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CFP Who Gets In Discussion
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Inspekdah
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This QB is horrific.
That 1993 Notre Dame vs FSU game was actually the second to last week of the season. BC was ranked #17 at the time and beat ND on a last second FG. In my opinion the Irish deserved at least a share of the National Title that season.
As for the current debate with Miami I guess people can look at it a number of ways. Miami beat ND in week one and were rewarded at the time and moved up in the rankings. Later in the season they lose to Louisville and SMU. Now that the season is over, they want to be rewarded again for beating ND in week one. Miami should have beef with the ACC and how stupid their rules are and not Notre Dame.
Ole Miss already beat Tulane 45-10 earlier this year. Not sure I want to see that again...I'm thinking the committee will try to avoid any possible rematches for as long as they can but who knows for sure.
twinkie13
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Send em to Oregon?
cubsker
Used to be "Fun Cub"
Could easily argue for a 3 way split of the 93 title. Nebraska lost by 2 to FSU in what was basically a road game and were completely ass fucked by rigged officiating that cost us 14 pts.
FSU lost to ND and then the ND loss you mentioned above.
That's a possibility too...I'm not sure they will be able to hang with any of them though.
I think Auburn was undefeated that year as well but on probation...The pollsters at the time just wanted Bowden to get one imo.
cubsker
Used to be "Fun Cub"
So did the officials I guess.
twinkie13
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I don’t know. I’d like to see Ole Miss w/o some staff members.
Good call on the FSU v ND game being so late in the season. I had forgotten that. I do recall it was very soon after (the next weekend in fact as you said) that they lost to BC on that late FG. I agree about ND deserving a shot but the logic back then was basically that FSU losing at ND was more "forgivable" than ND losing at home to BC. Also, in the back of some of the voter's minds was that Lou Holtz won a natty in 1988 and Bobby Bowden had not yet won one. There had to be some sympathy in there too.
Re Miami, do we only focus on the Louisville loss and the SMU loss? (both are going to be in bowls) or we do give them credit for beating "then #18" USF by 37 points, "then #18" FSU in Tallahassee, and "then #22" Pitt at their place by 31 just a week ago?
That's true. I wasn't thinking at the time that Kiffin had left for LSU. That could be interesting...Funny how Ole Miss moved up in the CFP rankings last week with Lane bolting.
yes, they went 11-0 under terry bowden. great memory.
then in 97 or 98 i think tulane went undefeated under tommy bowden?
lots of great coaching by bobby and his sons.
Good point and the same argument could be made for Notre Dame. Their two losses were by a combined 4 points and if the refs had thrown the flag on a blatant holding call that A&M scored the winning TD, on ND would most likely be a lock at 11-1. In my opinion both teams are deserving but not sure if there is any way that is possible.Good call on the FSU v ND game being so late in the season. I had forgotten that. I do recall it was very soon after (the next weekend in fact as you said) that they lost to BC on that late FG. I agree about ND deserving a shot but the logic back then was basically that FSU losing at ND was more "forgivable" than ND losing at home to BC. Also, in the back of some of the voter's minds was that Lou Holtz won a natty in 1988 and Bobby Bowden had not yet won one. There had to be some sympathy in there too.
Re Miami, do we only focus on the Louisville loss and the SMU loss? (both are going to be in bowls) or we do give them credit for beating "then #18" USF by 37 points, "then #18" FSU in Tallahassee, and "then #22" Pitt at their place by 31 just a week ago?
Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think that ND would be favored in just about any team currently "in" with the exception of Ohio State. They certainly would be favored against Miami.
I forgot about him at Tulane. He went 11-0 in 1998...I had to look it up, lol.
twinkie13
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Oh I didn’t forget that one lol
The elixir for a playoff. Tulane got fucked that year, beat the shit outta BYU in the Liberty Bowl.
Tulane would’ve beat many teams that year.
Inspekdah
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I would lay up to 14 in South Bend if they ran it back vs the U
Just a guess but I would think Notre Dame would be about a 7.5 point favorite over the Canes.
twinkie13
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No way
Inspekdah
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Over everyone maybe besides Georgia and that would be close to a PK. Since being the perennial joke under that murderer Brian Kelly in these playoffs often losing by 3 touchdowns they’ve caught up to everyone. I’m not a ND fan but they’ve been crushing opponents since a rocky start. Best team they’ve had in 30 years.
twinkie13
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I’ll believe it when I see it
Inspekdah
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Yeah, this is too much. Then you add in what will be a horrific bowl season with teams desperate to field rosters with the timing of the transfer portal crap. Makes no sense. Poorly run.
