DFS/Props Week 17 2024 Discussion

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Pretty much a regular
Christmas Games/2 Game Slate

KCC@PIT


Chiefs have a bad P/RB matchup.
Steelers have a bad P/RB matchup.
Mahomes has a meh pressure rate situation, and meh pass potential.
Russ has a bad pressure rate situation, and a meh pass potential. Najee/Warren has a bad rush potential.
Chiefs TTR is 2nd (good).
Steelers TTR is 3rd.
Pace of play is T-9th (meh). O/U Rank is 2nd.

- I guess Mahomes is just never hurt? Guy continues to get it done, it is hard to find a pairing because there are a ton of ancillary options, especially with hollywood back. I think from a PPR perspective, Worthy makes a lot of sense, he still had 27% target share last week, that was w/ the WR addition, and it came with 4 RZ targets. The rest are just shooting darts. Kelce is the cheapest he has been all year, maybe in the last 4+ years, I'll never tell you not to take him at this price, I do think the other TEs have good situations too, however if that plus his recent performances, keeps his ownership low, you may be kicking yourself for not playing him. Pass on the backfield mess, it now 4 straight weeks w/ neither RBs hitting 50% of snaps.

Warren has now led in snaps for 3 straight weeks, hitting a season high of 67% last week, even in positive run scripts I think he will slightly lead, but in negative ones, he will absolutely lead, double digit opps, with a solid ppr floor has me interested. Pickens a full participant, and the only WR I want. Take dart throws with jefferson/austin if you'd like, but I'm passing for now. I know Muth can score a TD (has in 3 of L4), but even with one, I am not sure he will have the ceiling of one of the winning TEs for this slate, I'll pass for now.


BAL@HOU

Ravens have a meh RB matchup, bad P matchup.
Texans have a meh P matchup, bad RB matchup.
Henry has a good rush potential.
Stroud has a emh pressure rate situation, but a good pass potential. Mixon has a bad rush potential.
Ravens TTR is 1st (great).
Texans TTR is 4th.
Pace of play is T-13th (meh). O/U Rank is 1st (good).

- Lamar has the highest floor/ceiling combo of the QBs here, so I get it if you go all in, but Henry has still not scored in 4 straight now, and saw his highest snap share of the season last week with Hill now on IR. I will be using Henry probably exclusively, with some Lamar stacks with him but not a lot. Flowers Q status has me concerned, if he is in, I probably underweight the WR field, if he is out, I think Wallace/Miller could be dart throwed only where multi-entering. What we would want ot go to is Andrews/Likely, as they both see the field a lot, and are obviously RZ targets for Lamar.

You have to have some Mixon, as he has the highest PPR floor on the slate, and we know he has workhorse capabilities, which only Henry truly does amongst the rest, but I won't go overboard in weight. And his snaps have trended down in his last 5/6~ games, seeing over 20 opps just once in his last 4... but again, if we can afford him and henry, or a line up or 2 where you go him over henry, I get it, because the other RBs don't truly have the upside as him. After Dell went out, Schultz saw 4 of Strouds next 7 pass attempts, I think I am going 2 TE builds a lot in this slate, mixed with a couple 3 RB ones, but Schultz will be involved in my lineups. I will also note, despite playing just over 50% of snaps, Dell had a 19.5% target share, and that is a big time rise to peoples floors. Collins should easily get 30%+ of the targets and is hard not to lock into lineups. Woods/Hutchinson seem to be the snap beneficiaries of the injury, and I think Woods is viable, I may play slightly more Hutchinson however as I think less go to him, and imo either can easily beat the other.
 
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Thursday Night/Showdown Slate

SEA@CHI


Seahawks have a good RB matchup, meh P matchup.
Bears have a good P/RB matchup.
Geno has a meh pressure rate situation. Walker has a good rush potential.
Williams has a great pressure rate situation, but a bad pass potential.
Pace of play is 4th overall.

