Conference Championship Week - Discussion

It is funny that the chairman made the fundamental flaw of saying that a team that plays no more games can't move above or behind any other team that doesn't play again. I see Twitter is having a field day with suggesting that SMU opt out of the ACC game. This is the shit that the powers that be will always live for. You simply can't say that as a chairman of a committee and expect this kind of thing to not happen

The same wouldn't apply to Boise in this case because the b12 champ, Clemson and UNLV would all be in as the top 5 conference champions thus moving Boise out. Can't believe the guy actually said that out loud regardless of how much we know everyone on the committee was already thinking it.
 
Rusty Trombone said:
They should totally jump them. SMU with 2 losses and shoulda lost to Duke & Nevada.....
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I really wish we could get rid of this "shoulda, coulda" thing once and for all. Especially the "if so and so team had won that one game it would now be undefeated". Wrong. And wrong again. We have no idea how the subsequent games would have played out if that one game was won. You can't change one game and automatically assume the others play out unchaged. That particular angle / argument continues to be the dumbest one in sports.

SMU? It won those two games or Duke / Nevada didn't make the plays to do so. Hell, SMU turned the ball over 6 times against Duke and found a way to win. It should get more credit for doing so then the alternative. SMU "really could have beaten BYU" in what was a tie game with 4 minutes. But SMU didn't win. BYU did.

Again, Parcells said it: "You are what your record says you are." I wish the mods of this site would cement at the top of this forum.
 
6-0 down the stretch but the Gamecocks get jobbed out of a legendary run. Not saying they should necessarily get it with what is on paper but I want to throw my phone every time I see that pick 6 play called back in the LSU game while Clemson gets a backdoor chance after getting their ass kicked at home.
 
ksimpsc said:
6-0 down the stretch but the Gamecocks get jobbed out of a legendary run. Not saying they should necessarily get it with what is on paper but I want to throw my phone every time I see that pick 6 play called back in the LSU game while Clemson gets a backdoor chance after getting their ass kicked at home.
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Clemson even having a chance at the playoff is pretty laughable.

They are not good.

Very happy SMU should take care of business.
 
South Carolina had the very bad luck of losing to two teams that they are being compared against. If Alabama had beaten OU, or Vandy, instead of SC, I think we're talking about the Gamecocks being in the 11 spot (or maybe Ole Miss), though I guess that UGA win carries a ton of weight too
 
Frank Costanza said:
I really wish we could get rid of this "shoulda, coulda" thing once and for all. Especially the "if so and so team had won that one game it would now be undefeated". Wrong. And wrong again. We have no idea how the subsequent games would have played out if that one game was won. You can't change one game and automatically assume the others play out unchaged. That particular angle / argument continues to be the dumbest one in sports.

SMU? It won those two games or Duke / Nevada didn't make the plays to do so. Hell, SMU turned the ball over 6 times against Duke and found a way to win. It should get more credit for doing so then the alternative. SMU "really could have beaten BYU" in what was a tie game with 4 minutes. But SMU didn't win. BYU did.

Again, Parcells said it: "You are what your record says you are." I wish the mods of this site would cement at the top of this forum.
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Thats works in the NFL....and Parcells was correct. In college ball its just silly to think that way. Totally silly
 
KJ said:
Doesn't matter, the money grab is only going to get bigger and bigger

It should never matter who "we'd" favor on a neutral, preseason rankings create all of this anyway. I'd never favor OU over anyone in the top 80 at home by three touchdowns but that's not how this should ever work

If 8 of the 12 teams in this fun little tournament come from the big ten and the SEC, it won't even be that much fun to argue it anymore. Just let the two conferences play every year for the title, it would force Notre Dame to join one of them at that point
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When you're talking about the last couple teams to make it in and its a "judgement" call....it 110% should matter who would be favored on a neutral field. If the whole point is to get the best teams in the playoffs....letting the team in "that hasn't had a chance" is just discrimination.....which is why most people that talk about this stuff are hypocritical whether they know it or not. Gotta be objective if you want the truth.....subjective thinking will lead you down a weird path in life and sports/gambling.
 
bones said:
Texas is #3 in Total Defense and #14 in Total Offense and #19 in Team Tackles for Loss

Georgia is #35 in Total Defense and #37 in Total Offense and #50 in Team Tackle for Loss
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Texas defense has been really impressive as of late.
 
