For fun discussion purposes -- Your CFP Top 10 for this Tuesday
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RetroVK
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Since I don't have time to do my own version of strength of schedule, I will use Sagarins to help me.
1. Clemson
2. Notre Dame
3. Alabama
4. UCF
5. LSU
6. Kentucky
7. Michigan
8. Georgia
9. Oklahoma
10. Ohio State
None of the bolded could be usurped by a team below them without one of the top 4 teams losing. I gave no extra credence to UCF being defending national champion or for their undefeated season last year, nor Alabama any extra credence for being: 1. By far the best team in the nation in my estimation or 2. Having won the College Football Playoff last year. Nor did I take into account that this Alabama team would be -8 to last years Alabama team or that this UCF team would be +11 to last years UCF team.
Basically, I took the four undefeated teams (one of which hasn't lost in forever) and then took the one loss teams and ranked them by Sagarin's strength of schedule to date (I don't have time to argue with him about that).
1. Clemson
2. Notre Dame
3. Alabama
4. UCF
5. LSU
6. Kentucky
7. Michigan
8. Georgia
9. Oklahoma
10. Ohio State
None of the bolded could be usurped by a team below them without one of the top 4 teams losing. I gave no extra credence to UCF being defending national champion or for their undefeated season last year, nor Alabama any extra credence for being: 1. By far the best team in the nation in my estimation or 2. Having won the College Football Playoff last year. Nor did I take into account that this Alabama team would be -8 to last years Alabama team or that this UCF team would be +11 to last years UCF team.
Basically, I took the four undefeated teams (one of which hasn't lost in forever) and then took the one loss teams and ranked them by Sagarin's strength of schedule to date (I don't have time to argue with him about that).
Fondybadger
CTG Partner
1. Northwestern
2. Michigan
3. Wisconsin
4. BYU
5. ?
2. Michigan
3. Wisconsin
4. BYU
5. ?
i would rank them exactly as they are currently ranked in the latest AP Poll:
1. Satan
2. Clemsuck
3. Notre Lame
4. LS-Who
disclaimer: not trying to offend anyone with the monikers above. I am a Sooner fan and even if we win out we need some major help to crack the Top 4 so i am envious = well let's say jealous - of them, hence the haterade
sorry i stopped at the top 4 because these days, sadly, that is all i really care about. are we in the top 4 or not, that's what drives me
1. Satan
2. Clemsuck
3. Notre Lame
4. LS-Who
disclaimer: not trying to offend anyone with the monikers above. I am a Sooner fan and even if we win out we need some major help to crack the Top 4 so i am envious = well let's say jealous - of them, hence the haterade
sorry i stopped at the top 4 because these days, sadly, that is all i really care about. are we in the top 4 or not, that's what drives me
detroit187
Pretty much a regular
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. LSU
4. Georgia
5. Notre Dame
6. Michigan
7. Oklahoma
8. Central Florida
9. Washington State
10. Ohio State
2. Clemson
3. LSU
4. Georgia
5. Notre Dame
6. Michigan
7. Oklahoma
8. Central Florida
9. Washington State
10. Ohio State
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. LSU
4. Notre Dame
5. Michigan
6. Oklahoma
7. Kentucky
8. Ohio State
9. Washington State
10. Central Florida
2. Clemson
3. LSU
4. Notre Dame
5. Michigan
6. Oklahoma
7. Kentucky
8. Ohio State
9. Washington State
10. Central Florida
Jayhawk Nation
Voice of Reason
Not shocking that VK has UCF in top 4; but it is shocking no one else does (yet). I don't think you take into account last year, but FFS how many games in a row must a team win until they are given a shot? But I love the argument both ways, since Bama would probably be -14 over them (O/U 139.5)
Mine would be:
1. Bama
2. Clemson
3. UCF
4. ND
5. LSU
6. Michigan
7. Georgia
8. Ohio St
9. Oklahoma
T10. Kentucky
T10. Washington St
Mine would be:
1. Bama
2. Clemson
3. UCF
4. ND
5. LSU
6. Michigan
7. Georgia
8. Ohio St
9. Oklahoma
T10. Kentucky
T10. Washington St
Jayhawk Nation
Voice of Reason
I hope Cincinnati and Houston both win all their games except against UCF. That will be two more top 25 wins for them. Not sure how you keep them out after that. Especially when at least 3 of the 5 teams above them have to lose
RetroVK
This claim is disputed
What would suck is that last years team was so much better than this years team. And Bama would be -27 or so not -14. Sadly if ucf goes this year they likely get steamrolled ( they were outplayed by ecu last week ). While I would love to see them getbtheir chance it could set nonp5 future opportunities after they get destroyed. Last years team was different, thosebold mw tcu teams were different and of course utah was the best team in the nation (maybe) that one year .., even backed up by nfl draft. Luckily i think ucf loses before playoffs
Jayhawk Nation
Voice of Reason
I was just throwing out random numbers, but yeah likely higher than 14, but doubt it would be as high as 27. My current numbers say 20.5, but I have likely not trended UCF as low as I should have been given recent performances so maybe a little higher.
