Week 8 ML Dogs

ProV1Colt

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What a week 7! Thanks again to everyone contributing to the thread!
18 this week, unbelieveable! I did not add Wyoming as they ended up being the fav at kickoff, but beginning the week, they were the dog. Could have another here or there that did the same.

Week 7 Results:
Cuse +1450
Cal +575
UConn +330
S Carolina +121
Rutgers +110
BC +725
LSU +215
Kent St +265
Tulsa +445
Ga St +145
UAB +165
FIU +405
aTm +145
N Tx +110
Arizona +131
Fresno St +118
Boise St +170
Arizona St +700

Below is a link for the odds. I use BOL as the #s above

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-odds/college-football/money-line/?date=20171014


On to Week 8

Good Luck Everyone
-ProV
 
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Best ML Doggs

South Carolina +267, +115, +130, +130
Cal +410, +237, +639

Others with two:
Arizona +211, +148
Arizona St +506, +711
FIU +100, +368
Maryland +664, +416
New Mexico +263, +130
North Carolina State +344, +135
San Diego State +125, +249
UAB +263, +166
 
I'm floored to see my Cats at +10 - +10.5. I was expecting to see +7 at the most. I gotta say my Cats are worth the spare change on the ML next week guys and I'm not just saying that because I'm a homer. Yeah, Mizzou torched our defense for 34 pts and now we go to Miss. State, but we played most of that game without our 1st team defenders. Something like 7 of our front line guys did not play in most or all of that game. Stoops has said we were gassed and needed the bye week. Baity got hurt and left in the 1st half, Josh Allen got hurt and came out, Adrian Middleton & Naquez Pringle both our starting tackles played sparingly that game. And, our best defender, Jordan Jones has been out since Eastern Ky game. Stoops says we will have everyone, including Jones, back and ready for the Miss State game. Expect our defense to play again at the level we saw in Columbia during Week 3.

Furthermore, Stephen Johnson has slowly been becoming comfortable developing the passing game on O. Juice Johnson and Blake Bone have become solid targets to complement TE CJ Conrad & the running of Bennie Snell. Furthermore, expect more and more from Lynn Bowden who is our best freshmen. Offensive Coordinator Eddie Gran likes multiple sets and formations but has been limited with the learning curve of Bowden. The bye week will surely help Bowden get more involved in the offense.

Mississippi State is certainly a quality opponent, is probably the most balanced team the Cats will play thus far this year, and they do have revenge factor in their favor. They rank in the top 50 in both rushing and passing offense and that's a huge challenge for my Cats. But there is one advantage in favor of the Cats I am loving and may fly under the radar a bit and that is turnovers. Ky has a advantage in turnover margin and I'm looking for a pick six next week to help us win. Mullen has been especially tough on Kentucky in the past when he had Zak Prescott and also when he had the bye week to prep. He has neither for this game and Stoops and Gran have the bye week to prep.

Look for this one to go undecided well into the 4th Qtr and Ky will have a solid shot at coming out of Starkville with a win. It's certainly worth your lunch money on a +320 ML.

Good luck in what you all decide!!


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1st run through. Played a few already.

Syracuse +450
Louisville +195
Indiana +230
Oregon +220

BC
UK +345
N Tex
So Miss
Wake

Not all of the MLs have been released on my site. There are a few that are 4 & below that may be worth a look too.
 
Tough to guess how NT will react coming off a huge home game where they had an emotional come back win on essentially the last play of the game.
 
Same can be said about Syracuse. Just banking on the fact that the kids buy in, and I really don’t think the “U” is that good.

As far as N Tex. Not sure Fl Atl is the better team. I feel N Tex has played a better schedule. I would not consider the home field advantage to be 3.
 
Honestly the luck has to run out some time for Miami. As has already been said Rosier sucks, he can't be relied on to pass vs most fbs secondaries. I wonder tho how dungey and co match up against miami's speedy and athletic linebackers
 
Honestly the luck has to run out some time for Miami. As has already been said Rosier sucks, he can't be relied on to pass vs most fbs secondaries. I wonder tho how dungey and co match up against miami's speedy and athletic linebackers
They pursue much like the Noles. A little too aggressive at times. Would imagine they will be in Nickel for much of the game with a youthful backfield, it may be a detriment.
 