- We have a very recent 2 game sample size where Charb was the solo back and he had 80% snaps in both. The GBP game got out of hand, on top of losing Geno by half, and he only had 12 opps (but 4 targets), in the other closer contested game, really one with a positive run script, he had a whooping 29 opps (7! targets). He should be a focal point of lineups. Taking out Wk15 where Geno didn't play the entirety of the match, the L3 games (post bye) with Fants return, Lockett has been virtually unplayable, the thing is he is sooo cheap on DK, and he still is on the field, so if mass entering I'd include him, but truthfully, Fant is similarly priced, and more than doubles his target share, I'd rather lean that way 8+ out of 10 times. JSN/Metcalf are virtually identical (the old metcalf/lockett), both have aDOTs around 13~, and target shares around 21%, but JSN is 1K more expensive, but quietly (and surprisingly to me) has had more RZ targets than Metcalf, I think both can be played, maybe lean towards the lower projected ownership one.

Swift has averaged 70+% of snaps L4, and even with the return of Roschon last week he maintained it, and this was with a lingering injury that wasn't on the report this week, I think he will be one of the lower owned starters of the slate and could easily see him be optimal. The WRs here are such a crapshoot, I know Allen looks like he has the accolades recently, but over the L4, Moore still leads in target share (33%), Allen is still at an extremely respectable 30.5%, and has the better aDOT, 10.7 to 7.8. I actually think they are interchangeable, and to believe you can stack 2 of these 3 WRs and be happy. Over those last 4 weeks, they have a combined 21 RZ targets, and Odunze actually leads it with 8 (allen is the fewest at 6 still). Speaking of Odunze, he leads the WR group in aDOT, 14.2, but his target share is fine at 19.5%, it is reflected in his price, I like him too. I think I will mainly try to do 2 CHI WRs, mixed with the backs/1 of Metcalf/JSN, and then make it fit with whoever is needed as a punt. Can Kmet burn me with a TD? sure, but the guy sees like 2 targets a game now, and is more expensive than both lockett/fant, don't do it.
 
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Saturday Games/3 Game Slate

LAC@NEP


Chargers have a great RB matchup, good P matchup.
Pats have a bad P/RB matchup.
Herbert has a good pressure rate situation, and a great pass potential.
Maye has a bad pressure rate situation, and bad pass potential. Stevenson has a meh rush potential.
Chargers TTR is 3rd (good).
Pats TTR is 6th (meh/last).
Pace of play is T-13th (meh). O/U Rank is 3rd (last)

- Notes

DEN@CIN

Broncos have a great P matchup, good RB matchup.
Bengals have a bad P/RB matchup.
Nix has a great pressure rate situation.
Burrow has a bad pressure rate situation. Brown has a bad rush potential.
Broncos TTR is 4th.
Bengals TTR is 2nd (great).
Pace of play is 7th overall. O/U Rank is 1st (good).

- Notes

ARI@LAR

Cardinals have a meh P/RB matchup.
Rams have a great P matchup, good RB matchup.
Kyler has a good pressure rate situation, and good pass potential. Conner?? has a good rush potential.
Stafford has a good pass potential.
Cards TTR is 5th.
Rams TTR is 1st (great).
Pace of play is T-9th (meh).
O/U Rank is 2nd (good).

- Notes
 
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Sunday 1PMs/Main Slate

NYJ@BUF


Jets have a great RB matchup, good P matchup.
Bills have a good RB matchup, meh P matchup.
Rodgers has a meh pressure rate situation, but a good pass potential.
Allen has a great pressure rate situation, and a great pass potential. Cook has a great rush potential.
Jets TTR is 12th (meh).
Bills TTR is 2nd (great).
Pace of play is 12th (meh). O/U Rank is 3rd (good).

- Hall jumped to 77% of snaps, if he is back (and it looks like it) 6.3K is a STEAL.

Scared to play Allen as QB1 with his nagging injury/wind picking up as game goes on. I'd stick to Cook only.

TEN@JAC

Titans have a great P matchup, good RB matchup.
Jaguars have a good P matchup, meh RB matchup.
Pollard? has a meh rush potential.
Jones has a good pressure rate situation.
Titans TTR is 11th (meh).
Jags TTR is 9th.
Pace of play is 8th. O/U Rank is T-5th (bad).

