NBA Finals San Antonio Spurs - Miami Heat Game 1 Discussion
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braves
Pretty much a regular
have they ever played at full strength since the big 3 has been in Miami?
I think they only played 1 time last season
divol
The Spurs can suck my manhood
Last season, they swept both Utah and Clippers and won the 1st game after that against Oklahoma, so we can assume they had some rest between the series both times (Oklahoma swept Dallas and won 4 - 1 the Lakers and Clippers played 7 games series against Memphis).
Overall, SAS are 6 - 0 ATS and SU in Game 1 the last two seasons, but all at home.
Overall, SAS are 6 - 0 ATS and SU in Game 1 the last two seasons, but all at home.
divol
The Spurs can suck my manhood
I do think that betting each game on SAS SU and ATS will be money, just like in Pacers case.
I think that Heat have much better match ups than they had against the Pacers (who can stop LeBron for example), but after seeing Spoelstra being outplayed by Vogel, I don't even want to think what Pop should do to him.
If Pop coached the Pacers, no way he would have kept Hibbert on bench and I have a very strong feeling that Pacers would have won 4 - 2 the series...
On top of that, TP and Duncan in amazing form and as far as storyline goes, can't imagine SAS story ending in the Finals loss...
As far as match ups go, Bosh should feel much more comfortable playing Duncan, but we can say the other way around as well. Duncan battled Z-Bo and Gasol last round and now he faces weaker defenders.
I think that Lenard and Green can do really good job on Wade and while guarding LeBron can be a problem, Pacers I think proved without a doubt, that even LeBron, can't win the series by himself.
I think that Heat have much better match ups than they had against the Pacers (who can stop LeBron for example), but after seeing Spoelstra being outplayed by Vogel, I don't even want to think what Pop should do to him.
If Pop coached the Pacers, no way he would have kept Hibbert on bench and I have a very strong feeling that Pacers would have won 4 - 2 the series...
On top of that, TP and Duncan in amazing form and as far as storyline goes, can't imagine SAS story ending in the Finals loss...
As far as match ups go, Bosh should feel much more comfortable playing Duncan, but we can say the other way around as well. Duncan battled Z-Bo and Gasol last round and now he faces weaker defenders.
I think that Lenard and Green can do really good job on Wade and while guarding LeBron can be a problem, Pacers I think proved without a doubt, that even LeBron, can't win the series by himself.
emkee
The Truth Is Out There
Believe the Spurs are 5-1 ATS (6-0 SU) on 6+ days in the playoffs since 2000. Their lone ATS loss coming last year in the WCF's against OKC in Game 1...
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IvyinBarondise
Pretty much a regular
Spurs layoff will help them...
Any other team in the NBA and the rest would ensure a rusty, poorly played game 1. Spurs welcomed the rest and have been watching every minute of the ECF. Game one will go to Pop with a superior gameplan and tons of energy coming out of his aged "big three".
It'll be up to Miami to find a way to adjust for game two. Last night's game aside, Miami has a lot of issues and the Spurs are the best team in the league at exploiting them.
The funny thing is, HCA could potentially give SAS two shots at an elimination....they'll both be in Miami but two shots would make them the favorite. Spurs jump out in game one and take the split at worst. I don't see any team winning 2/3 in San Antonio in the NBA finals....
I don't need money on this series, I'll just be enjoying every minute.
Any other team in the NBA and the rest would ensure a rusty, poorly played game 1. Spurs welcomed the rest and have been watching every minute of the ECF. Game one will go to Pop with a superior gameplan and tons of energy coming out of his aged "big three".
It'll be up to Miami to find a way to adjust for game two. Last night's game aside, Miami has a lot of issues and the Spurs are the best team in the league at exploiting them.
The funny thing is, HCA could potentially give SAS two shots at an elimination....they'll both be in Miami but two shots would make them the favorite. Spurs jump out in game one and take the split at worst. I don't see any team winning 2/3 in San Antonio in the NBA finals....
