Anyone up for some discussion on the Friday card?

SportsNut said:
Killa - I just like to know why I am wrong


Losing doesn't necessarily equal wrong. The Heat and Pistons did absolutely jack shit between 5 minutes to play and, well, the end of the game...

you noted several minutes of dick jerking at the end of the 1st half. Sometimes, the shots just don't go down.............

I get mad when I think refs blew a series of calls that affected the game.......the pacers/GSW game comes to mind with that goaltending that wasn't called and the pass to the other end where o'neal was just waiting. He didn't bother to run the court. Demoralizing the Pacers turned into a 4pt turnaround and it energized em.

I don't think I made a bad bet......I just think I lost one. It happens. It sucks, but it happens. Gotta win some tomorrow. No big deal.

..................you don't flat bet do you, SN - and that was a big bet?

that would explain the anger...
 
note: bet pretty much all laker 3rd quarters, they come out and put it up after halftime. That or play their team points prop
 
yeah pretty much red....I dont flat wager often....

I was wrong here though...I would NEVER take an over if one team was off for 3 days let alone 5...I guess I feel there is always two scenarios ...the game either follows Path A or Path B.... agther the info and make your decision on which road to chose it doesnt matter what happens on the way there ( meaning the game itself will fuck your mind if you start thinking coulda , woulda , shoulda ...it happens the way its mean to happen) Thats why logical thinking sucks in sport wagering cause you cant predict what humans will do...

there were alot of bad indicators that I saw and noted that I shrugged off. Like the fact they had 83 points with 3 to play but walked into half with 87...I tend to follow totals in that they score 4 points a minute( sort of avg game pace)...how they vary helps me adjust to how many points will be scored for whatever reason the large majority of the time you can get a great feel for 2nd H play by understanding tempo and momentum entering half...here they finished the half flat and played flat in the 2nd H... in LA they finished the half strong offensively looked like it would be about 88 - 90 pts with a couple to play but ended on 94...the pace picked up and we see an explosion in the 2nd H...that factored with the fact they shaded the 1st H total on a 199 /200 total to 95.5 and set the 2nd H total to 103 shows me they expected a high scoring 2nd H....

So these are the reason I get angry I very well aware of patterns and trends that repeat themselves.....I believe everything follows a pattern you just have to be able to spot that pattern and make an informed decision...thats why traders follows chart...they are looking for patterns that repeat themselves.....same crap here....it reallyis teh same exact concepts

I go 9-2 in CBB which I look at for maybe 15 minutes and barely know whats going on with half this teams.......I just see the market has undervalued them aginst what my opinion is of them and half the time I form an opinion on things i am clueless on.....and I could write 3 days worth of shit that I see....

its just odd shit when I was a bond trader I looked at trading screens for 10 hours a day and 50 hours week.....somehow I was able to translate that into looking at sportsbooks screens and make the same obversations....why things happen, why things ar being priced as such and so on....

Its just tough to explain ....

its like I how I know this 2nd H is gonna make a serious run at my 199 and 200 totals.....but convince my brain to do something about it....

the 1st H sees 94 pts the game total closes 199 with somewhat heavy under vig.....the 1st H total is 95.5 which means basically the 2nd H should be 103.5...its 103 but why no vig on the under side?? The avg guy has to be thinking they couldnt crack a 100 in the 1st H they wont do it the 2nd......so the market ( line) is just odd for the 2nd H...factored with a fats pace into the lockerroom...

Perfect example in College is Zaga game...start off on fire offensively have like 25 point sin 5 minutes next time I check back they have like 35 with 8 to play.....and just continue the slowpace till half.....like 67 points....that rapid pace and slow finsih tells you teh 2nd H will play under.....and yor gonmna get an 80 total....its easy and you dont even need to know anything but the scoring pace.....


Basically I am just frustrated at situations I should know better in.....
 
rookie333 said:
note: bet pretty much all laker 3rd quarters, they come out and put it up after halftime. That or play their team points prop

thats true but they also trail alot at half.....alittle tricky when they are up 12 but solid point......
 
well aggravted and disgusted at what shoudl have been...lost big plays on the totals and won smaller plays on the sides.....

nearly swept the board in college though so there was some correct things done.....just about 2 or 3 mistakes away from a huge and satisfying nite......
 
