Friday Discussion/Thoughts

[reNew Orleans]

<table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td colspan="7" class="blk-title">MLB Baseball - Fri 7/20</td> </tr> <tr class="wht-title" bgcolor="#16177c"> <td colspan="3">Game</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Run Line</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Money Line</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">Total Runs</td> <td>More </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">901</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Arizona D-Backs
B. Webb</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-113 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 11:20 AM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">902</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Chicago Cubs
J. Marquis</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+105 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">903</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Cincinnati Reds
K. Lohse</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -162 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+128 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9.5 +104 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">904</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Florida Marlins
S. Olsen</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +152 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-136 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9.5 -114 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">905</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Colorado Rockies
A. Cook</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +130 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-128 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 8.5 -114 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">906</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Washington Nationals
J. Simontacchi</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -140 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+120 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 8.5 +104 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">907</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Houston Astros
R. Oswalt</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +149 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-109 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 8.5 +111 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">908</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Pittsburgh Pirates
T. Gorzelanny</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -159 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+101 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 8.5 -121 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">909</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">St Louis Cardinals
A. Wainwright</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -166 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+128 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9 +104 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:35 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">910</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Atlanta Braves
C. James</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +156 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-136 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9 -114 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">911</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">San Francisco Giants
N. Lowry</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -168 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+125 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9 -105 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 05:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">912</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Milwaukee Brewers
J. Suppan</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +158 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-133 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9 -105 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">913</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Philadelphia Phillies
A. Eaton</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -178 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+120 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 8.5 -105 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 07:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">914</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">San Diego Padres
J. Germano</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +168 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-128 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 8.5 -105 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">915</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">New York Mets
OL. Perez</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +151 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-111 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 8.5 -112 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 07:40 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">916</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Los Angeles Dodgers
B. Tomko</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -161 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+103 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 8.5 +102 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">917</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Kansas City Royals
G. Meche</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -132 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+164 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9 -101 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">918</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Detroit Tigers
K. Rogers</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +122 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-172 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9 -109 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">919</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Chicago White Sox
J. Contreras</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -114 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+189 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9.5 -103 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">920</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Boston Red Sox
J. Beckett</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +104 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-205 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9.5 -107 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">921</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Seattle Mariners
M. Batista</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -201 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-103 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 9.5 -115 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">922</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Toronto Blue Jays
J. Litsch</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +183 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-105 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 9.5 +105 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">923</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Tampa Bay Devil Rays
E. Jackson</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 +109 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+227 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 10.5 +102 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">924</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">New York Yankees
M. Mussina</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 -119 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-245 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 10.5 -112 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">925</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">LAA Angels
J. Lackey</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +127 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-129 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 8.5 -105 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 05:10 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">926</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Minnesota Twins
C. Silva</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -137 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+121 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 8.5 -105 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">927</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Cleveland Indians
F. Carmona</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +112 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-139 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 10.5 +110 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 05:35 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">928</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Texas Rangers
B. McCarthy</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -122 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+131 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 10.5 -120 </td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Fri 7/20</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">929</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Baltimore Orioles
E. Bedard</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> +1.5 -215 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">+104 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> OVER 7.5 +101 </td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 07:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">930</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">Oakland Athletics
J. Blanton</td><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> -1.5 +195 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap">-112 </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> UNDER 7.5 -111 </td></tr></tbody></table>

Known Umps:

Cin/Fla - Joe West
Col/Was - Tim Tschida
Atl/Stl - Gary Cederstrom
Phi/SD - Marvin Hudson
Nym/LAD - Jeff Kellogg
Cws/Bos - Marty Foster
Cle/Tex - Sam Holbrook

 

[tuck321]

How about a dull chalk play. Yankees runline. Moose at home has had 6 quality home starts in a row. The last 10 times he has pitched at home vs Tampa he is 10-0 and 9 of the games were by 2 or more runs. If I see a favorable ump will add minus 2.5 but we obviously will not known that till close to game time. I will reveal a secret. These teams do not like each other and last 10 at NY Tampa went 3-7 and all losses were by at least 2 runs. Correction, Moose has had 6 quality home starts out of his last 7 home starts.

 

[tuck321]

The umpire in Atlanta tomorrow appears to be a unfavorable homer. I have bet Cards ml for .5 a unit anyway and will lay 1.5 with the Cards when it is available. If I see anything optimistic about him will probably go for 2 units.

 

[reNew Orleans]

atl/stl under - they are 8-0-1 OVER in their last 9 meetings, so perhaps they are "due" for an under game

sea ML - looks really nice at this price

col ml

 

[BetCrimes1984]

Think I should point out that Philly has gone 38 games without registering consecutive under results.

Given they've posted an Under tonight, and Adam *Ive-never-seen-a-total-I-cant-make-go-Over* Eaton is pitching tomorrow, just something to mull on. Germano has had 4 straight home starts go Over (seems his Under bias, as an SD pitcher, is strictly for the road).

