Kentucky Derby PPs

[CPA-hole]

War of Will is lucky he didn't go down. MS definitely ducked out.

 

[pressitup]

challenges rarely upheld

 

[CPA-hole]

It's the Derby I don't think they do anything.

 

[Gandolf]

The thing about Country House is he ran his race....he moves into the money on the far turn then flattens in the stretch. Happened in all 3 of his stakes races.

If he comes down he'd be placed behind WoW

 

[Da Hoss]

in horse racing jockeys tend to "herd" other horses and gain an unfair advantage

 

[CHSGTMD]

drifted out a lot into at least two horses, then jammed a horse trying to get by on the inside too

 

[takeit]

cheating little jockey man

 

[CPA-hole]

War of Will nearly went down.

 

[Gandolf]

Billy Mott telling truths

 

[CHSGTMD]

lots of bettors sweating either side of this, not me as I picked 4th, 5th, 6th place trifecta perfectly lol

 

[takeit]

give it to 13

 

[pressitup]

really we have argue calls in everything?

one didnt have the legs

 

[takeit]

rename this the most exciting 15 minutes in sports. lol

 

[CPA-hole]

War of Will had so much horse through the the whole backside.

 

[takeit]

they need to shut their mouth about the "best horse in the race." if that's all that matters, why run the race? Just give it to the favorite.

 

[takeit]

War of Will had so much horse through the the whole backside.

Elaborate please

 

[Gandolf]

War of Will had so much horse through the the whole backside.

He was checking up behind Maximum Security, which tells you how slow they went mid-race.

 

[takeit]

He was checking up behind Maximum Security, which tells you how slow they went mid-race.

Wasn't that because MS cut into his lane

 

[takeit]

WOW

 

[Gandolf]

BOOM

 

[takeit]

65 to 1. nice

 

[Gandolf]

Wasn't that because MS cut into his lane

Not on the backstretch, they were both on the rail. Both horses looked like they had a lot left in the tank at that point.

 

[pressitup]

GFD

 

[Da Hoss]

Wow , cant believe the stewards had the cajones to put him back.

 

[Gandolf]

Saints fans are emailing the NFL office as we speak

 

[takeit]

for the horse guys... was that the right call? if this was a different race would he have been DQ'd?

 

[Gandolf]

for the horse guys... was that the right call? if this was a different race would he have been DQ'd?

Loaded question. It was probably the right call, there was a safety factor that came into play. Most races it wouldn't have taken that long to overturn. Some places though....you just don't know how the stewards will see it.

 

[Da Hoss]

yes, you can see the #1 War of Will have to check up, rider grab the reins to avoid an accident and caused a chain reaction with the horse behind him. All because the 7 beared out two paths ( judges allow a bit of bearing out as horses tire). So it doesnt matter whether the 20 Country House wouldve won or not but whether any horse was impeded that altered their order of finish which imo it did.

 

[pressitup]

all horses move out after the curve.

 

[pressitup]

If it's not muddy , I doubt that happens

 

[CHSGTMD]

think War of Will got the worst of that whole mess
He was making a strong move and was totally cut off

 

[Lloyd Braun]

for the horse guys... was that the right call? if this was a different race would he have been DQ'd?

Yes, I think it was the right call, Maximum Security moved out 2-3 lanes on Will of War and made contact with him and caused the jockey to check or pull up on the horse and cut off his momentum or he might have gone down. The interesting thing is the jockey of Country House who even by the trainer's admission was very minimally effected was the one who claimed foul. If he doesn't do that the don't look at it and it stands. Very smart move by Flavian Prat.

 

[pressitup]

Now they show a different view I hadn't seen before.
Definitely dicey. I just don't think it intentional , but I see more now.

unfortunate.

 

[Lloyd Braun]

think War of Will got the worst of that whole mess
He was making a strong move and was totally cut off

That's why Maximum Security was placed 8th behind War of Will

 

[Da Hoss]

Anyone got the whole order of finish?

 

[CPA-hole]

Here's my take.

It sucks Country House got put up because he had the whole length of the stretch to go by MS and couldn't

 

[Gandolf]

They showed it for about 5 seconds. Master Fencer was respectable, around 7th. Roadster and Spinoff basically matched their numbers.

 

[Lloyd Braun]

Here's my take.

It sucks Country House got put up because he had the whole length of the stretch to go by MS and couldn't

That is true too, I do think War of Will was moving well and might have passed all of them

 

[CPA-hole]

It wasn't Seaz' fault, the horse spooked. But IMO they made the right call. Didn't think they'd do that in the Derby. But he definitely impeded War of Wil and was lucky he didn't go down.

I don't like a lot of dqs. Horses aren't machines. The have quirks but I think he needed to come down.

 

[takeit]

was it the horse getting spooked or the jockey guiding him that way?

 

[CPA-hole]

He definitely cost War of Will a length or too.

 

[CPA-hole]

Elaborate please

When you see a horse running and he jockey is yanking on him, restraining him, because he has nowhere to run, he has a ton of horse.

 

[Da Hoss]

nah the crowd noise can affect them, horses naturally bear out off turns usually just not that much, couldve been spooked by something in infield. These horses are still reativey babies with few races under their belts.

 

[CPA-hole]

was it the horse getting spooked or the jockey guiding him that way?

Don't think he was guiding him. He definitely ducked out at the head of the lane at no fault to the rider.

 

[Lloyd Braun]

A lot going on there, going around the turn where momentum wants you to go out, a wet surface and the crowd noise starting to pick up can spook the horse. Saez known as a good jock, he wasn't guiding him out into traffic there

 

[Lloyd Braun]

A lot going on there, going around the turn where momentum wants you to go out, a wet surface and the crowd noise starting to pick up can spook the horse. Saez known as a good jock, he wasn't guiding him out into traffic there

They clip heels and Maximum Security could go down too

 

[CPA-hole]

Once they hit the head of the lane the crowd erupts, just think the horse shied from the crowd noise. Like I said they aren't machines. And normally I don't like taking the best horse down, but thought it was merited.

 

[CPA-hole]

So in the final order of finish they placed Maximum Security behind Long Range Toddy. From 1st to 17th.

 

[Teapot9]

Can someone breakdown what exactly happened for someone that only watches the triple crown races?

 

[CPA-hole]

Maximum Security won the race. The stewards called on inquiry, meaning they wanted to take a look. Also there was two rider objections, because they felt their horses were interfered with.

The race finished like this:
1) 7 Maximum Security
2) 20 Country House
3) 13 Code Of Honor
8) Tacticus

But after the inquiry, the stewards ruled Maximum Security caused a chain reaction of interfering with #1 War Of Will who then swerved into #18 Long Range Toddy costing both of them placings in the race.