Yes. USC can score on anyone, their defense is the problem.
Week 7 Discussion Thread
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Yes. USC can score on anyone, their defense is the problem.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Sure feels like more free money fading unc. The one thing gtech does decent on d is slow down run games, if you slow Hampton down and force heels to pass things rarely work out for them. I have no doubt gtech will move the ball up and down the field in this game and when they get into the red zone they finish with tds, to make matters worse heels d offers little in the way of resistance in the red zone. Then yoh flip to the other side and the times unc does manage to move the ball they are a putrid 88th in the country turning red zone trips into tds while tech d ranks 21st holding teams out the end zona! I see mismatches all over the field and then a glaring mismatch when they get into scoring range. -3.5 isn’t nearly enough, I like tech to win by 10+ as unc continues their free fall under garbage ass Mac brown!
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Seems like they forgot how to tackle yet again, might be time to call it like it is, Lincoln Riley breeds a soft culture!
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Havnt really considered 1st half as I think pitt waxes them start to finish but certainly makes sense. Ppl sleeping on pitt but their schedule sets up in a way they could be in the mix to win the acc! They have a trip to smu which won’t be easy but they get Clemson at home, after that it really a bunch of winnable games, wouldn’t be shocked at all if they playing for the acc championship game! When Narduzzi has a qb they tend to be a pretty tough out and Holstein is a baller imo. Im not super high on Cal anyways and as you pointed out this a very tough spot, the way ward took that cal pass d apart im pretty confident Holstein can do the same! Not sure cal offense can keep up with that?
2daBank
Voice of Reason
For the most part the best way to beat Pitt d is thru the air. They usually stout against the run, they held Hampton to 103 on 23 carries which actually pretty good. Can Mendoza beat them thru the air? Looked like he got kinda beat up last week and Pitt gets after the qb which a real problem for Mendoza as cal one the worst teams in the country protecting him! Throw out the situational stuff which should favor Pitt and think just matchup wise this game sets up well for them!
2daBank
Voice of Reason
I felt pretty much same way last week. Not the biggest Narcuzzi fan but when he has a legit qb his teams can be scary good. They overly aggressive on d which def can lead to some big plays but the offense is good enough to offset those and the d will also stop the run and make a big play when it matters! Last week it was over and over again in the red zone, unc would go on these redic long drives where they convert 3-4 4th downs but once they got into red zone pitt got off the field. Dont think that a fluke, think the style of d they play makes it incredibly tough for teams to move ball when the field condenses. Im a buyer, been on them most the year and think a few their wins are actually looking better as the season plays out. Feel like im getting the better qb who should be put in better positions.
Rusty Trombone
Pretty much a regular
Narduzzi letting OC do his thing....which has obviously been beneficial.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Another glaring thing that stands out to me for Pitt, defensively they been fantastic getting off the field on 3rd down holding teams under a 30% conversion rate which 13th in the country. On the other side they convert over 45% while cal allows a smidge over 40% success rate. Then the red zone really pops, cal scores tds on less than 70% their chances which ranks a awful 122nd in the country while Pitt holds teams to a 80% success rate, then on offense Pitt punches in damn near 90% their red zone chances while cal d ranks 80th in the country allowing teams to punch it in close to 89% their chances. 3rd down and red zone pitt has a huge edge on top of that fact I’ll take Holstein over Mendoza all day, Mendoza also took a bit a beating last week and I don’t expect it to get much better here as cal one the worst teams in the country protecting the qb and pitt can generate pressure. To me Pitt has the edge in practically everything I value without even mentioning what a tough spot this should be for Cal. I think Pitt keeps rolling as im sold they have a real shot to make noise in the acc, everytime I watch them im more impressed. And as @Rusty Trombone mentioned I like Pitt much better when narduzzi lets his oc handle the offense!!
2daBank
Voice of Reason
What a game in Morgantown sat night with undefeated isu coming to town! Not sure im confident in a side here although I do think wvu is better than the 3-2 record having lost to pen st and Pitt who both undefeated! No shame losing to pen st to open the year, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say isu would have lost that game also! The Pitt game wvu gave them everything they wanted in a game that could have went either way but turnovers let them down and the inability to stop Holstein in the passing game. I was incredibly impressed with the way wvu was able to run on Pitt. The concern would be Pitt threw all over wvu and Rocco Bect could have similar success. More so than a side I think this 53 total feels low to me: I don’t think there any question wvu offense will be the biggest test isu has faced by a mile!