Kentucky +330....as per my explanation above.

Ole Miss +220....I am going to be on the Rebels as well. I mentioned it in the Week 7 thread and I'll mention it again but a road favorite in the SEC that opens at -7 just seems like a death nail to me. This is just my gut talking, but it seems like those TD road favorites go down left and right in the SEC. Stock in LSU is high again and ready to burst with a home dog who loves to play the Tigers. PS - and I still don't think the LSU offense is all that great.

Navy +250
....it seems like it's been a while since I've seen the Middies at this much of a dog. Granted, UCF is tough and having a great year but the Midshipmen come to play every week. I think it's worth a shot with that damn triple option offense.

Idaho +465
....I know, I know. I called the Tigers 1st half last week against the Dawgs and it didn't come close and now I'm going against them?? Seems a bit wishy-washy of me and, if so, guilty as charged. Missouri ranks 123rd in total defense and Idaho ranks 30th. Missouri ranks 126th in TO margin and Idaho ranks 106th in TO margin. The strength of schedule is in Mizzou's favor but it's been my experience SOS matters in Weeks 3-7. Past Week 7, I think SOS does not mean much in capping foots anymore. I'm sure people are looking at this game as a game in which Mizzou exorcises some demons (and they could happen of course) but sometimes it's just not that easy. It's weird but this game just seems to me one in which D8 might be interested in. He taught me to try and find dogs with better defenses and senior QBs. I know I'm pushing the envelope as Mizzou obviously has the better QB but the gap in defensive stats and, my feeling we're in the time-frame SOS is no longer relevant, has me interested in this one. Maybe someone can tell us more about Idaho's QB???

Still looking for more....:officebasketball:
 

Idaho +465
....I know, I know. I called the Tigers 1st half last week against the Dawgs and it didn't come close and now I'm going against them?? Seems a bit wishy-washy of me and, if so, guilty as charged. Missouri ranks 123rd in total defense and Idaho ranks 30th. Missouri ranks 126th in TO margin and Idaho ranks 106th in TO margin. The strength of schedule is in Mizzou's favor but it's been my experience SOS matters in Weeks 3-7. Past Week 7, I think SOS does not mean much in capping foots anymore. I'm sure people are looking at this game as a game in which Mizzou exorcises some demons (and they could happen of course) but sometimes it's just not that easy. It's weird but this game just seems to me one in which D8 might be interested in. He taught me to try and find dogs with better defenses and senior QBs. I know I'm pushing the envelope as Mizzou obviously has the better QB but the gap in defensive stats and, my feeling we're in the time-frame SOS is no longer relevant, has me interested in this one. Maybe someone can tell us more about Idaho's QB???
I guess I could have looked it up myself before I posted above. Linehan is a Senior QB with 4V letters....This Idaho +465 pick seems like a D8 special to me!!

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This thread is one of the best every week and I make sure to read it. I am a confirmed dog bettor and this thread kick starts my thinking on which dogs look the best. I prefer the points to the ML, but this thread is a great aid in finding good dogs.

JRock, I agree 100% with your thoughts on road favorites in the SEC. I just proved you were right on the -7 theory by losing on Auburn last week.
 
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Old Dominion +296
A little scary. Dollarz input will be seeked. First time all year that WKU has looked like their former 2016 self last week, but is it real? They've kind of sucked all year and 5 of their 6 games have been against some pretty bad teams (beat UTEP 14-13, beat Ball St 33-21 in misleading final, lost to Illinois). They are last in CUSA in rushing O (avg 100y less per game this year than last year), White's numbers are down (only 7TD through 6 games vs 37 last year), their D only has 6 sacks on the year (also last CUSA - tied 2nd best 2016), they allow the most sacks (18, which is also last - 3rd fewest allowed 2016), their overall D numbers look ok in some games, but again look at the competition they've faced.

