***National Championship--Clemson vs Alabama--Discussion***
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twinkie13
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I've never thought about this. Has it ever been done?
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Lareux
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You didn't think about it the other night in this thread (that you were in) when it was brought up and discussed?
Pretty sure it was also mentioned, when someone brought it up, that SF employed that tactic in a game this season.
Thanks man.
It was just a few weeks ago.
It was different though, somewhat. They had to punt the ball say 8 seconds or less so they went out and held everyone and then the punter took a safety.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
You're right, misread on my part. Different type of play for sure, but the similarity I guess is taking a penalty to your advantage instead of giving the other team an opportunity
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Pretty sure this was brought up a couple of months ago by someone just wondering if it could be done. If I'm not mistaken it was looked up and there was a rule against intentionally taking a penalty multiple times in a row. I can't remember what the penalty was, and I'm on my phone so not looking it up and trying to copy and paste. If someone wants to look it up, post what you find...
twinkie13
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Carolina Guy
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The clock was on 3/2 seconds when he caught the TD. An additional second or two ran off the clock. They'd adjusted the clock had he dropped the bAll. Further Alabama should have petitioned for more time on the clock.
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Lareux
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Were you?
Carolina Guy
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Clowncar brought it up at the end of the game and then most everyone was talking about it. You had to have read it as you were all around the discussion.
KJ
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M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
Sometimes winning with dignity is more important than winning. Danny Ford wouldn't have done that, nor his former coach. And I think we could say the same thing about Dabo and his former coach.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
You're thinking of an NFL rule:
Rule 12-3-2: The defense shall not commit successive or continued fouls to prevent a score. Penalty: For continuous fouls to prevent a score: If the violation is repeated after a warning, the score involved is awarded to the offensive team.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
Three seconds from 0:09 to 0:06.
RetroVK
This claim is disputed
Clemson was the better team the other night. They deserved to win. I am glad they won as a fan of the sport. I was glad to see Alabama lose to a team that was better than them and not some fluke. I was also glad that on some level, Saban's legacy is tarnished by this. Keep Lane another week and it is just a loss .. replacing him and then losing at least partly from bad play calling is damaging to his legacy.
That said, I don't see how tackling the receivers is any less dignified than intentionally picking a player for the game winning play.
Nothing undignified about either imo ... just saying.
That said, I don't see how tackling the receivers is any less dignified than intentionally picking a player for the game winning play.
Nothing undignified about either imo ... just saying.
RetroVK
This claim is disputed
Unless there was a warning after the unintentional penalty, the rule is moot, no?
Great rule though. And I didn't know it.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
You just never know when they might invoke NCAA Rule 9.2.3:
Rule 9-2-3 Unfair Acts
The following are unfair acts:
a. A team refuses to play within two minutes after ordered to do so by the referee.
b. A team repeatedly commits fouls for which penalties can be enforced only by halving the distance to its goal line.
c. An obviously unfair act not specifically covered by the rules occurs during the game (A.R. 4-2-1-II).
PENALTY—The referee may take any action he considers equitable, including assessing a penalty, awarding a score, or suspending or forfeiting the game.
They wouldn't have to do anything drastic; the rule could be invoked to just put time back on the clock.
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Thanks MW, I knew someone had posted it when it came up earlier this season. So I guess we knew it was a rule in the NFL, and now know it is in college as well (assuming the 2nd post was the college rule and not a separate NFL rule).
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
This jumps back and forth between pro and college, but here are some examples:
http://quirkyresearch.blogspot.com/2009/12/blogging-nfl-rule-book-palpably-unfair.html
http://quirkyresearch.blogspot.com/2009/12/blogging-nfl-rule-book-palpably-unfair.html
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gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
You think a college officiating crew would have that rule in their minds at the end of the national championship game? All that head ref was thinking was getting the game over so he could go blast some biceps in the gym
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
I don't think the play calling was any worse than the Washington game, when Lane was calling the shots. Lane finally caused a big enough mess that it influenced the team. Took 3 years, which is 2.9 years longer than anyone thought it would. But playcalling wasn't the problem for Alabama. Clemson playing so well was
takeit
THE Wife
I am not a Lane fan (and you know I was on Clemson), but you really don't know what would have happened in this game if Lane had still been calling it. They could have been up more and/or Bo may not have gotten hurt (this was huge). Yes, they could have lost by more as well - the point is we don't know, and that questioning is what "tarnishes" Sabans legacy (if you could even really argue that).
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
Everything I've heard indicates that Lane was a huge distraction in the locker room and the coaches' offices for the last couple of months. I doubt Saban wanted to make this decision, but had to as he perceived it to be what was best for the team. Ideally I think it would have happened after the SEC Champ game, but that's neither here nor there. Like I mentioned, the playcalling in the Washington game appeared to be just as bad. But to be honest, I'm not sure the plays called in either game were as poor as the execution by the offense. In both games, we had WR wide open, but Hurts either didn't see them, made a poor throw, or the OL didn't block well. It's easy to say that we should have just run Scarborough more, but Washington and Clemson have great defenses. They would have adjusted. And we still put up 31 points, with a TD drive in the last couple of minutes down by 4. Clemson simply made more plays. On both sides of the ball. I don't think this tarnishes Saban's legacy any other than he'll have to wait to have the first 15-0 season in the modern era, and he's no longer undefeated in championship games. But 5-1 in the natty and 7-1 in the SEC CG is still pretty good
Carolina Guy
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Bo got hurt and didn't come back in, but let us not forget his last 8/9 runs that totaled about 20 yards. Clemson had finally figured him out after getting punished in two great runs
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
Tigers head coach Dabo Swinney joined College Football Hall of Famer Bud Wilkinson as the only national champions as both a player and head coach.
With wins over Bama, FSU, Ohio State, and Auburn this year, Clemson beat the teams that had won the last 7 championships.
With wins over Bama, FSU, Ohio State, and Auburn this year, Clemson beat the teams that had won the last 7 championships.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
MW, it has been long assumed that Dabo would leave Clemson to coach Alabama if given the opportunity. For a long time, I'd say the majority of Alabama people have been completely against that prospect, but I think his success is becoming impossible to ignore. Do y'all think he would leave? I mean, he's pretty much a legend already at Clemson, and I don't see y'all dropping off much with the talent he's accumulating. I personally don't think it's a given Dabo would leave, even for Alabama. What's the consensus on y'all's end?
cubsker
Used to be "Fun Cub"
that's amazing.
ArizonaKid
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I would like to submit Darrell Royal to this list, he was the starting QB on the 1949 Sooners that went 11-0 versus the AP #1 Notre Dame and it's 10-0 record.
That nugget about the BC coach blows my mind.
MW I'm pretty sure you remember the 1981 Championship but I was wondering if Schrute was old enough to have any recollections of it ?
Congrats to both of you, nice to see 2 great posters here get to celebrate this...gps and CrimsonK have enough Titles to last them a lifetime lol.
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Carolina Guy
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Dwight would have been too young to remember the '81 title.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
I have no idea. It certainly wouldn't surprise me.
twinkie13
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yes
you want me to remember something from an ingame at midnight whilst i look on my phone?
not my kinda memory
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Lareux
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Lol, clearly. Yeah Twinkie it was a day or two earlier, you're acting as if it was a month and something obscure. We can just call you Goldie from now on and be done with it.
thanks man
twinkie13
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kid has a ways to go.....the defense covered up some offensive flaws all year
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Lareux
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If he told you, you likely wouldn't remember anyway.
cogenman
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