Week 5 Discussion Thread

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VirginiaCavs

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Sep 28 Thu 2023

06:30 PM
103Middle Tennessee State+8
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104Western Kentucky+1 Markets-8
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-110
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105Temple+5½
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106Tulsa+1 Markets-5½
-110		U 54
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107Jacksonville State-5½
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108Sam Houston St+1 Markets+5½
-110		U 37
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Sep 29 Fri 2023

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113Louisville-3
-118		O 54½
-110
114NC State+1 Markets+3
-102		U 54½
-110
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115Louisiana Tech+1
-110		O 53
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116UTEP+1 Markets-1
-110		U 53
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117Utah+2½
-105		O 45½
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118Oregon State+1 Markets-2½
-115		U 45½
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119Cincinnati+2½
+105		O 50½
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120BYU+1 Markets-2½
-125		U 50½
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Sep 30 Sat 2023

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121Penn State-27
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122Northwestern+1 Markets+27
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125Clemson-6½
-113		O 53
-110
126Syracuse+1 Markets+6½
-107		U 53
-110
11:00 AM
127Utah State-6
-111		O 51½
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128Connecticut+1 Markets+6
-109		U 51½
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11:00 AM
139Florida+3
-111		O 46
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140Kentucky+1 Markets-3
-109		U 46
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147South Alabama+4
-110		O 52½
-110
148James Madison+1 Markets-4
-110		U 52½
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151Buffalo+2½
-102		O 57
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152Akron+1 Markets-2½
-118		U 57
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11:00 AM
159UL Lafayette+9½
-110		O 47½
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160Minnesota+1 Markets-9½
-110		U 47½
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167USC-23
-115		O 73½
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168Colorado+1 Markets+23
-105		U 73½
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207UAB+20½
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208Tulane+1 Markets-20½
-115		U 57½
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209Texas A&M-7
-105		O 54½
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210Arkansas+1 Markets+7
-115		U 54½
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153Eastern Michigan+7
-110		O 47½
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154Central Michigan+1 Markets-7
-110		U 47½
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141Virginia+3
-112		O 56½
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142Boston College+1 Markets-3
-108		U 56½
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155Miami Ohio-14½
-110		O 51
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156Kent State+1 Markets+14½
-110		U 51
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171Arizona State+11½
-110		O 51
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172California+1 Markets-11½
-110		U 51
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123Bowling Green+20½
-107		O 54½
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124Georgia Tech+1 Markets-20½
-113		U 54½
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133Indiana+14½
-110		O 50
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134Maryland+1 Markets-14½
-110		U 50
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135Baylor+11½
-110		O 56
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136Central Florida+1 Markets-11½
-110		U 56
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149Old Dominion+13½
-110		O 46½
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150Marshall+1 Markets-13½
-110		U 46½
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157Ball State+1
-110		O 52½
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158Western Michigan+1 Markets-1
-110		U 52½
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161Arkansas State+1½
-110		O 56
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162Massachusetts+1 Markets-1½
-110		U 56
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163Michigan-18
-110		O 40
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164Nebraska+1 Markets+18
-110		U 40
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179South Florida+4
-110		O 53
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180Navy+1 Markets-4
-110		U 53
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181Illinois+2
-115		O 53½
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182Purdue+1 Markets-2
-105		U 53½
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183Northern Illinois+14
-110		O 50
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184Toledo+1 Markets-14
-110		U 50
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189Houston+9
-115		O 55
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190Texas Tech+1 Markets-9
-105		U 55
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191Georgia-16½
-110		O 47
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192Auburn+1 Markets+16½
-110		U 47
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211Kansas+17
-110		O 61½
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212Texas+1 Markets-17
-110		U 61½
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165New Mexico+13½
-105		O 41½
-110
166Wyoming+1 Markets-13½
-115		U 41½
-110
03:00 PM
169Hawaii+10
-117		O 60
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170UNLV+1 Markets-10
-103		U 60
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193Boise State+3
-110		O 59½
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194Memphis+1 Markets-3
-110		U 59½
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203Missouri-11½
-110		O 56
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204Vanderbilt+1 Markets+11½
-110		U 56
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201LSU-2½
-120		O 63½
-110
202Mississippi+1 Markets+2½
+100		U 63½
-110
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173Oregon-26
-110		O 61½
-110
174Stanford+1 Markets+26
-110		U 61½
-110
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131Troy+3
-116		O 51
-110
132Georgia State-3
-104		U 51
-110
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145Coastal Carolina+7
-110		O 62
-110
146Georgia Southern+1 Markets-7
-110		U 62
-110
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187Iowa State+20
-110		O 48½
-110
188Oklahoma+1 Markets-20
-110		U 48½
-110
06:00 PM
197Texas State-7
-115		O 62
-110
198Southern Miss+1 Markets+7
-105		U 62
-110
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213East Carolina+3
-112		O 50½
-110
214Rice+1 Markets-3
-108		U 50½
-110
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137South Carolina+11½
-110		O 62
-110
138Tennessee+1 Markets-11½
-110		U 62
-110
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143Notre Dame-5½
-110		O 51
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144Duke+1 Markets+5½
-110		U 51
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199Michigan State+11½
-110		O 36
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200Iowa+1 Markets-11½
-110		U 36
-110
06:30 PM
205Charlotte+22½
-110		O 56
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206SMU+1 Markets-22½
-110		U 56
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129Pittsburgh-3
-110		O 42½
-110
130Virginia Tech+1 Markets+3
-110		U 42½
-110
07:00 PM
195Appalachian State-13½
-110		O 53½
-110
196UL Monroe+1 Markets+13½
-110		U 53½
-110
07:00 PM
215West Virginia+10
-110		O 51
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216TCU+1 Markets-10
-110		U 51
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07:00 PM
217San Diego State+10½
-110		O 43
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218Air Force+1 Markets-10½
-110		U 43
-110
08:00 PM
185Alabama-14½
-110		O 49
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186Mississippi State+1 Markets+14½
-110		U 49
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09:00 PM
175Washington-17½
-113		O 68½
-110
176Arizona+1 Markets+17½
-107		U 68½
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177Nevada+24½
-110		O 53½
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178Fresno State+1 Markets-24½
-110		U 53½
-110
 
