Fondybadger
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Why the Packers lost
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Smokedawg
Eagles Fan
Dude...first off - sorry man - seriously - that musta been fucking brutal...I dunno what I woulda done if that was the Eagles
They lost that game so many different times it was unbelievable
Mike McCarthy has no one to blame but himself...brutally conservative play calling all game. The mindset obviously spilled over to the moron who picked off the ball and slid down instead of taking the touchdown that was in front of him
Did anyone ask them why they didnt go at Sherman once when he was playing the last 3 or 4 drives with one arm???
They lost that game so many different times it was unbelievable
Mike McCarthy has no one to blame but himself...brutally conservative play calling all game. The mindset obviously spilled over to the moron who picked off the ball and slid down instead of taking the touchdown that was in front of him
Did anyone ask them why they didnt go at Sherman once when he was playing the last 3 or 4 drives with one arm???
wiseplayer
Pretty much a regular
What's bizzare is I thought the conservative approach was set by the Packer DB who intercepted Wilsons pass and slid to the ground rather than try to return it. GB only took 20 seconds off the clock. Packers could not have botched an easier onside kick. Rodgers said it best, this one hurts because of the thought that victory was there when the clock said zero. That might have been the problem when they intercepted Wilson the last time. Instead of playing the game out, they were thinking Victory Formation. Brutal loss.
Wikeman
A Winner in Life
I had Packers +8,5 for 13 units and ML for 1 unit (in game betting). So a good betting day, but a really poor sports day. The worst for me was the fourth and inches for a TD early in the game - they have to play the probabilities for a full TD and not play "safe" for shitty 3 points. McCarthy needs a course in maths: 70%*7pts > 98%*3 pts. He had the top rated offense, so how about trusting that rather than his defense. What a clown.
Coverdatspred
Curious About George Costanza‘s Modeling Career
McCarthy should be the one that has to answer for this loss. First and foremost the ultra conservative approach was ridiculous. You had the best team and best defense in the NFL for the past couple seasons on the fucking ropes and instead of going for the knockout you tried to lull them to sleep by taking field goals. It seemed like the entire second half the packers played the game not to lose instead of to win. None of the whacked situations happen if the Packers go for the jugular in the first half and continue to play to win in the second.
Then you have a multitude of situations that the team should have been prepared to handle that they royally fucked up. Why does the DB fucking slide when he picks off that ball? How on earth does that 2 pt conversion end successful? That ball hung up in the air for 20 seconds and the defense was in position to knock it down but instead they allowed him to catch it. Then the worst fucking mistake of the entire game, the onside kick. How in the hell does Bostick not have it drilled into his head that he is NEVER to try and field that fucking ball? Jordy is sitting right behind him in perfect position to end the damn game but instead a back up tight end lets it clank off his helmet.
This was one of the more brutal collapses I've ever seen and the worst part is I truly believe the Packers would have beat the Patriots.
Then you have a multitude of situations that the team should have been prepared to handle that they royally fucked up. Why does the DB fucking slide when he picks off that ball? How on earth does that 2 pt conversion end successful? That ball hung up in the air for 20 seconds and the defense was in position to knock it down but instead they allowed him to catch it. Then the worst fucking mistake of the entire game, the onside kick. How in the hell does Bostick not have it drilled into his head that he is NEVER to try and field that fucking ball? Jordy is sitting right behind him in perfect position to end the damn game but instead a back up tight end lets it clank off his helmet.
This was one of the more brutal collapses I've ever seen and the worst part is I truly believe the Packers would have beat the Patriots.
Coverdatspred
Curious About George Costanza‘s Modeling Career
Two 18 yard field goals in the first quarter is something I am not sure I've ever seen and I don't know if I will ever see again. Then you have anther field goal from the Seattle 22 on 4th and 1. Three times you need one yard and you are getting yardage at will at that point. If that score is even 20-0 at halftime instead of 16-0 they never come back and win.
wiseplayer
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But what if they go for it both times and don't make it? I have no problem with putting up points early. That's why they had a 16-0 lead. I'm not sure why people feel that's where they lost the game. It was 16-0 with 20 minutes left.