- Spears, no pollard, 5.4K, enough said.

Don't love anyone, but Thomas target share L3 is 34.5%/8.7 aDOT, those are great numbers, but only if we hear there is going to be a delay due to the storm.

CAR@TBB

Panthers have a great RB matchup, meh P matchup.
Bucs have a great P/RB matchup.
Young has a meh pass potential.
Baker has a great pressure rate situation, and a great pass potential. Irving~ has a great rush potential.
Panthers TTR is 8th.
Bucs TTR is 1st (great).
Pace of play is 11th (meh). O/U Rank is T-1st (good).

- I am into Young here and Coker/Thielen, maybe some more --- thinking no hubbard, plus his upward trajectory, he should see some success here.

No Otton/Shepard, go Evans/McMillan, concentrated offense becomes more concentrated.

IND@NYG

Colts have a good P/RB matchup.
Giants have a meh P/RB matchup.
Lock? has a meh pressure rate situation, and a bad pass potential.
Colts TTR is 4th (good).
Giants TTR is T-14th (bad).
Pace of play is T-1st (good). O/U Rank is 4th (meh).

- Flacco is back, means Pittman/Downs are too.

Tracy in the 5K range with 15+ opp/ppr floor seems good in a plus matchup with a good pace. Nabers has 4 straight 10+ target games, can't cross him off completely.

LVR@NOS

Raiders have a great RB matchup, good P matchup.
Saints have a great P matchup, meh RB matchup.
AOC has a bad pass potential.
Rattler? has a great pass potential. Kamara? has a good rush potential.
Raiders TTR is 10th (meh).
Saints TTR is 13th (meh).
Pace of play is T-1st (good). O/U Rank is 8th (bad/last).

- prefer to get 1 of these defenses in this one.

The LVR RB duo had a combined 13 targets, neither under 6, could dart throw in tourneys, and my preferred D.

K. Miller may go untouched, but can we trust his snap share? Ugh, idk.

DAL@PHI

Cowboys have a meh RB matchup, bad P matchup.
Eagles have a great P/RB matchup.
Rush has a bad pressure rate situation, and a bad pass potential. Dowdle has a bad rush potential.
Barkley has a great rush potential.
Cowboys TTR is 16th (bad/last)
Eagles TTR is 6th (good).
Pace of play is 3rd. O/U Rank is T-5th (bad).

- Tolbert, Ferguson may faves, Cooks for mass entering is fine

Pickett in, Brown had a 60% target share (Smith 32%), do I think that maintains? No, but even 30% target share he is a slam dunk, butter me up.

Sunday 4PMs/Main Slate (Cont.)

MIA@CLV


Dolphins have a good P matchup, bad RB matchup.
Browns have a great P matchup, bad RB matchup.
Tua has a bad pressure rate situation.
DTR has a meh rush potential, and a meh pass potential. Ford has a bad rush potential.
Dolphins TTR is 7th.
Browns TTR is T-14th (bad).
Pace of play is 6th. O/U Rank is T-5th (bad).

- like defenses here too... believe Joonu or Hill could be used in mass entering.

do I think a CLV pass catcher can succeed for DFS? Sure but I am not doing it.

GBP@MIN

Packers have a good P matchup, bad RB matchup.
Vikings have a good RB matchup, meh P matchup.
Love has a great pressure rate situation, and a good pass potential.
Darnold has a good pressure rate situation. Jones has a meh rush potential.
Packers TTR is 3rd (good).
Vikings TTR is 5th (good).
Pace of play is 16th (meh/last). O/U Rank is T-1st (good).

- playoff type game that looks like it can be an under play, but wouldn't be shocked in a shootout. Love is just tough to pair with as they have so many options. Take your pick, it is a very cheap stack.

JJ finally starting to separate from Addison last few weeks, think either can be played but will try to JJ.
 
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Sunday Night/Showdown Slate

ATL@WAS


Falcons have a great P/RB matchup.
Commanders have a good P/RB matchup.
Penix has a good pass potential. Bijan has a great rush potential.
Daniels has a good pressure rate situation, and a great pass potential. Br. Robinson has a good rush potential.
Pace of play is 5th overall.