They think FLA has a let down game? Didn’t UK beat em last year? I’ll have to look more but points and ML seems nice.

How about that Iowa/Sparty total?!
 
Hogs catching 7 and ML. I’m sure they are pretty dejected after last week, so gotta think on that too. But they got one of the best SEC QBs maybe THE best.
 
Need @M.W. To tell me the state of things at Clemson far as mindset, if they giving up on season? Honestly don’t think cuse pop gun offense should be able to move the ball on them. Cuse did manage 21 last year (14 the season prior), for some reason they let Schroeder compete a ton his dink and dunk passes while getting 71 yards on 21 carry’s!! I’m assuming cuse team total be about 23 considering spread and total right now, that feels like more points than cuse should score if clemson comes into this game mad rather than dejected? Also Shipley and Mafa went nuts running on cuse last year so they might be worth a look.
 
I have no real feel for Ville with Brohm coaching them now. I kinda expected them to boat race BC as bc left it all on the field the week prior. Giving up 28 to them doesn’t exactly inspire much confidence in their d!! Just not sure I can take them as road favs despite the fact I can’t stand ncst coaching, qb, scheme, or the way they stop trying to score w a 8 point lead!! Despite my dislike of Armstrong it could be another good spot to play his rushing props if number right, have to look and see if ville has any kind of pass rush? Ncst d seems like it has less teeth than most years, even tho I’d say Uva getting to 21 had as much to do with coaching and continuing to give them chances in the second half, that obviously plays a part. Prob still be the best defense brohm’s team has faced, might not be saying much but I’m not super convinced Plummer is that great!!
 
twinkie13 said:
They think FLA has a let down game? Didn’t UK beat em last year? I’ll have to look more but points and ML seems nice.

How about that Iowa/Sparty total?!
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I don’t love the fact gators have that number next to their names. Never been a big fan of playing ranked road dogs to unranked even tho havnt seen it tracked in years, lol. From a matchup standpoint I tend to agree, Is that Leary playing qb for uk the same guy who used to play for ncst? Can’t say I was ever a big fan but in his defense ncst runs some garbage offense that could make any qb look bad! Im assuming stopping the run is still biggest key to stopping uk? If that the case I def like gators chances and Mertz is actually growing on me a bit, to the point I like him more than Finley anyways, lol.
 
