Discussion - FSU vs Louisville Line (Thursday CFB)

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[TD="class: cms_table_name"]305 FLORIDA STATE[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_line"]-7[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_line"]-4 / -4 -12 / -4[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_currentline"]-3.5[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_line"]-175[/TD]
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[TD="class: cms_table_name"]306 LOUISVILLE[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_line"]52[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_line"]52 / 51.5 / 51.5u22[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 7"]FLS-RB-Karlos Williams-Probable | TV: ESPN, DTV: 206 | MOSTLY CLOUDY, SOUTH WIND 3-8. GAME TEMP 52, RH 54%[/TD]
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Team totals:
Florida State 27
Louisville 23.5
 
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FSU/UL Line ?

Is the massive line movement from 7 to 3.5 bc of the news about the FSU RB? seems like a drastic line shift for a team that can't run the ball.
 
More for the 2 defenses that will be on the field. As a fan, Karlos is not our best back. Not shifty enough to bounce outside. Although he thinks he is. He would be better served planting and getting up field.

I have told friends all season that this would be the loss, if we have one. Partly due to the talent left behind from Strong. A large percentage from FLORIDA, I may add. Many snubbed by in state schools. Just look at the past two bowl games from the Cardinals. The other due to Thursday night history for the Nole program.
 
I hammered the line at -5. Jameis is amazing on "away games" I'd like to see them try and stop him from scoring. GL.
 
if it opened at this I would have hammered fsu ... but since it moved to this, the games outcome has already been determined.
 
if it opened at this I would have hammered fsu ... but since it moved to this, the games outcome has already been determined.

tend to agree

not sure how one can go against this type of move with a big vote of confidence
 
Thursday night will mark the seventh ACC away game of Florida State redshirt sophomore quarterback Jameis Winston’s career. If his past history is any indication, he is likely to turn in one of the best performances of his career.
Winston has thrown for over 300 yards five times in six career ACC away games.
Here are a few more stats that stand out about Winston’s work on the road against conference competition:
• His 188.72 pass efficiency rating in six ACC away games is a historically impressive high number. For comparison, the NCAA record for career pass efficiency rating is 175.62 (Sam Bradford, 2007-2009).
• Half (five) of Winston’s 10 career 300-yard passing games have come in ACC away games. In 2013, Winston tossed for 300 yards at Pitt (356), at Boston College (330) and at Clemson (444). In 2014, Winston has passed for 300 yards at NC State (365) and atSyracuse (317). He has failed to pass for 300 yards just once in ACC away games (atWake Forest, 2013).
• Winston has a 72.1 completion percentage in ACC road games.
• He has thrown for 1,971 yards (328.4 yards per game) and 20 touchdowns in those six contests.
• He has just five interceptions in those six games.
Winston isn’t only impressive in away games involving ACC competition. He is completing 67.1 percent of his passes (220-for-328) in 10 career games away from home. He is averaging 323.5 yards and has 29 TDs to 10 INTs outside of Tallahassee.
A game-by-game look at Winston in ACC away games:
09/02/13 at Pitt: 25-for-27 for 356 passing yards and four touchdowns. Also rushed for 25 yards and a touchdown on eight carries.
09/28/13 at Boston College: 17-for-27 for 330 passing yards and four touchdowns. One interception. Also rushed for 67 yards on 14 carries.
10/19/13 at Clemson: 22-for-34 for 444 passing yards and three touchdowns. One interception.
11/9/13 at Wake Forest: 17-for-28 for 159 passing yards and two touchdowns. One interception.
9/27/14 at N.C. State: 26-for-38 for 365 passing yards and four touchdowns. Two interceptions.
10/11/14 at Syracuse: 30-for-36 for 317 passing yards and three touchdowns.
 
More for the 2 defenses that will be on the field. As a fan, Karlos is not our best back. Not shifty enough to bounce outside. Although he thinks he is. He would be better served planting and getting up field.

I have told friends all season that this would be the loss, if we have one. Partly due to the talent left behind from Strong. A large percentage from FLORIDA, I may add. Many snubbed by in state schools. Just look at the past two bowl games from the Cardinals. The other due to Thursday night history for the Nole program.

Good to see a rational post by a FSU graduate/fan. That doesn't happen around here at all. Gonna be a good game which ever team wins. I'm gonna sip on this tea.
 
It's crazy that Michael Dyer is still playing CFB. Will be interesting to see how much he impacts the game. Had his biggest game in forever last weekend vs. NC State (173 yds).
 
I don't post much - mostly because I don't have the time - but I need to get some thoughts down for this game before I wager on it. I've seen another thread somewhere on here with regards to this game, but I am, admittedly, doing this for my own good... and I hope that breaking this down will help me win (or save) some money.

