Armed Forces Bowl Discussion (Navy v Middle Tenn)

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For the lucky ones that are off today, you got a full slate of games, beginning with this terrible game at 11:45am est.

Post some thoughts, I will do the same.
 
true degenerate game...see no edge either way, only reason to bet would be to have action on the only game on
 
I see a few things that catch my eye. Navy off a public thumping of Army. A game I felt lucky to cover. Also, MTSU went into Atlanta and beat GTech last year. Yes, last year but clearly their preparation for the option works and now they get a nice break to try that again.

is the public all over navy? I don't trust my #s.
 
Also Navy was completely outclassed last year in their bowl game. Yes they were huge dogs but the break didn't help much in terms of preparation, etc. Just some thoughts. I hate going against the academies.
 
Nice motivational angle for MTST:

Middle Tennessee State finished the 2013 season on a similar roll to Navy, winning five straight games. The Blue Raiders are also looking to make up for last year, when Rick Stockstill and his players felt they were snubbed by the bowls after losing the regular season finale, 45-0, at Arkansas State to finish with the same 8-4 record.

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"We got shafted out of going to a bowl by the Sun Belt because we were switching leagues to Conference USA," said Stockstill, who has led the Blue Raiders to five bowl games in eight seasons. "We're excited about it, especially after what happened last year, [it] just amps it up a little more."
 
After the big emotional army-navy games it's not surprising that navy's bell record is so bad... They do play right before the bowl games right?
 
Navy hopes to reverse bowl fortunes vs. Middle Tennessee State
Since Ken Niumatalolo took over as coach, Midshipmen are 1-4 in bowl games
December 29, 2013|By Don Markus, The Baltimore Sun
The Navy football team has accomplished all of its preseason goals in 2013: the Midshipmen beat both of their service academy rivals to retain the Commander-in-Chief's Trophy for the second straight year and won the requisite number of games to earn a bowl invitation for the 10th time in the past 11 seasons.


With four consecutive wins, Navy (8-4) now wants to do something it hasn't done since 2009 — win a bowl game. The Midshipmen will get that opportunity when they meet Middle Tennessee State (8-4) on Monday in the Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl in Fort Worth, Texas.








Coming off blowout losses to Arizona State (62-28) in last season's Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl in San Francisco and to San Diego State (35-14) in the 2010 Poinsettia Bowl, Navy last won a postseason game over Missouri (35-13) in the Texas Bowl in Houston.


"Last year in California kind of left a bad taste in my mouth," Navy sophomore quarterback Keenan Reynolds said recently. "For the seniors, you want to send them out on top. We haven't had a bowl win in a while here, we're definitely eager to get back on track. What happened last year, we don't want to feel that way again."


Navy coach Ken Niumatalolo, whose six-year record (48-30) is the best in school history, knows that his postseason record isn't very good. Since taking over for Paul Johnson at the end of the 2007 season and starting his head coaching career with a 35-32 loss to Utah in the Poinsettia Bowl that year, Niumatalolo is 1-4 in bowl games.


Asked if he changed his team's preparation or routine going into this year's bowl game, Niumatalolo said, "Maybe eat a little bit more, but that's about it. If you look at my bowl record, I have a horrible bowl record, so I'm still trying to figure it out."


The Midshipmen had some light workouts after their Dec. 14 win over Army in Philadelphia because of conflicts with final exams. Niumatalolo allowed his players to go home for a few days to celebrate Christmas with their families before flying down to Texas on Friday morning.


"We're just trying to make sure our preparation is as pure as it can be, but I want our guys to have fun, too," Niumatalolo said. "We don't want to practice nine hours a day or anything like that. We just want to make sure our preparation is pure and clean, and when it's time to have fun, it's time to have fun. And we'll see what happens."


Since Ricky Dobbs led the Midshipmen to victory at Reliant Stadium four years ago over heavily-favored Missouri, Navy has struggled with how to balance enjoying the bowl trip with playing in the game.


If the sloppy field in San Diego three years ago was partially to blame for Navy's loss, last season's embarassment was mostly due to Arizona State's advantage in size and athleticism.


"You just try your best," Niumatalolo said. "You just try to do the best you can with the time allotment. We didn't play very well, but last year was last year. Hopefully, we can play better."


Middle Tennessee State finished the 2013 season on a similar roll to Navy, winning five straight games. The Blue Raiders are also looking to make up for last year, when Rick Stockstill and his players felt they were snubbed by the bowls after losing the regular season finale, 45-0, at Arkansas State to finish with the same 8-4 record.






"We got shafted out of going to a bowl by the Sun Belt because we were switching leagues to Conference USA," said Stockstill, who has led the Blue Raiders to five bowl games in eight seasons. "We're excited about it, especially after what happened last year, [it] just amps it up a little more."


Navy senior linebacker and co-captain Cody Peterson said he can sense a bit of urgency about this year's bowl game.


"Before the season, we made it one of our goals not only to go to a bowl game, but to win the bowl game," Peterson said Friday. "It's supposed to be a fun event, but when it's time to work, you have to get to work. We need to get the most out of practice and the most out of film, and be able to focus when it's time to focus."


don.markus@baltsun.com
 
Only five active MTSU players on the current roster have played in a bowl game before.

It seems like this is a real "superbowl" type game for MTSU.
 
This game will feature the worst broadcast team in ESPN history:

ESPN will televise the game with Beth Mowins, Joey Galloway and Paul Carcaterra on the call.
 
MTST just 1-4 against bowl teams...They beat Marshall by 2.

Navy 1-2 against bowl teams...They beat Pitt and nearly beat ND.

Overall, Navy has played better teams and has fared better against the "good" teams.
 
I see a few things that catch my eye. Navy off a public thumping of Army. A game I felt lucky to cover. Also, MTSU went into Atlanta and beat GTech last year. Yes, last year but clearly their preparation for the option works and now they get a nice break to try that again.

is the public all over navy? I don't trust my #s.

Nice point on Ga Tech
 
MTST has put up 40+ points in 4 of its last 5 (all wins)

Navy has put up 34+ points in its last 5 (4 of 5 were wins)

Total might be a bit low today...
 
I went with Navy -7 for .5 units

In the end, I liked Navy's schedule and I didn't like how MTST played against better teams.
 
I guess I am not seeing where mtsu had success defending the option. 119 pts allowed the last three times they have faced it ( or basically 40 pts per game allowed ). Their win against gt last year was because GT allowed a ton of points playing without both starting outside linebackers the week after they blew a huge fourth quarter lead to the Miami Hurricanes. It was a horrible spot for GT. Even there gt scored 28 .... so not sure that counts as stopping.

mtsu should be able to throw it around on navy....

Navy highly motivated for the game imo
 
navy lost half their oline on second drive of the game... gonna have to pass to win .. kind of windy
 
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