NBA 2015-16 Season Post-Road Trip ATS Results

BetCrimes1984

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Post-Road Trip ATS results for the last 12 seasons: see post #2.


Post-Road Trip ATS results for teams on short rest then playing B2B: see post #5.
 
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I initially gathered these figures (based on opening lines) together midway through the 06-07 season, to test the veracity of the belief that said the time to fade teams off longish road trips (longish = 4 or more games in length, since that usually translates to at least a week's absence from ones own homecourt) was in their first game back home.

The clear message from these (fully updated) figures is - it isn't the 1st game back @home where you find a real advantage in fading a team, it's in their 2nd game back.

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The overall ATS figures for the last 12 seasons are as follows -

For the 1st game off a 4+ game road trip -
405-450-22 .......... -45

For the 2nd game off a 4+ game road trip - 368-477-16 ........ -109


The ATS win rate for the 1st game is 46.18% vs. 42.74% for the 2nd game.


Of course the above figures are a lot more involved than what the surface facts provide. Different scenarios & teams means its not always that clean cut to say *never* bet a team in the 2nd game. On this basis, I've broken down each set of stats into the deeper scenarios, for 2 groupings: Teams coming off 4 game road trips, and teams coming off 5+ game road trips...

Note: where the All-Star break broke up a teams road trip, or broke up a team's return game/games, they have been excluded.

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Teams off 4 game road trips


1st Game Back - Eastern teams

Overall ......................<wbr>................... 102-112-7


As the Fav ..............................<wbr>...... 68-72-5
As the Dog ..............................<wbr>..... 34-40-2

vs. Conference teams .................... 65-71-7
vs. non-Conference teams ............. 37-41


vs. Conf teams as a Fav ..............................<wbr>... 50-47-5
vs. Conf teams as a Dog ..............................<wbr>.. 15-24-2

vs. non-Conf teams as a Fav .......................... 18-<wbr>25
vs. non-Conf teams as a Dog ......................... 19-<wbr>16


1st Game Back - Western teams

Overall ......................<wbr>................... 114-126-9


As the Fav ..............................<wbr>...... 85-90-7
As the Dog ..............................<wbr>..... 29-36-2

vs. Conference teams .................... 67-81-6
vs. non-Conference teams ............. 47-45-3


vs. Conf teams as a Fav ..............................<wbr>... 44-57-5
vs. Conf teams as a Dog ..............................<wbr>.. 23-24-1

vs. non-Conf teams as a Fav .......................... 41-<wbr>33-2
vs. non-Conf teams as a Dog ............................ 6-<wbr>12-1


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2nd game Back - Eastern teams

Home game ..............................<wbr>.... 48-76-4
Road game ..............................<wbr>..... 41-47-1


@Home as a Fav ........................... 26<wbr>-47-2
@Home as a Dog .......................... 22-<wbr>29-2

on the Road as a Fav ..................... 12-10-1
on the Road as a Dog .................... 29-37


@Home vs. Conf teams .................. 36-43-1
@Home vs. non-Conf teams ........... 12-33-3

on the Road vs. Conf teams ............ 38-44-1
on the Road vs. non-Conf teams ....... 3-3


@Home vs. Conf teams as a Fav ..................... 19-28-1
@Home vs. Conf teams as a Dog .................... 17-15

@Home vs. non-Conf teams as a Fav ................ 7-19-1
@Home vs. non-Conf teams as a Dog ............... 5-14-2

on the Road vs. Conf teams as a Fav ............... 12-10-1
on the Road vs. Conf teams as a Dog .............. 26-34

on the Road vs. non-Conf teams as a Fav ......... ----
on the Road vs. non-Conf teams as a Dog ......... 3-3


2nd game Back - Western teams

Home game .........................<wbr>.......... 73-104-4
Road game ................................<wbr>.... 34-29-1


@Home as a Fav ............................ 52-<wbr>77-3

@Home as a Dog ........................... 21-<wbr>27-1

on the Road as a Fav ........................ 8-5
on the Road as a Dog ..................... 26-24-1


@Home vs. Conf teams ................... 45-78-4
@Home vs. non-Conf teams ............
28-26

on the Road vs. Conf teams .............
20-24-1

on the Road vs. non-Conf teams ...... 14-5



@Home vs. Conf teams as a Fav ........................ 31-57-3
@Home vs. Conf teams as a Dog ....................... 14-21-1