I'm looking at ODU and last week was a tough game for them, they played good in the first half, only trailed Marshall 7-3. They outgained Herd 81-21 in 1st qrt and in the first half they outgained, outpassed, outrushed, out first down'd and out TOP'd Herd. Then Marshall woke up in the second half. What really intrigues me was the O output 2 weeks ago vs FAU. That game was 31-21 FAU in the 3rd before FAU just squashed them after that. Cox ran for 200 in that one and last week Lawry played in his first game since week 1, so now they have both together again. The QB position is baptism by fire with the Fr Williams struggling to figure things out, this will be his 4th start - 2nd at home. The ODU D could be of concern, most troublesome against the run, but WKU hasn't run on anyone...less than 500y in 6 games for 2.55 ypc. ODU seems to struggle most vs the run and if WKU wants to throw it 40-50x that will allow a sometimes good ODU pass rush to get pressure against a team that gets pressured alot. That and WKU has proven time and time again against inferior teams that they just are not the same O this year with the system change and the personnel loses.

WKU has kicked most everyone's ass the last couple years. This would be the time to get them as they are definitely vulnerable. No doubt ODU will be up for this game. I do wish however ODU was a little better off at the QB position. I'm not buying that WKU D is as good as some of their stats and scores imply based off competition. ODU should be able to run on them which will make life easier for Williams. Charlotte just ran for 248 on Toppers (7.29 ypc). I believe that ODU has a good home following, not sure if 6:00 Friday start hurts their home field advantage some?

Got the grandkids here, I'll get some more later.
 
Here's some food for thought on OD, s--k. A friend of mine who loves trends sent me this last week. I thought briefly about taking Marshall just based on the trends, but finally passed. I don't trust trends because it is so easy to manipulate them based on where you choose the cutoff point. Every trend on OD is based on a different number of games. But these were so one-sided I saved them to check after the game. In this case they were an accurate predictor.

The Marshall/OD result is not factored in so all the Marshall numbers go up after the win, all those on OD go down.
  • Thundering Herd are 4-1 ATS in their last 5 games overall.
  • Thundering Herd are 19-9-1 ATS in their last 29 home games.
  • Monarchs are 0-6 ATS in their last 6 road games vs. a team with a winning home record.
  • Monarchs are 1-5-1 ATS in their last 7 games overall.
  • Monarchs are 1-6-1 ATS vs. a team with a winning record.
  • Monarchs are 5-14-1 ATS in their last 20 games following a ATS loss.
 
Let's see if I can get an early start on my RR with the Sixers tonight.....3, 4, & 5-teamers with the following:

  1. 10/21/2017 3:30 PM College Football 372 Navy* +245 vs Central Florida
  2. 10/21/2017 12:00 PM College Football 373 Idaho* +465 vs Missouri
  3. 10/21/2017 4:00 PM College Football 375 Kentucky* +360 vs Mississippi State
  4. 10/21/2017 7:15 PM College Football 406 Mississippi* +220 vs LSU
  5. 10/18/2017 7:05 PM NBA Basketball 703 Philadelphia 76ers* +230 vs Washington Wizards
Risking $16.00 (16 parlays at $1.00) To Win $2,794.72

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On Texas this week, Horns absolutely have the defense that can give Ok State fits, pressure Rudolph, etc.

Weighing a Texas + pts play, but am a little nervous about their secondary, think it is the most worrisome part of that game and goes against the strength of Ok St's team.
 
  • Monarchs are 1-5-1 ATS in their last 7 games overall.
  • Monarchs are 1-6-1 ATS vs. a team with a winning record.
  • Monarchs are 5-14-1 ATS in their last 20 games following a ATS loss.

Those ones still apply, like you said now one game worse. I think it is understandable however, I mean I know what I am walking into with them. A team who had no good option at QB from last year, lost their best WR and a team that still has a better D than some might think, but also lost some key guys there.

