rambler882
Head of the Justin Fields Fan Club
Healthy Tua the factor in it all. Hes never really been healthy. If he goes now, he will be top 10. A desperate team will bite
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gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
I’m sure we can find an insurance agent around here that’s willing to count him as a top 15 pick for loss of value
hard to know what TUA is thinking.
both ankles surgically repaired. surgery on one of his hips. so there have been 2 moderate ankle injuries and one major injury to the hip.
if it was only one moderate or major injury, then leaving now would make tremendous sense because the stock of a player is still very high after just one injury (depending on degree).
but if he gets injured a fourth time at Bama he runs the risk of being flagged as "seriously injury prone" and then the stock plummets into perhaps the 2nd or 3rd round.
if it were me I think i leave. If it were my son I would advise him to leave.
coming back to try and get a 'chip can easily cost him 8 digits if that body of his gets injured yet again. he is not exactly a big sturdy guy.
both ankles surgically repaired. surgery on one of his hips. so there have been 2 moderate ankle injuries and one major injury to the hip.
if it was only one moderate or major injury, then leaving now would make tremendous sense because the stock of a player is still very high after just one injury (depending on degree).
but if he gets injured a fourth time at Bama he runs the risk of being flagged as "seriously injury prone" and then the stock plummets into perhaps the 2nd or 3rd round.
if it were me I think i leave. If it were my son I would advise him to leave.
coming back to try and get a 'chip can easily cost him 8 digits if that body of his gets injured yet again. he is not exactly a big sturdy guy.
absolutely. it's just like an appraisal on a house. he'll be provided an estimated draft choice number and the policy will be written based on that.
he is absolutely a top 15 pick right now. no question about it.
booksbestfriend
On Johnny's Shitlist
Wash QB, Ore QBs, Jalen. None would go above an injured Tua.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
Some team will fall in love with Herbert and will trade up to get him in the top 5. While I think draft position is a concern for Tua, I think he wants to come back for himself more than improving his draft stock. Probably not the best decision from a financial standpoint, but if he plays like he normally does and stays healthy, he's locked into a top 5 next year IMO
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
Definitely more top heavy with Lawrence and Fields most likely. Not sure who the names are after that, I guess Fromm if he decides to return
oh yes, eason and herbert, i completely forgot about those guys. herbert is going to get a lot of interest from the NFL due to size and arm strength
Bushleague
sharp as a butter knife
Bucky RB Thomas declares
Yup, I totally expect this to happen. I hope that a certain franchise at the 3 spot gets a bunch of picks for the team that really wants him.
That’s also the argument why he should leave...he hasn’t shown any ability to stay healthy. No horse in the race, I find it a fascinating story moreso
If he goes and who (and when) someone wants to take a gamble on him.
Don’t think anyone has said a bad word about him as a person or as a leader (huge positive) And if you question this kid’s toughness you simply are a moron.
Very interested to see what he decides.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
His health is definitely the top concern. As tough as he is, he seems to get hurt more than normal. Some of the hits Mac Jones took against AU and Michigan would definitely put Tua in the tent. Not sure if it's just been bad luck, or it's going to dog him his whole career. If you go back and watch the title game against UGA, he took some shots and even lowered his shoulder on a few runs and got right back up. Maybe the effect of a whole season takes it toll on him more than others?
Very well could be the whole season affects his body moreso. I think the biggest problem (whether Tua stays or goes), that both he and Burrow are going to have is that the level of WR that both were playing with this year is INSANE compared to the WR skill-level and D coverages they’re going to see at the next level. I think both have the chance to be good pros because of their accuracy, but my Lord, how many stud wide outs could 2 QBs get at the college level. In the Sunday league they’re in for a huge awakening how different it’s going to be.
Yes. The wr's they throw to in the NFL won't have the separation they see now so the margin of error much slimmer on each throw. Tight ass windows in the pro game.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
If you think Tua is only accurate because his WR are open, you haven't been watching. His accuracy (especially on long throws), anticipation, and release are elite. Sure he has one of the greatest collection of WR ever, but they benefit from Tua as much or more as he benefits from them. I have less confidence in Burrow mainly because I haven't watched him as much, and when I have, it appears to me that his greatest strength is his complete mastery of the offense and always making the right throw. That's not a knock on him, he's truly elite, I just haven't seen him make as many throws into those tight windows
Yup, it was expected.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
I think he freaking crazy. Don’t see anything he can do that would get him taken ahead of Lawrence? Prob be in his best interest to drop a little in this draft and potentially go to a decent team with solid coach and ability to pass protect.