@Home vs. non-Conf teams as a Fav .................
21-20
@Home vs. non-Conf teams as a Dog .................. 7-6

on the Road vs. Conf teams as a Fav ................... 5-5
on the Road vs. Conf teams as a Dog ................ 15-19-1

on the Road vs. non-Conf teams as a Fav ............ 3-0
on the Road vs. non-Conf teams as a Dog ......... 11-5



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Teams off 5+ game road trips


1st Game Back - Eastern teams

Overall ..............................<wbr>........... 83-115-1


As the Fav ..............................<wbr>...... 50-84-1
As the Dog ..............................<wbr>..... 33-31

vs. Conference teams .................... 60-72
vs. non-Conference teams ............. 23-43-1


vs. Conf teams as a Fav ..............................<wbr>... 39-54
vs. Conf teams as a Dog ..............................<wbr>.. 21-18

vs. non-Conf teams as a Fav .......................... 11-<wbr>30-1
vs. non-Conf teams as a Dog ......................... 12-<wbr>13


1st Game Back - Western teams

Overall ......................<wbr>.................. 106-97-5


As the Fav ..............................<wbr>...... 68-75-3
As the Dog ..............................<wbr>..... 38-22-2

vs. Conference teams .................... 66-56-2
vs. non-Conference teams ............. 40-41-3


vs. Conf teams as a Fav ..............................<wbr>... 38-40-1
vs. Conf teams as a Dog ..............................<wbr>.. 28-16-1

vs. non-Conf teams as a Fav .......................... 30-<wbr>35-2
vs. non-Conf teams as a Dog ......................... 10-<wbr>6-1

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2nd game Back - Eastern teams

Home game ..............................<wbr>.... 61-58-3
Road game ..............................<wbr>..... 31-44


@Home as a Fav ........................... 36<wbr>-44-2
@Home as a Dog .......................... 25-<wbr>14-1

on the Road as a Fav ....................... 9-7
on the Road as a Dog .................... 22-37


@Home vs. Conf teams .................. 37-44-3
@Home vs. non-Conf teams ............ 24-14

on the Road vs. Conf teams ............ 29-39
on the Road vs. non-Conf teams ....... 2-5


@Home vs. Conf teams as a Fav ..................... 22-35-2
@Home vs. Conf teams as a Dog .................... 15-9-1

@Home vs. non-Conf teams as a Fav ............... 14-9
@Home vs. non-Conf teams as a Dog .............. 10-5

on the Road vs. Conf teams as a Fav ................. 9-6
on the Road vs. Conf teams as a Dog .............. 20-33

on the Road vs. non-Conf teams as a Fav .......... 0-1
on the Road vs. non-Conf teams as a Dog ......... 2-4


2nd game Back - Western teams

Home game .........................<wbr>......... 49-76-2
Road game ..............................<wbr>..... 31-43-1


@Home as a Fav ........................... 37-<wbr>49-2

@Home as a Dog .......................... 12-<wbr>27

on the Road as a Fav ..................... 10-11
on the Road as a Dog .................... 21-32-1


@Home vs. Conf teams .................. 29-53-2
@Home vs. non-Conf teams ........... 20-23
on the Road vs. Conf teams ............ 25-39-1
on the Road vs. non-Conf teams ....... 6-4


@Home vs. Conf teams as a Fav ...................... 24-31-2
@Home vs. Conf teams as a Dog ........................ 5-22

@Home vs. non-Conf teams as a Fav ............... 13-18
@Home vs. non-Conf teams as a Dog ................. 7-5

on the Road vs. Conf teams as a Fav ..................
9-9
on the Road vs. Conf teams as a Dog ............... 16-30-1

on the Road vs. non-Conf teams as a Fav ...........
1-2
on the Road vs. non-Conf teams as a Dog .......... 5-2


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Looking at the combined numbers in these categories that stay true in nature,
no matter coming off a 4 or 5+ game road trip...


West - 2nd game as a Dog vs. Conf. teams .............. 22-57-1 (3-9-1 <wbr>in 14-15)


West - 2nd game @Home vs. Conf. teams ............... 74-127-6 (6-8 <wbr>in 14-15)


East - 2nd game @Home as a Fav vs. Conf. teams ... 41-63-3 (4-5 in 14-15)

East - 2nd game Away as a Dog vs. Conf. teams ...... 46-67 (7-2 in 14-15)

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The majority of teams do not win or lose both games ATS, rather they have a general tendency to split results over the 2 games (splits incl. a push result married w/either a win or loss)...

