Sherrone Fired

[KJ]

I think it can be done if you get the right people in place and you make enough of a commitment. Alabama will never spend like Kentucky on basketball, but we've been the better program over the last 5 seasons. Ours is probably coach dependent, so when Nate leaves, it will be tough to maintain

I can micro it to ISU hoops which will always be bigger than football yet we've never made a final 4. Reality is it's Ames, Iowa. Hoiberg could have coached there til he died but wanted to try NBA so we get the next best thing. TJ lives for ISU baskets. Pretty cool he was at SDSU when Rogers was there, who also wanted to be an ISU head coach. That's pretty much what it takes and having an AD recognize that is special.

So many schools are fine with being stepping stones for one or two good years but that doesn't play well with fan bases like ours. We want sustainability. But end of the day we don't have the money to excel at both without a Matt Campbell type. He was paid $5 milly/year. Buyout was $2 million. Fortunately we've gotten people who love where they're at and enjoy making a lot of money while doing it which is why TJ's pitch to Pollard for Rogers held so much weight.

 

[gps_3]

I can micro it to ISU hoops which will always be bigger than football yet we've never made a final 4. Reality is it's Ames, Iowa. Hoiberg could have coached there til he died but wanted to try NBA so we get the next best thing. TJ lives for ISU baskets. Pretty cool he was at SDSU when Rogers was there, who also wanted to be an ISU head coach. That's pretty much what it takes and having an AD recognize that is special.

So many schools are fine with being stepping stones for one or two good years but that doesn't play well with fan bases like ours. We want sustainability. But end of the day we don't have the money to excel at both without a Matt Campbell type. He was paid $5 milly/year. Buyout was $2 million. Fortunately we've gotten people who love where they're at and enjoy making a lot of money while doing it which is why TJ's pitch to Pollard for Rogers held so much weight.

I think what Alabama can do is pay top dollar for a coach. We can't match the blue bloods in everything else, and the lion's share of revenue sharing will always go to football, but we can at least pay top dollar for a coach. I think Oats is staying until the NBA comes calling, so I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts

 

[KJ]

I think what Alabama can do is pay top dollar for a coach. We can't match the blue bloods in everything else, and the lion's share of revenue sharing will always go to football, but we can at least pay top dollar for a coach. I think Oats is staying until the NBA comes calling, so I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts

It's funny, we can go back through life, even just with our own teams, to see how times have changed. I grew up going to ISU football game when 3 wins was a hell of a season and Johnny Orr was the basketball coach. He left....Michigan! To come coach ISU for years. Great history.

Jack Trice I never fully appreciated til going to Memphis for a bowl game and the shrine at the Lorraine for him was tremendous. Then a bunch of life story started filling in. Jack Trice played in less than half of one game yet the ISU field is named after him. Crazy stuff.

 

[bones]

This whole thing is very sad really

 

[Brewers888]

This whole thing is very sad really

Sad for his family but I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. That guy should be so thankful landing a job he was unfit for and its all on him for throwing it away.

 

[twinkie13]

This whole thing is very sad really

Pussy stays undefeated.
It can ruin your life.

 

[bones]

Pussy stays undefeated.
It can ruin your life.

True for many and likely most.

I would think that Sheronne is now not only regretting his decisions but is remorseful too.
(I quit reading about it all)

 

[lvmike32]

After some details of the arrest were released I don't see him doing any time. I'd love to try a case like this. At worst I could get a plea to minor charge, put him in a diversion program, and the charges would be erased in a year. The one thing I haven't seen clarified is whether the girl was touched or put in fear in any way when he entered the house. If not, then this case is a lawyer's dream

For one thing, going into criminal court with a defendant who has a clean record and has always had a job is so rare the system gives him every benefit. And the fact he entered the house through an unlocked door instead of "breaking and entering" makes it just another case where a guy humiliated himself and ruined his life over a woman.

I'd also love to have the civil case against the University challenging whether they had the right to fire him for cause and, if they did, whether they followed the law, the procedures of the university, and the wording of the contract. I've never heard of a case where a bunch of academic bureaucrats followed proper procedure for terminating someone. I might not get the firing reversed, but as soon as I started spreading subpoenas and giving them a taste of what a deposition is like and turning investigators loose they would make a nice fat settlement offer

Everything I've read said she called her lawyer not 911 after he forced his way in. Seems really odd but tells me she didn't feel threatened too much.

 

[majent]

After some details of the arrest were released I don't see him doing any time. I'd love to try a case like this. At worst I could get a plea to minor charge, put him in a diversion program, and the charges would be erased in a year. The one thing I haven't seen clarified is whether the girl was touched or put in fear in any way when he entered the house. If not, then this case is a lawyer's dream

For one thing, going into criminal court with a defendant who has a clean record and has always had a job is so rare the system gives him every benefit. And the fact he entered the house through an unlocked door instead of "breaking and entering" makes it just another case where a guy humiliated himself and ruined his life over a woman.

