Friday Openers and discussion

[phatprep3]

can anyone post the current lines? i'm at work and it won't let me get to bookmaker.

 

[Scorpion]

What do you think about over 210 in the orlando game? i really really like it.

 

[Marlo]

can anyone post the current lines? i'm at work and it won't let me get to bookmaker.

<TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#800000 height=20><TD width=225>Friday, December 12, 2008</TD><TD width=75 bgColor=#ffffff>Game/2ndH</TD><TD align=middle width=55>1stH</TD><TD align=middle width=55>1stQ</TD><TD align=middle width=55>2ndQ</TD><TD align=middle width=55>3rdQ</TD><TD align=middle width=55>4thQ</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#003366 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>#</TD><TD width=200>Team Name </TD><TD align=right width=95>Spread </TD><TD align=middle width=95>Total</TD><TD align=middle width=55>MoneyLn</TD><TD align=right width=85>T1 Total </TD><TD align=right width=85>T2 Total </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>7:35 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>701</TD><TD width=180>Atlanta Hawks</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>702</TD><TD width=180>Miami Heat</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-2½</TD><TD align=middle width=85>194½</TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>7:35 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>705</TD><TD width=180>Toronto Raptors</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>706</TD><TD width=180>New Jersey Nets</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-3</TD><TD align=middle width=85>207</TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>8:05 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>707</TD><TD width=180>Chicago Bulls</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-2</TD><TD align=middle width=85>202</TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>708</TD><TD width=180>Memphis Grizzlies</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>8:05 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>709</TD><TD width=180>San Antonio Spurs</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-7</TD><TD align=middle width=85>190½</TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>710</TD><TD width=180>Minnesota Timberwolves</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>8:05 pm (ESPN) </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>711</TD><TD width=180>New Orleans Hornets</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>712</TD><TD width=180>Boston Celtics</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-6½</TD><TD align=middle width=85>189</TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>8:05 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>713</TD><TD width=180>Indiana Pacers</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>714</TD><TD width=180>Detroit Pistons</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-7</TD><TD align=middle width=85>200</TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>10:05 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>717</TD><TD width=180>Los Angeles Clippers</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>718</TD><TD width=180>Portland Trailblazers</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-9½</TD><TD align=middle width=85>187½</TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>10:35 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>719</TD><TD width=180>Sacramento Kings</TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD align=middle width=85> </TD><TD width=45> </TD><TD width=85> </TD><TD width=85> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>720</TD><TD width=180>Los Angeles Lakers</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-16½</TD><TD align=middle width=85>215</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[tuck321]

No real idea on that total right now. Suns are moving in a clear over direction. No issue about that. Problem is Orlando. Orlando in first game of a b-b is 13-5 under and this year is 4-0 under in the spot.

 

[Scorpion]

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/richardson-deal-means-suns-reworking-style-again-182366.html

Shaq is not playing.....so no reason for the suns to not run the floor today.....


I just don t see how can this game go under...



One reff is 12-5......on is 9-7....and the oter one i really hate...is 2-12

 

[Mr. McIlhon]

The CLE # is 10.5

 

[Mr. McIlhon]

Hard to bet against LB right now but I like PHI.

 

[phatprep3]

thanks alot marlo

 

[SF_capper]

Big Z is out for Cleveland and in the 1st game of the h2h once he went out it seemed philly got some life

Likely only play for me today is NJ- I see value for NJ -3, not toronto. add in the situation for NJ (off an embarassing loss, read an article of them trying to right the ship of losing at home before mini roadie, and toronto off their first win with the coach) I like it

other toughts are:
like the spot to fade Portland, but line is too low. the value is gone imo

if Atlanta wants this game, they can take it. question is whether or not they want it much

Can sum1 sell me on Boston? I'm itching there but cant pull the trigger

 

[SportsNut]

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7:35P
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55%
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26%
</TD><TD id=parlaypct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>39%
61%
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36%
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-3-110
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-3-105
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-2.5-110
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7:35P
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75%
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98%
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79%
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28%
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-11-110
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-10.5-110
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7:35P
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75%
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58%
</TD><TD id=parlaypct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>39%
61%
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38%
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-2.5-102/+101
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</TD></TR><TR id=e149240 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e2e2e2" onclick="testHit('e149240', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>http://www.sportsinsights.com/live-odds.aspx#
</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/12
8:05P
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91%
</TD><TD id=parlaypct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>38%
62%
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22%
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-6.5-106
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</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>189 -110
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8:05P
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</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/12
8:05P
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30%
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34%
</TD><TD id=parlaypct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>80%
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199.5 -110
</TD></TR><TR id=e149237 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onclick="testHit('e149237', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>http://www.sportsinsights.com/live-odds.aspx#
</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/12
8:05P
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5%
</TD><TD id=parlaypct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>91%
9%
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56%
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9:05P
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49%
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50%
</TD><TD id=parlaypct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>55%
45%
</TD><TD id=oupct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>68%
32%
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</TD><TD class=open id=sb12_0 width=60>1.5+100
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209o-115
</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>1.5-110
210 -110
</TD></TR><TR id=e149249 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onclick="testHit('e149249', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>http://www.sportsinsights.com/live-odds.aspx#
</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/12
10:05P
</TD><TD id=team width=135>717 Los Angeles Clippers
718 Portland Trail Blazers
</TD><TD id=bets width=45>2788
</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>43%
57%
</TD><TD id=mlpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>5%
95%
</TD><TD id=parlaypct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>17%
83%
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PhatPrep - Thats basically all the major books and its the Sports Insights layout....