Greene is a big play waiting to happen with his arm and his legs and I just don’t see anyone on isu schedule with a qb close to the skill set Greene has! Wvu has played a pitt offense I think it every bit as explosive as isu but they could not stop Holstein and i have my doubts they gonna be able to stop Bect and what looks like a couple the best WRs in the big 12! Isu is avg 8.5 yards per pass attempt and wvu allows a whopping 9.4! There will be big plays to be made for Rocco and co! You could point to isu pass d and how they allowing less than 5 yards a pass attempt but again isu has not faced a passing offense or qb that presents the problems Greene will!! Huge step up in class for the isu d imo. Unless im totally missing something here this total feels way short to me, I have no doubt there are gonna be big plays to be had on both sides the ball. Even facing a bunch of suspect offenses isu red zone d ranks near the bottom of the country (as does wvu d), I think both teams move the ball and with the multitude of ways wvu can score on the ground and thru the air I think these guys can approach 30 points! Not to be outdone I expect Bect will throw for 300+ on wvu leaky pass d, I don’t think these teams have any problem pushing 60+ total points!
Greene is a big play waiting to happen with his arm and his legs and I just don’t see anyone on isu schedule with a qb close to the skill set Greene has! Wvu has played a pitt offense I think it every bit as explosive as isu but they could not stop Holstein and i have my doubts they gonna be able to stop Bect and what looks like a couple the best WRs in the big 12! Isu is avg 8.5 yards per pass attempt and wvu allows a whopping 9.4! There will be big plays to be made for Rocco and co! You could point to isu pass d and how they allowing less than 5 yards a pass attempt but again isu has not faced a passing offense or qb that presents the problems Greene will!! Huge step up in class for the isu d imo. Unless im totally missing something here this total feels way short to me, I have no doubt there are gonna be big plays to be had on both sides the ball. Even facing a bunch of suspect offenses isu red zone d ranks near the bottom of the country (as does wvu d), I think both teams move the ball and with the multitude of ways wvu can score on the ground and thru the air I think these guys can approach 30 points! Not to be outdone I expect Bect will throw for 300+ on wvu leaky pass d, I don’t think these teams have any problem pushing 60+ total points!
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Running into the same damm problem w klubnick passing yards as last week, I played him over 250, he had 235 thru 3 qrtrs but don’t think he threw a 4th qrtr pass. Same damn concern here, if wake could push them at all or at the very least put up a tiny bit of resistance to the run game opposed to fsu who just got gashed on the ground in 4th leaving him not throwing a 4th qrtr pass! Really can’t count on wake d stopping the run, can’t really count on the offense forcing Clemson to do anything in 4th. Nothing more annoying than a number kid could smash easy but game play doesn’t dictate he throws enough. Think I’ll just take my lump from last week and pass.
DeadEyeDuckie
Pretty much a regular
i know it feels chalky but anyone else feel like Alabama takes out some frustration at home against south carolina?
also looking at boise laying chalk. no way is hawaii stopping their running game, or them in general at all. question is will hawaii score enough and cover? plus it's here at "home" in hawaii...although it's well documented how we have no real home field advantage anymore. i feel like if this were at boise they'd be laying at least -30 to hawaii
also looking at boise laying chalk. no way is hawaii stopping their running game, or them in general at all. question is will hawaii score enough and cover? plus it's here at "home" in hawaii...although it's well documented how we have no real home field advantage anymore. i feel like if this were at boise they'd be laying at least -30 to hawaii
2daBank
Voice of Reason
I’m kinda looking more at bama props or team total. Really like Williams to fly past his number , 74 seems crazy light to me, both the good passing attacks scary has faced they have allowed a wr to go for 90+. Lessor extent Milroe ov 241 just cause I dunno how much passing they will need from him after half? Williams over 74 rec yards my fav play here.
I’m awful with those big spreads so I didn’t even look at boise.
Milroe prop scary if they are up huge.
Plenty of Cfb QB overs get lost in blowouts.
Bama TT on my radar as well.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Yea I agree, that why im more interested in Williams. He should go over 74 by half!
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Mizzou coaching staff liable to fuck me here, maybe I should be looking at Noel rush props but very tempted to play burden over 100 +155! There no way umass has anyone who can cover Burden but will drink let them throw or just run it 50x? You would think they want to keep their top10 pick happy!!
I can't tell if Mizzou comes out looking to make a point or is still hungover from that ambush last week.
UMass so putrid though.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
I so hate mizzou coaching staff. You can’t say a bad word bout them round here since they have gotten mizzou back to relevance but far as game planning I think they are awful. Scary thing they should do whatever they want here and more times than not that is run the ball, as if they don’t understand they have nfl wrs!
I'm with ya.
A few times last year I'd have a TT or prop that was the right cap but coaching would take over, and not in a good way.