- Notes
 
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Monday Night/Showdown Slate

DET@SFO


Lions have a great RB matchup, bad P matchup.
49ers have a meh RB matchup, bad P matchup.
Gibbs has a great rush potential.
Purdy has a meh pass potential.
Pace of play is 15th (meh) overall.

- Notes
 
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Gotta rock with

Friermuth ov 31.5 rec.

This feels light to me, I know he hasn’t hit this in a few games but without Pickens to take tops off defenses he prob been getting extra attention and kc has just been really bad vs te’s , this number just feels low..
 
Gotta think Lamar over something on a Xmas showcase game. Think I like 217.5 pass yards but wouldn’t hate his rushing over either.
 
Christmas Games/2 Game Slate

KCC@PIT


Chiefs have a bad P/RB matchup.
Steelers have a bad P/RB matchup.
Mahomes has a meh pressure rate situation, and meh pass potential.
Russ has a bad pressure rate situation, and a meh pass potential. Najee/Warren has a bad rush potential.
Chiefs TTR is 2nd (good).
Steelers TTR is 3rd.
Pace of play is T-9th (meh). O/U Rank is 2nd.

- I guess Mahomes is just never hurt? Guy continues to get it done, it is hard to find a pairing because there are a ton of ancillary options, especially with hollywood back. I think from a PPR perspective, Worthy makes a lot of sense, he still had 27% target share last week, that was w/ the WR addition, and it came with 4 RZ targets. The rest are just shooting darts. Kelce is the cheapest he has been all year, maybe in the last 4+ years, I'll never tell you not to take him at this price, I do think the other TEs have good situations too, however if that plus his recent performances, keeps his ownership low, you may be kicking yourself for not playing him. Pass on the backfield mess, it now 4 straight weeks w/ neither RBs hitting 50% of snaps.

Warren has now led in snaps for 3 straight weeks, hitting a season high of 67% last week, even in positive run scripts I think he will slightly lead, but in negative ones, he will absolutely lead, double digit opps, with a solid ppr floor has me interested. Pickens a full participant, and the only WR I want. Take dart throws with jefferson/austin if you'd like, but I'm passing for now. I know Muth can score a TD (has in 3 of L4), but even with one, I am not sure he will have the ceiling of one of the winning TEs for this slate, I'll pass for now.


BAL@HOU

Ravens have a meh RB matchup, bad P matchup.
Texans have a meh P matchup, bad RB matchup.
Henry has a good rush potential.
Stroud has a emh pressure rate situation, but a good pass potential. Mixon has a bad rush potential.
Ravens TTR is 1st (great).
Texans TTR is 4th.
Pace of play is T-13th (meh). O/U Rank is 1st (good).

- Lamar has the highest floor/ceiling combo of the QBs here, so I get it if you go all in, but Henry has still not scored in 4 straight now, and saw his highest snap share of the season last week with Hill now on IR. I will be using Henry probably exclusively, with some Lamar stacks with him but not a lot. Flowers Q status has me concerned, if he is in, I probably underweight the WR field, if he is out, I think Wallace/Miller could be dart throwed only where multi-entering. What we would want ot go to is Andrews/Likely, as they both see the field a lot, and are obviously RZ targets for Lamar.

You have to have some Mixon, as he has the highest PPR floor on the slate, and we know he has workhorse capabilities, which only Henry truly does amongst the rest, but I won't go overboard in weight. And his snaps have trended down in his last 5/6~ games, seeing over 20 opps just once in his last 4... but again, if we can afford him and henry, or a line up or 2 where you go him over henry, I get it, because the other RBs don't truly have the upside as him. After Dell went out, Schultz saw 4 of Strouds next 7 pass attempts, I think I am going 2 TE builds a lot in this slate, mixed with a couple 3 RB ones, but Schultz will be involved in my lineups. I will also note, despite playing just over 50% of snaps, Dell had a 19.5% target share, and that is a big time rise to peoples floors. Collins should easily get 30%+ of the targets and is hard not to lock into lineups. Woods/Hutchinson seem to be the snap beneficiaries of the injury, and I think Woods is viable, I may play slightly more Hutchinson however as I think less go to him, and imo either can easily beat the other.