7:35 :

-Tuck and I both put forth our logic behind the Raps and Nets . He hs the Nets as a strong play I believe and Like Toronto but more of a medium play for me . Played some Tor earlier at +3.5 -120 but going to wait before I keep it . Would say if I do its a play at +3 -120 or better . The NBA is a fuckd up a sport where every 1/2 counts and I do buy a lot of halves so thats my explanation ...still leaning TT Under 104 ish ...

-Will be on Philly and have sadly faded CLE last 2 x they played but Philly just missed by 1 pt . They actually had the ball down 8 and missed . Anyway it was the 3rd Q which was amazingly lopsided .. Gibby was out and now Z with injuries usually being the best way to slow down a hot team IMO . Mostly because they are playing so well usually the lines dont reflect the absences.

-Lean Atlanta because they havent played poorly but can get a win and schedule is rough. Past history not good in Miami and Miami is rested as well . So nothing more then a lean

8:05 :
- Boston and NO have no idea to be honest. Both teams off impressive games with Celts playing B2B ...

- Really the same for Indy and Det but lean Pistons ....total is crazy have to read Tucks and BAR's thoughts to be honest because on the surface 200 is wasy tohigh for this game IMO. Has to be a reason and I dont know it to be honest

- See we dipped below 200 on the total for the Bulls game interested in that over . No side opinion yet ..

- Looking at Minnesota 1st H and Game . Team has played better but the opponents have been tough . Looking ofr McHale's 1st WIN still. Over as well??

9:05
- I liked how the Suns showed @ LA and thinking about taking them off the ORL miracle win @ Portland to start this trip . Not only did the Suns pull off a nice deal which IMO should help both teams because JRich was somewhat shackled in Charlotte under Brown , they have the game to day and one on Xmas day but just 3 inbewteen so lots of practice team .....Shaq is out , not sure about JRich but dont miss Dwight Howard battling an oblique issue which reportedly gave him some trouble on Tuesday but that was 3 days ago

West Coast
-Faded Portland yesterday and expected a tad worse effort then I saw . Still leaning towards LAC here . The travel schedule for Portland is the key .

-Not a fan of GSW they exploded vs Milw in the 4th Q and Ret said the entire game they looked tired and flat . Sure appears that way in the boxscore looking at the 4th Q beatdown . I dont know honestly but on some level they probably did at least tire themselves out playing form behind all evening then putting a huge run together only to start the 4th Q ice cold and watch GSW pull away quick then turn into a blowout ...So Houston or pass but healthy players ??Maggs ? Steph Jax returned , Crawford missed the 4th Q , Randolph less then 100% and Artest is OUT , TMac questionable

-Pounded the Kings the other Day vs LAL . Like them again here not the same value though by any stretch . LAL just 2-7 ATS laying DDs outside off games vs LAC who they share a home court with . Its just something I dont weigh because of the odd situational aspect of it ...

Nothing much yet to go off . Have to do some real research shortly ....Just some ideas and leans ...:cheers:

 

[SF_capper]

G: SN

regarding the Cleveland line, I think the line more than adjusted for Z being out. -6.5 @ Philly now only -10.5 @ home? Yes, the situation of a home and home might be taken acct in the line, but you'd think they still would inflate these cleveland lines while they're hot

 

[SF_capper]

also, if any1 uses/has thoughts on power ratings, please share them in the thread I started in talkin shop forum

 

[SF_capper]

1 game that should be interesting 2m is Denver -DD over GS

will be GS 6/9
Denver/GS is usually a matchup that GS loves. running n gunning, but 2 days rest added in with GS off what should be a close game tonight then gotta travel to altitude

 

[SportsNut]

Think Joe and J are right about the Grizz tomorrow. Bulls are bad in first game of a b-b. Bad on 2 days rest. Bad at the Grizz and bad on the road and they have covered 3 spreads in their last 10 games. Bet half a unit plus the points will come back ml tomorrow for the rest.
Joe might be right about Minn too. I am not convinced Parker is healthy. I know the Spurs are younger now and a great team but they have had trouble there in the past and they have to be running on close to fumes.
Not going to matter Sammy. Nut is going to bet on 5-15 last 20 on the road Toronto because of all that value. See the Spread matters a lot since the Nets have failed to cover in the games they have won----0 times. This season Toronto has beaten Atlanta and Miami 2 team that are over 500. I doubt that Miami will end over 500 but Atlanta may. I think the Nets will.

The reason I dont like NJN is because I think they are playing above their heads at the moment . I could be wrong its just my opinion . NJ was severeIy undervalued in most of the Friday and front end B2Bs games we mentioned where their record was great. The only twist I have on the info you use is the defining part was the spread . Winning as home dogs is not the samething aswinning as favs even small 1 possession favs. Never said Tor was a good team by any stretch or their was tremndous value in the line( I do think PK to -1.5 was more correct then -3 /-3.5 opener) . I just think after getting the 1st win they can relax a bit now . Look at Tor season all bad losses margin wise vs good teams .Plus its a new day in Tor with a new coach for me I dont weigh what happened previously to much because of the fresh start .

I never said you play was wrong or your idea was wrong . I simply dont agree with the weight of the angles you quoted .

To me I go back to the Knick game is disturbing . You can claim the knicks have payabck and it means more to them but look at the rosters if thats your arguement . Take away Vince and all of NJ guys are fresh faces basically : Harris , Yi , Simmons , Lopez , Hayes and nearly the same for NYK. So NY won SU but doesnt mean your logic was correct it just happened to play that way .