I've just stayed away from them this year, mostly.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Haynes king is gonna totally punk unc, passing and on the ground, imo heels free fall continues here as tech run d is good enough to limit Hampton and they should get out to a lead, when heels have to throw they tend to make mistakes. King rush prop over 40 seems like a no brainer, just look at what other running qbs have did to unc. Even Holstein last week who I wouldn’t consider a great running qb ran all over heels. If king doesn’t run for well over 40 yards I’d be shocked.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
I actually did pretty well with them last season, had a 5-6 game stretch where I had the right wr every week but this year been a total pain, I’ve mostly stayed away too until the genius bet on cook passing yards last week. Lol
I definitely remember those props...
First few games I was killing on their stuff (TT and a prop or two) and then it went ice cold ...
This is the one that really pisses me off.
I know I had Zoo TT for the game (something like 35 or 36)
I either had a live game over or a 2h because Scary kicking these meaningless FGs was driving me nuts!
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Not a popular opinion round here im always blasting Drink, I suppose he does deserve credit putting tigers on the map but my god the game plans/play calling drive me bat shit crazy!!! Knowing this prick the way I do the smart play is prob to take Noel ov 104 rush yards, maybe even a alt number, can’t help but want to play burden but I know this asshole will most likely just run it down umass throats.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
I'm past trying to figure out what this coaching staff will do for now, but the thing that would give me pause on the Williams and/or props are the SC pass rush, and Milroe getting more comfortable throwing it to Bernard and the TEs. With as good a pass rush SC has, you'd think there would be more running, especially if Alabama gets a lead, similar to the Wisconsin game. Proctor has been really good at LT, but RT has had some issues. I won't talk you off Williams at 74 yards, because he could easily get that on one reception with the way it's been going.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Fair points, thanks
2daBank
Voice of Reason
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Well I kinda see something I don’t like bout Noel rush yards. Looking back to the 1st few weeks when mizzou played scrubs they really didn’t give Noel a ton of carries, they spaced the run game out with bunch of guys. Wease did have one monster receiving game. Noel isn’t really a home run hitter either so he prob needs 12-15 carries to go over 100, hard to be confident he gets that much work? Maybe I’m wasting way too much time on this game and should just move on! lol
Well I kinda see something I don’t like bout Noel rush yards. Looking back to the 1st few weeks when mizzou played scrubs they really didn’t give Noel a ton of carries, they spaced the run game out with bunch of guys. Wease did have one monster receiving game. Noel isn’t really a home run hitter either so he prob needs 12-15 carries to go over 100, hard to be confident he gets that much work? Maybe I’m wasting way too much time on this game and should just move on! lol
Carolina Guy
Pretty much a regular
I couldn't agree more as a UNC guy. Three weeks ago, UNC flipped from a dog to a fav at Dook ... L, last week the line went in their favor as the week wore on ... L and this week the line keeps moving in their favor again. I'm on Ga Tech fairly big and have putrid numbers.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
K-st qb Avery Johnson should run all over the buffs, just take a look at the rushing qb’s they have faced, even kj Jefferson who they sacked repeatedly in the 1st half and I believe actually had minus rushing yards at halftime still managed to go for around 80! K-st doesn’t allow sacks, think buffs d a step down from some the teams Daniels been facing, like him to cruise past 71 rush yards here.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Am I crazy or does cuse feel short? I’ve watched 80% of cuse games and I don’t think there any question they are the better team. That environment they escaped in Vegas last week surely be tougher than what they in store for tonight?
To be totally fair cuse coulda easily lost that game as McCord threw 2-3 passes directly into Rebs defenders bread baskets that woulda ended the game and they just flat out dropped them! That is 100% the knock on McCord and my hesitance w backing cuse, he makes several throws a game you just want to slap him for!! Most the time he sits back and puts the ball where it needs to be on time but then out of nowhere he inexplicably hits the wrong color jersey in the chest!! Think we pretty much have to assume he gonna throw at least 1 but will that be enough to change the outcome? I don’t think ncst d has much chance of stopping the cuse O. Forget the numbers, and the passing numbers are good, but they have slowly started to establish a run game with a 2 headed monster of Allen and Willis. I’ve always been of the belief this ncst d is incredibly vulnerable to rushing attacks, the numbers bare that out as they allowing 5ypc. We know cuse is capable of slinging it all over the yard but the addition of the run game is gonna make them very tough to stop.
I just don’t think these teams anywhere close to what the number suggest. Next week when cuse playing their 3rd straight road tilt be the time to fade them, I think they roll a ncst team that apparently gets more credit for their name than they deserve. -2? All day please.