I rambled and confused most of you guys for sure....

So some basketball talk before I turn in...

After I looked at it again I am thinking its probably wise to not PLAY the CAVS minus the small number....read JPicks comments about what was going through his mind...

Lets remember that Cavs have not overcome the Hughes injury and the play clearly shows that IMO....just look at the them since he went down( 0-3 away)...more importantly is CLE still doesnt travel well. Look at ATL at home and from a statistical standpoint its hard to understand how they do it but they are getting the job done...

ATL is 4-3 at home with losses in OT by 1 and 5 , the other loss is vs Milwaukee in which someone hit a buzzer beater....they have beaten some weak teams like Tor , Char , NYK and Orl at home (magic have been weak away).....Cle was favored @ Tor by 2 and lost , favored by 4 @ Charlotte and lost...lost @ Wiz and @ Indy as small dogs...they beat NYK by 6 ..and won @ SA...

Point is ATL at home is probably -1.5 stronger then Char and -1 to Toronto...so then factor that with Cle road totals...

The more I look at Cle is really only about -4 or -5 on neutral courts vs a team like NYK or ATL...they were -5 @ MSG cause NY plays so poorly there I truly think there real home court factor is ZERO...

so say they are -4.5 against ATL on a neutral court they should be -1 or -1.5 on the road but are basically 3...

ATL is 2-2 SU last 4 and the had one loss by 1 pt in Cleveland with Lebron out and lost by 9 athome when they lead by 6 to start the 4th....choke...just like Cle did this year...

revenge is nice but the fact ATL has now gone toe to toe 4 sraight meetings says ATL just matches up and plays well with CLE>esp since they had lost 6 staright to Cavs prior

Hawks 6-7 have 2 bad losses opening nite in Philly and in Orl...they then have a 1 pt and 2 pt loss in regulation(also 5 pt) and 2 OT losses...

they are 5-2 ATS as dogs and have been home dawgs just once....

Hope and pray the squars bet up Cle.....W/o Hughes they ar 2-5 ATS / 3-4 SU . 0-3 Away and 1-6 ATS last 7.....

last home game before west coast trip for A-T-L...

chew on that ....
 
I like the Wiz Over at first glance, then I think about Chris Paul trying to control the game...

I could see a 90-95 type game very easily IMO
 
Well, i see you dont trust Bulls at all in this moment but i must say, success of Bulls depends of how quickly will Ben and PJ fit to system. It looks like they need some time but Skiles told reporters he saw improvement. Hornets are the worst in scoring, 28th in FG% and FTs also suck so imo line is fair there. NO now with injuries just doesnt possess enough offensive power as SF,PF and C are not points machines at all. Now Paul will be guarded by better PG defender Hinrich. Deng is playing well. Gordon and others must prevail in benchscoring. I see -3.5 hcp as pretty fair but i took ML 2.1 with fee so like 1.9 in my local bookie as clear value with big stake. CHI must surf on high wave before long home stay. NO is 8-7 so nothing happens. Still they have 5 days rest then so time to get things together. Again it looks so obvious to me but i dont want to miss a thing like with DAL after 0-4. Fact is CHI lost on west road trip to some better teams and transition of their roster was/is factor. Better oponent for Bulls worse defensive work they couldnt wish as NO Hornets just cant hurt them. GL
 
First let me say good stuff here with this thread. I've been under the weather this week so I havent been posting many thoughts or plays recently, but I'll chime in with these threads when I can. BDK, saw your post at the other place and I agree...there needs to be more substance about the games and less trash. Its almost a no-win situation posting there...and I never get bashed for bad picks and still wonder why I bother sometimes...I know I wouldnt if I got the shit some others get. Anyway, these discussion threads are great....your threads with DanC and Nut 2 years ago at the other place is what made me sign up there in the first place.

Anyway, some quick thoughts...