My 1st reaction was less than a fg at home feels cheap for beavers but then it crossed my mind how impressive Utah d has looked and I might not want to back DJ u vs this defense that might just be tough to run on! Tough game, gotta think utes very close to getting their qb back? That team been a mash unit so prob need some kind of injury report before getting involved. I would def be tempted to take the plus money if they getting some guys back?
 
2daBank said:
My 1st reaction was less than a fg at home feels cheap for beavers but then it crossed my mind how impressive Utah d has looked and I might not want to back DJ u vs this defense that might just be tough to run on! Tough game, gotta think utes very close to getting their qb back? That team been a mash unit so prob need some kind of injury report before getting involved. I would def be tempted to take the plus money if they getting some guys back?
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I think they have their bye week after this. If he doesn't start here, he will after the bye. Gotta work him in and 2 weeks to prepare will be solid.
 
twinkie13 said:
Hogs catching 7 and ML. I’m sure they are pretty dejected after last week, so gotta think on that too. But they got one of the best SEC QBs maybe THE best.
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I’m def interested in the hogs, shutting down auburn disgusting offense does nothing to impress me, for whatever reason Aggies offense with Patrino hasn’t looked much better than before he showed up!! For my money I would absolutely take Daniels over kj but not sure it a very long list of sec qbs so point taken.
 
aplous said:
Hammered 3 games at open. Beavers -1, Colorado +24.5 and Duke +5.5
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I really ain’t been getting involved w buffs outside playing some running back props against them but I def found it odd they getting more at home vs usc that at Autzen which I think we all agree a tougher task if only cause of venue, which team better I think debatable.
 
I like duke and all but think this might be a bit a reality check. Think Irish can bully them a bit and they outta be nice and pissed off after the way they fucked off the game they shoulda won last week. I don’t think Irish d will let Leonard beat them w his legs and I know their corners can minimize any impact of duke wrs cause they just held possibly the best wr group in the country mostly in check. Less than a td think I’ll keep riding the Irish train, they havnt really let me down far as covering, my own fault for playing the ml last week! lol.

That said im kinda a idiot when it comes to situation and understanding normal folks emotions so maybe this isn’t a good spot? Hell if I know, I know I’d be all kinds of ticked off but I’ve learned the way I think and react to things ain’t exactly the same as others, lol.
 
Clemson running for over 200 on duke doesn’t bode real well here I don’t think. I trust Hartman way more than klubnick to finish drives: there just no way I see ND losing this game so -5.5 doesn’t feel all that big a number to me.
 
KJ said:
First time ever Gameday is going to be at Duke

Even if you can't stand to watch it, that's a big deal
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Cool for them but once the game starts I’m fairly confident which team I rather be on: I could prob be just as happy with Estime props but they really fucked me using 3 different backs last week and him only getting 14 touches, I don’t blame them esch back did well, I was a little pissed Estime didn’t get all the carry’s on last drive cause all I needed was 3 yards and think he woulda gave them better chance to pick up 1st downs at that point but I digress, just think ND will have a bunch of rushing yards in this one., unless of course duke really sells out against the run in which case I’m totally confident Hartman can make them pay.
 
KJ said:
First time ever Gameday is going to be at Duke

Even if you can't stand to watch it, that's a big deal
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Far as situational for ND you think bad, good, indifferent?? I’m ok with I’m sure a fired up duke side lomg as I get Irish best.
 
2daBank said:
Far as situational for ND you think bad, good, indifferent?? I’m ok with I’m sure a fired up duke side lomg as I get Irish best.
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It's such a strange dynamic when the whole focus these days is the playoff, not sure how they rebound or get fired up to play after getting bounced. All about coaching and getting them to buy into other goals. Of course 1 loss ND still can get in but it's obviously gotten a lot more difficult.