<LI class=more>Raptors are 5-11 ATS in their last 16 games as an underdog of 0.5-4.5. <LI class=more>Raptors are 7-19 ATS in their last 26 games following a S.U. win. <LI class=more>Raptors are 7-20 ATS in their last 27 games following a ATS win. <LI class=more>Raptors are 5-16 ATS in their last 21 Friday games. <LI class=more>Raptors are 2-7 ATS in their last 9 games overall. <LI class=more>Raptors are 7-26 ATS in their last 33 games playing on 1 days rest. <LI class=morecool>Raptors are 1-4 ATS in their last 5 games as a road underdog. <LI class=morecool>Raptors are 1-4 ATS in their last 5 games as an underdog. <LI class=morecool>Raptors are 1-4 ATS in their last 5 road games. <LI class=morecool>Raptors are 3-14 ATS in their last 17 games following a SU win of more than 10 points.

<LI class=morehot>Nets are 4-0 ATS in their last 4 Friday games. <LI class=morehot>Nets are 4-0 ATS in their last 4 games following a S.U. loss. <LI class=morehot>Nets are 6-0-1 ATS in their last 7 games following a double-digit loss at home. <LI class=morehot>Nets are 6-0 ATS in their last 6 games following a ATS loss. <LI class=morehot>Nets are 11-1 ATS in their last 12 games following a SU loss of more than 10 points.
Home dominanted series as well and Tor hasnt won in NJ in awhile either ....

Raps Losses L10 games :
@ Cle by 20
vs Portland by 1
@ Utah by 27
@ Denver by 39
@ LAL by 13 but was worse
vs Boston by 15
vs NJN in double OT by 2 pts.

Which this game was the Vince Carter show as NJ rallied from 18 down in the 3rd Quarter , saw Vince Tie it on a 3 pter in the end of regulation , and Vince win it on a dunk.....

Just for a side note O'neal ws hurt 30 seconds into the 4th Quarter of this game and you can see the Ras play seriously diminish from this point on and coupled with the fact they played good teams and on the road.

Andrea Bargnani scored a career-high 29 points and had 10 rebounds for Toronto, but missed a pair of 3-pointers in the final 30 seconds of overtime. He called it the toughest loss of his career.
"I don't even know what to say, I'm so upset," Bargnani said. "It's unbelievable. We were winning, we had the game under control, we made a couple of stupid mistakes."

O'Neal fell backward when Williams tugged on the bottom of O'Neal's jersey as he was going up for a shot. O'Neal landed awkwardly, clutching at his left thigh, above a brace he wears on the knee.
"He's an All-Star, he's proven," Carter said. "He clogs up the lane on the defensive end. He's a big loss."

Previous away games remember Calderon was absent for a few games as well)
@ Miami won SU(+4 at half)
@Orl lost by 13 tied at half
@Boston lost by 7 but ATS win +8.5 , (+12 at half)
@ Charlotte won by 10 as road chalk ,trailed at half
@ ATL lost by 18 as +2 ,trailed at half- recall everyone loving Raps here as well
@Milw won by 4 as +1 (+2 at half)
@ Philly won by 11 as +4 (+6 at half)

So as dog they are 5-1 ATS at half and 0-1 as road favs .......

Interested in Toronto 1st Half as well .

I see Toronto as being highly motivated here vs NJ because of how the last game played out bewteen the huge lead lost and O'Neal being hurt because he was pulled down by his jersey. To me thats incentive . I also think pre-injury and vs the weaker competition TOR played solid on the road it wasnt till the West and O'Neal injury which probably destroyed any interior presence they had that the games got ugly . I am not a fan of O'Neal but obviously his presence meant something when looking at points allowed .

NJ has 2 huge assets in Devin Harris and VC vs the Raps who dont matchup well with those two. However the rest of NJ needs to contribute especially since even Harris said we sort of just sat back and watched VC go off last time . Could be bad if thats NJ mentality again here just waiting for VC to turn it on which by the way his game vs CLE was terrible and his answer for the reason why he went OFF @ Tor . Harris started fast and faded vs NYK and VC has 4 straight now with 18 pts or less...

Nets are struggling to cover Forwards who can hit jumpers . Look at Bosh and Bargnani in teh 1st meeting going for 71 pts . Look @ th e NYK trio of Chandler , Harrington and Tim Thomas went 29-45 for 89 points! Plus Moon can do somethings as he makes it even tougher on NJ .

NJ allows 104 pts at home , 44 % 3pt , and 47.3 % FG which is worse the what Tor allows on the road which includes that stretch where they were get smoked. Around 102 (102.2)pts , 47% shooting , and 37% shooting from 3.....NJ defense is just as bad as NYK really well its 2nd worst in the East .....

You said NJ has ZERO wins they dont cover the spread in okay thats because they have been favored a whole 5 x times this season in 20 games !!

vs GSW -4.5 lost SU
vs LAC -3.5 won big (off theOT win @ Tor maybe momentum vs LAC playing 3rd roadie on the East in 4 daysoff a couple good games)
vs Wash -6.5 lost SU big off the successful Western trip
vs Minny -7 won big and I agree a bounce back spot but vs a team who was floundering and since fired its coach
vs NYK -7.5 lost SU playing on 3 days rest and vs NYK shorthanded on B2B allowed 121 pts on 51% fg but key was NY 32-35 FTs ! NJ 10-17 at the line so NYK wins by 12 and +22 at the line....

Since returning home smoked vs Wash sort of a team like Tor with less talent though , smoked the Wolves probably the 2nd worst team out West , and got beat at home by the Knicks as big favs and vs the worse defensive team in the league playing 6 guys okay JJ is back 7 guys .