What safety?
There are double digit teams playing this weekend in conference championships.
So, the idea of an extra game being harmful doesn't have merit.
One thing 2020 showed is these schools CAN schedule a game within a season with no problem. The myth of having to schedule games years out was somewhat wiped away.
As long as the venue is game ready and no travel concerns -- this shouldn't be an issue.
What's the issue? You're going to have people on both sides afraid of 'something'. They'll find something to nitpick.
I'll say, once the final model is complete -- if they still want to have conference champ games then I would think this might become a bigger thing -- scheduling a Championship Week game as basically your own play in.
Hopefully it doesn't come to that and they find a model that takes away meaningless games. Shall see.
I like taking some basics of Gruden's idea and building on that. Or, basically, take away champ games and expand the playoff. I've always been against more than 16 playoff teams -- BUT -- take away that conference champ game and use that week as your extra week -- I'll bite.
Starting to think there are too many playoff teams lol. Alabama after the SEC title game, BYU, Miami, and Notre Dame all seem pretty unimpressive from a resume perspective. But I don't know how you keep out Bama without motivating future teams to decline SEC title game participation.
Conference realignment also a bad idea. Idk why teams would want to join the SEC and incur a greater risk of losing three games. Should Miami get in because it didn't play in a tougher conference? We seriously need the BCS back to compute the significance of these huge differences in strength of schedule
DOUBLEUP4LIFE
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Alabama and BYU should be out imo ..
If the TIDE can't run for 5 yards we don't need to see them play another game
If the TIDE can't run for 5 yards we don't need to see them play another game
By the stupid commitee's logic, shouldn't Bama's loss today make its win at Georgia look even more impressive?
But who gets in instead? Texas with three losses? Miami who has two bad losses? Irish who lost to Miami?
DOUBLEUP4LIFE
Proud Member of Bills Mafia
Texas held Oklahoma without a TD , Was up huge on Vandy (34-10) before they took the foot off the pedal, and dominated A&M
Sure the Florida loss looks bad , but they should be rewarded for playing Ohio St out of conference....
All that being said , Texas isn't getting in , but I think they're way better right now than Miami, BYU, and they'd probably roll the Tide too .
Notre Dame looks like a completely different team now than they did vs Miami ..
Virginia should play JMU for the almost got in bowl lol ...Would love to see Duke win tonight
just to fack things up further ...Wait I take that back , always root for my friends here at CTG'S squads ( VirginiaCavs) ...Also know a few other Hoos in the flesh..
Think we're real close from no conference championship games and the SEC/BIG10 Never scheduling anyone with a pulse out of conference..
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Frank Costanza
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Cristobal couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag but in what world does head to head not trump everything else?
twinkie13
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Totally agree
Pay Day
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How many they beat this year
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
All homerism aside, there is no world where Notre Dame and Miami should be in over Alabama. Today was bad no doubt. But Miami couldn’t make a conference champ game that was won by a 5 loss team, and they beat ND. 3 SEC teams comfortably in the field got to watch games on TV today while we sent a MASH unit team out against a team we beat on their own field today. I have no idea what the committee will do tomorrow, but if they leave out Alabama, good bye conference championship games (good riddance) and compelling OOC games
twinkie13
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All bullshit aside, I hope Bama gets fucked.
Never on the wrong side of these. At least not enough for me.
The last time we had controversy over Bama the sports book odds were pretty telling, or where they!?
I remember midnight the night before there was a strong number. And then it moved one way big time around 10am.
Which year was that!?
I think 2022. Tcu year?
I understand the sentiment on the number "3".
The issue is playing an extra game -- and that game was versus the #3 team in the country.
We really need this final product of a playoff to come sooner rather than later.
I agree with you on that. Oklahoma is quietly skating through all of this because of their late season win over Alabama.
Notre Dame is light years better than their week one loss against Miami.
If teams are able to benefit from winning a conference championship game, when they get dominated in one, they should expect a drop. To me, the committee jumped Alabama last week in anticipation of a loss this week, so a loss wouldn't drop them out. However, I also think the committee expected a much closer game and not Georgia blowing them out. If I have more rushing yards watching from my sofa than Alabama does in the game, then a drop out of the playoffs wouldn't shock me, especially since it's their third loss.