Honestly if I was bungals and my dr’s gave the ok I would take a shot on Tua. I think his upside is way better than burrow, it just those pesky injuries. Thing Is you can roll the dice and take him (if he was in draft obviously) if it appears he never be the same you suck again and get Lawrence who the biggest lock of any these kids in next 2 drafts imo. Or take the best defensive player and tank one more year for Lawrence.
I don’t hate burrow even if it might appear that way. I would feel way better with him than baker (I ripped baker as a 1 pick a ton!). I’m just not convinced burrow is a turn a crap franchise around type talent (few are). I think he could be very much like cousins minus the big game choking. Give him a good coach and supporting cast and i think he would be just fine. Put him on awful team and throw him into starter roll and could ruin him.
number2
Pretty much a regular
Tua to the NFL
Prolly watched Bryce Young on Saturday and feared for his job
Mac jones gotta be happiest dude.......hope books adjust Alabama TT next year......
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
I think he ultimately made the right decision. Heard he was all set to come back until they visited with the DR in NY. Prognosis is really positive, and the family (ie, his dad) made the call to declare. As long as his rehab doesn't hit a snag, I bet he still goes top 10.
booksbestfriend
On Johnny's Shitlist
They should, as the WR corp will be pretty much gone too.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
Smith and Waddle are back.
braves
Pretty much a regular
2daBank
Voice of Reason
If I need a qb he the one I would take 1st.
if the rehab does not hit a snag he is likely TOP 5 !!
booksbestfriend
On Johnny's Shitlist
I'll defer to you on this. Thought Smith would be gone too.
booksbestfriend
On Johnny's Shitlist
Hopefully, he'll go to a team willing to put him on a PUP list and learn how to be a pro while he continues to strengthen that hip.
pressitup
Leader of the Adult Humor Industry
this is what fans say when they go in the other room and choke a teddy bear.
pressitup
Leader of the Adult Humor Industry
But will probably last two years like RGIII before injury puts him out.
Better than getting beat up in college.
Get that guaranteed money.
pressitup
Leader of the Adult Humor Industry
just teasing ya big guy
but you said that
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
Tua told people he was coming back last week.
That's actually the complete opposite of what he's doing
. He's returning.for a kid who seems smart, sensible, and mature, that's pretty stupid to be telling people he's coming back when it was clear that it least from the family standpoint, they were going to wait until they spoke to the doctors regarding the hip healing progress before they made any decisions.
i live thousands of miles away and have never met the kid nor the family but if i was standing right in front of him when he said he was coming back, i would have replied "not if the doctors give you a good report, you're not".
shame on the people who believed him. i would tell those people to not be so gullible LOL
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
I'm just saying that there was really good reason to believe he was coming back. He is the best source possible on that front. There were several who cautioned that it wouldn't be final until Jan 20th, but I don't think you can call people who thought he was coming back gullible.
Interestingly, Najee Harris received a "go back to school" grade from the draft advisory board. I wonder if he'll still go. He was phenomenal the last half of the season.
twinkie13
In transit, arriving late.
Misread it. Great get for IUThat's actually the complete opposite of what he's doing
i would have told you the opposite. i think i did earlier in the thread. if bama fans take the crimson and cream goggles off and tell me some good reason(s) to stay besides wanting to spend another year in college, I'd love to hear them. he already won a chip when he came in and saved the day two years ago. already put up crazy stats. already solidified himself as a top pick in the draft.
the only football/financial reason to stay one more year would have been if there were complications post hip surgery or on one or both of the ankles, and he needed the senior year to prove he has overcome the injuries and is not overly injury-prone.
other than that, there was simply no reason to stay, and that's why he is gone. he is a great kid and the family seems good too but they have a fiduciary responsibility to their child to protect his future interests and the risk of coming back and getting hurt again FAR OUTWEIGHED the upside of leaving now and getting picked early first round.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
So if someone tells you they are going to do something, but you think it's the wrong thing, you don't believe them?
who did he tell? some chick in journalism class?
maybe he was testing people to see who he could trust. maybe he's playing chess while others are playing checkers.
let's say you have four friends and you told them all the same thing and the secret got out, do you know how to find out who the culprit is?
you tell the same four people completely different things, then you see which secret gets out and then boom, you have your guilty person.
maybe Tua was trying to see who can keep their mouths shut and who cannot.
do i believe he really thought he was going to stay? No i don't. sorry. not buying it.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
A couple of his teammates. Trying to get them to stay too. Then he went to Dr, family decided it was better to leave. Most level-headed fans knew not to buy into him returning until he actually did, but there was real reason for optimism that he was coming back, and it came from Tua himself. I think he made the right decision
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
That's wrong, but a moot point now