MikeU said:
I noticed we’re +250 to make the CFP - Does anyone know what actually needs to happen for us to make it?
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If you can still find that +250, bet it instead of +150 or whatever they are ML in the game.
 
I thought the UNLV Boise game was in Vegas until Monday or so.

Dunno why I thought that was a neutral site game.

Last year these two played at the Death Star.

Two years ago it was Fresno @ Boise.

I still think UNLV can win, but let's check that forecast!
 
B.A.R. said:
I thought the UNLV Boise game was in Vegas until Monday or so.

Dunno why I thought that was a neutral site game.

Last year these two played at the Death Star.

Two years ago it was Fresno @ Boise.

I still think UNLV can win, but let's check that forecast!
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My dumbass was thinking for two months it was in Vegas. Dumb.
 
B.A.R. said:
I thought the UNLV Boise game was in Vegas until Monday or so.

Dunno why I thought that was a neutral site game.

Last year these two played at the Death Star.

Two years ago it was Fresno @ Boise.

I still think UNLV can win, but let's check that forecast!
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High 38°
Low 24°

So 6:00 local start you'd figure lower 30s to start, high 20s to finish. Wind shouldn't be an issue.
 
B.A.R. said:
I thought the UNLV Boise game was in Vegas until Monday or so.

Dunno why I thought that was a neutral site game.

Last year these two played at the Death Star.

Two years ago it was Fresno @ Boise.

I still think UNLV can win, but let's check that forecast!
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40 and sunny with light winds daytime.

So, conditions should be pretty solid at night.
 
Frank Costanza said:
Elaborate.
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NFL is broke down into divisions and you play every team in your division twice and then other teams in a 32 team league where the talent is in theory pretty close....now you go to college football, where you may play a team in your conference 1 time.....and then you play a few random games.....so the Dolphins vs the Jaguars is gonna typically be more competitive than Bama vs Kent St.....the gap is wide and deep from top to bottom....thats why SOS is so important in CFB....so if you have 3 losses and played a top 10 schedule.....that outweighs losing 2 games vs the 80th ranked schedule......
 
longshotsws said:
I like Texas in the SECCG.

I’m not certain about Oregon / Penn St. My initial lean is on Oregon. I may be guilty of overthinking this, but from a seeding perspective, it may be more advantageous to lose this game… how do you play a game where both teams have questionable motivation? While common sense, would be to leave it alone, the degenerate in me likes the under.
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Oregon I can see, but I don’t think you have to question Penn State’s motivation in this one. They will want to win badly to get the Mouse off their back and Franklin is not smart enough to see advantages to losing the game.
 
Nothing worse than “Team A would be favored over Team B on a neutral”…

Why even play the games? Ole Miss loses to Kentucky laying 15, Irish lose to NIU laying 30 and Bama loses to Vandy laying 21 etc etc, happens all the time. Reward the teams that won the games and move on.

If Sellers didn’t get hurt Cocks beat LSU for sure, that one stinks for them.
 
Rusty Trombone said:
NFL is broke down into divisions and you play every team in your division twice and then other teams in a 32 team league where the talent is in theory pretty close....now you go to college football, where you may play a team in your conference 1 time.....and then you play a few random games.....so the Dolphins vs the Jaguars is gonna typically be more competitive than Bama vs Kent St.....the gap is wide and deep from top to bottom....thats why SOS is so important in CFB....so if you have 3 losses and played a top 10 schedule.....that outweighs losing 2 games vs the 80th ranked schedule......
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SOS is absolutely crucial in this system and that's part of my point - you're going to either get credit or penalized for the quality of teams you're playing and beating. But slicing and dicing the equation and getting into a team that "almost" or "should have" lost to so and so is going way too deep in the mire. No different than me projecting that SMU would have beaten BYU had Kevin Jennings not played on a bum ankle, or whatever. At the end of the day, you either won or you lost the games you played. Then you marry that up with the SOS of the opposition as a vital piece of the rankings process.

At the end of the day we're probably on the same page about things. Anyway, we can all agree that it could well be interesting going into Sunday morning.
 
Frank Costanza said:
SOS is absolutely crucial in this system and that's part of my point - you're going to either get credit or penalized for the quality of teams you're playing and beating. But slicing and dicing the equation and getting into a team that "almost" or "should have" lost to so and so is going way too deep in the mire. No different than me projecting that SMU would have beaten BYU had Kevin Jennings not played on a bum ankle, or whatever. At the end of the day, you either won or you lost the games you played. Then you marry that up with the SOS of the opposition as a vital piece of the rankings process.