But you think they lose? They have looked bad recently but to me it looks like a team going through the motions. They are nowhere near as good as last years team, but still pretty solid. I would not care at all what the result is as long as they make it in. If they won, then NP5 teams in the future may not have the same issues; if they get the doors blown off them then it sends the correct (to me) message that NP5 teams need to schedule tougher non-con games.
Jayhawk Nation
Voice of Reason
IN fairness to UCF's scheduling, UNC was a good one when they probably scheduled it a few years ago
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Jay you have to remember that teams like UCF are likely only going to get maybe on average 1.5 p5 teams to agree to play them/year and this year it got hurricane canceled against UNC, and while they're no good this year that meant the only one they got was Pitt and they destroyed them.
I do also think Bama would be mid to upper 20 point favorite, the line AT LSU of 14 tells the story there. But in fairness I liked Memphis to beat them outright and after how that game ended, can't put much of anything imo into that obv letdown spot against ECU. With all remaining games in FLA they'll have no weather issues, wouldn't be surprised at all if they run the table. 3 at home and the one at USF should be a dandy
I do also think Bama would be mid to upper 20 point favorite, the line AT LSU of 14 tells the story there. But in fairness I liked Memphis to beat them outright and after how that game ended, can't put much of anything imo into that obv letdown spot against ECU. With all remaining games in FLA they'll have no weather issues, wouldn't be surprised at all if they run the table. 3 at home and the one at USF should be a dandy
So sick of UCF love. WHO do they play? Couldn't even beat Memphis convincingly like more legit teams like Mizzou can lol! UNPROVEN. I mean how far do you take it, if a program from an even less prestigious conference goes undefeated do you put them in playoff conversation as well. Its a fckn joke
Yeah Virginia 
That's a rough one for the B1G is a disaster folks
KobeJames823
Pretty much a regular
Alabama
Clemson
lsu
Nd
Michigan
Oklahoma
Washington st
Georgia
West Virginia
Ohio State
Clemson
lsu
Nd
Michigan
Oklahoma
Washington st
Georgia
West Virginia
Ohio State
Jayhawk Nation
Voice of Reason
Saw this morning that as of this morning it would be Bama -22 v UCF. After watching them so far tonight I would tick that closer to 25
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
Yeah, that was silly, but it doesn't matter. Clemson is on a mission.
I would bet Bama -30 vs UCF with Bortles at quarterback
RetroVK
This claim is disputed
Since I don't have time to do my own version of strength of schedule, I will use Sagarins to help me.