Not really sure I like that game much, I'm still not sure if I'm sold on Duke. I'd expect the emotion for them will be a factor in the first quarter but that eventually wears off and can be a deterrent later in the game, especially if ND are just running and wearing them down.
 
KJ said:
It's such a strange dynamic when the whole focus these days is the playoff, not sure how they rebound or get fired up to play after getting bounced. All about coaching and getting them to buy into other goals. Of course 1 loss ND still can get in but it's obviously gotten a lot more difficult.

Not really sure I like that game much, I'm still not sure if I'm sold on Duke. I'd expect the emotion for them will be a factor in the first quarter but that eventually wears off and can be a deterrent later in the game, especially if ND are just running and wearing them down.
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I kinda disagree here bro, I don’t think they bounced at all, to the contrary I’d think they would have to know they can’t lose another game. They run the table from here out id say their chances of making the playoffs would be sky high. Pac-12 gonna kill each other plus they still get usc! I think they a lock to be a playoff team with only that loss to osu on last play.
 
2daBank said:
Need @M.W. To tell me the state of things at Clemson far as mindset, if they giving up on season? Honestly don’t think cuse pop gun offense should be able to move the ball on them. Cuse did manage 21 last year (14 the season prior), for some reason they let Schroeder compete a ton his dink and dunk passes while getting 71 yards on 21 carry’s!! I’m assuming cuse team total be about 23 considering spread and total right now, that feels like more points than cuse should score if clemson comes into this game mad rather than dejected? Also Shipley and Mafa went nuts running on cuse last year so they might be worth a look.
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No they’re not giving up on the season, but Clemson always struggles at Syracuse.
 
I dunno bout laying 13 w mizzou but Luther burden should have another monster game vs vandy d!! They have had wrs going for 100+ on them every week they have faced a fbs team, even the little cup cake school
Had a kid go for 83. and burden is special!

Im gonna have to put some money offshore or check some the other USA books cause DK might offer more props but they don’t offer alt lines on the college kids. I was pissed cause I wanted to take burden ov 100-125-150 last week but no such option, friend of mine had 154 at 19-1 at bol, tried telling him to take it!! Think he punked out after 125 tho!
 
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Pitt looks like a bad matchup for Hokies. Yes Pitt might play with garbage transfer QB who's even worse than Jurkovec, but Hokies can't do shit against the run -- even against teams who can't pass well. Hokies wide receiver injuries really suck (Wells is bad enough!) because their run-blocking has been awful. While they are running the ball better now, it's going to be too hard to run on Pitt.
 
VirginiaCavs said:
Pitt looks like a bad matchup for Hokies. Yes Pitt might play with garbage transfer QB who's even worse than Jurkovec, but Hokies can't do shit against the run -- even against teams who can't pass well. Hokies wide receiver injuries really suck (Wells is bad enough!) because their run-blocking has been awful. While they are running the ball better now, it's going to be too hard to run on Pitt.
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It’s crazy there another acc team so bad you could consider pitt! This could somehow be a harder watch than pitt/wvu!! This total has to be pretty low?? Thankfully I havnt made it to this game yet, lol.
 
Love TCU this week at home. Watched most of the SMU game and was impressed how Morris was distributing the ball, their speed on the flanks and how the defense is now flying around. They'd beat Colorado by DD+ if they played this weekend but they had their chance and that's in the rearview mirror.
 
2daBank said:
I really ain’t been getting involved w buffs outside playing some running back props against them but I def found it odd they getting more at home vs usc that at Autzen which I think we all agree a tougher task if only cause of venue, which team better I think debatable.
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ASU will move the ball at will but I think Colorado will have a lot of success as well. I was thinking we'd see 14.5-17 range.
 
2daBank said:
Clemson running for over 200 on duke doesn’t bode real well here I don’t think. I trust Hartman way more than klubnick to finish drives: there just no way I see ND losing this game so -5.5 doesn’t feel all that big a number to me.
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Ya, I like Duke less the more I look at it. Irish losing the way they did not great for my Duke bet. I was initially thinking let down game but now they're getting skewered for their blunder.
 