Off 4 game road trips (last 12 seasons)
Win both ......... 21.00%
Lose both ........ 30.30%
Split results ..... 48.70%

Off 5+ game road trips (last 12 seasons)
Win both ......... 22.31%
Lose both ........ 32.08%
Split results ..... 45.61%


While the above figures betray the fact that split results are most prevalent result combination when considering all results as a whole, how teams perform in their 1st game back is important to note: For the 6 seasons results I still have immediately to hand (due to the site crash, but it's still a sizable enough stat pool to provide a significant indicator)...

...Teams who won their 1st game back, lost their 2nd game at a 55.37% ATS rate

...Teams who lost their 1st game back, lost their 2nd game at a 58.40% ATS rate

The above tendencies betray the fact that teams who lose their 1st game back play even more heavily into the notion of being faded in their 2nd game off these 4+ game road trips
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Naturally there are some teams that seem to be either especially true to such trends, or defy them in an outstanding manner (the below figures are the 4 & 5+ game stats combined)...


Teams in keeping with the trends

Teams with the
best 1st game records over the last 12 seasons -

Denver ............. 20-6
Golden State ..... 28-15-3
New York .......... 19-7-1
Memphis ........... 16-10-1

GS bucked their decade plus trend of performing in this spot by going 0-3 ATS in 1st games last season.


Teams with the worst 2nd game records over the last 12 seasons -

Oklahoma ........... 6-20
Toronto ............ 10-18-1
Miami ............... 14-21

These 3 teams are a combined 30-59-1 ATS in their 2nd games back off 4+ game road trips
the last 12 seasons, a
win rate of just 33.3%.


Teams bucking the trends

Teams with the
worst 1st game records over the last 12 seasons -

Washington ......... 9-17
Boston............... 11-17-2
Portland ............ 15-24-1

Washington went 0-3 ATS in this spot last season.


Team with the most noteworthy 2nd game record over the last 12 seasons -

Memphis ........... 15-12

Memphis went 1-1 ATS in this spot last season (both times delivering the opposite ATS result to their 1st game back result).


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These results will only be added collectively to the stats in the initial post at season's end.

Results based on opening lines (when thats a pick'em, the home team is made a -0.5 Fav).

Opponents in
bolded blue are themselves playing the 2nd of b2b games.

November

TOR off a 4 game trip
10th - Home Fave vs. NYK -
Lost
11th - Road Fave vs. PHI - Won

MEM off a 5 game trip
11th - Home Dog vs. GS -
Lost
13th - Home Fave vs. POR -
Lost

LAL off a 5 game trip
15th - Home Fave vs.
DET - Won
16th - Road Dog vs. PHX -
Lost

BRK off a 4 game trip
17th
- Home Dog vs. ATL -
Won
18th - Road Dog vs.
CHA - Won

DET off a 5 game trip
17th - Home Dog vs. CLE -
Won
20th - Road Fave vs. MIN -
Won

UTH off a 4 game trip
18th - Home Fave vs.
TOR - Lost
20th - Road Dog vs. DAL -
Lost

POR off a 4 game trip
20th - Home Dog vs.
LAC - Won
22nd - Road Fave vs. LAL
- Won

TOR off a 5 game trip
25th - Home Dog vs. CLE -
Won
28th - Road Fave vs.
WAS - Push

SAC off a 5 game trip
27th - Home Fave vs. MIN -
Lost
28th - Road Dog vs.
GS - Lost

NYK off a 4 game trip
27th - Home Dog vs. MIA -
Lost
29th - Home Dog vs. HOU -
Lost

CHC off a 4 game trip
30th - Home Dog vs. SAS -
Won
2nd - Home Fave vs. DEN -
Lost


December

PHI off a 6 game trip
1st - Home Dog vs. LAL -
Won
2nd - Road Dog vs. NYK -
Lost

DEN off a 5 game trip
8th - Home Dog vs. ORL -
Lost
11th - Home Dog vs. MIN -
Won

IND off a 4 game trip
8th - Home Dog vs. GS -
Lost
11th - Home Fave vs. MIA -
Won

BOS off a 5 game trip
9th - Home Fave vs. CHC -
Won
11th - Home Dog vs. GS -
Won

PHX off a 6 game trip
9th - Home Fave vs.
ORL - Lost
11th - Home Fav vs. POR -
Lost