1. Alabama (last week #3)
2. Notre Dame (Same as Last week)
3. Clemson (Last week #1)
4. UCF (Same as Last week)
5. Michigan (Last Week #7)
6. Georgia (Last Week #8)
7. Oklahoma (Last Week #9)
8. West Virginia (Last Week unranked)
9. Washington State (Last Week unranked)
10. Ohio State (Same as Last week)
Dropping out: LSU and Kentucky
1. Alabama (last week #3)
2. Notre Dame (Same as Last week)
3. Clemson (Last week #1)
4. UCF (Same as Last week)
5. Michigan (Last Week #7)
6. Georgia (Last Week #8)
7. Oklahoma (Last Week #9)
8. West Virginia (Last Week unranked)
9. Washington State (Last Week unranked)
10. Ohio State (Same as Last week)
Dropping out: LSU and Kentucky
s--k
Goodbye to Romance College Football
Why do all these people insist on saying "college football playoff" instead of just "playoff"? It annoys me. Must be some instruction for everyone to use that official title, but even people with no official connection to the sport, just talking heads still call it "college football playoff". We all know what playoff they are talking about.
rambler882
Head of the Justin Fields Fan Club
- Alabama
- Clemson
- Notre Dame
- Michigan
- Georgia
- Oklahoma
- Ohio St.
- West Virginia
- Central Florida
- Washington St.
I agree completely w this. Same 10 teams in same order.
BiffTFinancial
Pretty much a regular
Bama
Clemson
Michigan
ND
UGA
Oklahoma
WVU
Wazzu
LSU
Ohio State
Clemson
Michigan
ND
UGA
Oklahoma
WVU
Wazzu
LSU
Ohio State
respectfully MW, i don't see how you can have both Michigan and UGA ahead of ND. ND beat then number 7 stanford by 20ish, then number 24 va tech on the road by the same, then beat 5-3 northwestern on the road by DD. oh by the way they beat Michigan even though it feels like 6 mos ago?
and georgia? they lost by 20 to a team that just got handled at home by 30.
i would extremely surprised if the committee has Mich or GA ahead of ND. i think ND is the clear #3. disclaimer: i am Not a ND fan, in fact i am quite the contrary
Yeah, we know who I am a fan of and I wouldn't put ND below either of those teams.
With that being said...if those 3 teams played today in a round-robin...
Notre Dame defeats Georgia
Michigan defeats Georgia
Michigan defeats Notre Dame
Michigan made their own bed agreeing to open the season down there if it comes down to seeding purposes or if Bama loses to Georgia.
BAR you're my Bro but when i hear fans and media types give these comparisons i cringe a bit. i'll tell you why. i am not concerned with what *would* happen, i am concerned with what *did* happen. and what is the case at this moment in time is one of those teams is undefeated against a decent to good sched and the other two teams are not. that can obviously change if ND loses of course but we are not there yet.
if voters ranked teams based on what they think *would* happen on the field, then why even play the games? upsets happen so often that we should literally throw out the "if team A played team B......etc" scenarios.
i believe Bama and Clemson on a typical day would wipe the field w those 3 teams above. Heck they'd beat my Sooners even worse. but i don't want to live in that hypothetical world. i want to base rankings on actual results, not what I *think*.
sermon over. LOL
wiseplayer
Pretty much a regular
1. Bama
2. Clemson
3. Georgia
4. Notre Dame
5. Michigan
6. Oklahoma
7. LSU
8. West Virginia
9. Ohio State
10. UCF
I could easily flip flop Michigan and Oklahoma.
2. Clemson
3. Georgia
4. Notre Dame
5. Michigan
6. Oklahoma
7. LSU
8. West Virginia
9. Ohio State
10. UCF
I could easily flip flop Michigan and Oklahoma.
I said that Notre Dame is 3rd. You simply cannot out them lower. Lol. I feel like we posted the same thing.
No Bud I'm talking about the mention of how the 3 teams would faew against each other. I think it's irrelevant. I hope the committee does too.
I know it is.
I was just saying, you won't hear me complaining. We lost to them. It was our own fault for scheduling them when we didn't have too....and certainly did not have to go there.
I am just telling you how things would go, imo, now if those teams played.
The final four is simple.
If Bama, Clemson, ND and Michigan win out...that is your final 4. It is fairly simple.
If Bama loses to Georgia.... then I think it goes Clemson, ND, Georgia and Bama.