First some thoughts on revenge. I generally think revenge is better served at home...you beat us at your place now its our turn...especially when home team is favored in both games...like balt/cin nfl and utah/lakers nba last night. Both teams are usually decent enough that theres not a major difference between the 2. Road revenge Im more likely to look for when its a road dog who lost the first game as a home fave. You upset us at our place, now you are favored (and maybe taking us lightly because you beat us at our place, should be even easier at home)...min/no and bos/nyk 2 off the top of my head examples. Im just saying revenge as a road fave is something Im wary of. Obviously to be a road fave in rematch the road fave must have lost at home as a pretty big fave the first time. Big upsets like atl over cle and por over nets you dont see the upset winners as home faves in rematches, meaning you arent likely to have the home team taking the road team lightly thinking 'we beat them already' Home team knew its a big upset and is hungry to show it wasnt a fluke. When its a situation like boston home vs knicks, boston probably thought they had an easy win, and road revenge was served big time by the knicks. Just like port vs nj, atl isnt going to say 'Yes!! we got Cle tonight...we should beat them again' But a home fave who won at the road team might be caught off guard thinking they have it easy, and when its a home fave who lost the first meeting thats the revenge I like the best. Part of revenge is obviously the team who lost first meeting should be fired up, but another part I feel is looking to see if the team who won first meeting might not be as hungry...i.e. letdown..which I see happening more with good teams having letdown against bad team in revenge spot, compared to a bad team having letdown at a rare chance at a sweep. That all said, the fact atl beat cle in OT at cle is the biggest con to my thoughts of playing unpopular small spread home team ATL...and also gives me pause in thinking of playing minny. But there is no way Im playing road teams in those games.

What a shock I love portland tonight. Orlando coming off b2b road dog wins...now a consensus road fave and everyone is on their jock (just like at memphis) Portland's recent lack of success at home makes me like this even more...this team will have its fair share of home dog upsets, and this is the perfect spot imo.

Other thoughts:
sea/ind Im a little surprised seattle is such a consensus play...I thought they might be an unpopular fave given their lack of recent success and indy coming off 2 road wins. I was looking more to fade indy on this road trip, esp after 2 straight road wins, but Im not touching this popular fave. Im not taking the road dog either....pretty easy pass for me. I would lean over but will probably pass as Im worried about indy going 3 straight road games with 100+...you would think they should at seattle, but thats exactly when the unexpected might happen and indy lays an egg.

tor/bos...actually tempted with boston here, but I generally dont like going against toronto at home...no one likes to go there and I always feel canadian teams have a big home edge...another easy pass....over????

was/cha, dal/sac...blah

det/nyk...actually have an over lean with det overs at home and knicks coming off an upset win (which should lead to no D)...both teams in letdown spots which I think happens on the D end

phx/mil...no toucher on the side...phx is capable of blowing this team out, but Im not laying the points. Not that popular of a fave for phx...its because the line looks too high..but its still chalky. I might ride brewers on the over here...usually phx at home is heavy consensus over, now you get an over team with mil combined with a high total and phx home unders and people are scared away...this could be a massive scorefest. 5 straight homeunders for phx and milwaukee coming off road dog win (letdown = no defense) Gotta like jumping on phx over at home when the bandwagon is empty.

no/chi...I know hornets suck right now and have big time injury issues, but this line looks strange...its actually close to the ever so rare unpopular road fave..and thats not surprising as this line looks fishy that chicago is a solid road fave. This looks fishier to me than most 'trap' lines people yap about. Its as tempted as I get to playing a road fave, if I do it will be small. Under is a thought here too but Chicago has been scoring recently, and it maybe a little late with hornets having 4 straight unders and last 3 under 80 pts...thats not going to last forever.

min/den I do lean minny as unpop small fave, but I am wary of the revenge and might just play it small (which I dont post) I usually dont like going over with minny, but they are 5-1 over at home and even if it is denver this total looks too high for a minny game...200+?? They only had 1 total 200+ at home last year...and that was seattle (under) The total was 191 in the phx home game last year. Anyway, I lean over here as my thought process is to go with it...its high for a reason. Denver is such an over team but seem to be a consensus under often with these high lines.

port and atl are both side leans at least...as far as totals. I would generally lean both unders...port as home dog and I usuaully like going under cle games when consensus is on the over (note last game vs knicks a rare cle consensus under) Im just glad I havent been playing atl overs as I realized early on that wasnt going to be cash like its been in the past. Still have a hard time going under with them, esp since I missed the boat. I havent played an ATL total yet this year, and its not starting tonight. Portland I might look for a 2h under if the 1h goes over and port is in the game.