ORL off a 5 game trip
11th - Home Dog vs. CLE -
Lost
14th - Road Fave vs. BRK -
Won

POR off a 4 game trip
12th - Home Fave vs. NYK -
Lost
14th - Home Fave vs. NOR -
Won

LAL off a 8 game trip
15th - Home Dog vs. MIL -
Won
17th - Home Dog vs. HOU -
Lost

GS off a 7 game trip
16th - Home Fave vs. PHX -
Won
18th - Home Fave vs. MIL -
Lost

LAC off a 5 game trip
16th - Home Fave vs.
MIL - Won
18th - Road Dog vs. SAS -
Lost

WAS off a 4 game trip
19th - Home Dog vs. CHA -
Won
21st - Home Fav vs.
SAC - Won

NOR off a 5 game trip
23rd - Home Fave vs. POR -
Won
25th - Road Dog vs. MIA - Lost

MIL off a 4 game trip
23rd - Home Fave vs.
PHI - Won
26th - Home Dog vs. TOR -
Lost

POR off a 5 game trip
26th - Home Dog vs.
CLE - Won
27th - Road Dog vs. SAC -
Won

SAC off a 4 game trip
27th - Home Fave vs.
POR - Lost
28th - Road Dog vs. GS -
Lost


January

CLE off a 4 game trip
2nd - Home Fav vs.
ORL - Won
4th - Home Fav vs.
TOR - Won

LAC off a 5 game trip
2nd - Home Fave vs.
PHI - Won
6th - Road Fave vs. POR -
Won

MIL off a 4 game trip
4th - Home Dog vs. SAS -
Lost
5th - Road Dog vs. CHC -
Lost

PHI off a 6 game trip
4th - Home Dog vs. MIN -
Won
7th - Road Dog vs. ATL -
Lost

PHX off a 4 game trip
6th - Home Dog vs. CHA -
Won
8th - Home Dog vs. MIA -
Lost

IND off a 4 game trip
12th - Home Fave vs. PHX -
Won
13th - Road Dog vs.
BOS - Lost

CHA off a 4 game trip
13th - Home Dog vs. ATL -
Won
15th - Road Dog vs. NOR -
Won

CLE off a 6 game trip
18th - Home Fave vs. GS -
Lost
20th - Road Fave vs. BRK -
Won

TOR off a 5 game trip
18th - Home Fave vs. BRK -
Push
20th - Home Fave vs. BOS -
Won

MIA off a 6 game trip
19th - Home Fave vs. MIL -
Lost
20th - Road Dog vs. WAS -
Lost

UTH off a 4 game trip
25th - Home Fave vs. DET -
Lost
27th - Home Fave vs. CHA -
Won

IND off a 4 game trip
26th - Home Fave vs. LAC -
Lost
28th - Home Fave vs.
ATL - Won

MIL off a 4 game trip
26th - Home Fave vs.
ORL - Won
28th - Road Dog vs. MEM -
Lost

ATL off a 4 game trip
27th - Home Fave vs.
LAC - Lost
28th - Road Dog vs. IND -
Lost

DET off a 4 game trip
27th - Home Fave vs.
PHI - Won
29th - Home Dog vs. CLE -
Lost

LAC off a 5 game trip
29th - Home Fave vs.
LAL - Lost
31st - Home Fave vs. CHC -
Won

OKC off a 4 game trip
29th - Home Fave vs. HOU -
Won
1st - Home Fave vs. WAS -
Won

MIA off a 5 game trip
31st - Home Fave vs. ATL -
Won
2nd - Road Dog vs. HOU -
Lost


February

PHX off a 4 game trip
2nd - Home Dog vs.
TOR - Won
4th - Home Dog vs. HOU -
Won

CHA off a 4 game trip
3rd - Home Dog vs. CLE - Won
5th - Home Dog vs. MIA -
Lost

MIN off a 4 game trip
6th - Home Fave vs.
CHC - Won
8th - Home Fave vs. NOR -
Lost

CHC off a 7 game trip
10th - Home Dog vs. ATL -
Lost
No 2nd game due to AS break.