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Anyone playing DFS hopefully banked yesterday!

Henry/Warren were favorite RBs and were optimal.
Worthy/Kelce were favorite Chiefs and were optimal (Watson was like 0.5% owned and wasn't even in the winning lineup).
Flexing TE/fading BAL WRs with Andrews (even Likely) was also optimal.

Did miss on Schultz, and Collins was meh.
 
Thursday Night/Showdown Slate

SEA@CHI


Seahawks have a good RB matchup, meh P matchup.
Bears have a good P/RB matchup.
Geno has a meh pressure rate situation. Walker has a good rush potential.
Williams has a great pressure rate situation, but a bad pass potential.
Pace of play is 4th overall.

- We have a very recent 2 game sample size where Charb was the solo back and he had 80% snaps in both. The GBP game got out of hand, on top of losing Geno by half, and he only had 12 opps (but 4 targets), in the other closer contested game, really one with a positive run script, he had a whooping 29 opps (7! targets). He should be a focal point of lineups. Taking out Wk15 where Geno didn't play the entirety of the match, the L3 games (post bye) with Fants return, Lockett has been virtually unplayable, the thing is he is sooo cheap on DK, and he still is on the field, so if mass entering I'd include him, but truthfully, Fant is similarly priced, and more than doubles his target share, I'd rather lean that way 8+ out of 10 times. JSN/Metcalf are virtually identical (the old metcalf/lockett), both have aDOTs around 13~, and target shares around 21%, but JSN is 1K more expensive, but quietly (and surprisingly to me) has had more RZ targets than Metcalf, I think both can be played, maybe lean towards the lower projected ownership one.

Swift has averaged 70+% of snaps L4, and even with the return of Roschon last week he maintained it, and this was with a lingering injury that wasn't on the report this week, I think he will be one of the lower owned starters of the slate and could easily see him be optimal. The WRs here are such a crapshoot, I know Allen looks like he has the accolades recently, but over the L4, Moore still leads in target share (33%), Allen is still at an extremely respectable 30.5%, and has the better aDOT, 10.7 to 7.8. I actually think they are interchangeable, and to believe you can stack 2 of these 3 WRs and be happy. Over those last 4 weeks, they have a combined 21 RZ targets, and Odunze actually leads it with 8 (allen is the fewest at 6 still). Speaking of Odunze, he leads the WR group in aDOT, 14.2, but his target share is fine at 19.5%, it is reflected in his price, I like him too. I think I will mainly try to do 2 CHI WRs, mixed with the backs/1 of Metcalf/JSN, and then make it fit with whoever is needed as a punt. Can Kmet burn me with a TD? sure, but the guy sees like 2 targets a game now, and is more expensive than both lockett/fant, don't do it.
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Sunday 1PMs/Main Slate

NYJ@BUF


Jets have a great RB matchup, good P matchup.
Bills have a good RB matchup, meh P matchup.
Rodgers has a meh pressure rate situation, but a good pass potential.
Allen has a great pressure rate situation, and a great pass potential. Cook has a great rush potential.
Jets TTR is 12th (meh).
Bills TTR is 2nd (great).
Pace of play is 12th (meh). O/U Rank is 3rd (good).

- Hall jumped to 77% of snaps, if he is back (and it looks like it) 6.3K is a STEAL.

Scared to play Allen as QB1 with his nagging injury/wind picking up as game goes on. I'd stick to Cook only.

TEN@JAC

Titans have a great P matchup, good RB matchup.
Jaguars have a good P matchup, meh RB matchup.
Pollard? has a meh rush potential.
Jones has a good pressure rate situation.
Titans TTR is 11th (meh).
Jags TTR is 9th.
Pace of play is 8th. O/U Rank is T-5th (bad).

- Spears, no pollard, 5.4K, enough said.

Don't love anyone, but Thomas target share L3 is 34.5%/8.7 aDOT, those are great numbers, but only if we hear there is going to be a delay due to the storm.