I don't need money on this series, I'll just be enjoying every minute.
wizardofodd
Resident Newlywed
6/188.5 at my book
JumpOnBoard
CTG Partner
JumpOnBoard
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Battle of the bald spots.
nbafan88
Pretty much a regular
Ginobliiiiiii
IvyinBarondise
Pretty much a regular
game one is VERY important to SAS, and nobody knows that better then Pop...
The Spurs chances really come down to ginobli's effectiveness. Duncan and Parker are going to perform at expected levels throughout the series....Green/Leonard/Bonner/Splitter (well splitter might be huge too)....are all gonna perform well @ home, probably much less effective offensively on the road. Leonard is going to be asked to guard Lebron but nobody is stopping him from averaging 30 ppg in this series. This rest was HUGE for San Antonio and Ginobli's health. If Ginobli can sustain his level of excellence that we've come accustomed in important games....San Antonio is going to win. If he's ineffective, they're most likely going to lose. What I want is for Wade to be Wade, Ginobli to be Ginobli...and we see a clash of big threes. Bosh will end up playing a game where he's not even a top 5 player on the court lmao. '
LETS GO SPURSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
(guys, game one is a great spot for SAS....if you know this team, their preparation, how they play off big rest....you know that they're in a great position to steal HCA. Strategically, game one is completely essential to SAS. Say they lose game one...Miami will be astoundingly loud in game two, Miami will have all kinds of confidence...and game two has now become a MUST win b/c nobody's winning three in a row this series. That would be the first of MANY virtual elimination games they'd have to play and they cannot win like that. Spurs take game one...they're too good and too smart...they'll land the first punch.
The Spurs chances really come down to ginobli's effectiveness. Duncan and Parker are going to perform at expected levels throughout the series....Green/Leonard/Bonner/Splitter (well splitter might be huge too)....are all gonna perform well @ home, probably much less effective offensively on the road. Leonard is going to be asked to guard Lebron but nobody is stopping him from averaging 30 ppg in this series. This rest was HUGE for San Antonio and Ginobli's health. If Ginobli can sustain his level of excellence that we've come accustomed in important games....San Antonio is going to win. If he's ineffective, they're most likely going to lose. What I want is for Wade to be Wade, Ginobli to be Ginobli...and we see a clash of big threes. Bosh will end up playing a game where he's not even a top 5 player on the court lmao. '
LETS GO SPURSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
(guys, game one is a great spot for SAS....if you know this team, their preparation, how they play off big rest....you know that they're in a great position to steal HCA. Strategically, game one is completely essential to SAS. Say they lose game one...Miami will be astoundingly loud in game two, Miami will have all kinds of confidence...and game two has now become a MUST win b/c nobody's winning three in a row this series. That would be the first of MANY virtual elimination games they'd have to play and they cannot win like that. Spurs take game one...they're too good and too smart...they'll land the first punch.
One thing worth pointing out, I completely acknowledge that it's a stretch, but nonetheless worth mentioning.
Every year since he came to Miami and everybody else became the lebroni's, the heat have fallen flat on their faces in Game 1 after their most grueling eastern series. Last 2 years, that opponent happened to be Boston - game 1 in Chicago and okc Miami fell flat on their face. Now look, Boston carried emotional weight since Miami was mentally trying to establish themselves as the top dog, and such a mindset never happened against Indiana. That said, there are some similarities in how uncomfortable and how closely Indy played Miami compared to what Boston did in 2011 and 2012. Just thinking out loud and thought I'd share, beating Indy after how hard it was may have Miami exhaling a bit too soon, which they already have a history of doing.