So the fact that they are 1-6 ats last 7 isn't a total surprise considering they faced Marshall, a rising FAU, VT, UNC, UMass (won by 10), Albany (noncovering win by 14 week 1) and then the 7th game would be last year's bowl which doesn't matter since it was last year's roster. So for me I can rationalize somewhat the Marshall and FAU loses because they had some decent play within those games that got lost in the final scores. And then vs the P5 teams, doesn't need much more said. Weeks 1&2..ODU was trying to figure out what and who they were.

The 1-7-1 trend mostly mirrors the first one since their last 4 games were against teams with winning records, then we are back in week 1 & 2 of this year and end of last year.

The 5-15-1 trend following an ats loss doesn't mean much to me because once you get past this season, some of those ats loses were as favorites and aren't relevant to me.

But I'm not much of a trend guy. Some of them are good, like the ones that apply to a certain opponent as an example of a matchup, personnel or coaching advantage or disadvantage.

I actually toyed with the idea of penciling ODU onto my sheet the last two weeks. I have not watched their games, but there was something telling me this team wasn't going to be bad all year and when the entered CUSA play I wanted to pick a spot. I ended up figuring that FAU and Marshall were too strong to play them against, but now see a vulnerable WKU team. As funny as this is going to sound with 2016 still fresh in our memory, I think that WKU is the weakest team that they have played since week 2. But that is going to be a matter of personal opinion in terms of how much you do or do not value WKU.

It is scary like I said. They have not shown much over a 4 quarter game yet this season. And we know that WKU has beaten them by 35 and 25 the last 2 years. While this ODU team is not as good, primarily at QB - this WKU team appears to be worse across the board.

Paging Dollaz! I'll drop a note in his thread.
 
Can't say for sure I actually play any of these at the moment, but here is what it looks like I would be deciding among:

UConn +195
Funny seeing Tulsa as a road fav. Couple bad Ds here. Before the Temple game UConn was avg 469 ypg O. Temple D is pretty good, so I would suspect UConn has good chance to get back on track this week. The Tulsa D numbers are pretty bad because of who they faced, but have to remember that ULL had 596 on them, 309 passing - season high for ULL. Toledo passed for 458 season high for them. Tulane's 488 rushing, a season high for them. Holding Houston to 404 last week was their best job to date. UConn much the same way, Memphis had 700+, season high. Temple had season high 356 pass yards vs them. 596 yards by ECU, a season high. Both these teams are off misleading and perhaps undeserving wins. Seems like it can go either way.

Temple +203
Reminds me of the Eastern Michigan game last week. Not sure who has better D, but do think that EMich rates higher on O compared to Temple which might be enough to keep me off Owls here. Marchi still learning on the job, but is off some pretty good games last 2 weeks 54-88-700-3-2 as looks like their O is transitioning from a run based to QB pass based system. Definitely felt better about EM O last week than Temple O here. But should be a good matchup to watch Temple D vs Army O. Army naturally good and very confident at what they do and Temple traditionally is tough on D to atleast make Army earn and work for it similar to last week. Problem for Temple is they have shown cases to be a little more error prone, tough to overcome in a game like this.

Boston College +218
Pretty interesting game. UVA playing well, but are off just back-to-back one score games vs Duke and UNC, they trailed at HT vs Duke and trailed 3rd qrt vs UNC...so they aren't just dominating teams. They were the better team in both those games, don't get me wrong, just shows me that their games vs midpack/lower tier ACC teams can be close. Feel that BC was better than a couple of their loses indicated and they finally had a good 4 qrt game last week. UVA solid, but not exceptional or beyond losing a game like this. BC passing game not very efficient, so they will have to make it work on the ground. UNC and UConn ran for 200+ on UVA and Duke outrushed the Hoos so they show some inconsistency there as well.

