this.

 

[carolinablue]

UNC -8.5

Of course they should be favored, and this is the weakest O they have played...but after seeing that defense against a previously struggling Notre Dame O - I mean if I didn't know better I would've thought UNC was playing with like 8 or 9 guys on D instead of 11!

It's not like VT was a good offensive team last year, they weren't, they were awful and won 17-10 as a 5.5 home dog. No shock at all if VT wins this.

The way our defense plays, I wouldn't be shocked at any losses the rest of the way...unfortunately.

 

[s--k]

I'm looking at these for the first time.

That JMU line is huge! I guess we'll find out if they know how to handle a big road win and coming back home as a huge favorite.

 

[s--k]

Oregon State at Utah has makings of a very good game. I worry about a post-USC hangover for Beavers though. Think Utah's outstanding TE Kuithe is out maybe the year? Leading receiver in 2019 and 2021, #2 receiver in 2020. It's not like Utah has an abundance good receiving targets. Big loss.

 

[s--k]

Venebles is going to whip that D into shape this week.

 

[s--k]

Texas -10 vs West Virginia...why?

Texas lost the Texas Tech game the exact same way they lost games last year. West Virginia can win this for sure.

 

[s--k]

Toledo continue to be one of the most overrated teams annually in the country and always the MAC's most overrated. Appears like Central woke up a little bit last week. Although I'm pretty sure I saw QB Richardson get knocked out late 4th Q in that one. Will have to see if he is injured or what.

 

[KJ]

Big time weather watch this week. It's that time of year.

 

[s--k]

Last year Akron walked into Doyt Perry as a 14 pt dog and upset BGSU....hm...have to think that Liberty was more hungover from near miss vs Wake the previous week than Akron really improved to the point that they'd be competitive with them. I'd think Bowling Green wins, but this could be a weird game. Should've saved this for a Tuesday night in November!

 

[s--k]

Hey! ULL is finally dogged! About time!

 

[s--k]

Cal - Wazzou; I like that game!

 

[He Hate Me]

Interested in:

Washington
LSU
Arkansas
Kent St
Maryland

Was interested in, but do not like based on these opening lines:

Tulane
UTSA
NCSU

Wasn't considering but the open line looks tempting:

Louisville

I missed Washington under 3 at open, so I will wait and hope.
Bet LSU -7 at open
Waiting on Arkansas to continue to rise. I may only bet Ark 1st half.
Bet Kent St -6.5 at open
Waiting on Maryland and their QB, but line is already way higher

Tulane opened at 3 for me, so unless something crazy happens with the line, no play.
Just played UTSA as they have dropped to -4
Played NCSU at open +7

Louisville opened for me way higher than the Circa open so no play.

 

[s--k]

ECU-8.5 at USF...I don't put ECU past finding a way(s) to lose any game. USF goes to almost beating Florida to having their doors blown off for the second time this year. ECU could be 4-0, but they're 2-2 instead. I don't know, this feels like a weird one that USF wins.

 

[survive&advance]

Hey! ULL is finally dogged! About time!

Talk to me about ULL. I’m all about south Alabama this season

 

[s--k]

Tulsa +12 home vs Cincy. Tulsa is a team that is just almost always in close games. Only lost to Cincy 20-28 last year and 24-27 in 2021. Suppose there is some question about Tulsa QB injured?

 

[s--k]

Talk to me about ULL. I’m all about south Alabama this season

Cliff notes being they are pretty much a mess. Didn't look good vs a SE La team that really struggled to start the season. Was really bad for 2+ quarters vs EMich then turned in superman performance in the final 1.5 quarters. The last two games they have looked really poor. Rice outgained them 449-175 (turnovers kept it closer than it should've been). ULM just outgained them 419-354. ULL did help Monroe with several bad snaps. Lots of streaks are snapping right now for ULL.

 

[survive&advance]

Tulsa +12 home vs Cincy. Tulsa is a team that is just almost always in close games. Only lost to Cincy 20-28 last year and 24-27 in 2021. Suppose there is some question about Tulsa QB injured?