VirginiaCavs said:
Pitt looks like a bad matchup for Hokies. Yes Pitt might play with garbage transfer QB who's even worse than Jurkovec, but Hokies can't do shit against the run -- even against teams who can't pass well. Hokies wide receiver injuries really suck (Wells is bad enough!) because their run-blocking has been awful. While they are running the ball better now, it's going to be too hard to run on Pitt.
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And who the fuck decided this would be a great game to have at night? Lmao. Yuk!! That worries me a bit bro, I still havnt even tried capping it but don’t the Hokies generally create a pretty tough environment at home in night games? I dunno if that really applies these days but I know it used to be a tough task to win a night game there, of course frank Beamer was the coach and Vick played qb!! Lol
 
So tech has moved off Wells at qb? I seriously have no clue bout this Drones fella, dunno who he is, never seen him play. I assume it can’t be any worse than Wells? Looks like he can move.
 
The funniest maybe craziest thing last week was I somehow cashed iowa te All ov 28.5 yards when the team only had 76 total yards? He got those 33 yards in the 1st qtr too!! Unfortunately for him and iowa on his 2md good play that woulda had them in the red zone he fumbled, after that I assume psu d figured out he was the only real threat on the field!! Pretty nuts to hit a te ov prop wjen the qb only throws for like 43 yards! I would think All have a nice week coming vs Sparty.
 
2daBank said:
Need @M.W. To tell me the state of things at Clemson far as mindset, if they giving up on season? Honestly don’t think cuse pop gun offense should be able to move the ball on them. Cuse did manage 21 last year (14 the season prior), for some reason they let Schroeder compete a ton his dink and dunk passes while getting 71 yards on 21 carry’s!! I’m assuming cuse team total be about 23 considering spread and total right now, that feels like more points than cuse should score if clemson comes into this game mad rather than dejected? Also Shipley and Mafa went nuts running on cuse last year so they might be worth a look.
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Clemson looks worse than reality.

Losses to FSU and Duke and the other games dont really count for anything. This is a prime time ABC TV game.

Syracuse? First 2 games dont mean much and wins over Army and Purdue ? yes they took care of business but Purdue is a Middle Big 10 team.

I really thing Clemson steps up and shows up big this week.
 
Nc St. +3.5 they are off to a bad start but this line shows how bad they have been. This is the first opportunity to back them at a better than average price compared to their previous lines this season.

They are a home dog and to Louisville and the last time Nc St. was a home dog to Notre Dame and that line was +7. There is no comparing Louisville to Notre Dame and this line is close to the same.

Ill take a chance on NC St. +3.5
 
S. Alabama +3

they scored 30+ last 3 and the fact that they were -17 last week is something that I can support after that terrible loss. Now they are a dog again.
JMU has played 3 bad defenses and a huge consensus on them. Consensus doesnt mean auto play but its one tool in the box for me.

I think line value for S.ALA +3
 
E.MCH +7.5 CMU with back to back covers against Notre dame and n upset big line win vs. S.ALA. Problem for CMU is their D.

-7.5 is too much here.
 
NIU +12.5 I got +14.5 but either way I like the dog. Maybe NIU was looking ahead last week. I watched their game last week as I had Tulsa. NIU didnt execute. Toledo pretty much controls this series but when the line reaches this many points the game stay within the range for a dog cover.

Toledo D did a nice job holding SJ St. to under 20 points but game up 30+ points to Illinois and W. Mich. NIU always is in the running for tops in the division.

Last week NIL -3 this week +12.5 and I dont think there is 16 points difference between Tulsa and Toledo.
 
Stanford +27.5 after the whooping Oregon did last week on prime time ABC its time the books put a stop to easy wins. Stanford was just as bad last season and their last season lines never got this high. Stanford suck but so does this line for Oregon.

Hold my nose here and take the home dog.
 
LSU under 66.5

I just dont think Ole Miss hangs a big number here. I know LSU is scoring but this line total is 10+ points more than last week.

Using 66.5 line is all of their past matchups the over would be 4-13.
 
DaRaiders said:
80% to the Under!

