Friday Discussion/Thoughts

[reNew Orleans]

<table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td colspan="7" class="blk-title">MLB Baseball - Fri 8/17</td> </tr> <tr class="wht-title" bgcolor="#16177c"> <td colspan="3">Game</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Run Line</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Money Line</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Total Runs</td> <td>More </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">901</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">St Louis Cardinals
B. Looper</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+116 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 11:20 AM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">902</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Chicago Cubs
R. Hill</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-124 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">903</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">New York Mets
T. Glavine</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +117 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-140 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 8.5 -107 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">904</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Washington Nationals
M. Chico</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -127 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+132 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 8.5 -103 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">905</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">San Francisco Giants
B. Zito</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -164 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+127 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9 -125 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">906</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Florida Marlins
S. Olsen</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +154 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-135 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9 +115 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">907</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Philadelphia Phillies
JD. Durbin</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -177 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+117 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9 -105 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">908</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Pittsburgh Pirates
T. Gorzelanny</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +167 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-125 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9 -105 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">909</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Arizona D-Backs
B. Webb</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +113 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-148 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 8.5 +101 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:35 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">910</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Atlanta Braves
L CORMIER</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -123 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+140 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 8.5 -111 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">911</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Cincinnati Reds
B. Arroyo</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -181 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+116 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9.5 -103 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 05:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">912</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Milwaukee Brewers
J. Suppan</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +171 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-124 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9.5 -107 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">913</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Houston Astros
W. Williams</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -119 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+190 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 7.5 +106 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 07:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">914</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">San Diego Padres
J. Peavy</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +109 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-208 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 7.5 -116 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">915</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Colorado Rockies
J. Fogg</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -206 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+105 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 8.5 -107 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 07:40 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">916</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Los Angeles Dodgers
E Stults</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +186 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-113 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 8.5 -103 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">917</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">G1 LAA Angels
J. LACKEY</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +132 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-120 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9.5 +105 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 10:05 AM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">918</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">G1 Boston Red Sox
C. Buchholz</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -142 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+112 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9.5 -115 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">919</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">G2 LAA Angels
E. SANTANA</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -118 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+180 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9.5 +105 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">920</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">G2 Boston Red Sox
J. Beckett</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +108 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-191 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9.5 -115 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">921</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Detroit Tigers
N. Robertson</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -118 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+177 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 10 -121 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">922</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">New York Yankees
A. Pettitte</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +108 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-185 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 10 +111 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">923</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Baltimore Orioles
G. Olson</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -137 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+152 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9 -116 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">924</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Toronto Blue Jays
A.J. Burnett</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +127 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-160 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9 +106 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">925</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Cleveland Indians
P. Byrd</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +128 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-120 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 10 -121 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:10 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">926</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Tampa Bay Devil Rays
E. Jackson</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -138 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+112 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 10 +111 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">927</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Texas Rangers
K Gabbard</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -167 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+127 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9.5 +117 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 05:10 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">928</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Minnesota Twins
C. Silva</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +157 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-135 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9.5 -127 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">929</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Chicago White Sox
J. Contreras</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -142 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+152 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9.5 -105 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 07:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">930</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Seattle Mariners
M. Batista</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +132 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-160 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9.5 -105 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 8/17</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">931</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Kansas City Royals
B. Bannister</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -191 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+105 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9 +115 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 07:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">932</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Oakland Athletics
D. Meyer</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +178 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-113 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9 -125 </td></tr></tbody></table>

'an_horse'

 

[reNew Orleans]

Road Dogs?

STL
CIN
KC
COL

Toronto RL looks good - Olson has faced Bos and CHW twice but neither is a great vs LHP. He gave up 14 BBs and 19 Hits in 15.2 IP. He will be facing the Jays who are 14-4 @ home vs LHP and hit .293 vs LHP on the year. Orioles are 1-5 in their last 6 meetings vs the Jays and 0-4 in their last 4 @ Toronto. Jays hit .292 vs LHP after a loss. concern about burnett just having his 2nd start off the dl and 3rd game in about 2 months but thinking the Jays bounce back from a loss and O's regress after beating the Yanks twice in a row.

 

[Blue_Chip]

I hate laying chalk with the Pirates, but I like Gorzelanny tomorrow... I better watch it though, nola, The Real Deal is on the mound for the Phils

 

[Trueblue]

Looper in the AM game seems like a great value at plus money...

 

[Terpman92]

I like the Pirates as well tomorrow! Cards at plus money in Chicago a possibility, wondering if this is a trap game.Renew-Jays look good with the RL! Looking at that Bos/LAA DH Like Sox for the 2nd game, leaning Lackey and Halos the first.