Bowling Green +416
BG did get a misleading/fortunate win 2 weeks ago vs MiaOh, but last week played better than the final would show vs Ohio. Think Ohio is definitely a better team than NIU right now. BG also was the victim of a misleading loss to Akron. They are avg 228 rushing yards last 3 weeks vs Akron, Mia, Ohio generally not the worst MAC Ds. The QB play remains a concern and the BG D isn't likely to win the game for them. But NIU O is rather underwhelming, they will probably enjoy facing BG D though. I really have felt and remain unimpressed with this NIU team. Granted their game vs SD St was pretty good, I'll give them that. This one not for the faint of heart, I probably take a stab at the spread, not sure on ML but I'm putting it here because I think there are some signs of life out of BG and haven't seen much to be impressed with out of NIU so upset here won't surprise. Historically this would be a knee-jerk NIU play...not a good matchup for BG except for that one year that NIU was down to their 4th string QB or whatever in MAC Title game. Last year a close game early spiraled out of hand.

Syracuse +601
I'll give them a punchers chance. An anticipated let-down for Cuse could be countered by Miami coming off of back-to-back tough come from behind final play wins. Can't believe this is the first time they have played as ACC members. I think Cuse O has a chance to move the ball ok behind Dungey. Last week we saw the best of the Syracuse O this year, they had some nice plays drawn up and proved they can move it vs good D. We saw their OL got eat up pretty good at times too and that is still going to be the biggest concern here, but last week proved a poor OL vs superior DL alone can't stop them from moving the ball. Hard to expect Cuse to be able to have much of a running game outside of Dungey, but I'm ok with Dungey doing it all. Miami O is going to be tough for Cuse, they still aren't that good on D, improved yes, but not anything that will cause opponents to stay up at night. It may be an anomaly that evens out, but their 3rd down D has been really terrific (24%). Cuse has a couple pretty good LBs, but an O like Miami that can run and throw good is going to stress them. I think there is potential for Cuse O to hold their own, but it comes down to what kind of plays the D can make - it's going to be hard, but not out of the possibility.

Baylor +267
Prior to last week I would've said I like the progression this Baylor team had been making. After some early signs of competitiveness Oklahoma St righted their ship and blew their doors off. Still think that this Baylor team has come a long way since some of their embarrassing losses and poor play to open the year. And what do you really think you are going to get with WVU? They've been pretty up and down. Played good enough most of the game to beat TCU, but the D looked pitiful vs Kansas. And last week they were on their way to being embarrassed at home to Texas Tech (down by 18) - WVU couldn't stop the run or pass and thankfully for them TT stopped themselves too often and lost momentum at the wrong time. WVU couldn't run the ball on TT - I mean TT D has shown nice improvement, but that was a surprise last week. I think Baylor can run it good enough and Zach Smith is good enough to give Baylor a chance on O. Now the D is another matter, it's bad and I can't spin it any other way.

Fresno St +237
This Fresno team has been hot last 3 weeks so they will have confidence coming into this one. The challenge gets much tougher for them this week. I would expect SDSt to bounce-back off the loss, but they could still be licking their wounds a little bit, so who knows. Was there a blueprint laid down by Boise on how to bottle the SDSt run game and can Fresno copy it? They've excelled vs inferior teams the last 3 weeks, but looking back to the Washington game, how the hell did this Fresno team hold Washington to 92y on 30att? SD St D superior, but the NIU game still leaves me scratching my head (417y and 28 pts allowed). As good as SDSt has been the last 2 years and as bad as Fresno has been, 2016 Aztecs won just 17-3, 2015 Aztecs 21-7. 2017 Bulldogs quite a bit better and believing in themselves again.
 
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Look for this one to go undecided well into the 4th Qtr and Ky will have a solid shot at coming out of Starkville with a win. It's certainly worth your lunch money on a +320 ML.

I could see it. I was on the fence about including it in my post. As this spread climbs chances increase I could be on UK come kickoff ats. Not sure on the ML. I was on their ML last year on a day I really needed it, so that was a big night for me and big blue.

Seems like both Ds are good enough to limit the potential on both sides, probably nod towards State there. Probably nod towards State too at QB and coaching as well. With a line at DD I'm interested in the Cats as definitely think it can be a one score game, just kinda think that one score will be on Bulldogs side. No strong feeling on it at the moment though.
 