Every year since he came to Miami and everybody else became the lebroni's, the heat have fallen flat on their faces in Game 1 after their most grueling eastern series. Last 2 years, that opponent happened to be Boston - game 1 in Chicago and okc Miami fell flat on their face. Now look, Boston carried emotional weight since Miami was mentally trying to establish themselves as the top dog, and such a mindset never happened against Indiana. That said, there are some similarities in how uncomfortable and how closely Indy played Miami compared to what Boston did in 2011 and 2012. Just thinking out loud and thought I'd share, beating Indy after how hard it was may have Miami exhaling a bit too soon, which they already have a history of doing.
aplous
Donkey Hater
Always trying to "read the line"....what would u make it for equal action? I expected 4.5
braves
Pretty much a regular
how is it a strong line for the heat? It's in line with the series prices . A strong line would be something similar to heat/pacers game at -7....Unless you feel that Spurs and Heat should be a pk on a neutral, line looks right to me
braves
Pretty much a regular
ah okay, so you just disagree that they have miami as a series favorite( or at least as big as a fave as they do), but it is right in line with that, so don't think the books are throwing out a strong line was all I was saying
So books have Miami at -1, -1.5 on neutral. I'm assuming 4, maybe 4.5 at the most for hca ( not sure in NBA)
So books have Miami at -1, -1.5 on neutral. I'm assuming 4, maybe 4.5 at the most for hca ( not sure in NBA)
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Lareux
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Floyd's winning ticket
The ticket is complete BS, and was debunked by more than a few people on Twitter today. As if anyone needed it to be debunked....Vegas casinos aren't in the business of taking $6MM bets, especially the 'Sunset Station.' Floyd is such a fucking poser.
The website that started the rumor initially said that Floyd made the bet through a bunch of different casinos....then come out with that pic.
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[h=1]The Floyd Fantasy
[/h] Posted by Todd on Jun 4, 2013 in Industry News
The media and bettors alike love a great sports betting story, especially when it involves large numbers. The one major problem is when stories are written and given national media attention by reputable outlets despite being completely untrue. Yesterday provided another black eye for the advancement of sports gambling news coverage when a larger than life rumor gained traction through the twitterverse after it was picked up by major news media.
Here are 4 reasons (beyond the actual fact we know it never happened) that Floyd Mayweather didn’t have 5.9 million bet on the Miami Heat in Game 7. (ticket image courtesy of @Kunk7)
Before I actually dive into those specific reasons, let me say I’m embarrassed that our own local news media here in Las Vegas didn’t take the time to verify the story before allowing it to generate momentum nationally (I still don’t know how Vegas Gambling Steam is a reliable news source).
1) The Source
The story broke from the twitter account @Pregame_Steam. This account as you see in the biography links directly to a known sports rumor mill designed for doing one thing and one thing only; generating pick sales for its ownership group led by Incarcerated Bob. It’s not a reach to say this is the journalistic equivalent of the national news media citing the National Enquirer over White House correspondents when writing articles on US foreign policy. The lackluster effort and fact checking that went into validating this story boggles my mind, there’s absolutely no excuse for it ever happening if we care about accuracy in reporting. I spoke to one of the most respected journalists David Purdum currently covering the sports betting industry and here’s what he said about the topic at hand:
“To me, it’s very telling that the initial report of the supposed Mayweather bet came from a Twitter account that uses a logo of a company it is not affiliated with. They are pretending to be something they aren’t. It’s just childish and unethical, and it clearly speaks to the credibility of these folks, who all continually promote Incarcerated Bob.”
2) Logistics
Sportsbooks here in Las Vegas (or offshore) aren’t in the business of taking $5.9M bets on games PERIOD, especially those that won’t generate enough betting handle to absorb the magnitude of a single game wager like this. The Superbowl is the largest sporting event here in the state, consistently attracting the largest bets. A bet of this size would send shockwaves through any sportsbook on that game, let alone a NBA Conference finals that may see 1% of that overall betting handle if I was inclined to be overly generous. Just to put this in perspective for this story to be plausible, here’s what would need to happen:
Floyd’s high profile around town allows him to make large wagers not available to customers off the street, that part is fact. Even if he were to be offered $500k per book for this bet (which didn’t happen), he’d need roughly 12 different casino operators willing to take his action. There aren’t even 12 large books in Southern Nevada (Cantor, William Hill, Stations, LVH, Caesars, MGM, Wynn, Boyd) to accept this kind of bet. Even if we break it down further and say each individual casino took $100k (still a pipedream), I implore anyone reading this story to try and get 59 different betting shops to take 6 figure wagers.