March

CHA off a 5 game trip
1st - Home Fave vs. PHX -
Won
2nd - Road Fave vs. PHI -
Won

GS off a 6 game trip
1st - Home Fave vs. ATL -
Lost
3rd - Home Fave vs.
OKC - Won

SAS off a 6 game trip
2nd
- Home Fave vs. DET -
Won
3rd - Road Fave vs.
NOR - Lost

IND off a 4 game trip
7th - Home Dog vs. SAS -
Won
12th - Road Dog vs. DAL -
Won


UTH off a 4 game trip
8th
- Home Fave vs. ATL -
Lost
9th - Road Dog vs. GS -
Lost

POR off a 6 game trip
8th - Home Fave vs. WAS -
Won
11th - Road Dog vs. GS -
Lost

PHX off a 4 game trip
9th - Home Dog vs.
NYK - Lost
10th - Road Dog vs. DEN -
Lost

OKC off a 4 game trip
9th - Home Fave vs. LAC -
Won
11th - Home Fave vs. MIN -
Lost

SAC off a 4 game trip
9th - Home Dog vs. CLE -
Lost
11th - Home Fave vs. ORL -
Lost

ATL off a 5 game trip
12th - Home Fave vs.
MEM - Lost
13th - Home Fave vs.
IND - Won

BRK off a 9 game trip
13th - Home Dog vs.
MIL - Lost
15th - Home Fave vs. PHI -
Won

HOU off a 5 game trip
14th - Home Fave vs. MEM -
Won
16th - Home Fave vs. LAC -
Lost

ORL off a 4 game trip
15th - Home Fave vs. DEN -
Won
16th - Road Dog vs. CHA -
Won

CLE off a 4 game trip
16th - Home Fave vs. DAL -
Lost
18th - Road Fave vs. ORL -
Lost

DET off a 4 game trip
16th - Home Fave vs. ATL -
Lost
18th - Home Fave vs. SAC -
Won

NOR off a 5 game trip
18th - Home Dog vs.
POR - Lost
20th - Home Dog vs.
LAC - Won

NYK off a 6 game trip
20th - Home Fave vs. SAC -
Lost
23rd - Road Dog vs. CHC -
Won

MIN off a 4 game trip
21st - Home Dog vs. GS -
Won
23rd - Home Fave vs. SAC -
Won

POR off a 4 game trip
23rd
- Home Fave vs. DAL -
Push
24th - Road Dog vs.
LAC - Won

DEN off a 5 game trip
23rd - Home Fave vs. PHI -
Lost
25th - Road Fave vs. LAL -
Won

LAC off a 5 game trip
24th - Home Fave vs.
POR - Lost
27th - Home Fave vs. DEN -
Won

SAC off a 4 game trip
25th - Home Fave vs. PHX -
Won
27th - Home Fave vs. DAL -
Won

ORL off a 4 game trip
26th - Home Dog vs. CHC -
Won
29th - Home Fave vs.
BRK - Won

UTH off a 5 game trip
28th - Home Fave vs.
LAL - Won
30th - Home Dog vs.
GS - Lost

PHI off a 4 game trip
29th - Home Dog vs. CHA -
Lost
1st - Road Dog vs. CHA -
Won

DAL off a 4 game trip
30th - Home Fave vs. NYK -
Lost
1st - Road Dog vs. DET -
Won


April

CHA off a 4 game trip
1st - Home Fave vs. PHI -
Lost
3rd - Road Dog vs. CLE -
Lost

BRK off a 4 game trip
3rd - Home Fave vs. NOR -
Lost
6th - Road Dog vs. WAS -
Lost

BOS off a 5 game trip
6th - Home Fave vs.
NOR - Lost
8th - Home Fave vs. MIL -
Won

WAS off a 5 game trip
6th - Home Fave vs. BRK -
Won
8th - Road Dog vs. DET -
Lost

OKC off a 4 game trip
11th - Home Fave vs.
LAL - Won
12th - Road Dog vs. SAS -
Won


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Overall results for the 2015-16 season -


Teams playing 1st off 4 game trips ...... 22-19-1
Teams playing 2nd off 4 game trips ..... 22-20

Teams playing 1st off 5+ game trips .... 19-17-1
Teams playing 2nd off 5+ game trips ... 18-17-1

Combined Results

Teams playing 1st off 4+ game trips .... 41-36-2
Teams playing 2nd off 4+ game trips ... 40-37-1
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As usual, the schedule makers have seen fit to be cruel to a number of teams: 16 teams (3 twice) play their 1st & 2nd games back off 4+ game road trips in a B2B sequence. (Opponents bolded in blue are themselves playing the 2nd of b2b games.)