Maybe someone can tell us more about Idaho's QB???

Linehan is solid....2nd team all Sun Belt last year....and the son of Scott Linehan (current OC for the Cowboys)......that said, I have seen him a number of times and can play really well against good competition and can play really bad against poor competition....I have NO doubt that this one means a lot to Idaho
 
Linehan is solid....2nd team all Sun Belt last year....and the son of Scott Linehan (current OC for the Cowboys)......that said, I have seen him a number of times and can play really well against good competition and can play really bad against poor competition....I have NO doubt that this one means a lot to Idaho

He's lost all his weapons from last year. Kind of similar to Josh Allen, it has been tough for their less experienced O to match what they did last year. So they guys they rely on now aren't an influx of new talent, instead they are upperclassmen who weren't good enough to see the field much last year. Idaho remains an ok team, not a horrible Sun Belt team or anything. Just a few steps behind where they were last year on both sides of the ball to me.
 
Great stuff everybody. Heading to the lower Texas coast for some fishing and golf so do not have much to contribute this week.
Best to all this week.
 
Going with the following plays

So Miss +3 and ML +125
North Texas +3 1/2 and ML +145
E Mich +3 and ML +130
Kentucky +11 1/2 and ML +360
Ole Miss +7 1/2 and ML +235
Texas +7 1/2 and ML +230
Parlay on Kentucky / So Miss / Texas / Ole Miss
 
2 games have potential tonight.
ULaLa +375
MemFhis +135

ULaLa has proven they can win on the road and can score. If they can keep this gm in the 20s they have a shot. It does scare me that Arky St is @ home and can score.

As for MemFhis. These 2 teams always seem to play close gms recently. MemFhis can light up that scoreboard
 
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But the only team Louisiana has beaten on the road this season was future FCS Idaho...barely...
They were dogged in that game too.
They were dogged vs Idaho? ok my bad. So the emotional low off an upset win angle is also in play

ULL is not off an upset, they beat Texas State last Thursday. They beat Idaho two games ago.
 
FWIW I added the 2-teamers left from from post #20. I am also going to be in Idaho 1st Half ML when it comes out. You all know D8 loved the 1st Half ML plays. I also added this one ..... 3, 4, & 5-teamers with the following:

  1. 10/21/2017 12:30 PM College Football 361 Boston College* +195 vs Virginia
  2. 10/21/2017 12:00 PM College Football 373 Idaho* +450 vs Missouri
  3. 10/21/2017 4:00 PM College Football 375 Kentucky* +365 vs Mississippi State
  4. 10/21/2017 4:00 PM College Football 383 Oregon* +220 vs UCLA
  5. 10/21/2017 12:00 PM College Football 407 Iowa State* +245 vs Texas Tech
Risking $16.00 (16 parlays at $1.00) To Win $2,520.84


Best of luck to everyone!!

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Anything look good tonight to anyone?

All 4 dogs are at home.
The 2 I would consider tonight are the 2 late gms:
New Mexico +230
Nevada +270

Early gms:
ODU +255
MTSU +100

MTSU..... I would be all over IF Brent Stockstill were playing but has been ruled out for Marshall but they still have a shot tonight no doubt
 
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Old Dominion 50 to win 110

Sucks the big drop in value.

As mentioned earlier, I'm going with the thinking some of the ODU bright spots on O in the last 2 CUSA games show themselves here in this game and their D is not as bad as their scores imply. And also I believe WKU is more like the team they showed weeks 1-6 rather than buying in that they are good again from the week 7 Charlotte game. They could've lost to UTEP and Ball st and did lose to Illinois. Think Cox and Lawry can have big games for ODU and the Monarch D shows up as well. ODU QB is the youngest to start a game in FBS in like 40 years.
 
What do you guys think of Rutgers 1st Half ML?? Possible D8 type of play. They're 51st in total defense and Purdue is 75th. TO margin and scoring defense in favor of Purdue which I do not like but Rutgers has a senior QB in Bolin. 1st Half line is +6.5 so ML should be around +200ish. Thoughts??