CAR@TBB

Panthers have a great RB matchup, meh P matchup.
Bucs have a great P/RB matchup.
Young has a meh pass potential.
Baker has a great pressure rate situation, and a great pass potential. Irving~ has a great rush potential.
Panthers TTR is 8th.
Bucs TTR is 1st (great).
Pace of play is 11th (meh). O/U Rank is T-1st (good).

- I am into Young here and Coker/Thielen, maybe some more --- thinking no hubbard, plus his upward trajectory, he should see some success here.

No Otton/Shepard, go Evans/McMillan, concentrated offense becomes more concentrated.

IND@NYG

Colts have a good P/RB matchup.
Giants have a meh P/RB matchup.
Lock? has a meh pressure rate situation, and a bad pass potential.
Colts TTR is 4th (good).
Giants TTR is T-14th (bad).
Pace of play is T-1st (good). O/U Rank is 4th (meh).

- Flacco is back, means Pittman/Downs are too.

Tracy in the 5K range with 15+ opp/ppr floor seems good in a plus matchup with a good pace. Nabers has 4 straight 10+ target games, can't cross him off completely.

LVR@NOS

Raiders have a great RB matchup, good P matchup.
Saints have a great P matchup, meh RB matchup.
AOC has a bad pass potential.
Rattler? has a great pass potential. Kamara? has a good rush potential.
Raiders TTR is 10th (meh).
Saints TTR is 13th (meh).
Pace of play is T-1st (good). O/U Rank is 8th (bad/last).

- prefer to get 1 of these defenses in this one.

The LVR RB duo had a combined 13 targets, neither under 6, could dart throw in tourneys, and my preferred D.

K. Miller may go untouched, but can we trust his snap share? Ugh, idk.

DAL@PHI

Cowboys have a meh RB matchup, bad P matchup.
Eagles have a great P/RB matchup.
Rush has a bad pressure rate situation, and a bad pass potential. Dowdle has a bad rush potential.
Barkley has a great rush potential.
Cowboys TTR is 16th (bad/last)
Eagles TTR is 6th (good).
Pace of play is 3rd. O/U Rank is T-5th (bad).

- Tolbert, Ferguson may faves, Cooks for mass entering is fine

Pickett in, Brown had a 60% target share (Smith 32%), do I think that maintains? No, but even 30% target share he is a slam dunk, butter me up.

Sunday 4PMs/Main Slate (Cont.)

MIA@CLV


Dolphins have a good P matchup, bad RB matchup.
Browns have a great P matchup, bad RB matchup.
Tua has a bad pressure rate situation.
DTR has a meh rush potential, and a meh pass potential. Ford has a bad rush potential.
Dolphins TTR is 7th.
Browns TTR is T-14th (bad).
Pace of play is 6th. O/U Rank is T-5th (bad).

- like defenses here too... believe Joonu or Hill could be used in mass entering.

do I think a CLV pass catcher can succeed for DFS? Sure but I am not doing it.

GBP@MIN

Packers have a good P matchup, bad RB matchup.
Vikings have a good RB matchup, meh P matchup.
Love has a great pressure rate situation, and a good pass potential.
Darnold has a good pressure rate situation. Jones has a meh rush potential.
Packers TTR is 3rd (good).
Vikings TTR is 5th (good).
Pace of play is 16th (meh/last). O/U Rank is T-1st (good).

- playoff type game that looks like it can be an under play, but wouldn't be shocked in a shootout. Love is just tough to pair with as they have so many options. Take your pick, it is a very cheap stack.

JJ finally starting to separate from Addison last few weeks, think either can be played but will try to JJ.
very quick comments gl all
 
B. Hall Rush&Rec Yds O78.5
J. Cook Rush&Rec Yds O81.5
M. Evans Rec Yds O84.5
J. Coker Rec Yds O39.5
T. Tracy Rush&Rec Yds O69.5
M. Pittman Rec Yds O49.5
A. Brown Rec Yds O69.5
J. Ferguson Receptions O4.5

my faves from most of the 1PM teams, skipped lvr/nos
 
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