Playing their 1st & 2nd games back b2b off 1 day's rest since their trip's end

TOR off a 4 game trip
10th Nov. - Home vs. NYK -
Lost
11th Nov. - Away vs. PHI - Won

LAL off a 5 game trip
15th Nov. - Home vs.
DET - Won
16th
Nov. - Away vs. PHX -
Lost

SAC off a 5 game trip
27th
Nov. - Home vs. MIN -
Lost
28th Nov. - Away vs. GS - Lost

PHI off a 6 game trip
1st Dec. - Home vs. LAL -
Won
2nd Dec. - Away vs. NYK -
Lost

MIL off a 4 game trip
4th Jan. - Home vs. SAS -
Lost
5th Jan. - Away vs. CHC -
Lost

IND off a 4 game trip
12th Jan. - Home vs. PHX -
Won
13th Jan. - Away vs.
BOS - Lost

MIA off a 6 game trip
19th Jan. - Home vs. MIL -
Lost
20th Jan. - Away vs. WAS -
Lost

ATL off a 4 game trip
27th Jan. - Home vs.
LAC - Lost
28th Jan. - Away vs. IND -
Lost

CHA off a 5 game trip
1st Mar. - Home vs. PHX -
Won
2nd Mar. - Away vs. PHI -
Won

ATL off a 5 game trip
12th Mar. - Home vs.
MEM - Lost
13th Mar. - Home vs. IND - Won

OKC off a 4 game trip
11th Apr. - Home vs.
LAL - Won
12th Apr. - Away vs. SAS -
Won


Playing their 1st & 2nd games back b2b
off 2 days rest since their trip's end

BRK off a 4 game trip
17th Nov. - Home vs. ATL -
Won
18th Nov. - Away vs.
CHA - Won

POR off a 5 game trip
26th Dec. - Home vs.
CLE - Won
27th Dec. - Away vs. SAC -
Won

SAS off a 6 game trip
2nd Mar. - Home vs. DET -
Won
3rd Mar. - Away vs.
NOR - Lost

UTH off a 4 game trip
8th Mar. - Home vs. ATL -
Lost
9th Mar. - Away vs. GS -
Lost

PHX off a 4 game trip
9th Mar. - Home vs.
NYK - Lost
10th Mar. - Away vs. DEN -
Lost

ORL off a 4 game trip
15th Mar. - Home vs.
DEN - Won
16th Mar. - Away vs. CHA -
Won

POR off a 4 game trip
23rd Mar. - Home vs. DAL -
Push
24th Mar. - Away vs.
LAC - Won


Playing their 1st & 2nd games back b2b
off 3 days rest since their trip's end

SAC off a 4 game trip
27th Dec. - Home vs.
POR - Lost
28th Dec. - Away vs. GS -
Lost
 
I decided to go back and collate stats specifically for the situation of teams playing b2b games off 4+ game road trips. The first thing I should note is that the site that allowed me to do this to the degree I could (19 seasons worth) presented results based on closing lines, not like the opening line based stats of the major Post Road Trip ATS thread. What these stats reveal is frankly some quite startling trends, startling to the degree that initially I only went back 10 seasons but after sifting through those results I had to go back further to gather a larger stat pool to see if those trends held true: sure enough they did. So, on with the show...


Overall results

1st game back off a 4+ game road trip: 80-100-4

2nd game back off a 4+ game road trip: 76-104-4

Immediately there's a surprise: teams have been almost as bad in their 1st games back as they have been in the 2nd of the B2B games. We've assumed the real killer spot would naturally be the 2nd B2B game, but generally speaking that's not been the case.


1st Game Back

1 day of rest off road trip + opponent NOT playing b2b: 26-35-3
2+ days rest off road trip + opponent NOT playing b2b: 29-33
Overall: 55-68-3

1 day of rest off road trip + opponent playing b2b: _6-20-1
2+ days rest off road trip + opponent playing b2b: 19-12
Overall: 25-32-1

Again, there's another immediate surprise: the worst spot for teams playing their 1st home game after a 4+ game road trip has come when facing an opponent that is playing in a no-rest situation. The post -road trip team has been slaughtered when off minimum rest (1 day) & facing an opponent with even less rest, but otherwise has been it's most dominant when off decent (2+ days) rest against the same no-rest opponents. When their opponents have not been subject to a no rest situation, then the extent of rest that the home team has benefited from hasn't really been too relevant, with the ATS winning rates being almost identical (40.6% w/1 days rest vs. 46.8% w/2+ days rest). Looking at the overall marks, the ATS winning rates are almost identical (43.6% w/opp. not b2b vs. 43.1% w/opp. b2b)


