Lets talk NHL in the summer...
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So that definitely changed from the other day. Interesting.
I think lot of books will keep it...they need the money, most people overall lose on futures....jmo.
True. Unless a book has terrible exposure but I doubt they do in pucks at least.
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So they are gonna have the lottery, same odds as past few years, draw for spots 1,2,3
Bottom 7 teams arent involved in playoffs, so if one of them wins any of the picks, its theirs
The bottom 8 picks of lottery are for the 8 teams that lose the qualifying play in, so for the first draft their odds are essentially combined, its 24.5% for pick 1, it will change for picks 2 and 3 depending on who wins them
So if any of the 3 picks goes to the bottom 8, it gets saved for a 2nd lottery
If a 2nd lottery is needed, then after the qualification round is played another lottery will be done, all 8 teams get same odds at whatever is available
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These are the current odds, so detroit could move down to 4 possibly
1. Detroit Red Wings, .275, 18.5%
2. Ottawa Senators, .437, 13.5%
3. Ottawa Senators*, .437, 11.5%
4. Los Angeles Kings , 457, 9.5%
5. Anaheim Ducks, .472, 8.5%
6. New Jersey Devils, .493**, 7.5%
7. Buffalo Sabres, .493**, 6.5%
8. Team A , n/a, 6.0%
9. Team B, n/a, 5.0%
10. Team C, n/a, 3.5%
11. Team D, n/a, 3.0%
12. Team E, n/a, 2.5%
13. Team F, n/a, 2.0%
14. Team G, n/a, 1.5%
15. Team H, n/a, 1.0%
1. Detroit Red Wings, .275, 18.5%
2. Ottawa Senators, .437, 13.5%
3. Ottawa Senators*, .437, 11.5%
4. Los Angeles Kings , 457, 9.5%
5. Anaheim Ducks, .472, 8.5%
6. New Jersey Devils, .493**, 7.5%
7. Buffalo Sabres, .493**, 6.5%
8. Team A , n/a, 6.0%
9. Team B, n/a, 5.0%
10. Team C, n/a, 3.5%
11. Team D, n/a, 3.0%
12. Team E, n/a, 2.5%
13. Team F, n/a, 2.0%
14. Team G, n/a, 1.5%
15. Team H, n/a, 1.0%
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It seems super complicated way they explained but it makes sense
I'm guessing those leaks that had huge odds for top 3 teams from a few weeks ago caused a bunch of complaints around the league
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The july training camp is interesting, I think it has more to do with next season imo
Players can start working out at team facilities likely next week, they wont be forced but they can, so I don't think training camp will be longer than 2 weeks, means let's say
July 20 start
Playoffs is usually 8-9 weeks, add a week for the play in, that's a finish in early october most likely
Which would mean next season doesn't start till late december or january
I think they are doing that in the hope they can have fans in the stands for next season
Also I bet it takes 2 full seasons to get back to the october start, if that's what they do, but some teams have always wanted to start later anyway, I dont think we would see christmas like the nba may move too
But I could see a mid november start being the end game here by like the 2023 season, have season end in july instead of june
Players can start working out at team facilities likely next week, they wont be forced but they can, so I don't think training camp will be longer than 2 weeks, means let's say
July 20 start
Playoffs is usually 8-9 weeks, add a week for the play in, that's a finish in early october most likely
Which would mean next season doesn't start till late december or january
I think they are doing that in the hope they can have fans in the stands for next season
Also I bet it takes 2 full seasons to get back to the october start, if that's what they do, but some teams have always wanted to start later anyway, I dont think we would see christmas like the nba may move too
But I could see a mid november start being the end game here by like the 2023 season, have season end in july instead of june
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Either way, the plus for the sports world coming out of covid may be two fold
September this year could have
Stanley cup finals, nba finals, us open, ryder cup, opening months of cfb and nfl, and who knows with baseball
Going forward once things are back to normal, June-August could be very improved sports months for everyone, if stanley cup finals goes into july and nba finals start in august
September this year could have
Stanley cup finals, nba finals, us open, ryder cup, opening months of cfb and nfl, and who knows with baseball
Going forward once things are back to normal, June-August could be very improved sports months for everyone, if stanley cup finals goes into july and nba finals start in august
it's awesome, but at the same time i will be having a lot of FOMO from just sticking to football.
Gandolf
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It seems like it would be a wise business decision to rival 4-5 months of baseball and 2-3 of football than 3 months of baseball and 4 of football.
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Yep
Mlb would be the biggest loser in this, likely gaining two more competitors in summer months from nhl and nba
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I have to wonder, why a two hub system when Bettman says there are 9 cities that could be qualified to host games. Each hub is to have 8 team rounds in the preliminary and first rounds. I would assume that you're going to have series play every other day, so you're talking 4 games every 2 days, or two games a day at each hub. Are they playing a double header in the NHL arena or are they playing at multiple regulation rinks? What happens if there is an outbreak? Now what do you do with the rink? Are you potentially delaying four series instead of just one?
If you have a group of qualified cities, I'd considering using at least 4 hubs in the early rounds, 2 each for each conference. 1 game each night at each hub, leaving plenty of time to clean for the next night's game.
If you win your series, then yeah you might have to go to a different hub for the next round. But the travel element from one series to the next would seem to me to be one of the smallest worries.
If you have a group of qualified cities, I'd considering using at least 4 hubs in the early rounds, 2 each for each conference. 1 game each night at each hub, leaving plenty of time to clean for the next night's game.