To be totally fair cuse coulda easily lost that game as McCord threw 2-3 passes directly into Rebs defenders bread baskets that woulda ended the game and they just flat out dropped them! That is 100% the knock on McCord and my hesitance w backing cuse, he makes several throws a game you just want to slap him for!! Most the time he sits back and puts the ball where it needs to be on time but then out of nowhere he inexplicably hits the wrong color jersey in the chest!! Think we pretty much have to assume he gonna throw at least 1 but will that be enough to change the outcome? I don’t think ncst d has much chance of stopping the cuse O. Forget the numbers, and the passing numbers are good, but they have slowly started to establish a run game with a 2 headed monster of Allen and Willis. I’ve always been of the belief this ncst d is incredibly vulnerable to rushing attacks, the numbers bare that out as they allowing 5ypc. We know cuse is capable of slinging it all over the yard but the addition of the run game is gonna make them very tough to stop.
I just don’t think these teams anywhere close to what the number suggest. Next week when cuse playing their 3rd straight road tilt be the time to fade them, I think they roll a ncst team that apparently gets more credit for their name than they deserve. -2? All day please.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
A month and a half ago NCSt were the darlings to win the ACC. Big whoops for those futures. Course I thought it would be FSU or Miami and all I can say is at least I had the Canes pegged. I know you like Pitt but I don't think they could beat Miami, especially in a big game where Ward will be the better QB by a decent margin over the Pitt guy I've watched a couple times.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
I dunno if Pitt will be able to get by smu on road then Clemson at home? I do think if we did get canes/pitt in acc ship it would be an incredibly good game, good chance last team with the ball wins. Not gonna argue Pitt qb over ward although I do think Holstein was highly recruited and transferred from a power so he certainly isn’t lacking talent. His legs not ward’s but he is an effective runner who good at picking up 1st downs when they need them. Canes have more talented weapons but I’m fairly confident in saying I prefer Pitt d and while Narduzzi can annoy me on occasion I’d take him over Cristobal in a big game all day! After watching drones and Mendoza light up canes d I have very little doubt Holstein wouldn’t have any problem throwing for 300+ on canes. Of course I say this every week, they way to beat Pitt d is over the top which clearly canes are well set up to do. Honestly I couldn’t tell ya who I would take right this second without looking at some things but think they would have to put the total at least 63 and not sure that he high enough! Pitt and canes pass d both leave quite a bit to be desired!
Far as ncst I been selling them for years, think this coach a bum, never understand when there love for them! No matter who they bring in or what they try to do the offense is always a joke and this defense Doeren runs is trash imo. Love that cuse found their run game last week cause I think that a fantastic way to attack this d, they have 2 legit backs who I think will pound them into submission while McCord keeps the chains moving. Really think it comes down to whether or not McCord can limit the mistakes, 1 or fewer turnovers I like cuse by more than a td.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
So torn on gators game. I’ve been starting to have the believe vols are overrated. I just don’t trust the qb, it why I took arky last week and why I lean gators here. If you can slow vols run game down I’m not convinced he can win consistently thru the air. The problem here is I have no clue what I think of the gators? Last week it was easy for me to take 14 points with arky cause I thought they were a decent team, even won without their starting qb! Not sure I have the kind of trust in Mullins or the gators offense? Mertz has been pretty good lately. At the beginning the year I was as high on vols as anyone but the more I’ve seen this qb the less confidence I have, slow down the vols rush attack and I don’t think they are anything special. 14 is a lot.
He Hate Me
I hope everyone is treated the same
Checked the McCord INT prop as I think he has at least one pick each game. It is over 0.5 -145 or higher. Too much juice for me.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
I was all over cuse last week, spread amd ml, plus Allen, Gadsden props. That mfer threw bout 3-4 balls the last 2 drives right into Rebs player bread basket, no clue how none of them got picked! Any one of them and game was over! Guess that why they play d! lol. The only thing that maybe helps him this week is I think cuse really found something in the run game last week so he might not have to throw it 50+ times!! Think that ncst defense is ripe to run all over, if they can carry over the good things in run game from last week he might not be asked to do so much. Pisses me off they only have an Allen rush prop and not an Allen rec prop, that Willis kid looked fantastic in the second half! I got so lucky to hit Allen in ot cause Willis really took over! He is explosive!! I think this has potential for an ass kicking.
He Hate Me
I hope everyone is treated the same
Yeah, when I was looking into the McCord prop, I checked NCSU defensive interceptions and they have 6, so one per game on average.
They are so easy to run on, I don't know why so many teams try to throw it.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Their scheme just begs ya to run, if wasn’t for the fact I expect cuse is gonna start sharing the load between Allen and the rookie I’d be all over Allen. The rookie looked so good tho, if wasn’t for the great run on 4th and 1 then I assume cuse trusting Allen a bit more in ot I woulda lost his rush prop cause Willis absolutely took
Over in 2nd half! It be crazy for them not to start splitting the work up. of course no number for Willis, he awesome if we could get a nfl type backup number on him, 25-40ish. I think he hits that on one run!!