 

[tuck321]

This listing of Stults as pitcher seems inpossible. I think they are just tossing a name out pretty much randomly. Saying this guy is pitching bad is a serious understatement so be alert for the pitching change when it is announced.

 

[tee*dub]

Just getting into the card now.

Couple quick thoughts. No advantage either way in the Card/Cub game IMO.. Probably lean towards the plus money but no play for me.

I made a huge play on Edwin Jackson in his last start at Texas and he did not disappoint. That start kept this number down. Don't think he is capable of going back to back, so am looking hard at Clev and Byrd.

Also, believe it or not, think the Brew Crew may right the ship today.. More later

 

[Terpman92]

I'm considering Over 9 in the Cubs/Cards game. Decided to avoid locking in a side, I just don't have a good read on that. Anyone else like the Over?

 

[AgainstThePublic]

Terp... I like that over. Both pitchers have been getting hit lately. Looper has a 6.92 era in his last five starts and in those starts the Cards have scored 11, 10 and 6 runs in three wins. Over is 6-1 in the Cubs last seven home games.

On the other hand, Looper is 3-2 with a 2.44 era in 34 appearances vs. the Cubs. He is 2-0 with a 1.29 era in two starts against the Cubs this year. In 7 daytime starts for Looper, he is 6-0 with a 1.84 era. Rich Hill has been terrible in his career against the Cards allowing 7 runs and 12 hits in 12 1/3 innings. At home this year, Hill is 3-2 with a 3.88 era in 10 home starts. Cards are 1-4 in the last five meetings.

I like the over with the way both teams have been hitting the ball but the trends point to an under. Tough call. Still looking.

 

[tuck321]

I do not dislike it. Based on 5 days rest Looper is 3-6 with a era of 7.42 based on 53 innings. Based on 5 days rest Hill is 1-6 with an era of 6 based on 63 innings. However I do not trust those stats with Looper as he has never gotten hit hard in the day this season but see no reason to discount them with Hill who does not have the rediculous day and night splits so personally will go with Cards first 5 ml. But depending on ump and wind at game time would have no problem adding over with these indicaters of potential bad pitching. Remember though the sample sizes here are fairly small.

 

[Terpman92]

Thanks guys! I booked it this morning. I just feel this is a better way to go than the side. Good luck with your picks today!

 

[tuck321]

One really striking days rest split is in the Yankee game. Pettite on 4 days rest 130-62 wins with a 3.78 era while robertson on 4 days is 17-31 with a 5.23 era. After Sheff mouthing off again going Yanks rl today.

 

[reNew Orleans]

looper during the day this year has been pretty good

7 games (6-0), 1.84 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, .206 Opp BA as opposed night where he has a 4-9 record in 15 games, 6.78 ERA, 1.58 WHIP, .308 Opp BA

if that helps you decide if youd rather take a healthy sized dog

 

[reNew Orleans]

ted barrett 10-15 home/road teams this year
also 4-3 to -101 to -120
1-3 -121 to -140
0-2 -141 to -160

 

[tuck321]

Making a lot of normal plays. Trying small Angels second game. Ervin while in the minors played 3 road games. 1 stunk, the other 2 were 6 innings 3 runs and 7 inning 1 run. La did make Boston use 2 key relievers first game. Not liking their chances much tomorrow. Ervin is playing for his job. Beckett is 1-3 last 4 home games and this is a night game where Anheim has the better record and where Ervin has generally done much better. Cutting back some on posting. Not stopping but not getting much interest so some question as to the value of the effort. GL

 

[BetCrimes1984]

I appreciate your thoughts, tuck. Considering the Yanks -2.5 or -1.5.

 

[BetCrimes1984]

Sometimes you gotta take the option thats hard to pick.

Oakland 39-18-5 to Under at home
Bannister 12-0-2 to Under last 14 starts
Kansas 8-0 to Under last 8, 16-4-1 to Under last 21

Oakland avg 6.7 runs/game last 10
Ump has a low SO/BB ratio (1.56), which doesnt feed into Bannister's 2:1 ratio for the season
Kansas bats picking up last few games
Wind of decent strength blowing out
Low number 8.5

Over for small

 

[tuck321]

I bet 25% laying 2.5. Think it paid 154. Conservative but that was what I did. Looks like your over is doing well:cheers:

 

[BetCrimes1984]

I parlayed the -2.5 with Toronto, tuck. So its just a matter of the Yanks finishing this off.

Couldnt have asked much more than that start in Oakland.:cheers: