A thought on Kansas State

Mort The Flying Cow

Pretty much a regular
Kansas State is close to taking over the term "Beamer Ball" from Virginia Tech. Since Ron Prince took over in 2006, the Wildcats have scored 20 non-offensive TDs, including four this season.

In 2007, they had three (INT, KO, PR) against Texas, which was the difference in the game (K-St won by 20). In 2006, they had two against Oklahoma State (Punt Block, KO) and won by four.

Not only do the Wildcats have a propensity to score on D or ST, they are also a big play team (30+ yard TD). Last night is a perfect example. They didn't score a TD on a play under 45 yards (45, 52, 59, 86). This season alone they have scored 11 of their 19 TDs on big plays (30+ yard TDs and D/ST returns).

That means that of their touchdowns, only 42% are drives or short fields. They thrive on the big play. And the big play is a backdoor cover waiting to happen.

Because I think K-St, overall, is not a good team and will struggle in Big 12 play, I'm completely wiping Kansas State off my board. A bad team that can have a run of unexpected TDs can kill momentum and spreads.
 
completely agree...teams like this are very hard to get a solid feel on...very fickle. add to the mix a talented, but extremely inconsistent qb and you have a mess. doubt i'll be wagering anymore of their games either
 
There's more, too. Just didn't want to do ALL the research since I'm at work. But, a lot of their scores this year have also been set up by long plays and turnovers (ie: 70 yd pass results in FG, INT at opp 10, etc).
 
I agree, I was completely wrong about this squad. I would like to add fuck you kansas state you suck!
 
Pretty simple, really. They are terrible on defense. This is the same team that gave up 167 points in their last 3 games last year. Play OVER at any reasonable number you see, particularly with their upcoming schedule.
 
Pretty simple, really. They are terrible on defense. This is the same team that gave up 167 points in their last 3 games last year. Play OVER at any reasonable number you see, particularly with their upcoming schedule.

They are going to have some high totals. Wonder if the OL can protect Freeman long enough to find receivers. Without a running game, they are fucked. Going to be facing alot of nickel packages with Cover 2 and 3.
 
I agree with RJ; their OL/DL play was atrocious against Louisville...and this for a game they were allegedly preparing for all summer. Hard to scheme your way out of terrible line play...these guys will be up against it in the B12. Pencil them in for 5th in the North and Prince for a coordinator job next year.
 
It seemed like Valentine got some yards when they tried to run it.....but they never did....WTF?

I wish Horses....they signed him to a 3 year extension about a month ago.
 
Just to add in :
Past 3 seasons Kansas State is
3-15 on the road now 3-16 with yesterday's loss
0-6 as road chalk

Wins were 1 a season :
@ Texas last year and was due to special teams and such
@ Colorado as 3.5 pt dogs and believe Col was really bad that year was it Hawkins 1st or was that last year ?
@Marshall as DD favs they won by 2 ...

No reason to entertain laying points with them on the road until they give us a reason . Basically why I played the Ville yesterday ....
 
these guys will be up against it in the B12. Pencil them in for 5th in the North and Prince for a coordinator job next year.

5th will be lucky. I had the 6th in the North and 12th in the Big 12. Iowa State is playing ok. And Baylor would beat K-St if they played, behind Robert Griffin.

I'm not sure Prince is a coordinator next job. He's an OL coach and the OL is average at best. He'll join Beamer's staff as ST coach and together they'll block 4 punts a game.
 
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Post-Game Reaction: Whiskey Lullaby

from Bring On The Cats by TB
Last night's final, 38-29, might seem to indicate that this game was a two-score game. To the uninitiated, it might indicate that K-State and UL played a neck-and-neck game, with Louisville pulling away late for the win. If you thought that, you would be very, very wrong.
Ron Prince hit the nail on the head today. There is no silver lining. There is nothing good to take away from this game. Our offense, outside of a few nice throws by Josh Freeman and runs-after-catch by his receivers, was awful. Our defense looked like the defense from the last four games of last year, out of position and missing tackles.
We've had a few discussions recently concerning midweek games, and the exposure they provide. I never thought I'd turn down a chance to watch my Cats on TV, but last night we saw the other side of the double-edged sword that is a "spotlight" game. They're great if you win or play well against a really good team. But when you go on the road and get your ass handed to you by a mediocre Big East team, they're disastrous. Everybody outside Wildcat Nation now has all the proof they need to say, "See, same old Wildcats."
I wish I could argue with them.
What I liked...
A couple nice runs-after-catch by Brandon Banks and Jeron Mastrud. Freeman will be credited with three TDs on the night, and while he inarguably put the ball on target on all three throws, two of the TDs were due to very nice moves by the receivers after making the catch and the other was due to the fact that there wasn't a single UL defender between Banks and the end zone when he caught the ball.
What I didn't like...
Josh Freeman after the first quarter. In the first quarter, Freeman was 7/10 for 125 yards, 1 TD and 0 INTs. Keep that pace up and we're looking at a big night. Unfortunately, it didn't happen. Louisville realized in the second quarter that there was no way in hell we were going to successfully run the ball against them, so they went balls-to-the-wall to put pressure on Freeman, and it succeeded. PB posted, sometime early in the second quarter, that Freeman looked amazing when he stood tall in the pocket and delivered the ball with confidence. In the second quarter, he got rushed, started throwing off his back foot (see first INT, off Murphy's hands), and making bad decisions (see second INT, throwing into double coverage). Interestingly, Jason Whitlock managed to get it wrong while simultaneously getting it right this morning. Freeman was a big part of the problem, but it's ridiculous to say that Freeman hurt the team by throwing long completions for TDs. I don't care how short our possessions are, as long as we put points on the board. The problem is, we don't consistently put points on the board. If your short possessions are three-and-outs, then you're in trouble. You think Mizzou fans are complaining that Chase Daniel and Jeremy Maclin score too quickly? Yeah, didn't think so.
Absolute inability to run the ball. While UL has a good rushing defense, there is no way in hell a K-State team should only rush for 30 yards on 12 carries. There is no single problem with the running game right now for K-State. The offensive line gets no consistent push, leaving our running backs to make moves in the backfield to avoid losses and maybe pick up a couple yards. When our line does execute its blocking well, our running backs aren't good enough to consistently take advantage. God bless Keithen Valentine, he looks like a hard worker, but he is not a playmaker. On our second offensive play of the second half, the line actually opened up a nice hole. Valentine picked up six yards. I remarked to my roommate that a great running back might have broken that one for a long gain, and even a merely good running back would probably have picked up 15 yards. Don't get me wrong, I'd kill for six yards per carry, but our offensive line isn't going to open holes like that consistently, so we need to take advantage of them when they do. God, I miss Leon Patton.
Terrible defensive schemes and worse tackling fundamentals. There isn't much more to be said about this aspect right now, but if I can muster the courage I'm going to fire up the DVR this afternoon and rewatch UL's offensive possessions and keep track of how many times our players missed what should have been easy tackles. Suffice it to say, I HATE the 3-4 and am seriously concerned that Tim Tibesar should have been left as the special team's coach.
Finally, where has bold and daring gone? There was nothing resembling imagination in the play calling last night. It seemed like all we wanted to do was let Freeman drop back and sling the ball all over the field. Which is fine, he's a good quarterback, but the best quarterback won't win a game like that unless he has great players around him (see Daniel, Chase). We didn't even try to run the ball. Not that we were successful anyway. We didn't throw bubble screens to Brandon Banks. We didn't try a halfback pass. We didn't run a reverse to Deon Murphy (he probably would have dropped the ball anyway).
What it means and where we're going...
I'm desperately trying to convince myself that what we saw last night doesn't mean a reversion to the end-of-year slide last season. But I'm having serious issues doing so. In the immediate future, it means we come home to play Louisiana-Lafayette in nine days. The Ragin Cajuns are 0-2 on the season with a blowout loss to Southern Mississippi and a close loss to Illinois. They play their first home game this weekend when Kent State comes to town.
More to come soon.






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A thought an KSU is I'm looking forward to betting against them. They are not fixing that defense this year.

That KSU defense IS one of the worst I have seen, HORRIBLE. Bad angles, biting on play action, undisciplined is the word I would use, running around with no purpose, missing tackles, etc. D-coord horrible. Holtz called it all night that Cantfield struggled with reads, coming from coaches mouth, ala vs. zone. KSU manned up all night and he tore them apart, and Holtz called the route before the touchdown happened. KSU also did not attempt, even attempted to run the ball. I would also say out of a few missed coverages allowing deep ball or bad tackles, Ron English has turned the Ville defense around.

A 300 yard rushing disparity, that game last night was complete domination and Kansas State is complete garbage.
 
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