Coverdatspred
Curious About George Costanza‘s Modeling Career
I have no problem letting my defense play with 99 yards to defend in those situations. The Seattle offense was shitting all over itself at that point. That's precisely when you go for the kill.
pressitup
Leader of the Adult Humor Industry
Because you are on the road and have the momentum.
4th and inches. Unless the back falls down , the home team is going to be basically on the goal line should the attempt at a TD fail.
Even if he slips , it's 2or 3 yd line.
At that point , the GB defense mind was filled with "we are crushing them".
When the game was getting away , it was filled with "oh shit, we can't lose this, can't lose this, can't lose this....."
Would you rather be chastised , as a coach, for passing on missed opportunities or for attempting it and failing?
guaranteeed
Pretty much a regular
its not even just those too, like I can't imagine being a packer fan and going through all the what ifs
the two field goals
the slide after the int
the onside kick
haha freezing for 3 seconds on a 2 point conversion that was in the air for what seemed like ever
the odds of all of those going against one team are so minuscule, hurt as someone who had Pack ML, being a fan would have been torture, I would have broken things
the two field goals
the slide after the int
the onside kick
haha freezing for 3 seconds on a 2 point conversion that was in the air for what seemed like ever
the odds of all of those going against one team are so minuscule, hurt as someone who had Pack ML, being a fan would have been torture, I would have broken things
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
It really is amazing how much Seattle's defense dominated that game when you think of all the ridiculous things that happened and the situations they were put in. Green Bay was given basically every opportunity feasible to win as a big road underdog yet still couldn't do it. They couldn't have asked for more opportunities.
guaranteeed
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only thing that I think even comes close is the Leafs/Bruins game 7 two years ago, Leafs up 3 goals on the Bruins with 10 minutes left in the 3rd and lose in OT
Wikeman
A Winner in Life
Don't try to make it sound deserved.
UTSUX
Old-timer
AMEN
Coverdatspred
Curious About George Costanza‘s Modeling Career
I would not call that a complete failure by their offense by any stretch. They absolutely controlled the game, esp in the first half. They moved the ball up and down the field at will. They ran and passed with equal ease. The only thing they did no do is take the necessary chances to convert field goals to touchdowns.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
They failed to take advantage of 6 opportunities inside the 35 in the first half, leaving that great defense on the field for most of the first half. They scored 16 fucking points when everything was handed to them to put up a number in the 30s. Either Green Bay offense failed, or Seattle defense was out of this world. It was a bit of both from what I saw.
How much worse could Seattle play in the 1st half? Yes some of it was the Green Bay defense, a little of it was ARod using snap counts to draw flags and make some of those down/distance manageable, but a ton of what happened to Seattle was self inflicted in the first half yet Green Bay couldn't capitalize. And no one wants to give the Seattle defense any credit?
It's why everyone and their dog is lining up to bet on New England right now, and it's laughable.
How much worse could Seattle play in the 1st half? Yes some of it was the Green Bay defense, a little of it was ARod using snap counts to draw flags and make some of those down/distance manageable, but a ton of what happened to Seattle was self inflicted in the first half yet Green Bay couldn't capitalize. And no one wants to give the Seattle defense any credit?
It's why everyone and their dog is lining up to bet on New England right now, and it's laughable.
RetroVK
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Heh .. I actually agree with everyone. KJ is correct that Seattles defense was constantly put into positions in the first half where they were backed against their goal line (not from gbay driving the field but from turnovers and special teams) and couldn't afford to give up plays. And they rose up and put a bandage on the blood letting by Wilson and the offense and their Special Teams early. the hags ST made up for it later obviously.
Just remember that as bad as Gbay messed up, Seattle still had to recover an onside kick at home to avoid victory formation.
There were so many head scratching plays. The early FG's from the 1 were bad decisions, especially since it appeared Lacy was usually falling forward on his runs and the FB is a solid short yardage runner. The defender sliding down for no reason with tons of time left in the game when he might have scored. Even though it was a bad decision, I give him credit for making a play and at least attempting to think even though he thought wrong. The fake fg succeeding in that spot at this level is not excusable.
Credit to Seattle for not quitting and I feel for the Packers and their fans because they were the better team yesterday despite the scoreboard (though I think Seattle is the better team most days).
Was surreal watching that game,,,,
Just remember that as bad as Gbay messed up, Seattle still had to recover an onside kick at home to avoid victory formation.
There were so many head scratching plays. The early FG's from the 1 were bad decisions, especially since it appeared Lacy was usually falling forward on his runs and the FB is a solid short yardage runner. The defender sliding down for no reason with tons of time left in the game when he might have scored. Even though it was a bad decision, I give him credit for making a play and at least attempting to think even though he thought wrong. The fake fg succeeding in that spot at this level is not excusable.
Credit to Seattle for not quitting and I feel for the Packers and their fans because they were the better team yesterday despite the scoreboard (though I think Seattle is the better team most days).
Was surreal watching that game,,,,
chelseafan
Pretty much a regular
My turning point was the fake FG - GB has an all-out rush on the kick. WHY? I said it when it happened.
The only thing that hurts GB there is a TD so the proper call is a "SAFE" where there is zero rush and an alert for a trick play.
Not only did Seattle get 7 instead of 3 but the momentum swung mightily toward the home team.
My hunch is that if Carroll kicks the FG or that fake gets blown up, its GB vs Pats in two weeks.
That is piss-poor coaching right there for all to see.
The only thing that hurts GB there is a TD so the proper call is a "SAFE" where there is zero rush and an alert for a trick play.
Not only did Seattle get 7 instead of 3 but the momentum swung mightily toward the home team.
My hunch is that if Carroll kicks the FG or that fake gets blown up, its GB vs Pats in two weeks.
That is piss-poor coaching right there for all to see.
RetroVK
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there was one other thing ... and it turned out to be very important and I would like clarification on it ....
There was a deadball personal foul.. clearly a late hit after the play, and not penalty if it was live action ... so it was definitely thrown for being late. Wilson was sacked on the play and the penalty was declined. Which made me think they called it a live action foul (in which case it is a horrible call because it would have been a legal hit). Packers coaching staff proceeds to do a two man rush with a spy on Wilson (A spy when he has forever to go on third down) and he sits back there forever until a guy breaks free for a big play and a first down... and eventually a td on that drive.
Anyway, I thought how that personal foul played out was huge.
There was a deadball personal foul.. clearly a late hit after the play, and not penalty if it was live action ... so it was definitely thrown for being late. Wilson was sacked on the play and the penalty was declined. Which made me think they called it a live action foul (in which case it is a horrible call because it would have been a legal hit). Packers coaching staff proceeds to do a two man rush with a spy on Wilson (A spy when he has forever to go on third down) and he sits back there forever until a guy breaks free for a big play and a first down... and eventually a td on that drive.
Anyway, I thought how that personal foul played out was huge.
cogenman
Raider Nation for Life
Agree here. The only thing that could get the Seahawks back in the game was a TD, not a fg. Be ready for the fake.
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dilaudid8
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do you think if NE was on the 1 inch line like GREEN BAY was BILL B would be kicking 3 points . that's why you have great coaches and you have losers it was early but you have a great chance scoring a TD . and to tell you the truth i'm not a big SEATTLE coach fan he is good but not even in the same class as BILL b SEATTLE is 100 percent lucky that NE didnt have the ball at the 1 inch line because it would have been a TD not 3 points . the same for SEATTLE coach this guy plays it real close to the vest . BILL B goes for the kill like somebody said NE has a good D and they have a great offence SEATTLE has a real good D you can run on SEATTLE if NE gets 100 yards rushing the party is over NE wins easy .the problem with SEATTLE is that they have a good offence not bad. don't think this is the same as last year with DENVER getting killed blowout MANNING could not shine BRADYS shoes
cogenman
Raider Nation for Life
Julius Peppers told him to slide but he should've just kept going till he was tackled. Stupid fucking decision by the DB.
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dilaudid8
Guest
schrute I watched it on ESPN I agree but he thought with 5 min left the party was over if he get 15 or 20 yards GREEN BAY wins for sure unreal SEATTLE is playing some real bad football well not real bad but not good .you could run all over this team SEATTLE could have lost to CAR 100 percent should have lost to GREEN BAY with a 1 leg qb. 1 time you play bad and you win . you better play better next time they didnt and got lucky this team might not have it this year your not going to get lucky 3 times not with BILL B/ BRADY but at the start of the season I said NE vs SEATTLE with SEATTLE winning the sb wait hold on 2 weeks to think about this baby
P-Unit
Beacon of Calmness
:tiphat:
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dudleysdad
Guest
I wanna see a replay of the db who slide down after his int like there was 30 seconds left in the game
How much room did he have in front of him? Could have gotten in fg range?
Just think that was a major fuck up by the db
How much room did he have in front of him? Could have gotten in fg range?
Just think that was a major fuck up by the db
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dudleysdad
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But he has a ring and the vikes hardly sniff the playoffs
CASH
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why??
He plays defense.. he's job is to not let them score and to try and cause a turnover and if that happens then hand it to his offense... He did his job.....
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dudleysdad
Guest
Lol ok
Then lets have every defensive player who picks off a pass or fumble fall on the spot they get it right?
He could have handed it to his offense with a short field
Ur reply is funny dude
CASH
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Yes, if in the endzone go straight down,, ball goes to 20,,,.. if midfield and not sure ,,,go down and let your offense do their job...
how is my reply funny?
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dudleysdad
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So now ur not sure if at midfield to fall down or try to return it?
CASH
Pretty much a regular
No
if the defensive player has the ball in this case and he is not sure, secure the ball and go down.
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Lareux
Guest
Not sure about what though?
It didn't look like it mattered much in the GB/Sea game, regardless of what the defensive player may not be sure about...he had at least 5-10 yards of pretty open field in front of him, and certainly wasn't in danger of turning the ball back over himself. I just found it crazy because you always see the situation where a guy should go down and doesn't (in the EZ late in a game, game over if he just goes down, etc), and sometimes they end up fumbling it themselves...I'm not sure I've ever seen it backwards though, where the guy went down for no apparent reason with too much time left to be worrying about it in the first place.
Fondybadger
CTG Partner
I think that play is the one I'm most upset about. Just no reason for it. His comments just piss me off too. “At that point of the game, it’s late in the game," Burnett said. "That play, that was an interception. It’s not like that was the determining factor of the game. We had a lot of things go one throughout the course of the game. If we come away with the win, we wouldn’t even be sitting here talking about that. There is nothing that I would change or nothing that I would take back.”
[video]https://vine.co/v/OjtExMPtn39[/video]
If you watch the video the RB is in the flat on other side of field. It was thrown to the underneath receiver. There was five offensive lineman and Russell Wilson, with a ton of space and multiple blockers separating him from the end zone. Worst case Packers have the ball on Seattle 40 or so yard line if he stays on his feet. Very likely in field goal range or a TD though. Just wow. Was pissed at the time because of my team total without thinking the game hung in the balance.
CASH
Pretty much a regular
If the defensive player is not sure what to do .. Run out bounds, try for a td, let the clock run...
Of course it looked like he had 10 yds to run, You saw it on replay or a big screen,,.
The player just made an interception in the biggest game of his life,,adrenaline pumping... He did his job.. Secure the ball.,.
Now the offensive players, coaches do theirs...
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Lareux
Guest
Oh yeah, you're right overall, I'm just not sure it fits into what happened on that play yesterday...because you also have to expect your defensive player to know the situation, and be able to scan the field for at least a second or two...not just slide down immediately which is what he did...he showed that he didn't understand the game situation, nor his position on the field. He didn't even need to know he had 10 yds in front of him, he just needed to realize that there wasn't a Seahawk in his vicinity about to tackle him and start running. He also isn't a DT, or even a LB, he's a DB who should feel very comfortable with the ball in his hands after a pick.
Side note...I'm not sure "adrenaline pumping" fits into any reasoning to use as to why he went down...the adrenaline should have made him want to run with the ball and score (maybe adrenaline is a good reason we see so many guys make the wrong decision not going down when they should).
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Lareux
Guest
The fact that he says he wouldn't take back or change anything he did is almost laughable. I get someone else saying that the game wasn't decided on that play, but for the guy who just slid down for no reason to say it, and then say he'd do it again, has to make you wonder if he is capable of understanding the concept altogether. For the love of Zeus.
Fondybadger
CTG Partner
I'm pissed at a lot of people on that team. He fucked up pointing for him to get down too. Peppers won't be back next year with that 13.5 million cap hit.
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