If you win your series, then yeah you might have to go to a different hub for the next round. But the travel element from one series to the next would seem to me to be one of the smallest worries.
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Each rink has multiple dressing rooms
So they would have 4 available easily, wouldn't need to clean between games, just end of each day
They have said they wont stop for positive tests, now if a whole team tests positive who knows, but with everyone in same hotel, the chances are minimized
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I just can't bet enough on the Rangers if they play Carolina. Other than coaching the Rangers are the better team in every way.
Gandolf
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Hearing rumors in Pittsburgh that a hub will not be able to have their hometown team at that location. That could make the hub choices very simple. Or really complicated.
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That would be really dumb, especially if the teams are in hotels, not like they would let sid stay at his house
Theres no 'home ice' without fans
All that would do is piss off the hub cities team for no reason
Which means.... probably true
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Rangers +125 series. Give me the best player on the ice with Panarin, the far better goaltending, and overall better talent as well as the team that has dominated this matchup for years. The only thing that would give me pause is David Quinn who is probably the worst coach in the league matching up with Brindamour who is excellent.
Personally I would let the King start in goal but Shesterkin is very good and the Carolina goaltending is amongst the worst in the league. The Rangers sweep this series and this matchup is why Carolina voted against this playoff format.
Personally I would let the King start in goal but Shesterkin is very good and the Carolina goaltending is amongst the worst in the league. The Rangers sweep this series and this matchup is why Carolina voted against this playoff format.
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KY Derby too
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July 31 or aug 1
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Thank god best of 7 in playoffs
Also dont think the family stuff and too much time away will be much of an issue, 8 teams will be gone within 2 weeks of playing, another 8 after 1st playoff round in 2 weeks.
So after 4 weeks you have the final 4 in each conference, at which point the cup is in reach and wont be an issue for being away imo
Plus it sounds like the league is considering the entertainment and keep busy factor for the guys, I've heard renting out a golf course for whole days, theatres, etc.
Also dont think the family stuff and too much time away will be much of an issue, 8 teams will be gone within 2 weeks of playing, another 8 after 1st playoff round in 2 weeks.
So after 4 weeks you have the final 4 in each conference, at which point the cup is in reach and wont be an issue for being away imo
Plus it sounds like the league is considering the entertainment and keep busy factor for the guys, I've heard renting out a golf course for whole days, theatres, etc.
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Also plenty of people have said the 3 week training camp is crazy, most of these guys are already skating or working out informally
If camps start july 10, I've seen former players say 10 days max, 3 weeks is overkill, so if pa pushes for lower camp time, maybe we see games I'm 3rd or so week in July
If camps start july 10, I've seen former players say 10 days max, 3 weeks is overkill, so if pa pushes for lower camp time, maybe we see games I'm 3rd or so week in July
It shouldn't at all.
He'll be rid of the virus before camp even starts.
Test the rest and quarantine whoever needs it.
There are going to be positive tests. The protocols should be in place. These will be treated like an injury.
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Local reports saying he had it and is already over it. And is a player that is not residing in Pittsburgh currently.
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Its good that you realize that Brian Leetch is the greatest American player ever.
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Matthews
Kane
Lafontaine
Easy top 3
Hull goes with that group of you count guys who played for america
Kane
Lafontaine
Easy top 3
Hull goes with that group of you count guys who played for america
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Brian Leetch is the greatest American player and easily the best defenseman and Mike Richter is the greatest American goalie.
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Gonna be a hard no on Richter
I'd give leetch best d man, he has no one really to rival him besides chelios, Quinn hughes will be though down the line
I'd give leetch best d man, he has no one really to rival him besides chelios, Quinn hughes will be though down the line
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Hearing vegas is locked in as one of the cities
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Tsn guy saying he is hearing trudeau is gonna allow some kinda waiver on the 14 day thing for the nhl teams too
Nhl has always said they want 1 west and 1 east, so if I had to guess right now its Toronto and vegas
Also July 10 was confirmed for training camp start, really hoping they shorten training camp, 3 weeks is crazy, let's go 10-14 days max and start a week before nba
Nhl has always said they want 1 west and 1 east, so if I had to guess right now its Toronto and vegas
Also July 10 was confirmed for training camp start, really hoping they shorten training camp, 3 weeks is crazy, let's go 10-14 days max and start a week before nba
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Is there any reason why these training camps couldn't have been open by now with games starting the first week of July.
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Matthews? Seems a bit early to make that declaration no? Or is this an inside joke I’m missing?
I mean hell, Eichel is better than Matthews.
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Yes. The leftist narrative that has to be furthered no matter what.
Gandolf
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Not really. Once it was known the virus dies within a couple of days on surfaces they could've tested everyone, confirmed no cases or quarantined the positive testers, and resumed the season with no fans. That could've happened in early May in their own buildings. These hub plans are a bit over the top, especially when I keep hearing in Pittsburgh that the hub hosts will need to go to the other hub to play. Now you've guaranteed additional travel beyond just getting to the hubs. At some point teams will need to travel to the other hub to meet their next opponent. At that point we're not much better than having everyone play out of their own buildings, especially now that the NBA had ceded all arenas.
It's either extreme fear that's robbing these folks from using common sense, or greed (continued delays in the hopes of getting spectators into the stands). Could be a combination, fear from players, greed from owners.
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