If Ohio State wins out, things get a bit weird (assuming OU/WVU win out).
If Notre Dame loses....then things will get weird a bit too because they will drop but UM would still conceivably stay in the top 3. I think they timing of their loss would open things up for someone else.
Eliminated from Playoff Contention:
LSU, period
Georgia with a 2nd loss being in SEC Ship game.
a two loss...or both 2 loss B12 teams.
Ohio State with a loss to Michigan State this week.
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I am sure I missed something.
If Bama, Clemson, ND and Michigan win out...that is your final 4. It is fairly simple.
If Bama loses to Georgia.... then I think it goes Clemson, ND, Georgia and Bama.
If Ohio State wins out, things get a bit weird (assuming OU/WVU win out).
If Notre Dame loses....then things will get weird a bit too because they will drop but UM would still conceivably stay in the top 3. I think they timing of their loss would open things up for someone else.
Eliminated from Playoff Contention:
LSU, period
Georgia with a 2nd loss being in SEC Ship game.
a two loss...or both 2 loss B12 teams.
Ohio State with a loss to Michigan State this week.
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I am sure I missed something.
And I mean, REDICKULOUS.
LSU has no business above OU/WVU/LSU/Wash State.
Kentucky only dropped 2 spots? WTF.
C'mon. There are plenty more but those are the 2 most ludicrous.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
As a Clemson fan, I'd rather play Notre Dame than Georgia or Michigan, so those teams get ranked higher. The four best teams. You are free to disagree.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
Correction: I'd rather Clemson play Georgia because that's one of the football team's main raisons d'etre, but I think Clemson would have a better chance of beating Notre Dame.
Yeah I’m not real sure why we’re still 7th but I guess they want to hold up the Georgia win while the Miami/Auburn games are fading in how impressive they were at the time. There are multiple teams with resume builders left on their schedule that would surely jump us if they win out. I’m thinking 6-7 is about where we’re going to max out unless there’s a total chaos scenario.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
I'm not sure if keeping Ohio State at 10 is telling us something or not. I've felt all along that if the committee can justify keeping them out, they will because of the way the domestic abuse situation was handled. They'd never admit it, but I feel like it is a factor. Ohio St this year does have a 2014 FSU feel to them as well. Keep winning games, even though anyone watching can tell they aren't nearly as good as they have been.
I wonder at what point the committee stops using eye test and goes on "deserving?" Alabama and Clemson are the two best teams, anyone with eyes can see that, but their resumes are probably not as strong as Notre Dame's. Resume obviously hurts UCF, even with the 0 in L column. And I know I'm a rival fan, but how in the world do you justify AU at 24? Because you have to put somebody from SEC in there?
I don't have huge issues 1-10, but 11-25 seems particularly arbitrary. I guess that doesn't really matter, since nobody outside the top 10 has a chance, and I also think LSU has been eliminated, but I think they are rating the SEC and Big 10 too high in that range, and teams like BC, Iowa St and Fresno St too low
understood and again respectfully, i am glad that committee is not thinking this way and i don't subscribe to it either. i believe it should be about what has been done on the field not who a team or fanbase "would not want to play". notre dame - and it really pains me to say this because i just don't care for them - has earned the #3 spot based on what they have done on the field.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
I don't think that's exactly true, but it is the one sport where historically you're not supposed to get a 2nd chance due to the limited number of games. And it's also the only sport where there's this obsession with determining the "best" team. So many contradictions involved. Either expand the playoff to 8 or 16 with clear qualification criteria, or go back to the old way and everyone with a platform can declare a national champion anyway they see fit
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
I can play transitive. As a Clones fan, I get to use them. They lost @ Iowa by 10 (scored 3), home to Oklahoma by 10, @TCU by 3. That was before Purdy was brought in as the starter. Do I think they'd be undefeated now if he started from the go? No. But I do know the product would have been fun and firmly believe they *could* be undefeated. Is that enough to get them to top 4? Doubt it, they're Iowa f'n State. It's such trash.
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