3) Experience
I know the sports book operators in this town where large limit wagers are encouraged and accepted; no one is taking a bet this size even from a Vegas legend like Floyd. If one shop were to take the wager, their entire earnings for all of Q2 would be dictated by it’s result. At that point it no longer becomes bookmaking but rather gambling with house money. While everyone likes a good story, very few book directors (if any) would put their jobs on the line for one game. Dare I ask why Floyd would also bet $5.9M rather than $6.6 to win 6? Nah, seems overly simplistic to ask those questions.
4) Fact Checking
No sports book operator anywhere in the city corroborated the story. Yes, every book protects the privacy of its players but you would have heard a PR team or even a ticket writer running to twitter to share the news with anyone that would listen. My personal favorite was the actual picture circulating last night of the alleged ticket from Sunset Station
When you work in this business long enough, you tend to have sources and people you can trust for information. I’ll categorically say this ticket doesn’t exist and would be shocked if we ever saw one for this denomination get printed at Sunset Station in the immediate future.
If anyone’s looking for further comment from me on the story, I’ll actually be down at the Bellagio tonight trying to bet 7 figures on the LA Kings to win Game 3.
[/h] Posted by Todd on Jun 4, 2013 in Industry News
The media and bettors alike love a great sports betting story, especially when it involves large numbers. The one major problem is when stories are written and given national media attention by reputable outlets despite being completely untrue. Yesterday provided another black eye for the advancement of sports gambling news coverage when a larger than life rumor gained traction through the twitterverse after it was picked up by major news media.
Here are 4 reasons (beyond the actual fact we know it never happened) that Floyd Mayweather didn’t have 5.9 million bet on the Miami Heat in Game 7. (ticket image courtesy of @Kunk7)
Before I actually dive into those specific reasons, let me say I’m embarrassed that our own local news media here in Las Vegas didn’t take the time to verify the story before allowing it to generate momentum nationally (I still don’t know how Vegas Gambling Steam is a reliable news source).
1) The Source
The story broke from the twitter account @Pregame_Steam. This account as you see in the biography links directly to a known sports rumor mill designed for doing one thing and one thing only; generating pick sales for its ownership group led by Incarcerated Bob. It’s not a reach to say this is the journalistic equivalent of the national news media citing the National Enquirer over White House correspondents when writing articles on US foreign policy. The lackluster effort and fact checking that went into validating this story boggles my mind, there’s absolutely no excuse for it ever happening if we care about accuracy in reporting. I spoke to one of the most respected journalists David Purdum currently covering the sports betting industry and here’s what he said about the topic at hand:
“To me, it’s very telling that the initial report of the supposed Mayweather bet came from a Twitter account that uses a logo of a company it is not affiliated with. They are pretending to be something they aren’t. It’s just childish and unethical, and it clearly speaks to the credibility of these folks, who all continually promote Incarcerated Bob.”
2) Logistics
Sportsbooks here in Las Vegas (or offshore) aren’t in the business of taking $5.9M bets on games PERIOD, especially those that won’t generate enough betting handle to absorb the magnitude of a single game wager like this. The Superbowl is the largest sporting event here in the state, consistently attracting the largest bets. A bet of this size would send shockwaves through any sportsbook on that game, let alone a NBA Conference finals that may see 1% of that overall betting handle if I was inclined to be overly generous. Just to put this in perspective for this story to be plausible, here’s what would need to happen:
Floyd’s high profile around town allows him to make large wagers not available to customers off the street, that part is fact. Even if he were to be offered $500k per book for this bet (which didn’t happen), he’d need roughly 12 different casino operators willing to take his action. There aren’t even 12 large books in Southern Nevada (Cantor, William Hill, Stations, LVH, Caesars, MGM, Wynn, Boyd) to accept this kind of bet. Even if we break it down further and say each individual casino took $100k (still a pipedream), I implore anyone reading this story to try and get 59 different betting shops to take 6 figure wagers.