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Old Dominion 50 to win 110

Sucks the big drop in value.

As mentioned earlier, I'm going with the thinking some of the ODU bright spots on O in the last 2 CUSA games show themselves here in this game and their D is not as bad as their scores imply. And also I believe WKU is more like the team they showed weeks 1-6 rather than buying in that they are good again from the week 7 Charlotte game. They could've lost to UTEP and Ball st and did lose to Illinois. Think Cox and Lawry can have big games for ODU and the Monarch D shows up as well. ODU QB is the youngest to start a game in FBS in like 40 years.
Almost s--k...ODU is so bad though...two interceptions on their own 10 yd line led to 14 pts. One was within 2 min of the 1st half and the other last 5 min of the game....brutal.

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That was a tough loss. ODU up by 10 in the 4th. Their final 3 drives ended in 2 INT and a fumble. The INT on 1st down when they were still up by 3 into double coverage was especially frustrating. But 17 year old QB. Then the Lawry fumble on 4th and 1, he was going to get the 4th down just never got the ball handled. Happy about the ats, but feel empty with the game.
 
So I thought I would try and look for dogs with better or comparable defenses than the favs, an advantage in TO margin, and more experience at QB. Here is a a list I came up with. The lone exception was Oklahoma as obviously their QB is one of the best in the country. K. State also starts a senior and I thought maybe there is a chance of a letdown after the Red River rivalry last week. These would all be 1st Half ML plays per what D8 used to tell me what to look for. I'll post some stats tomorrow but I will say Oregon had some eye-popping differences over UCLA. Thoughts ?

Iowa State
Idaho
Rutgers
Kent State
Oregon
Kansas State
Wake Forest
Wyoming
Fresno State


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What do you guys think of Rutgers 1st Half ML?? Possible D8 type of play. They're 51st in total defense and Purdue is 75th. TO margin and scoring defense in favor of Purdue which I do not like but Rutgers has a senior QB in Bolin. 1st Half line is +6.5 so ML should be around +200ish. Thoughts??

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Don't think I have much of an opinion for you. Seems Rutgers performing well depends mostly on if their running game can work. I think Rescigno started for them last week. I bought in with Brohm and Holt at Purdue, but have no interest in laying road chalk with Boilers. Not sure I've ever done a 1st H ML. I know D8 was all about them!
 
So I thought I would try and look for dogs with better or comparable defenses than the favs, an advantage in TO margin, and more experience at QB. Here is a a list I came up with. The lone exception was Oklahoma as obviously their QB is one of the best in the country. K. State also starts a senior and I thought maybe there is a chance of a letdown after the Red River rivalry last week. These would all be 1st Half ML plays per what D8 used to tell me what to look for. I'll post some stats tomorrow but I will say Oregon had some eye-popping differences over UCLA. Thoughts ?

Iowa State
Idaho
Rutgers
Kent State
Oregon
Kansas State
Wake Forest
Wyoming
Fresno State


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I like that thinking. I've looked for similar things sometimes to see if there are some nice dogs that do some things well or find flawed favs with weaknesses. I don't always do that though, I usually rely on my gut and what I think I know and then see if I can support it with numbers and angles.

I've never thought much in terms of finding the first half ML dogs. That would take some time for my head to make that adjustment.

Just on the teams, Oregon really intrigues me. But obviously I hate their QB situation. Huge mismatch at that position there. They yanked the freshman QB last week and put in the guy who came off the bench vs Cal. Names are escaping me. Not sure who they start this week, not sure which one is the better option. Maybe they announced. Rosen is back to playing how I've always felt about him, just another college QB that comes and goes. Nothing special. Had some moments, but lots of no name guys have moments through the years and their names fade with time. Rosen's will too. Having said that, UCLA has a clear advantage at QB this week vs Ducks. Do think Oregon D better than some might give them credit for, it is certainly better than UCLA D, but just about anyone is better than Bruins D. I like the Oregon staff better as well. Not sure of any of the statistical comparisons, but Oregon does have my interest this week.