I'd also love to have the civil case against the University challenging whether they had the right to fire him for cause and, if they did, whether they followed the law, the procedures of the university, and the wording of the contract. I've never heard of a case where a bunch of academic bureaucrats followed proper procedure for terminating someone. I might not get the firing reversed, but as soon as I started spreading subpoenas and giving them a taste of what a deposition is like and turning investigators loose they would make a nice fat settlement offer

It is always great to hear from an Attorney.

This is tremendous stuff here, TL

 

[KJ]

Pussy stays undefeated.
It can ruin your life.

It's amazing and expensive

Yet crack is illegal

 

[WolverineWise]

As a Wolverine fan I won’t run and hide- this is all very disturbing. Makes me sick to my stomach we’re here as a program. We’ll get it straightened out but have to rid ourselves of AD first. I understand integrity has left the game of college football completely but we should at least act as if we have some. What an absolute disgrace these last few years have been.

 

[KJ]

As a Wolverine fan I won’t run and hide- this is all very disturbing. Makes me sick to my stomach we’re here as a program. We’ll get it straightened out but have to rid ourselves of AD first. I understand integrity has left the game of college football completely but we should at least act as if we have some. What an absolute disgrace these last few years have been.

You are a basketball school. Enjoy the ride mate!

 

[TahoeLegend]

It is always great to hear from an Attorney.

This is tremendous stuff here, TL

Moore is one of our fellow alums. I don't remember him as a player but he was an OL for Bob Stoops

 

[TahoeLegend]

Here's a list of Michigan scandals. Those scandals are the reason why I think he can force a settlement instead of being fired for cause. For instance, when the president was forced out did he get a settlement? My guess is no. Did Moore get the same due process as that president? Were others who were terminated as a result of the scandals fired for cause. Were they all treated like Moore was? My guess is the answer is no to those last three questions

Source: Michigan begins query into athletic department

The University of Michigan has commissioned an investigation into its athletic department, centering on how numerous scandals have both occurred and been handled in recent years, a source told ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[majent]

I am reading that 32 attorneys who graduated from UM are currently employed by the Chicago law firm that is in charge of the self-imposed investigation of the program.

 

[lvmike32]

Here's a list of Michigan scandals. Those scandals are the reason why I think he can force a settlement instead of being fired for cause. For instance, when the president was forced out did he get a settlement? My guess is no. Did Moore get the same due process as that president? Were others who were terminated as a result of the scandals fired for cause. Were they all treated like Moore was? My guess is the answer is no to those last three questions

Source: Michigan begins query into athletic department

The University of Michigan has commissioned an investigation into its athletic department, centering on how numerous scandals have both occurred and been handled in recent years, a source told ESPN.

www.espn.com

You obviously know your stuff and I get it. But I think Michigan is going to win this one. Even though I know it's separate I think the criminal case is going to hurt his civil case firing. But I wouldn't put $1 bet on my legal prowess. Lol

 

[TahoeLegend]

Good article on Moore by Barry Tramel, columnist who's covered OU for years. You can infer a lot about his personality and what makes him tick from the way Tramel describes him.

Berry Tramel: Former Sooner Sherrone Moore squanders career with latest Michigan scandal

Sooners were proud that one of their own was coaching Michigan; then Sherrone Moore’s career was shattered with a firing and an arrest.

tulsaworld.com

 

[TahoeLegend]

You obviously know your stuff and I get it. But I think Michigan is going to win this one. Even though I know it's separate I think the criminal case is going to hurt his civil case firing. But I wouldn't put $1 bet on my legal prowess. Lol

It could. It's bad news for sure. But there are a couple of things in his favor. One, the incident happened after the firing. The university cannot claim that had anything to do with their decision. A lot of the prospective jurors who barely paid attention will think it does, so the lawyer has to deal with that, but the university suits cannot even bring it up

For another, the information revealed about the endless scandals presided over by those same official is going to make their reputation a lot worse than his when the trial starts. And the odds have to be 10,0000 to one that the same guys who were in the middle of all those scandals somehow became competent when it came to following precise legal procedure when it came to firing him for cause.

Not to mention you have the formal investigation by those same suits into whether Moore was having an affair with the same girl. After the investigation they issued a formal statement from the school that not only were they not having an affair, it was fine for both of them to stay on the public payroll. You can imagine what fun a lawyer is going to have when he puts every person who was part of formulating that decision on the stand

 

[lvmike32]

It could. It's bad news for sure. But there are a couple of things in his favor. One, the incident happened after the firing. The university cannot claim that had anything to do with their decision. A lot of the prospective jurors who barely paid attention will think it does, so the lawyer has to deal with that, but the university suits cannot even bring it up

For another, the information revealed about the endless scandals presided over by those same official is going to make their reputation a lot worse than his when the trial starts. And the odds have to be 10,0000 to one that the same guys who were in the middle of all those scandals somehow became competent when it came following precise legal procedure when it came to firing him for cause.