Brin left with an ankle injury. They could’ve won had he not gotten hurt. Backup was OK. But I do love this Tulsa offense, will def play them if Brin is in

 

[Two Utes]

Oregon State at Utah has makings of a very good game. I worry about a post-USC hangover for Beavers though. Think Utah's outstanding TE Kuithe is out maybe the year? Leading receiver in 2019 and 2021, #2 receiver in 2020. It's not like Utah has an abundance good receiving targets. Big loss.

Confirmed today, done for the year. Dalton Kincaid has been having a very productive season though and Thomas Yassmin had a big reception after Kuithe went out.

Yes, a big loss but not one that I don't think Utah can overtime. The DL/LB's looked so bad in that Florida game. They've looked more like a Utah defense with each game.

To me this game comes down to Utah stopping the beaver running game. If they do it should be an easy win. If they let them run, not only could the Beavers cover but they could win. 11 is a pretty big number IMHO.

 

[He Hate Me]

@CircaSports
College Football - Biggest Line Moves

PITT -18 to -23
LOUISVILLE -11 to -15.5
PENN ST -22 to -26
JMU -18 to -22
S ALABAMA -5 to -9
KENT ST -6 to -10
TULSA +13 to +9.5
FLORIDA ST -4 to -7
MARYLAND -4 to -7
OLE MISS -4 to -7
NEB -2 to -5
UTEP PK to -3
SJSU +2 to -1
MTSU +7 to +4

 

[s--k]

San Jose favored at Wyoming now? huh They did play competitive at Auburn for what that is worth. I suppose people are very much impressed how badly they beat Western Michigan who was playing their #2 QB? Western attempted 15 passes between their #2 and #3 QBs and really looked lost all night. San Jose could win at Wyoming, but I don't necessarily see what there is to like about them that much more than Wyoming

 

[Smokeshow99]

Talk to me about ULL. I’m all about south Alabama this season

I'm glad someone brought this up. Smart people have the spread at SA -2.5, with last week's rating.
SA beat LT 38-14 as an opened -17 pt fav.
ULL lost as an opened -13 pt fav to ULM.
Move it two pts as ULL lost as a decent fav. Gives SA -4.5 on power rating. Opened -7 up to SA -9.

edit:saw he hate me had circa openers, they had SA -5. I pulled sunday night and have one -6.5 and two -7.

 

[number2]

Last year Akron walked into Doyt Perry as a 14 pt dog and upset BGSU....hm...have to think that Liberty was more hungover from near miss vs Wake the previous week than Akron really improved to the point that they'd be competitive with them. I'd think Bowling Green wins, but this could be a weird game. Should've saved this for a Tuesday night in November!

Maybe over the better play on this?

 

[TahoeLegend]

Venebles is going to whip that D into shape this week.

Not sure he can do it. That game against K State was not the normal K State/OU game we have seen over the years. OU never gets up for K State, but this year they made this game a target during the entire off-season. Everyone knows the Venables connection to K State and how badly he wanted to win so OU scheduled this week as the unveiling of the statue of the Selmon brothers and had Switzer and Bob Stoops address the team, had the remaining Selmon brothers give a pep talk. Pulled out all the stops

And yet K State outsmarted them, out coached them, and physically beat them down. OU defense was no mas by the end. Strange to see because OU would not even have allowed any of the K-State players to walk on at OU. In fact when Deuce Vaughn's high school coach tried to get OU to take a look at Vaughn they told him, "he's too little and too slow. We have walk ons better than he is."

There has been endless talk--and I mean endless, no OU coach has ever talked as much as Venables--about how now that Riley is gone and they brought back Schmidt as strength coach they will be tough and powerful and BV and his staff will show the conference what real D is. Instead, they were run over and run through all night and were worn down by the fourth quarter.

I believed all the talk about the new attitude on D (although I never believed a word about Schmidt as a strength coach) and how the staff was hyping this game and paid for it. Good way to learn a lesson

 

[carolinablue]

Hey! ULL is finally dogged! About time!