Side leans:
PORTLAND (100%)
ATL, MIN (probably play small)
CHI (tempted but likely to pass)


Total leans:
det.nyk OVER
mil.phx OVER
bos.tor OVER
den.min OVER

Im usually an under player, but tonight Im leaning more overs. I would lean under in port, atl, dal, noh but those are all doubtful.

GLTA!!!!!!
 
First let me say good stuff here with this thread. I've been under the weather this week so I havent been posting many thoughts or plays recently, but I'll chime in with these threads when I can. BDK, saw your post at the other place and I agree...there needs to be more substance about the games and less trash. Its almost a no-win situation posting there...and I never get bashed for bad picks and still wonder why I bother sometimes...I know I wouldnt if I got the shit some others get. Anyway, these discussion threads are great....your threads with DanC and Nut 2 years ago at the other place is what made me sign up there in the first place.

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Lunchbox said:
Anyway, these discussion threads are great....your threads with DanC and Nut 2 years ago at the other place is what made me sign up there in the first place.

DanC is a degenerate junkie and you forgot Joebrensports. :bow:

But there is no way Im playing road teams in those games.
I have slight leans toward both, but not for any special reason other than two splendid fades are on the Wolves and Hawks respectively. If my darts land on those two, I'm jumping in.

What a shock I love portland tonight. Orlando coming off b2b road dog wins...now a consensus road fave and everyone is on their jock (just like at memphis) Portland's recent lack of success at home makes me like this even more...this team will have its fair share of home dog upsets, and this is the perfect spot imo.
I am looking at 1H moneyline or full game ML with Nate's crew.

sea/ind Im a little surprised seattle is such a consensus play...I thought they might be an unpopular fave given their lack of recent success and indy coming off 2 road wins. I was looking more to fade indy on this road trip, esp after 2 straight road wins, but Im not touching this popular fave. Im not taking the road dog either....pretty easy pass for me. I would lean over but will probably pass as Im worried about indy going 3 straight road games with 100+...you would think they should at seattle, but thats exactly when the unexpected might happen and indy lays an egg.

No feedback from somebody I need to hear from concerning the Sonics and haven't been paying attention to them at all, so probably best to pass on this one. (Will email you BDK if I get an update later)

tor/bos...actually tempted with boston here, but I generally dont like going against toronto at home...no one likes to go there and I always feel canadian teams have a big home edge...another easy pass....over????
I don't trust the decision making of Boston's guards on the road.

was/cha, dal/sac...blah
Possible ML on Cats; live betting on ESPN game.

det/nyk...actually have an over lean with det overs at home and knicks coming off an upset win (which should lead to no D)...both teams in letdown spots which I think happens on the D end
Knicks correct side, but passing, want +7' minimum and even if I got that hook, it doesn't tempt me all that much.

phx/mil...no toucher on the side...phx is capable of blowing this team out, but Im not laying the points. Not that popular of a fave for phx...its because the line looks too high..but its still chalky. I might ride brewers on the over here...usually phx at home is heavy consensus over, now you get an over team with mil combined with a high total and phx home unders and people are scared away...this could be a massive scorefest. 5 straight homeunders for phx and milwaukee coming off road dog win (letdown = no defense) Gotta like jumping on phx over at home when the bandwagon is empty.
Will be interesting to see if Stotts goes zone again and how much of a swing it will be in the game when the Suns go through one of their horrid jump shooting sessions. The fact that the Bucks lack a true PG worries me if it is going to be a frenetic pace. Still, I'd lean toward the 10 and the under.
no/chi...I know hornets suck right now and have big time injury issues, but this line looks strange...its actually close to the ever so rare unpopular road fave..and thats not surprising as this line looks fishy that chicago is a solid road fave. This looks fishier to me than most 'trap' lines people yap about. Its as tempted as I get to playing a road fave, if I do it will be small. Under is a thought here too but Chicago has been scoring recently, and it maybe a little late with hornets having 4 straight unders and last 3 under 80 pts...thats not going to last forever.
Might give the Hornets ML a shot here.
Anyway, I lean over here as my thought process is to go with it...its high for a reason. Denver is such an over team but seem to be a consensus under often with these high lines.
I agree as both sides have weapons that can't be contained as far as I'm concerned.

What I'm playing:

Nothing :p
 
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