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Lareux
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It doesn't have to be a few years. Brady didn't start his rookie year...the only reason he played is because Bledsoe got hurt or he would have sat longer.
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It doesn't have to be a few years. Brady didn't start his rookie year...the only reason he played is because Bledsoe got hurt or he would have sat longer.
hugh613
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I think Romo might have sat for a year or two as well...
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Lareux
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Rivers didn't start right away. Did Brees even start right away?
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
He would have been cut and jumped ship a couple times before starting his State Farm agency
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Lareux
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Okay, sure. Brady doesn't fit the "team being fortunate" angle anyway since every team passed on him 5 or 6 times.
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Lareux
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It's quite possible. We can only really talk about what happened though right? We could make hypotheticals for every player and every team for the next month or two if we really wanted to. Let's just deal with what actually happened, seems easier that way.
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Lareux
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Brees sat for a season as well.
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Lareux
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Eli Manning played 9 games his rookie year. Jay Cutler played in 5.
hugh613
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The thing is, there's so few competent QB's league wide nowadays and with the rapidly changing nature of the league from run first to pass first, I don't think any franchise can justify having a first round pick hold a clipboard for two seasons anymore...
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Lareux
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Until it starts working more often than it fails, I don't know how they can justify playing them before they're really ready though. These teams that haven't won in years (or a decade plus in a few cases) have done nothing more than set their franchises back another couple of years by starting the rookie QB.
I'm sure we could compile a list of guys who were drafted and started in their rookie year in the past decade. A vast majority of those guys probably aren't even in the NFL anymore, and there's probably only a handful (if that) who are currently franchise QBs.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
No new head coach can justify that since they are given roughly two years to make a difference, unless they go to a good organization (Pittsburgh for instance) that is stable.
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Lareux
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Right...which was the actual starting point for this conversation....coaches getting fired as often as they do, and getting such a short time to win makes little sense when GMs and front offices keep making poor choices on the players (specifically QB) those coaches have to work with. It's like these teams are just chasing their tails over and over and over again.
hugh613
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How about only drafting college QB's from pro style offenses then? That would eliminate at least half the guess work...
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Lareux
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Agree 100%.
It really does still boggle my mind that these teams continue to make the same mistake over and over again with the flashy, running, athletic QB who they think will change the game. How many times has that been said? How many times has that come true as of right now? Yet it's going to happen yet again this year with Mariotta and Winston. Maybe one of them will be successful, but based on past performances of Heisman trophy winning QBs, the odds aren't with them. But some team will take each of them waaaaaay too high in the draft, and be stuck with a Geno Smith, Jamarcus Russell, etc, etc, etc.
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dudleysdad
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please remove doug pederson from this list
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tipyerbartender1
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Lots of guys, it's becoming more prevalent. Cam Newton and Russ Wilson, squaring off tonight, started right away, right? Andy Dalton. Big Ben started the third game of his rookie year. Brady started the third game of his second year. Flacco started right away. RGIII, Eli, Stafford, all right away. Further back, Troy Aikman started right away. Dan Marino. Your boy Jim Kelly, although he had some seasoning in the USFL.
Point is, it can be done. By the good ones.
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dudleysdad
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Or sign a free agent qb with experience. Not a Brian Hoyer tho
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tipyerbartender1
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Browns have had such a problem at the position, I really wouldn't mind them going out and acquiring a guy someone else is tired of. Cutler, Stafford, Eli, Foles, Kaep, I'll take any of those guys.
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dudleysdad
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Tip. They drafted Manziel and ur going to have to live with him for a yr at least
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tipyerbartender1
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But I really don't want to.
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dudleysdad
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Reach out to Johnny, help him get off the booze. U and skip bayless can team up.