Not to mention you have the formal investigation by those same suits into whether Moore was having an affair with the same girl. After the investigation they issued a formal statement from the school that not only were they not having an affair, it was fine for both of them to stay on the public payroll. You can imagine what fun a lawyer is going to have when he puts every person who was part of formulating that decision on the stand

I have no doubts he could win. I think Harbough is a great coach but it's laughable he didn't know about Stallions. Michigan needs to do a housecleaning of everyone associated back to Harbaugh imo. Next coach is huge but could be tricky with cycle pretty much over. Will be interesting to say the least

 

[twinkie13]

As a Wolverine fan I won’t run and hide- this is all very disturbing. Makes me sick to my stomach we’re here as a program. We’ll get it straightened out but have to rid ourselves of AD first. I understand integrity has left the game of college football completely but we should at least act as if we have some. What an absolute disgrace these last few years have been.

My thoughts are up there but my round came by the bar and this dude looks dead ringer like Sherrone(sp) and he he says dead pan…..I got 5.5 more million than him

 

[TahoeLegend]

Michigan is cleaning house and sounds like a couple of bus loads of suits are going to be fired.

Another reason why I think Sherrone gets his for-cause firing set aside

Michigan to 'leave no stone unturned' in athletics inquiry

Michigan's investigation into its football program and athletic department could lead to findings of additional misconduct that might trigger more terminations, interim president Domenico Grasso said.

www.espn.com

 

[majent]

$87 million coach reportedly offered 'blank check' by Michigan to replace Sherrone Moore​

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/news/michigan-football-kalen-deboer-blank-check

 

[twinkie13]

Michigan is cleaning house and sounds like a couple of bus loads of suits are going to be fired.

Another reason why I think Sherrone gets his for-cause firing set aside

Michigan to 'leave no stone unturned' in athletics inquiry

Michigan's investigation into its football program and athletic department could lead to findings of additional misconduct that might trigger more terminations, interim president Domenico Grasso said.

www.espn.com

Did Midnight Mel get paid or is he still fighting it?
I’m no barrister, but I bet Michigan doesn’t have to pay it all

 

[TahoeLegend]

Did Midnight Mel get paid or is he still fighting it?
I’m no barrister, but I bet Michigan doesn’t have to pay it all

I think Mel got shut out. Zero payout. I don't think he even challenged it

You are right when you say Sherrone won't get all of it. Just a guess, but I'd say his lawyers would be ecstatic if they could get half. Athletic departments usually prefer to pay rather than have all their dark secrets exposed. After all, the money they pay is not coming out of their pockets.

 

[Brewers888]

I think Mel got shut out. Zero payout. I don't think he even challenged it

You are right when you say Sherrone won't get all of it. Just a guess, but I'd say his lawyers would be ecstatic if they could get half. Athletic department usually prefer to pay rather than have all their dark secrets exposed. After all, the money they pay is not coming out of their pockets.

I’d be shocked if Sherrone gets a penny.

 

[majent]

Not the "death penalty" it looked like it might be early on:

Fired Michigan coach Sherrone Moore pleads no contest

Former Michigan football coach Sherrone Moore agreed to a deal Friday that resulted in him pleading no contest to two new misdemeanor charges in exchange for the dropping of a previous felony count and two separate misdemeanors.

The plea agreement centers on Moore's actions Dec. 10, following his sudden firing as Michigan coach. The university dismissed Moore that day for having an inappropriate relationship with a staff member.

Moore, 40, soon drove to the staff member's apartment and was initially charged with felony home invasion and misdemeanor counts of breaking and entering and stalking in a domestic relationship. The staff member told police that the married father of three grabbed a butter knife and threatened to harm himself. Earlier that day, the staff member had told the school about the relationship.

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  Evidentiary hearing granted for ex-U-M HC Moore​

Moore soon drove to the staff member's apartment and was initially charged with felony home invasion as well as misdemeanor counts of breaking and entering and stalking in a domestic relationship. The staff member told police that the married, father of three grabbed a butter knife and threatened to harm himself.

On Friday, prosecutors agreed to drop the initial, more serious charges, in exchange for Moore to plead no contest to two new misdemeanors -- malicious use of a telecommunication device in a domestic relationship and trespassing.

"All the [initial] charges against Mr. Moore were not supported by facts of law," Moore's attorney, Ellen Michaels said after the hearing. "The dismissal of those charges validates the concerns we raised about the investigation from the very beginning.

"Mr. Moore is pleased to put this behind him and move forward."

Moore, holding the hand of his wife, Kelli, did not comment after the hearing.

Michaels' request that Moore be freed from wearing an electronic tether as part of his bond agreement was denied by Judge Cedric Simpson pending interviews with authorities.

Moore will be sentenced April 14 in Washtenaw County Court and could face up to a year in prison, although attorneys unrelated to the case have told ESPN that they do not expect Moore to serve any time.

Moore coached the Wolverines for two seasons, compiling a 16-8 record, before his dismissal. He served as the team's offensive coordinator during the Wolverines' 2023 national championship season.