So 4-5 at home winning vs DET as 8 pt dogs in AI 1st game , +4 vs ATL when Hawks played 3rd in 4 and front end of home and home w/o Josh Smith , beat the Clippers playing a 3 in 4 road spot on the East who had won @ OKC ,lost a tough 1 pt game @ Philly the night before as well sort of the opposite spectrum of NJ coming off a HUGE 2nd H rally and OT win , and smoked the Wolves off a SU loss to Wash which even LAC won by 23 @ Minny recently . Not to mention i s 4-17 owns 2 two pt wins vs shorthanded Sac in the opener and @ OKC plus a fatigued Det team (and the Sixers at home )......

So I have a lot of reasons why I like Tor here and naturally its a guessing game they are turning the corner now. If I am wrong I will say so but NJ just doesnt impress me and while the number is short they are favored for just the 6th time this year . With Tor being better then GSW , LAC, Minny , Wash and NYK IMO ...which -7.5 was the highest chalk line they had or 4 /4.5 pts off this one:cheers:

 

[SportsNut]

:shake:

G: SN

regarding the Cleveland line, I think the line more than adjusted for Z being out. -6.5 @ Philly now only -10.5 @ home? Yes, the situation of a home and home might be taken acct in the line, but you'd think they still would inflate these cleveland lines while they're hot

I think what happens when ELITE teams and CLE is now in that category at least at the moment you have to be careful looking at the road spreads. They lay lofty road chalk because the IMPLIED value of Home COURT is not factored in . There is no scientific way to make a line so we IMPLY the 3.5 to 4 pts for Home Court . When these teams get hot LAL , Boston , Cle they lay bigger then expected numbers because they are playing so well its lined like a neutral court game . Thats why LA and Boston can lay -10 and it makes sense cause the value arguement is thrown out the window . NBA games are usually decided by 6-8 points so theoritically if we expect Boston to win then they should do so by 7 pts now if they play a tad better then expected and the opponent a tad worse that typical 6-8 pt win becomes 10-13 pts .....

So lines are a tool more then anything else . Which is something you already know but the reason why systems fail IMO is they dont know how to adjust for scenarios this or other oddsmakers scenarios where they are changing the rules in a sense

So when we switch HC designation from the the road venue really all you do is add the Home teams factor in . Lets give CLE -5 for HC now . So that -6.5 that they won by 8 pts become -11.5 IMO . Now also ask we are 20 games deep into the season CAvs are insane and Philly is under acheiving where would this line be if it was set in the Preseason ? With a healthy CLE think at most it would be -6.5 ...w/o Z and Gibby maybe -5 or -5.5 the highest

So seeing -10.5 still presents alot of value iMO . The problem with this is HOT teams defy logic and Cavs are HOT .....

In that sense I feel the Cavs line is still artificially high and the absence of key contributors will eventually lessen the overallplay of the team ....
:cheers:

 

[SportsNut]

also, if any1 uses/has thoughts on power ratings, please share them in the thread I started in talkin shop forum

You dont need Power Ratings in Pro Sports . Just pay attention to how teams are lined vs how they are playing . You will get a great feel for what to expect from the oddmaker. If there is a wide difference then either they have adjusted something you may have overlooked or you have the overadjusting to met public perception .....

I think in the pro sports doing what Brewers 7 and probably Tuck does is much more useful in terms of research .....

 

[SF_capper]

:shake:

I think what happens when ELITE teams and CLE is now in that category at least at the moment you have to be careful looking at the road spreads. They lay lofty road chalk because the IMPLIED value of Home COURT is not factored in . There is no scientific way to make a line so we IMPLY the 3.5 to 4 pts for Home Court . When these teams get hot LAL , Boston , Cle they lay bigger then expected numbers because they are playing so well its lined like a neutral court game . Thats why LA and Boston can lay -10 and it makes sense cause the value arguement is thrown out the window . NBA games are usually decided by 6-8 points so theoritically if we expect Boston to win then they should do so by 7 pts now if they play a tad better then expected and the opponent a tad worse that typical 6-8 pt win becomes 10-13 pts .....

So lines are a tool more then anything else . Which is something you already know but the reason why systems fail IMO is they dont know how to adjust for scenarios this or other oddsmakers scenarios where they are changing the rules in a sense

So when we switch HC designation from the the road venue really all you do is add the Home teams factor in . Lets give CLE -5 for HC now . So that -6.5 that they won by 8 pts become -11.5 IMO . Now also ask we are 20 games deep into the season CAvs are insane and Philly is under acheiving where would this line be if it was set in the Preseason ? With a healthy CLE think at most it would be -6.5 ...w/o Z and Gibby maybe -5 or -5.5 the highest

So seeing -10.5 still presents alot of value iMO . The problem with this is HOT teams defy logic and Cavs are HOT .....

In that sense I feel the Cavs line is still artificially high and the absence of key contributors will eventually lessen the overallplay of the team ....
:cheers:

good points and I am still thinkin of playin philly

however, I disagree with the point of : Now also ask we are 20 games deep into the season CAvs are insane and Philly is under acheiving where would this line be if it was set in the Preseason ? With a healthy CLE think at most it would be -6.5 ...w/o Z and Gibby maybe -5 or -5.5 the highest

So seeing -10.5 still presents alot of value iMO . The problem with this is HOT teams defy logic and Cavs are HOT .....

although i would agree preseason, the line would be 5/5.5, but with 20 games into the season the line HAS to adjust to teams playing. Cleveland may/may not be overachieving: as my definition of overachieveing is winning/winning bigger than they will on average- thus maybe gettin a bit lucky. At what point does a team that's 'overachieving' by continuously rolling teams stop overachiieving and we can just call it doing what's expected? don't know if that made sense, but yea. same with Philly, its possible that they are not underachieving and just suck. if by the end of the season- philly doesn't make the playoffs, do we say they unnderachieved, or just were over-rated.