Eaton's last 6 games: ERA 7.21 - WHIP 1.60 - O/U 5-0-1

Germano's last 4 home games: ERA 5.14 - WHIP 1.62 - O/U 4-0

SD is O/U 3-2* at home off shutting a team out this season. O/U 6-5 overall (*that home mark in contrast to their being O/U 16-26-2 at home when not off shutting a team out).

 

[Man on Fire]

Lohse away WHIP 1.56

Olsen Home WHIP 1.42
Olsen Day WHIP 1.92

But the books have the under -115, I must have missed something.

 

[reNew Orleans]

reds aren't very good vs. LHP, especially recently. last 10 hitting .170 vs LHP

 

[Miracle]

Early leans for me...

Indians/Rangers u10.5
Astros/Pirates u8.5
Rockies/Nats o8.5
Reds/Marlins u9.5

 

[E.T.G.]

Rockies Over 8.5
Oakland -112
Phillies Over 8.5
Braves Under 9
Brewers -133

 

[Scorpion]

i like Houston and colorado for now...

 

[TIGATOR]

Renew- Good work as always- Taking a look at the card, I am leaning towards a few-
Leaning- NYY/TB over 10.5- Jackson @ NY and add in Mussina, couple that with the fact they both had lack luster hitting days and I smell over
Col/Wash over 8.5
Phil/SD over 8.5-Hamels spells over-6R, Germano has ben somewhat inflated and like evryone else, he will come back to Earth tommorow for another 4 or more
Balty- Bedard looking strong, like him over Blanton and the un able to cross home plate A's
Pirates- Gorzelany owns Houst- 4-2 and Oswalt is not the same as previous years, I like them as the dog
LAA- Lackey vs Silva- duel that LAA wins with more run support, also like the under
Det- only favs of 170 to KC, I may just play this cause of lack of respect given to the Gambler

 

[Scorpion]

i think yankees really really really need to start winning....and mussina is not so bad...

 

[Trueblue]

any thoughts on the ARI/CHC game? I lean Webb or the under..

 

[tuck321]

Normally Rogers is an automatic play at home for me as he is 16-4 last 20 at home, has a career record of 7-1 at home vs KC and Detroit might be the best team in baseball. It does not look automatic tomorrow. KC is 7-3 last 10 on the road. KC has won 5 of their last 7 games at Detroit and KC has had a day off to rest while Detroit has just completed a tremendously energy consuming series with Minn where several Detroit players were hurt. I honestly am not sure what is correct in that game so for now am leaning to non involvement.

 

[Miracle]

Normally Rogers is an automatic play at home for me as he is 16-4 last 20 at home, has a career record of 7-1 at home vs KC and Detroit might be the best team in baseball. It does not look automatic tomorrow. KC is 7-3 last 10 on the road. KC has won 5 of their last 7 games at Detroit and KC has had a day off to rest while Detroit has just completed a tremendously energy consuming series with Minn where several Detroit players were hurt. I honestly am not sure what is correct in that game so for now am leaning to non involvement.

I agree K.C. is not a pushover team this year. Detroit backers are probably going to get more of a "thrill" than they bargained for...possible over maybe?

 

[reNew Orleans]

any thoughts on the ARI/CHC game? I lean Webb or the under..

I was actually leaning over because of the way marquis has pitched lately but I would go with the D-Backs.

 

[lindetrain]

I don't ever contribute when it comes to baseball on this forum, but what the hell...

I personally believe Philadelphia is the best play on the board tomorrow. They are 11-6 after losing game 1, while the Pads are 6-9 after winning game 1. The Phils have only been shutout one other time this year, and came back with a 5-2 win over SF the following night; they are 5-1 after scoring 1 run or less in their previous game. Germano just simply doesn't pitch well at home, and could really have a letdown start after his shutout performance in Arizona. Eaton is a ton better on the road, and actually has a 5-2 record in his road starts. For what it's worth, the Phils have been great in San Diego in recent years as well.

Also interested in Seattle...

 

[tuck321]

Probably talking too much but Webb-----last 20 on the road 10-10. Arizona last 20 on the road 6-14. Cubs last 20 at home 15-5. No expert on line moves but I doubt Arizona even goes off as a favorite tomorrow. A couple of games that might be worth looking are Baltimore and Texas since its far from clear as to which teams should be the listed favorites in those games. GL I am done for the night.

 

[Blue_Chip]

arizona/cubs
- leaning over/ both SPs have been shit lately

cincinnati/florida
- lean over but at 9.5?/ olsen has back problems and lohse on road equals era of +6.5

stl.louis/atlanta
- braves but the juice is getting high/ james en fuego (last 3: 17.2 ip, 2er)... stl has no bp

san fran/milwaukee
- leaning over/ lowrey pitched at mil just over a month ago = 5.2ip/9h/5er/3bb/3k

tampa/skankees
- the price on tb may warrant a wager. mussina -240ish... HA! laughable

 

[Scorpion]

i like the under at detroit too...rogers is really solid at home...and i like how meche is pitching too

 

[Man on Fire]

Yanks Over
Eddy Jackson Night WHIP 2.13, wow