At the end of the day we're probably on the same page about things. Anyway, we can all agree that it could well be interesting going into Sunday morning.
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Yep!
 
Haven't followed all this real close but don't the winners of the Championship games get a 1st round bye? I would think that is pretty good motivation right there. Also, agree ND not being in a conference helps them with some of this. But on the negative side they can never get a 1st round bye either. I think. Again, haven't followed all this real close. Also, the CG winner and loser will play 16 games - interested to see how that plays out with injuries and such. Going from 12 to 16 is a pretty big jump. Finally there will always be arguments about the last seed(s) getting in. Hell they argue about the 68th team in CBB. Always going to be subjective.
 
Rusty Trombone said:
When you're talking about the last couple teams to make it in and its a "judgement" call....it 110% should matter who would be favored on a neutral field. If the whole point is to get the best teams in the playoffs....letting the team in "that hasn't had a chance" is just discrimination.....which is why most people that talk about this stuff are hypocritical whether they know it or not. Gotta be objective if you want the truth.....subjective thinking will lead you down a weird path in life and sports/gambling.
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It's also dumb as fuck

If you have to make judgements in this sport, leave it up to the voters after bowl games. It's all rubbish
 
When picking one team among 4 teams ranked 11-14, none of them are going to be a slam dunk choice. If they were, they wouldn't be in this position. You can very easily a compelling for each team to either make or miss the CFP and you wouldn't be wrong
 
lvmike32 said:
Haven't followed all this real close but don't the winners of the Championship games get a 1st round bye? I would think that is pretty good motivation right there. Also, agree ND not being in a conference helps them with some of this. But on the negative side they can never get a 1st round bye either. I think. Again, haven't followed all this real close. Also, the CG winner and loser will play 16 games - interested to see how that plays out with injuries and such. Going from 12 to 16 is a pretty big jump. Finally there will always be arguments about the last seed(s) getting in. Hell they argue about the 68th team in CBB. Always going to be subjective.
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In theory the bye week is a good reward, but in practice it may not be. Because the top 4 seeds are guaranteed to go to the top 4 ranked conference champ, you get a situation where the 5 seed plays the 12 seed in a home game round one, and then plays the 4 seed, which in many years will be a fairly weak conf champ. The #1 seed ends up playing the winner of 8/9 game, which in the current bracket would be Ohio St. They could fix that by re-seeding the round one winners, but of course they didn't see that possibility. They keep trying to pretend that the conferences are all created equal like the NFL, when they just aren't
 
gps_3 said:
In theory the bye week is a good reward, but in practice it may not be. Because the top 4 seeds are guaranteed to go to the top 4 ranked conference champ, you get a situation where the 5 seed plays the 12 seed in a home game round one, and then plays the 4 seed, which in many years will be a fairly weak conf champ. The #1 seed ends up playing the winner of 8/9 game, which in the current bracket would be Ohio St. They could fix that by re-seeding the round one winners, but of course they didn't see that possibility. They keep trying to pretend that the conferences are all created equal like the NFL, when they just aren't
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#BCS
 
Penn St will win and Franklin will finally get the Mouse of not beating top 5 team off his back- only to actually hurt his team because Oregon didn’t really want to win it. And I can’t wait to see it 🤣
 
WolverineWise said:
Penn St will win and Franklin will finally get the Mouse of not beating top 5 team off his back- only to actually hurt his team because Oregon didn’t really want to win it. And I can’t wait to see it 🤣
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This would be perfect

Dead serious as an ISU fan I really want a bowl game in Texas right now. I'm not ready for a conference trophy hoist Sat night to signify impending death the next week
 
As it stands now, there is an acceptable solution for me

Teams who lose in the first round of the ridiculous playoff still get slotted into a bowl game, and a significant one

That would work as a bandaid in this bullshit as a fan and for alumni
 
Keep trying to talk myself out of Oregon and talking myself into Penn State, again, on a big stage. Not working.

Adding and will probably do more before Saturday. Feels like Oregon and 31-21.
 