I think the line should reflect how the 2 teams are playing at the moment then adjusted for situations/matchups/perception. and for this game of Philly @ Cleveland, the line is right/even short considering how the two teams have been playing

cleveland has been rolling lesser competition which exactly is what philly is at this point. Philly can turn it around and play up to their potential, but expecting it is unreasonable. 20 games into the season, we've learned that Philly is a good rebounding team with no shooting ability and seemingly a lost identity. Last yr they were a run n gun team which was esp useful since they could rebound. now, with the acquisition of brand they are trying unsuccessfully to play a more traditional offense. Against cleveland, their rebounding edge is gone leaving them with little edge matchup wise. you gotta believe lrbon takes it personally the way AI lit him up and outperformed him, and maybe cleveland players step up for the loss of Z

not playin it much, and would actually lean Philly based solely on fading the public cleveland and taking the losing team on a b2b, just wanted to get more discussion. BOL nut, appreciate your thoughts

 

[SF_capper]

as far as NJ, I think Toronto may be playing with revenge, but considering these games are essentially practice to them, I don't think the motivation will help them much. We have essentially have NJ playing a nice system off a loss vs Toronto which is still trying to figure themselves out.

from an article I was reading:

The Nets have the fire and urgency on the road. They score more, give up fewer points, allow a lower shooting percentage and are 7-3.
Vince Carter has no explanation for these Jekyll-and-Hyde tendencies, but knows they have to change.
"We’ve got to find a way if we want to be a playoff team and be who we want to be," he said. "We have to win at home."
After tonight, the Nets have a two-game road trip and then a four-game homestand. Maybe if they establish themselves at home they’ll get more support.
"Some games have been great and other games haven’t been as great," Harris said. "We have to do a better job getting them more involved in the game with our play."
BRIEFS: Stromile Swift (sprained right ankle) is day-to-day. … Harris, the NBA’s fourth-leading scorer, was tenth among East guards in first returns of All-Star balloting. Harris called it "a little bit shocking."

 

[SF_capper]

as for saturday, I'm gonna hope: Cleveland and Miami covers to take ATL as a nice home dog

Maggette and Jackson play for GS and they win a close one so I can take Denver on Saturday

also looking at Charlote and indiana

 

[tuck321]

Average play on Heat over 193. Very simply, the Heat give up a lot of points. Average for the season 97.5. Last 5 home games 96, 99, 107, 100 and 101. They go under in games where they dominate or where they are dominated. Not seeing either tonight.
Atlanta on a 4 game under streak. Last 3 away at Spurs, Houston and Dallas. They do not win very often at these sites and were honestly outclassed. Not seeing that here. Seeing niche ecology and a bitter struggle. Taking it high. GL

 

[Satyr]

Average play on Heat over 193. Very simply, the Heat give up a lot of points. Average for the season 97.5. Last 5 home games 96, 99, 107, 100 and 101. They go under in games where they dominate or where they are dominated. Not seeing either tonight.
Atlanta on a 4 game under streak. Last 3 away at Spurs, Houston and Dallas. They do not win very often at these sites and were honestly outclassed. Not seeing that here. Seeing niche ecology and a bitter struggle. Taking it high. GL

wholeheartedly agree this is the play I've been eyeing for a couple of days now, for the reason you mentioned (Heat tendency to score at home).

 

[SportsNut]

I think the line should reflect how the 2 teams are playing at the moment then adjusted for situations/matchups/perception. and for this game of Philly @ Cleveland, the line is right/even short considering how the two teams have been playing

I agree with this SF Capper but that wasnt the point I was trying to make. The point was more about how Philly has not played to expectations and Cle has risen above expectations. I am not saying the LINE persay is incorrect but I also dont believe I can say this is what I expect from CLE every game from now till the end of the year and dont think Philly wont improve at some point .

Is that point here for both teams ? I dont know .

Just theoritically CLE is hot and basically looks better then they are or at least in theory thanks to a HOT streak. Didnt the Lakers look like world beaters for awhile ?

I am saying your paying for the HOT Cavs vs the below expectations Sixers . Is the line accurate for recent play ? Yes , I agree . Is the line accurate big picture though ? I dont think so but only time will tell.

So the comment about what the line would have been if it set earlier is more about how expectations have changed drastically already in 20 games not that it wasnt warranted .

I may be confusing but I agree with what your saying . It just wasnt exactly what I was implying which is my fault ...:shake:

 

[SportsNut]

as far as NJ, I think Toronto may be playing with revenge, but considering these games are essentially practice to them, I don't think the motivation will help them much. We have essentially have NJ playing a nice system off a loss vs Toronto which is still trying to figure themselves out.

from an article I was reading:

The Nets have the fire and urgency on the road. They score more, give up fewer points, allow a lower shooting percentage and are 7-3.
Vince Carter has no explanation for these Jekyll-and-Hyde tendencies, but knows they have to change.
"We’ve got to find a way if we want to be a playoff team and be who we want to be," he said. "We have to win at home."
After tonight, the Nets have a two-game road trip and then a four-game homestand. Maybe if they establish themselves at home they’ll get more support.
"Some games have been great and other games haven’t been as great," Harris said. "We have to do a better job getting them more involved in the game with our play."
BRIEFS: Stromile Swift (sprained right ankle) is day-to-day. … Harris, the NBA’s fourth-leading scorer, was tenth among East guards in first returns of All-Star balloting. Harris called it "a little bit shocking."