2nd Game Back

1 day of rest off road trip + opponent NOT playing b2b: 22-34
2+ days rest off road trip + opponent NOT playing b2b: 27-45-2
Overall: 49-79-2

1 day of rest off road trip + opponent playing b2b: 16-11-1
2+ days rest off road trip + opponent playing b2b: 11-14-1
Overall: 27-25-2

More surprises. For the 2nd b2b game for the team off the road trip, the situation is now totally reversed from the 1st game back results when facing an opponent that is itself playing b2b: Here playing with short rest
(1 day) produces the best results (compared to their being slaughtered in the same spot in the 1st game back scenario), and conversely playing with the extra rest (2+ days) produces a losing record (where it's the best spot going in the 1st game back situation). When playing an opponent who is off any sort of rest, again we see a losing record no matter how much rest a team has gotten between their recently ended road trip and their subsequent b2b games (though this time round the better ATS win rate belongs to the lesser rest situation). Looking at the overall marks which ignore the amount of rest involved off the road trips, there's little doubt that the stats show this spot contains no real advantage for betting their opponents when those opponents themselves are also playing B2B. But when their opponents aren't playing b2b? That's a mere 37.7% winning rate the last 19 completed seasons: This is the spot to look for to fade the post-road trip team, no questions asked.


Result Sequences (do not include those involving Pushes)

Sequence ......... W-W ... W-L ... L-W ... L-L
1 day of rest ....... 16 ..... 15 ..... 21 .... 29 (total instances = 81)
2+ days rest ....... 24 ..... 22 ..... 11 .... 38 (total instances = 95)

Looking at these results in comparison to one another on a rest basis -
The first obvious thing here is the unsurprising fact that teams off longer rest have recorded a significantly higher percentage of Win-Win sequences relative to their overall results (25.3%) than those off the shorter rest relative to their own overall results (19.7%). The percentage of Loss-Loss sequences are almost identical (shorter rest's 35.8% vs. longer rest's 40.0%) so there's no advantage to betting a loss in the 2nd game after knowledge of a 1st game loss in one situation or the other. The only remaining standout figure is for the Loss-Win sequences. The biggest discrepancy between the two rest situations is seen with the Loss-Win sequences: where they only account for 11.6% of the overall results for the greater rest situations, they account for a quarter (25.9%) of the results for the shorter rest situations.

Looking at these results within each rest grouping -
Teams who have won their 1st game have pretty much been a 51-52% shot to win their 2nd game, no matter what the nature of their rest off their recent road trip.

Teams who have lost their 1st game after short rest have lost their 2nd game at a 58.0% rate, but off longer rest have lost that 2nd game at a much more significant 77.6% rate.

It would seem that it's worth paying some attention to the result of the 1st game, when it comes to ascertaining what's worth betting for the 2nd game.

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Given the importance of knowing whether an opponent is playing b2b itself against these teams in either of these 2 games off a 4+ game road trip, I've gone back and highlighted in blue & bolded such teams (not only for these teams playing b2b off their road trips, but for all teams off road trips, as can be seen in my main thread containing the overall fixture list for this entire season. While I haven't bothered to take on the tireless task of gather all the stats for the non-b2b game situations, it will no doubt pay to take head of opponents who are themselves playing b2b in spots mirroring those highlighted by the stats here, ie. 1st game back with 1 days rest vs. a b2b opponent shouldn't be producing that much different results for teams not playing the next night, as teams that are here).

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so tonight SAC +17 or so should be a sweet spot "16-11ATS since GS is in B2B, off 2 blowout win, should have a letdown and only beat SAC by 9 this season

perhaps you can complexify your query for teams back raod trips in B2B if they are playing their 4th game in 5 night like 14-15 x 17-18
 
so tonight SAC +17 or so should be a sweet spot "16-11ATS since GS is in B2B, off 2 blowout win, should have a letdown and only beat SAC by 9 this season

perhaps you can complexify your query for teams back raod trips in B2B if they are playing their 4th game in 5 night like 14-15 x 17-18

im a little confused.