3) Experience
I know the sports book operators in this town where large limit wagers are encouraged and accepted; no one is taking a bet this size even from a Vegas legend like Floyd. If one shop were to take the wager, their entire earnings for all of Q2 would be dictated by it’s result. At that point it no longer becomes bookmaking but rather gambling with house money. While everyone likes a good story, very few book directors (if any) would put their jobs on the line for one game. Dare I ask why Floyd would also bet $5.9M rather than $6.6 to win 6? Nah, seems overly simplistic to ask those questions.
4) Fact Checking
No sports book operator anywhere in the city corroborated the story. Yes, every book protects the privacy of its players but you would have heard a PR team or even a ticket writer running to twitter to share the news with anyone that would listen. My personal favorite was the actual picture circulating last night of the alleged ticket from Sunset Station
When you work in this business long enough, you tend to have sources and people you can trust for information. I’ll categorically say this ticket doesn’t exist and would be shocked if we ever saw one for this denomination get printed at Sunset Station in the immediate future.
If anyone’s looking for further comment from me on the story, I’ll actually be down at the Bellagio tonight trying to bet 7 figures on the LA Kings to win Game 3.
wizardofodd
Resident Newlywed
This Jackass is bringing up 2007!!! LMFAO!!!
Brandon Lang:
Brandon Lang:
It's all about perfection tonight.
Folks, as long as I live I will never forget the 2007 NBA finals and the fact I hit every single game with a game one under play thrown in for good measure.
And sportsfans, you have no idea what it took to get that perfect 5-0 ATS in the finals.
In that sweep by the Spurs over Lebron and the Cavs, I rode the Spurs and Under in game one, Spurs in game 2 and the Spurs again in game 3.
I jumped on the Cavs as a 2 1/2 point home dog in game 4 and watched Dante Jones hit a 3 at the buzzer for the backdoor cover as the Spurs won 83-82.
Forget the 100 dime destruction with Miami in game 7 over the Spurs. That is over and done with. Tonight is about continuing perfection.
I am quite confident there isn't a handicapper on the planet earth who went a perfect 5-0 ATS in the 2007 NBA finals.
And I am quite confident it will be 6-0 after tonight.
So if you want to win tonight, you know what you have to do as I push perfection to 6-0 tonight with a 2nd straight 30 dime winner early and a day game special, you know what to do..
Nothing more to say. Nothing more to do. #6 in a row is waiting for you now.
All you have to do is go inside and get it.
Folks, as long as I live I will never forget the 2007 NBA finals and the fact I hit every single game with a game one under play thrown in for good measure.
And sportsfans, you have no idea what it took to get that perfect 5-0 ATS in the finals.
In that sweep by the Spurs over Lebron and the Cavs, I rode the Spurs and Under in game one, Spurs in game 2 and the Spurs again in game 3.
I jumped on the Cavs as a 2 1/2 point home dog in game 4 and watched Dante Jones hit a 3 at the buzzer for the backdoor cover as the Spurs won 83-82.
Forget the 100 dime destruction with Miami in game 7 over the Spurs. That is over and done with. Tonight is about continuing perfection.
I am quite confident there isn't a handicapper on the planet earth who went a perfect 5-0 ATS in the 2007 NBA finals.
And I am quite confident it will be 6-0 after tonight.
So if you want to win tonight, you know what you have to do as I push perfection to 6-0 tonight with a 2nd straight 30 dime winner early and a day game special, you know what to do..
Nothing more to say. Nothing more to do. #6 in a row is waiting for you now.
All you have to do is go inside and get it.
emkee
The Truth Is Out There
Last time a road team won or covered Game 1 of the Finals was in 2004 (Pistons over Lakers). Home teams are 8-0 SU and ATS since then in Game 1...
Confident not a capper alive went 5-0!?!? Over 3% of all untrained monkeys will go 5-0...I'm impressed.
CASH
Pretty much a regular
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placed this in March, i think during the Heats winning streak..
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placed this in March, i think during the Heats winning streak..