I don't think there's any doubt that we are more talented than Louisville, on both sides of the ball. But defensively, we have some issues. I can't quite put my finger on it, though. It could be that Kelly just simply isn't anywhere near Jeremy Pruitt's class as DC. Our D-Line is extremely talented, but they aren't very fast - and we have played some pretty solid mobile QB's. Watson, my god, that kid has the talent and composure to be special. But it feels like Kelly's only answer to that type of QB has been to be overly aggressive with corner-blitzes, and we just aren't executing very well. Just schematically, something is off. Where's Charlie Weiss when you need him. Another note: it just feels like we are out-coached and less prepared every week. Then we fix shit at halftime, Jameis and Rashad Greene put us on their back and we score nearly every time we touch the ball in the 2h. Another note: We have the best kicker on the planet, and he could be a huge factor in this game. If we don't turn it over inside the 35, we are going to score points.

Offensively - it's hard to acknowledge but easy to see, our offensive line is just flat out overrated. 4-5 seniors and a RS Fr, you would expect to be one of the better units in the land, but we get our asses kicked at the LOS every week. Don't let the Karlos Williams news affect how you see the game. Dalvin Cook is great, and if there's one place we can afford injuries it's at RB.

With regards to the actual match up tomorrow night - I'm not buying into last week's Michael Dyer resurrection. NCSt is god awful, and if we played them again we would beat the living shit out of them. It's not often you see a team catch so many breaks and have so many terrible decisions result in huge plays (I'm looking at you, Jacoby Brissett) and they still lost by damn near 20. Back to my point though - Louisville's offense is still not good, in my opinion, and Michael Dyer running for 173 against NCSt means very little to my capping of this game. Gardner isn't going to beat us with his legs, and I expect our D-Line to be able to hold their own without us having to get creative. I think this is a huge factor, obviously, because despite their talent on the defensive side of the ball, Louisville is going to have to at least score in the mid/high 20's to cover.

I guess to answer my own doubts about our defense... I don't think that Louisville will have the same type of success keeping our D on the field as our recent opponents have. What I worry about, however, is getting down in the 1h (like we have every game) and this time being on the road on a Thursday night against a capable defense. When we were down to Clemson, we were at least at home, and they shit the bed (granted, no Winston). Same with ND. We got down early, but we were at home and stayed composed. At NCSt, we were down 18 I think, but their defense is horrible. If this happens at Louisville tomorrow night, it will be interesting to see what happens. To our credit, we have played from behind a shit ton with Jameis under center, and the kid has been nothing short of outstanding.

Louisville hasn't faced an offense anywhere near what we should bring to the table. I really wish Deshaun Watson would have played the entire game vs. Louisville, but I kind of think his absence is what brings some value this line as it currently sits. He is a difference maker, and if Clemson wins that game by 17-ish, the general perception of Louisville may be a shade different than what it is now... Maybe not.

I have a strong lean to FSU -4. To play devil's advocate... if you bet on Louisville, they have to score first. As I have seen time and time again, we have done nothing to show we can come out prepared and dominate a game. Even in our 43-3 win over Wake, I think we were down 3-0 or 7-0 after the 1Q. But even if the ville can score first, I don't think they can sustain enough drives to keep the lead. Maybe they play inspired, maybe the HFA on a Thursday night can keep them in it... But I really don't trust Will Gardner to hang on to a lead even if they get it. If you are inclined bet Louisville, the first half seems like the obvious choice over the whole game. And vice versa for FSU. I haven't placed a bet yet, but thought I should get all my thoughts down first so I can go through them a few times. Hope this helps others as well. Apologies for the longevity.
 
Great thoughts. I'd like to point you in the direction of Featherston & Matthew Thomas. They should have big games defensively vs a bad Ville OL. Also I'd expect Jalen Ramsey to be disruptive. Pressure on Gardner & long 3rd downs put the ball back in Jameis' hands.
 
Good to see a rational post by a FSU graduate/fan. That doesn't happen around here at all.
Gonna be a good game which ever team wins. I'm gonna sip on this tea.

I think most people are rational. The question was why the line movement. My answer was based what I thought the publics reason behind it. They are wrong more times than not, but they are not blind. This years team is not as good as last years. Doesn't mean they won't win. This years team is gritty. They find wars to win. Have had a horse shoe up their ass, but don't think U of L I'd the team to dislodge it. I will more than likely have a small play on the Noles. I have played against them numerous times this year.

My reason his Todd Grantham refuses to make half time adjustments. Was that way for years at UGA. Noles will dissect it and come out better in the 2nd half. If they have a lead, I refuse to believe we have a repeat of the NC St game from 2 years ago.
 
FSU GOY line was -17?? Now I can get them at -4! Something stinks


FSU is 1-6 ATS this year, only cover was against WF at -37, they won 43-3
 
I think most people are rational. The question was why the line movement. My answer was based what I thought the publics reason behind it. They are wrong more times than not, but they are not blind. This years team is not as good as last years. Doesn't mean they won't win. This years team is gritty. They find wars to win. Have had a horse shoe up their ass, but don't think U of L I'd the team to dislodge it. I will more than likely have a small play on the Noles. I have played against them numerous times this year.