The spot the Kings were in @ GS was terrible with regards to it being a b2b on the road after a long road trip. Is this different than what you guys were discussing?
 
im a little confused.

The spot the Kings were in @ GS was terrible with regards to it being a b2b on the road after a long road trip. Is this different than what you guys were discussing?

nba, the new/latest set of stats I posted (post #6) shows that the best spot for teams playing in that b2b situation is when their opponent is also playing b2b, which GS was. Of course there's more elements in play than merely that (like the fact GS is the hottest team on the planet, and Sac had suffered a narrow defeat the night before), so it was always a matter of weighing up all factors to decide which should've been given more weight. I personally wouldn't get in the way of the Warriors until they've lost their first game (& of course they were never going to lose SU to Sac).
 
have you tried to split the B2B results into like 4/5 games road trip and 6+ road trip to see if there are any surprising sequences/results?:tiphat:
 
have you tried to split the B2B results into like 4/5 games road trip and 6+ road trip to see if there are any surprising sequences/results?:tiphat:

When I get the time, edou1x, I'll sort them all out. I have some incomplete stats (4/5+), and off longer trips teams had worse records (as one would expect).
 
BC, you missed a few mate:

Portland in 26.12 and Raptors on 18,01, Jazz 08.03, Blazers 08.03, Wolves 21.03, Blazers (again) 23.03, Magic 26.03.
 
have you tried to split the B2B results into like 4/5 games road trip and 6+ road trip to see if there are any surprising sequences/results?:tiphat:

Off 6+ games road trip, you got decent angle only on fading the Favorites in the first game, that cover only 40%. In the second game, it's only fading the road dogs that got decent record, since they cover only 35% of their games.
Interestingly in the second game in such cases, AF goes very well with O (both cover 65%) and AD goes very well with U (both below 38%).

http://killersports.com/nba/query?s...A+and+season>2007+and+AD&submit=++S+D+Q+L+!++
 
BC, you missed a few mate:

Portland in 26.12 and Raptors on 18,01, Jazz 08.03, Blazers 08.03, Wolves 21.03, Blazers (again) 23.03, Magic 26.03.

Thanks, divol. As far as Portland goes, reality says I missed going over their schedule completely (you might've also pointed out the fact I'd missed the 2 games off their Nov. road trip & the 2 games off their Dec. road trip). As for how I missed those other fixtures when I know I went over those teams' schedules (given their other instances off being off such trips were recorded), I'm at a loss.
 
i've found something very interesting concerning first game back off long road trips concerning O/U results:Teams off a 5+ games road trip, 1st game back@home on 0,1,2 day rest and total<200 are 62%U/O last 8 seasons (site streak<=-5 and H and rest in [0,1,2] and total<200 and 2007<=season)

with the jet lag on 1game back, perhaps teams are playing a quite slow pace cause they are lacking energy which leads to more under bias??:cheers3:
 
other nice spot to track: 1st game back for Teams off 5+ game road trip @home on B2B are 26.7%ATS and 0%ATS for 6+ trips (site streak<=-5 and HF and rest=0 and 2007<=season)

normally 2 teams will be in this spot this season: knicks on march 20th vs kings and clipps vs trailblazers on march 24th. hope knicks will be favored:shake:
 
well this road trip angle is getting more and more interesting. Talking about inertia,Teams off a 4 game road trip wins and more are 20%ATS in their 1st game back (streak>=4 and p:A and pp:A and ppp:A and pppp:A and ppppp:H and H and 2007<=season)
Teams off a 4 game road trip losses and more are 34%ATS in their first game back (streak<=-4 and p:A and pp:A and ppp:A and pppp:A and ppppp:H and H and 2007<=season)
sample is very small but with 76ers and warriors as one of best/worst teams in history, we might get more occurences:popcorn:
 
Teams off 6 game road trip,1st and 2nd game back are not interesting ATS. only perhaps for the B2B angle but for regular day rest it's 50% 2nd game and 47%1st game last ten seasons
 
What line did you use for Jan 29 OKC game vs Houston? I see a close of -8.5 which would make it a loss instead of the win you have logged.
 
A quick look tells me that at this point of the season:

teams playing opponents playing b2b have gone 15-7-1 ATS

teams not playing opponents playing b2b have gone 34-37-1 ATS

Haven't the time to split these between first & second games, but the general warning is obvious. Treat fading teams off road trips much more carefully if their opponent is playing b2b.
 
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