Been keeping an eye on that one as it has gone from 7 to 9.5. Hard to pass up at 10 or better.

 

[s--k]

Not sure he can do it.

Comes down to how do they respond? Coaches and players. How did Kansas State respond to losing at home to Tulane?

I didn't see any of this game nor have I looked at any recaps or box scores yet. I have heard some Big Xll talk radio discussion this morning on the game and they played some post game press conference audio. This year I have been placing bets on and against FCS teams I've never seen and in some cases never heard of, so I am getting a little more comfortable taking risks without familiarity, and in some ways it gives a clean look as I'm not influenced by what I saw. I guess you could say I'm ignorant of what happened and actually disregarding it, knowing less can't be better than knowing more? I like the situation here for OU. Now, you could be right, maybe he can't do it - maybe the pieces aren't there or they can't do what he wants them to do. In that case, they could struggle again at TCU. I'd be willing to take a chance on a low favorite spot that they can rebound. I saw the line in this thread was 4.5. Now it is 6.5, was even 7 briefly, I bet very few favorites so the higher it gets the less likely I am to lay points, but I would rather have OU to win and cover a relatively short number.

 

[s--k]

That UW/UCLA game has some funny history. I'm a Bruin fan, and my gut is to pound UW at -2.5 if that's how it comes out (like the opener). However, my mind is cautioning me against rushing into that.

Wazzou is in the middle of a Oregon/USC sandwich. Good spot for Cal, which would create better value on Wash St the next week.

Stanford looked gawd awful yesterday. Ducks should be a cake walk, but history shows that is rarely the case.

Yes Stanford is proving again they are not to be trusted. They do just enough to tempt people like me and then they come out and do a bunch of stuff wrong and get their ass kicked on the score board.

I don't think Washington State going to play USC is that big of a deal for them. Rather I feel it would be more important for them to focus on leaving their 3 game home stand with a win and getting that awful loss behind them. It's a big game for Washington State actually because they had built up some belief and trust and excitement for the fans and within the program and if they lose back-to-back games that is all gone. California actually could be in somewhat of a let down spot off the big trip to South Bend and close loss and the revenge covid game vs Arizona - that was definitely the best that Cal has played on offense all year...and Arizona D isn't exactly good, so that helps. 599 yards by Cal O - wow. But they gave up 536. I'd expect Washington State to play pretty well Saturday.

 

[carolinablue]

Kind of a random stat but interesting…

The Miners are 0-25-1 all-time in the Eastern time zone (they tied West Virginia in 1949).

 

[TahoeLegend]

It was interesting to watch Texas/Texas Tech unfold. Tech is coached by a guy who was one of the best high school coaches in Texas for years and Tech spent the game trying to win. Went for it on fourth down eight times. I can't recall a team going for it that many times in one game. They converted a fourth down on every scoring drive and were six of eight for the game

Texas played like Sark was trying not to lose and looked like Oklahoma on pivotal fourth downs. On one they jumped off sides--a major part of the Oklahoma game plan--and on another lined up wrong so had to call time out. When they went back out the game clock expired.

Tech plays hard and is obviously well coached. The same backup QB who looked like a turnover waiting to happen against NC State looked like a future first round choice against Texas--38 of 56, 331 yards, two TDs no picks. Tech receivers were open all over the field on every play. Hard to believe it's the same Texas D that played against Alabama.

This wasn't a case of Texas coming out flat. They scored first and had double digit leads three different times, including 31-17 in the third quarter, but they wilted under the constant Tech attacking pressure.

Tech is a good team, well coached, very aggressive, lots of speed. I was on them one week too early against NC State, but that game may be more proof how good NC State is than a black mark against Tech. The Red Raiders are young, new coaches, new system, and are only going to get better.

 

[TahoeLegend]

I forgot to add that the Tech coach had no qualms after the game telling the press, "I told the guys if we kept up the pressure they would crack and by the third quarter the guys could see I was right."