To me the Nets play away on the road trip was simply about being undervalued .

Look at their 10 away games :

@ Wash to open ? Who knew Wash was going to be terrible and fire the coach ?

@ Indiana lose by 18 but Devin Harris was out meaningless game and outcome IMO

@ Miami hung tough w/o Devin losing by 5 but clearly inflated after the Pacers Loss catching 8.5 @ Miami ....

@ ATL - a day after beating the Hawks they go to ATL as +9.5 dogs facing the Hawks in a 4 in 5 spot ...ATL started fast and when Josh Smith got hurt books never really adjusted to the lines and ATL starte burning bags ATS.....

@ Tor +8.5 ovecome the huge hole and win in OT ....Raps embarrassed them for most of the 1st 30 or so minutes of the game . Only 9 pts to start the 4th Q and O'Neal went down and VC played hero....

@ LAL lose by 27 +13.5 , hung tight for a half then lost badly after the intermission

@Sac win by 2 in OT +3.5 ...doesnt tell me much other then they are a tad stronger then the Kings maybe -1.5 on a neutral court...

@ Utah won SU +9 , Jazz is a rough spot playing 3rd game in 4 days with only day off being Thanksgiving plus a ton of injuries while NJ had 2 full days off . Jazz had a couple easy wins probably didnt take NJ to seriously despite the fact the NJ plays them tight .....

@ Pho won SU +8.5 , very nice win and another crazy comeback winning the 4th by 19 ....Suns are inconsistent and it doesnt carry the weight it would have 2 seasons ago...

@ Philly - No Elton Brand

To NJ credit they never quit and because of that probably stole wins @ PHO and Toronto , the beat a overrated Wiz team , a tired Hawks team , the Kings a bottom 10 NBA team by2 in OT , and got past Utah who basically was playing 4 days straight with no rest .....outside of Wash in the opener , Philly and Sac they were never smaller then 8.5 pt dogs that is telling .....Wins and losses happen because of situation and perception ...The perception was NJ wasnt very good repeatedly getting fat dog lines and every situation on top of it was beneficial to them ...

NJ is all hype IMO at this point .......:shake:

 

[spiderman]

SN - Any Bulls, Grizzlies thoughts?

 

[tuck321]

Small bet on the Suns. Why? Not sure I have a good answer. Partly SportsNut by reminding me of the Lucky 3 at the end last game. Agree those things usually are bad news next game. Nash in the Laker game had an all time horror game. Seems to argue for a bounce back. Knicks coming in looks like a fairly clear play on Knicks. Have doubts that Nash will be able to play well in that game. Just looks like he does show up here tonight.

 

[BetCrimes1984]

Boston is playing a home game off a road game win by 9+ points tonight for the 4th time this season. They are 0-3 ATS in that home game the 3 previous instances.

 

[SportsNut]

Plays :

Raptors +3.5-120 {Level3}
Raptors 1st Half +1.5 {Level2}
Raptors ML +130 {Level1}
Raptors +0.5 2nd Quarter {level1}
Under 104.5 +100 NJN Team Total {level1}
Under 206 {Level1}

Sixers +11 {Level3}
Sixers +11 {Level2}
1st Half Sixers +6-105 {Level2}
1st Half Under 94 {Level1}
Sixers ML+500{Level1}-Recommend this play but dont have it offered to me
Under 190 {Level2}
Under 100.5 +100 Cavs TT {Level1}

Hawks +3 -115 {level1}
Hawks +1.5 -1151st H {Level 1}
Hawks 1st Q +0.5 -110 [level1}
Under 47.5 1st Quarter {Level1}

Some later games in already ...

Wolves +4.5 -115 1st Half {Level2}
Wolves +8.5 {Level2}
Over 192 {Level2}

Clippers +9 -120 {Level2}


Comments:
Under 190 @ Cleveland because loss of offense with Z and Gibby out . @ Philly they just played a 194 total on a 186.5 game total . WHich FT shooting was 42-50 and could easily in both % and attempts plus 106 combined points in the paint. Granted CLE defense at home has been good but not sure now with Z missing . 91pts allowed 41% FGs allowedfor Cavs . Cle only 3 games below a 100 all season and witha 4 spot I wonder in a blowout even if they are down what the last 15 minutes lineup looks like with 2 key injuries . Alot of Sasha and Hickson who I like both but inconsistent minutes so far could hurt their immediate production short term. Sixers expect around 90 pts(Cavs allowed avg and Sixers about this avg away) and to cover that means Cavs 100 or less hence the plays.

Sixers : Is there really a good reason out there ? Like the backend of the Home and Home angle taking the opposite of the 1st game winner , like how Philly hung tough despite the terrible 3rd Q , like CAVS losing Z and Gibby as big keys plus Brand hopefully being a tad healthier then last game , line value two teams comparable at the start of the season because of play now seperated by 11 points. The Brewers7 NC10 angle as well....Oh and Cle does have a 4 in 5 spot tmrw @ ATL probably making this the best spot for a ATS loss for CLE . Refs maybe Stafford likes his pups it seems despite the only DD fav covering (home favs 4-7 and home dogs 4-1 so pups when he works are 11-5) , Capers 1-8 home favs and 4-5 home pups so dogs are 12-6 when he works, Fraher 4-5 home favs and 3-3 dogs only 1 DD fav who covered so 8-7 dogs for him and none good with home favs .....

Raps v Nets - Tuck and I beat this bitch to death and one of us will have it right after the dust settles . So you get 2 opinions on each side .