How low can you go.........since 2011 only 26 CFB games have had a total of under 37 points, like Iowa/ Mich St

The O/U record is 5-20-1 (80% to the Under)!
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I gotta assume a chunk of those are the armed forces schools playing each other as they almost always 37 or less and almost always go under!!
 
carolinablue said:
Missed 19 but like my 18.5, as I think KU can keep it within two scores or maybe even win SU if they can avoid turning the ball over.
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Ku winning wouldn’t be all that shocking to me, actually be more shocking if texas doesn’t stub their toe at some point! Not to worried that I missed a few points, really what’s the difference between 17.5 and anything before 20? Obviously I didn’t get the hook so I could see pushing instead of winning but hell, I’m pretty sure I woulda played ku getting 2 tds. They either stay inside 2 scores or it a blowout where maybe I back door comes in but that not what I’m looking for, I think they can hang.

You think ku correlates w over? I’m not real confident they can stop the horns so think we gonna need them to score!!
 
spottie2935 said:
LSU under 66.5

I just dont think Ole Miss hangs a big number here. I know LSU is scoring but this line total is 10+ points more than last week.

Using 66.5 line is all of their past matchups the over would be 4-13.
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I tend to agree bout ol miss struggling to put up points, mentioned this somewhere else but I don’t really buy dart as a thrower, obviously he can get the ball to guys and make plays the offense sets up but end the day if you stop ol miss rushing attack I don’t think he gonna drop back and carve ya up. I think you need a qb capable of doing that to stress lsu d, I’m pretty confident they will be tough to run on. Like I said before playing bama last week something seems wrong w Rebs offense, dart the leading rusher and they havnt been able to get Judkins off. I’d think it be more of the same here, wish I woulda played the under last week instead of just bama but I’ve gotten roasted on so many sec unders in 4th qrtrs the last few years I’m a bit shy bout betting them!!

I’d prob look 1st half before full game just because of that and the fact ol miss has been a part of several those redic 40+ point 4th qrtrs!! Actually leaned lsu/ark under last week and 1st half played true to that. Really can’t see any reason not to split it into halves? If they go over the 1st half total odds of them slowing down enough to hit game under seem unlikely, plus you can always play it again at half with most likely a higher number if they surpass 1st half total! Maybe there a hole in that logic, I’m not sure but I’ve been on so many unders in this conference I’ve felt so good about for a half, sometimes 3 qrtrs and still ended up getting beat I rather approach them 1 half at a time.
 
spottie2935 said:
Stanford +27.5 after the whooping Oregon did last week on prime time ABC its time the books put a stop to easy wins. Stanford was just as bad last season and their last season lines never got this high. Stanford suck but so does this line for Oregon.

Hold my nose here and take the home dog.
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Trees have a pretty good history of playing ducks tough don’t they? I dunno about recently but i recall many times this game being closer than expected. Trees have fallen way off tho, personally I don’t like betting these spreads once they get into the 20s, I’m just not good at figuring them out!! Unless I love things about the dog I pretty much ignore these. Not sure there much to love bout trees these days?
 
spottie2935 said:
Nc St. +3.5 they are off to a bad start but this line shows how bad they have been. This is the first opportunity to back them at a better than average price compared to their previous lines this season.

They are a home dog and to Louisville and the last time Nc St. was a home dog to Notre Dame and that line was +7. There is no comparing Louisville to Notre Dame and this line is close to the same.

Ill take a chance on NC St. +3.5
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I wish I had a better feel for ville defense and the team in general now that Brohm the coach. I think ncst d has fallen off a bit tho, I usually trust them to be pretty good, I don’t think they awful just not sure as stout as previous years? Still could be the best d ville has faced depending what you think of indiana d but they held them to 21 and scoreless in 2nd half.

I like to be able to have some kind of picture how I think a game will play out and I have no clue what ncst offense vs ville d looks like? My concern would be the last few years when ville faced Armstrong at uva they were able to totally take his legs away, they held him to negative rush yards in both games and even with a new staff I assume they still have comparable athletes in the front 7 capable of making him 1 dimensional. He was able to throw for lots of yards in those games tho, just not sure I want to back him as a pure passer and not able to move the chains with his legs?? I think if you have team speed and any ability to watch film/game plan this offense is not real difficult to bottle up.

Maybe 55.5 is too high?? I have no interest playing ville as road favs I’m just not sure i want to back ncst either.
 
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