My reason his Todd Grantham refuses to make half time adjustments. Was that way for years at UGA. Noles will dissect it and come out better in the 2nd half. If they have a lead, I refuse to believe we have a repeat of the NC St game from 2 years ago.

I guess I find it hard to believe that the public could move a line from 7.5 to 3.5--that is through a lot of key numbers. I also have to think the public would actually be on FSU, not UL.
 
FSU GOY line was -17?? Now I can get them at -4! Something stinks


FSU is 1-6 ATS this year, only cover was against WF at -37, they won 43-3

I don't know where I can find the official numbers, but I would bet (since I have been on them most times) that FSU's ats record in the second half is damn near perfect. They just win games.

I will fall for the 'trap'
 
I guess I find it hard to believe that the public could move a line from 7.5 to 3.5--that is through a lot of key numbers. I also have to think the public would actually be on FSU, not UL.

The fact that this move happened at the beginning of the week also leads me to believe this was not a reaction to public money. Unless I'm mistaken, the vast majority of public bets occur within 24 hours of a game
 
Maybe public is not the correct word, but I find it hard to believe Vegas 2nd guesses themselves through the same key numbers.
 
Great thoughts. I'd like to point you in the direction of Featherston & Matthew Thomas. They should have big games defensively vs a bad Ville OL. Also I'd expect Jalen Ramsey to be disruptive. Pressure on Gardner & long 3rd downs put the ball back in Jameis' hands.

Featherston is a freak. He's been paramount to our pass rush this year of the edge, as he and Ramsey (a DB, for those of you who don't follow FSU that closely) have literally been our biggest presence in the opponent backfield this year. Last year our D-Line was so good we didn't have to get too creative defensively with blitz packages until the National Championship game. I kind of feel like we will get back to that base D tonight with a non-mobile QB on the other side for a change. We've also had an extra week to prepare for this one, which came at a great time in my opinion. The ACC isn't as down as all the SEC fans/apologists/lobbiests (I don't know what they are anymore... a cult maybe? SEC Fans and Crossfit enthusiasts kind of seem like a match made in heaven).

I guess what I'm getting at is, I think we actually come out prepared for a game for once. Our offense is going to get theirs, and this should be a game that we win at the LOS defensively without putting our secondary in compromising positions. As of right now, I am seeing a 3.5 at my book. If it stays there for a bit, I will likely buy it to 3. I think I read someone in another thread say, if it opened at 3, I would have hammered it. But the movement scares me. Guess that's why I'm forcing myself to look at this every way possible.
 
Louisville +3.5 $550/$500

Everyone and there mom is on Fla St. Louisville is getting healthy and playing better at the right time. Both losses came on the road. The latest was to Clemson who I believe to be underrated.. Defense will be what wins them the game tonight. Also like them to win outright but haven't pulled trigger yet as I assume the ML will swing towards Fla St closer to game time.


GL
 
Have you considered playing FSU team total? Don't see them winning without four TDs.


I have, and I did. My plays for the night:

TT o27 (-110) to win 3u
FSU -3 (-130) to win 4u
FSU -3 (-135) to win 7u

I just don't see this game playing out the way it would need to for UL to stay in the game. But I'm also not much of a situational bettor, nor do I think the atmosphere will affect us much, offensively.

I can't help but just look at what Jameis has done in every big game that we have played in his time at FSU. The 2h of Notre Dame, The 2h of OKSt (that was basically a road game), Auburn last year, the ACC championship, vs then #7 Miami last year, at Clemson last year.... The man is a gamer. I expect him to get his, and like I've discussed above... I don't think Louisville can exploit our defense and keep them on the field like some other teams have this year.
 
MGM took 2 max bets of $25K on Ville

(not that it means anything, just posting what I heard and dont know at what line)
 
@MarkEnnis: Well that is pretty awful. RT @jeffgreer_cj: Louisville DE/DT Pio Vatuvei is out tonight with an unspecified injury.
 
I personally think the NCAA is sick of hearing about controversy related to one program over and over. With a loss on the road here it knocks FSU out of the conversation for this season.
 
I personally think the NCAA is sick of hearing about controversy related to one program over and over. With a loss on the road here it knocks FSU out of the conversation for this season.

Funny, I was just thinking the same damn thing!!!
Get him out the spotlight so $$$ keeps coming in, one player is not bigger than the league...
 
If Lou is going to win this game, dont you think they have to outscore FLA ST?
I do not see Winston being held down all game by any college defense
 
@Corey_Clark: Louisville starting cornerback Charles Gaines just went down during warmups. Three trainers looking at him on the bench.
 
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