DeRosa likes road teams 5-7 home favs but thats 2-0 home favs above -10 and 5-1 road chalk so ROADIES 12-6 ATS with him and 7-3 ATS as pups less then 10 pts, Olesiak likes small home favs which Nets apply 3-0 ATS , other favs 1-2 and road chalk 6-1, Phillips 2-1 small home favs and 4-6 home favs plus 3-2 home dogs ....


GL all even my Net frienemies!:cheers:

 

[SportsNut]

Small bet on the Suns. Why? Not sure I have a good answer. Partly SportsNut by reminding me of the Lucky 3 at the end last game. Agree those things usually are bad news next game. Nash in the Laker game had an all time horror game. Seems to argue for a bounce back. Knicks coming in looks like a fairly clear play on Knicks. Have doubts that Nash will be able to play well in that game. Just looks like he does show up here tonight.

This is something we clearly agree on..:shake:BOL and you may have pushed forward on it

 

[JPicks]

Plays :

Raptors +3.5-120 {Level3}
Raptors 1st Half +1.5 {Level2}
Raptors ML +130 {Level1}
Raptors +0.5 2nd Quarter {level1}
Under 104.5 +100 NJN Team Total {level1}
Under 206 {Level1}

Sixers +11 {Level3}
Sixers +11 {Level2}
1st Half Sixers +6-105 {Level2}
1st Half Under 94 {Level1}
Sixers ML+500{Level1}-Recommend this play but dont have it offered to me
Under 190 {Level2}
Under 100.5 +100 Cavs TT {Level1}

Hawks +3 -115 {level1}
Hawks +1.5 -1151st H {Level 1}
Hawks 1st Q +0.5 -110 [level1}
Under 47.5 1st Quarter {Level1}

Some later games in already ...

Wolves +4.5 -115 1st Half {Level2}
Wolves +8.5 {Level2}
Over 192 {Level2}

Clippers +9 -120 {Level2}


Comments:
Under 190 @ Cleveland because loss of offense with Z and Gibby out . @ Philly they just played a 194 total on a 186.5 game total . WHich FT shooting was 42-50 and could easily in both % and attempts plus 106 combined points in the paint. Granted CLE defense at home has been good but not sure now with Z missing . 91pts allowed 41% FGs allowedfor Cavs . Cle only 3 games below a 100 all season and witha 4 spot I wonder in a blowout even if they are down what the last 15 minutes lineup looks like with 2 key injuries . Alot of Sasha and Hickson who I like both but inconsistent minutes so far could hurt their immediate production short term. Sixers expect around 90 pts(Cavs allowed avg and Sixers about this avg away) and to cover that means Cavs 100 or less hence the plays.

Sixers : Is there really a good reason out there ? Like the backend of the Home and Home angle taking the opposite of the 1st game winner , like how Philly hung tough despite the terrible 3rd Q , like CAVS losing Z and Gibby as big keys plus Brand hopefully being a tad healthier then last game , line value two teams comparable at the start of the season because of play now seperated by 11 points. The Brewers7 NC10 angle as well....Oh and Cle does have a 4 in 5 spot tmrw @ ATL probably making this the best spot for a ATS loss for CLE . Refs maybe Stafford likes his pups it seems despite the only DD fav covering (home favs 4-7 and home dogs 4-1 so pups when he works are 11-5) , Capers 1-8 home favs and 4-5 home pups so dogs are 12-6 when he works, Fraher 4-5 home favs and 3-3 dogs only 1 DD fav who covered so 8-7 dogs for him and none good with home favs .....

Raps v Nets - Tuck and I beat this bitch to death and one of us will have it right after the dust settles . So you get 2 opinions on each side .

DeRosa likes road teams 5-7 home favs but thats 2-0 home favs above -10 and 5-1 road chalk so ROADIES 12-6 ATS with him and 7-3 ATS as pups less then 10 pts, Olesiak likes small home favs which Nets apply 3-0 ATS , other favs 1-2 and road chalk 6-1, Phillips 2-1 small home favs and 4-6 home favs plus 3-2 home dogs ....


GL all even my Net frienemies!:cheers:

Unfucking real. You're a machine.

 

[SportsNut]

SN - Any Bulls, Grizzlies thoughts?

Looking at Memphis ML (pts are fine as well)....ML of more interest because Bulls consecutive wins but ATS losses with spreads of 7.5 and 8.5 would be suprised by a SU win and non cover of < then 3 points...

Home team 8-0 L8 meetings with Grizz 3-0 .

Bulls off consecutive SU home wins ATS losses kinda signals overvalued to me . Factored with Memphis playing them real well last meeting but Bulls just came out on a mission in the 2nd H and rallied back.

Did like the over but dont like Bulls offense away . Alot of games around 92 or less and the 100+ mostly high pwoered Western teams.

Grizz playing better last few and starting a long homestand so thinking emphasis placed on getting off to a good start on the stand....

Was thinking PKem probably accurate here so going with the value play in the good spot I think...:cheers:

 

[SportsNut]

Unfucking real. You're a machine.

In 5 hours will know ...:cheers:

 

[SportsNut]

Either this just popped up or I misses earlier Tyson Chandler is now DOUBTFUL @ boston...:shake:

 

[SportsNut]

Ah shit left 1 out I think in the post before . Played Sixers +3 -105 1st Q Level1 play . Obviously useless 6 minutes into the Quarter just realized it now.....ADD has its pitfalls.