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UNLV
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This gotta be the play right? I look at this thing til I fell asleep with notebook and pen in my hands working on this game. I like Rebs, jeanty under 171.5 rush, Williams over 183.5 passing at maybe ov 1.5 tds. If memory serves me right Boise did a good job vs white who is like 80% Rebs passing game but Williams ran all over them, I gotta think any coach worth a damn would adjust and attempt to keep Williams in the pocket, Of course that a problem for Boise cause their pass d is horrific! If they do in fact back off the blitzing and focus on controlling gaps I think Williams will pick them apart. I just can’t imagine they would come with the fans game plan where he ran for way over 100 yards. Love thexe nice low passing prop numbers, they can be hit with so many different game scripts! Def like the Rebs tho, it was so close the 1st time and think they have more adjustments they can make, Boise adjustment would almost have to be going to air more but I don’t trust madsen, Rebs just seem like the better team to me, I think their d better and the offense has more options than being so dependent on one guy.
 
Frank Costanza said:
Keep trying to talk myself out of Oregon and talking myself into Penn State, again, on a big stage. Not working.

Adding and will probably do more before Saturday. Feels like Oregon and 31-21.
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Havnt looked at game but I can say with supreme confidence there like no way I could bet pen st, I never bet them vs osu and ducks have seemingly took osu spot atop the big10 so no chance I bet pen st vs the big10 top dog, it just not in their dna to win that game!
 
CPA-hole said:
I was thinking the MW was going to be in Vegas, but it's in Boise. I still think UNLV is a better team right now, but a Friday night in cold Boise is gonna be a tall task.
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Agree. Def tough but I think Rebs are so much more diverse, they should be able to make adjustments off the 1st meeting while what is Boise gonna do? Try to throw more w Madison? Good luck! Think Boise d has a real issue, what they do best is get after the qb but that leaves them in man and gaping holes for Williams to run thru! He went for over 100 on the ground the 1st meeting. The obvious thing to do would be pull back on the pass rush and control their gaps but Boise secondary is not good so if they let Williams sit back there all comfy I don’t think the Boise secondary will hold up and he has a big passing game. Rebs do need someone other than white to step up cause you gotta imagine he will get a bunch of attention but Boise secondary is so bad I think other guys will be open. What can Boise offense do differently? Try to pass more w madson? Good luck with that? Rebs are just a more well rounded team imo, that should be a huge advantage in a rematch.
 
KJ said:
This would be perfect

Dead serious as an ISU fan I really want a bowl game in Texas right now. I'm not ready for a conference trophy hoist Sat night to signify impending death the next week
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I think ya’ll going to the playoff. I havnt dug real deep into that gams yet but my 1st thought was Rocco not losing this game
 
I like Tulane on paper but are they demoralized after blowing any shot at the playoff? @twinkie13 what you think their mindset is like here? It’s the only thing that doesn’t make me love the green wave.
 
I’ll bet ducks all day every day and twice on Saturday. Mr peanut could never beat osu (or any top 5 team im aware of) I’m not sure why he be able to beat a team that probably better than osu? Imo they should have lost to the gophers, that the class the belong in, maybe top of that class but pen st has been pulling the Iu trick for years where they never beat anyone good and somehow finish a top 5 team. I think ducks run their asses out the building !
 
2daBank said:
I like Tulane on paper but are they demoralized after blowing any shot at the playoff? @twinkie13 what you think their mindset is like here? It’s the only thing that doesn’t make me love the green wave.
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That's my wondering...

Plus playing at Michie.

Tough situation.
 
2daBank said:
On the other hand army has navy on deck which I assume is vastly more important to them?
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That's a great point as well.

Unique situation as Army playing the week before Navy has to be unheard of??

Gonna dig more on these after I get back from honey duties.
 
Might need its own post but wearing ISU gear in Phoenix AZ has been fun

It would likely get me stabbed in Tempe by someone who never sniffed getting accepted into college.

First time ever ISU has met ASU in football
 
Few Notes from Boise St UNLV first meeting ...


Remember Boise ran out the last 8:07 of game action.

UNLV had moved into Boise territory with 10 mins left. A 15 yard unsportsmanlike and a sack led to a punt.

They would never see the ball again...

This was the first game, I believe, Jeanty was held in check. He finished 33-128. He grinded out 26 yards on that 8:07 fourteen play drive to end the game.

Stats were similar overall. UNLV has more ypc and ypp though. Boise controlled the ball a bit better and won TOP with that final drive.

One turnover UNLV. One missed FG, also UNLV.

Williams accounted for 284 of the 367 yards for the Rebs.
 
Besides all the plays on rebs
W the points and props I don’t know I love it but I just trust Tulane to stop the option so riding with the green wave to get it done.
 
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