They asked him what does it mean to beat Texas and he said, "It doesn't mean anything to beat Texas. We're 1-0 in the conference, that's what means something. I've been telling you all and the country is going to find out Everything in this conference runs through Lubbock! Everything runs through Lubbock!"

You could see the team has picked up his attitude.

 

[TahoeLegend]

Yes Stanford is proving again they are not to be trusted. They do just enough to tempt people like me and then they come out and do a bunch of stuff wrong and get their ass kicked on the score board.

I don't think Washington State going to play USC is that big of a deal for them. Rather I feel it would be more important for them to focus on leaving their 3 game home stand with a win and getting that awful loss behind them. It's a big game for Washington State actually because they had built up some belief and trust and excitement for the fans and within the program and if they lose back-to-back games that is all gone. California actually could be in somewhat of a let down spot off the big trip to South Bend and close loss and the revenge covid game vs Arizona - that was definitely the best that Cal has played on offense all year...and Arizona D isn't exactly good, so that helps. 599 yards by Cal O - wow. But they gave up 536. I'd expect Washington State to play pretty well Saturday.

Right on the money about Stanford except the rest of the lesson is, as soon as you give up on Stanford and bet against them they play their best game of the year and kick ass on some undefeated team

 

[Yanks27Sox9]

Does anybody have any kind of handle on North Carolina State? I for one do not. Saw them almost lose to ECU week 1 and haven't seen one second of any other game since. My assumption is that they were some kind over hyped team that hasn't played to anyone's expectations.

i've watched them twice. like you, i saw the ECU game...but I also watched 60-70% of the Texas Tech game. They played much better defensively, but I don't like their QB at all.

i'm still not exactly sure what to make of this week's game though. both teams have been looking ahead to this, and clemson almost got caught by wake. tigers have a cupcake next, where the pack have a tough FSU team.

both defense are very solid, despite what we saw last saturday. (i was on wake, but i'm at a loss to explain what i watched.) both offenses have issues/are inconsistent. neither team should be able to run the ball much, so it'll some down to the QBs. i like neither, but TT did a pretty good job limiting Leary. the INTs were really the difference there, and the ncst defense.

i see some line value with clemson, tbh. had it not been for what I just watched, i might be on them already. my heart wants to pull for NCST, but if I can get this game at -6 i might have to take clemson. the ncst offense just hasn't shown me anything yet. saw potential with wake. just don't with ncst, despite my admiration for them on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[KJ]

i see some line value with clemson, tbh. had it not been for what I just watched, i might be on them already. my heart wants to pull for NCST, but if I can get this game at -6 i might have to take clemson. the ncst offense just hasn't shown me anything yet. saw potential with wake. just don't with ncst, despite my admiration for them on the defensive side of the ball.

Think NCSt tt under would be the best play then. No chance I would feel comfy needing a TD up to win a game between these two. Both offenses are awful.

 

[He Hate Me]

What is the reason to play Alabama 1st half, 1st quarter, etc this week? I know this won a lot last year and has won this year when Alabama played at home against horrible teams, but they play a decent team on the road this week.

 

[carolinablue]

What is the reason to play Alabama 1st half, 1st quarter, etc this week? I know this won a lot last year and has won this year when Alabama played at home against horrible teams, but they play a decent team on the road this week.

Pretty sure those plays went 6-2 through the first four road games last year against a lineup of Miami, Florida, Miss St and A&M so not a bunch of patsies. I know last year doesn’t equate to this year, but it shows that it wasn’t just a home anomaly.

Someone with a much better memory than me can probably quote the actual numbers I’m sure

 

[He Hate Me]

Pretty sure those plays went 6-2 through the first four road games last year against a lineup of Miami, Florida, Miss St and A&M so not a bunch of patsies. I know last year doesn’t equate to this year, but it shows that it wasn’t just a home anomaly.

Someone with a much better memory than me can probably quote the actual numbers I’m sure

It looks like Alabama had only 4 true road games last year and they lost to A&M and beat Auburn in OT. They were losing both of those games at the half. So maybe they went 2-2 in 1st half road games last year. Miami and GA were neutral sites.