 

[SF_capper]

fuck carter jsut got his 3rd foul in the 1st Q. bet over

 

[SF_capper]

:hang:

what he's doin in the 1st Q with 2 fouls i have no idea

 

[SportsNut]

8:05 starts :

Under 190-120 Hornets{Level2}
Under Boston TT 98 +100 {Level1}

Wolves +4.5 -115 1st Half {Level2}
Wolves +8.5-115 {Level3}
Over 192 {Level2}
Wolves +2.5 1st Quarter {Level1}

Under 200.5 Pistons {Level2}

Grizzlies ML +130 {Level2}
Grizz +3.5 -120 {Level2}
1st Half +1.5 {Level2}





Thoughts :
Really liked the Boston and NOH under but Chandler's absence has me concerned so approached cautiously. Boston 5-1 UNDER on no rest off consecutive 122 pt showings as well . Defense allowing just under 88 pts in no rest games . Boston games avg 180 pts on No REST....

Wolves searching for a WIN still playing better last 2, past history , both 3 in 4 hurts SA more ...


BOL:cheers:

 

[SportsNut]

:hang:

what he's doin in the 1st Q with 2 fouls i have no idea

Maybe cause Jarvis Hayes is out ? I swamped trying to finish up this card..:shake:

 

[SF_capper]

dam well BOL Nut. Hope you go umm 95-1 today (with that loss on Toronto)

 

[SportsNut]

The whole HEADACHE

Plays :

Raptors +3.5-120 {Level3}
Raptors 1st Half +1.5 {Level2}
Raptors ML +130 {Level1}
Raptors +0.5 2nd Quarter {level1}
Under 104.5 +100 NJN Team Total {level1}
Under 206 {Level1}

Sixers +11 {Level3}
Sixers +11 {Level2}
1st Half Sixers +6-105 {Level2}
1st Half Under 94 {Level1}
Sixers ML+500{Level1}-Recommend this play but dont have it offered to me
Under 190 {Level2}
Under 100.5 +100 Cavs TT {Level1}
1st Q Sixers +3 -105 {Level1}

Hawks +3 -115 {level1}
Hawks +1.5 -1151st H {Level 1}
Hawks 1st Q +0.5 -110 [level1}
Under 47.5 1st Quarter {Level1}

Under 190-120 Hornets{Level2}
Under Boston TT 98 +100 {Level1}

Wolves +4.5 -115 1st Half {Level2}
Wolves +8.5-115 {Level3}
Over 192 {Level2}
Wolves +2.5 1st Quarter {Level1}

Under 200.5 Pistons {Level2}

Grizzlies ML +130 {Level2}
Grizz +3.5 -120 {Level2}
1st Half +1.5 {Level2}

Suns -1.5 -120 {Level2}
Suns -0.5 1st Q -105 {Level1}
Suns -1 1st Half {Level1}

Clippers +9 -120 {level2}

Have no idea if I am adding anything else I need a break.....BOL ALL:cheers:

 

[SportsNut]

dam well BOL Nut. Hope you go umm 95-1 today (with that loss on Toronto)

Thanks and GL:shake::cheers:

 

[doublem9]

damn if i knew u were on the 76ers level3 i would of putmore on it...post your own thread sn!

 

[SF_capper]

hey SN, do you use a local or online?

if a local, how do you ensure that you're not getting played as in confiming your numbers with your local? I'd imagine with 100 plays a week with varying amounts it could get really difficult

btw thanks for your input and plays. always helpful to discuss

as for today I only have NJ, but thinking about GS
We usually do Houston up, but that was with Harringotn at center forcing Yao out and tiring him out. Last game really showed what he can do to us. Not sure I play anything there and just hope NJ comes thru

 

[SportsNut]

Doublem- They dont look so hot at the moment so maybe its a good thing you missed it . I just like hanging in the discussing threads for some reason. I am almost in them in every sport... GL

SF- Local but its still online. I used to hate calling shit in back in the day and I probably do over play alot of things cause I just can click on it...

I like torture so added

Sixers +2 2nd Half{Level2}:shake::cheers:

 

[SportsNut]

Was looking at Houston myself just waiting for the dust to settle...guess there will be more said as it draws closer to tip..I just burnout sometimes and like to forget about sports for a few minutes..

 

[JPicks]

Only one regret so far today. Why the hell did I not bet on the C's under. Big card has me scattered.

 

[SportsNut]

Only one regret so far today. Why the hell did I not bet on the C's under. Big card has me scattered.

Only 1 regret is pretty good though . Chandler screwed it up for me as well..Still might a decent 2nd H value play out of it . Game total was low to begin with ..:shake:

 

[SportsNut]

Added -

Hawks +2 -115 {level2}

Just liked ATL the whole time was gun shy . The fact Miami started off hot and is down 3 at half makes me hope the momentum continues for ATL. GL

 

[JPicks]

Ya when I saw the # I gave it a second glance as I was thinking it was pretty low. Should have been a sign. Never looked at the %'s but I'm guessing that turned into a public bloodbath on the over.

 

[SportsNut]

Ya when I saw the # I gave it a second glance as I was thinking it was pretty low. Should have been a sign. Never looked at the %'s but I'm guessing that turned into a public bloodbath on the over.

Clear over bias on the game for sure . Sportsbook had like 94% and some others had some high %s but then Wagerline wasnt even 60% either ...Would guess though on avg 2 to 1 for over bets ......

I regret taking the Det under such a sucker . Line made no sense and should have just stayed away but did the usually fuck it play..

 

[SportsNut]

add:

Pacers +1.5 {Level 1 maybe 2}

Grizz ?? {Level 2 play}

lean wolves as well at +5.5 think its another close one...