Wyoming? Boise out for revenge for last year's upset. Boise plays some pretty good D. Not sure how Cowboys hope to exploit it this year. It took all they had last year and everyone of importance on that O is gone except for Allen...and it shows badly. Boise up and down, never know what you'll get from their O. Honestly there just isn't much for me to like about this Wyoming team.

Wake Forest is a team I've been chewing on this week. Their D is solid and they have some new weapons on O this year (Dortch and Byrd). While they don't play GT every year they have faced Army the last 2 years and have this bye week to prep for Tech. I think Wake is a solid team. So they would have some potential. Would prefer Wofford to be the QB (missed Clemson), but do think that Hinton can be effective as well, tough assignment for him vs Clemson last week. Wofford is the better of the two.

Hard to like Kansas St much without Ertz at QB. That and it has just been a bad matchup for Cats the last few years. I don't see OU letting down after the Texas game, they can't afford to at this point with the ISU loss. I would assume they are acutely aware of that.

I do kind of like Fresno. Like I mentioned earlier, Fresno has been awful the last 2 years and somehow their games against San Diego St have surprisingly been close. Bulldogs playing with confidence right now. I would caution whatever stats might say, Fresno have played some week teams of late, but also played Bama and Wash so maybe the stats evened out. SD St has played a pretty decent schedule.

Not sure Idaho has the O to keep up with Missouri. Kent St will not score much unless Ohio helps them, so hard to count on that. Under the radar MAC respect to Kent D, but Ohio should be ok in that game. ISU over TTech, I suppose that is possible. I don't have any real opinion on that game.

I welcome any feelings or numbers or angles you have on any games. I'm far from any kind of crystal ball, but enjoy talking about any kind of teams/games if that helps you walk through things.
 
Maybe the bier talking but i like you sk!

We like talking football! All I do is watch games, look at football stuff on the internet and want to post football stuff here. My wife doesn't like football Scott much. In August she says "see you in January", so glad somebody likes me!
 
Based on some stats...Akron looks like the best dog in the MAC this week. I will not be taking that however, I just don't think Akron is good. But if you are inclined to believe some of the numbers:

Zips are good at 3rd down conversion O (44% 3rd MAC), good at 3rd down conversion D (33% 4th MAC) - Toledo is also good in those categories.

Zips are #1 MAC in RZ D - Toledo is 12th in RZ D.
Zips are 3rd MAC in scoring D.

Toledo D is last in the MAC in sacks.

But that is just cherry picking the things that Akron is good at. Toledo is very good at a lot of things and Akron isn't very good at alot of things. But if one was so inclined they could make a case for Akron. That case won't come from me. Just posting what I see on http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/ranking_summary.

Instead, if I take a MAC ML this week it will be Bowling Green, which is one of, if not the worst, statistical mismatch there is. But that is just me, I like trying to do things the hard way!

I'll look at other conferences see if anything turns up of note.
 
Navy

1st AAC 3rd down conv (49%), also key Navy goes for alot of 4th downs (88% conversions). Navy doesn't get penalized much. 4th AAC first down D. We know they are #1 ncaa rushing O, also #1 ncaa TOP. Navy also ranks #1 ncaa in pass y per compl (29 yards per). #1 AAC net punting and kick ret D. #1 AAC fewest TFL allowed. #3 AAC Total D.

So that is just what Navy is good at. It goes without saying that UCF ranks high in alot of categories, some higher than Navy. UCF isn't bad at many things, they are 3rd last AAC in first downs - probably because of all the big plays they enjoy on their drives. They are 11th punt ret D. Slightly worse than national midpack RZ O. Not many statistical chinks in that armor.

Navy was the only AAC dog that ranked high in alot of categories.

Only other thing would be UConn as a dog ranks pretty good at some things offensively and as a favorite Tulsa is bad at some things defensively. But it kind of offsets because UConn is equally bad on the D end and Tulsa is equally good on most of the O stuff.
 
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