Week 4 What Are We Learning

Horrible clock management at the end of OT by Green Bay.

Brutal.

Chargers 6.0 ypp
Giants 3.6 ypp

Only way you lose those games is turnovers. The two interceptions only led to TWO yards of offense total -- but 10 points

Speaking of turnovers...

The Eagles had 200 yards TOTAL. Are you serious?

Eagles 3.4 ypp
Bucs 5.5 ypp

* Yes I know there is a big loss on the safety but not counting that the EAGLES had 19 2h yards.

Speaking of turnovers PART 3....

San Francisco had 4 turnovers while Jacksonville kept a clean sheet.

You know what? Let's highlight turnovers some more!! Bears @ Raiders was another one where that basically decided the game..

Bears 4.2 ypp
Raiders 6.9 ypp

Turnovers : 4-1 Raiders!

Add in a blocked FG to end the game by the Bears.

At least we seen the Jeanty breakthrough game!
 
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B.A.R. said:
Horrible clock management at the end of OT by Green Bay.

Brutal.

Chargers 6.0 ypp
Giants 3.6 ypp

Only way you lose those games is turnovers. The two interceptions only led to TWO yards of offense total -- but 10 points

Speaking of turnovers...

The Eagles had 200 yards TOTAL. Are you serious?

Eagles 3.4 ypp
Bucs 5.5 ypp

* Yes I know there is a big loss on the safety but not counting that the EAGLES had 19 2h yards.

Speaking of turnovers PART 3....

San Francisco had 4 turnovers while Jacksonville kept a clean sheet.

You know what? Let's highlight turnovers some more!! Bears @ Raiders was another one where that basically decided the game..

Bears 4.2 ypp
Raiders 6.9 ypp

Turnovers : 4-1 Raiders!

Add in a blocked FG to end the game by the Bears.

At least we seen the Jeanty breakthrough game!
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Agree on clock mgt. What was Lefleur thinking. Brutal indeed
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Quick comments on a few of the games:

Pittsburgh/Minnesota: say what you want but Pittsburgh will always win enough to keep Tomlin around which is just what the fans don't want. Say what you want about Rodgers but if they can keep him upright they will stay competitive. Steelers defintely won the QB switch with the team that shall go unnamed. I still think Arthur Smith is a bum but he outcoached Flores who is a good coordinator

Detroit/Cleveland: the Lions are just a great organization with a top of the line front office. They've overcome losing Ben Johnson which is a surprise to me and the defense has improved without the albatross DC.

Houston/Tennessee: still don't trust the Houston offense but they got the job done in a must win game. As for Tennessee you have to wonder how long Callahan has before he's rightfully fired and what does that mean for Cam Ward. Does the next coach get a say on Ward or do they have to agree he's the guy in order to get the job.

New England/Carolina: coming off a big shutout win Carolina goes back to doing what it does best and thats losing and losing big. Didn't see any of this game but I guess I have to begrudgingly give New England credit for a blowout win.

NYG/ LAC: I'll take this as west coast team coming off three divisional wins not being awake for an eraly start. Other than that nothing has changed; Chargers are a well coached team that is a contender and the Giants won't win many more. Shame for Nabers but this team isn't going anywhere regardless

Jacksonville/SF: don't want to make too much of one game but I think the Niners championship window is closed shut but maybe they'll prove me wrong. Coen doing a nice job with the Jags so @VirginiaCavs should be happy with the direction of the organization.

Baltimore/KC: great effort out of the Chiefs and big worries for Baltimore especially that defense which looks awful.

GB/Dallas: Pretty sure a decent high school could put up 30 on Dallas. Schottenheimer is not and has never been a good coach but he is the puppet that Jerry wants and deserves.
 
Still a week-to-week league. Panthers win 30-0 one week and lose 42-13 the next. Falcons lose 30-0 then put up 34 on Washington. Bills coasting as a 16-point favorite was not surprising. There are teams with structural issues:

- Vikings allow 131 yards rushing to a backup RB against a team averaging 63 yards a week. The Bengals whooping was a mirage....Atlanta had run them over for 218 yards the week before so there is still a problem. Both Pittsburgh and Atlanta ran off tackle very well, so the problem is LBs and DBs. Vikings also have a major QB problem....McCarthy just isn't ready yet and Wentz cannot take care of the ball. Exceeding tough stretch coming up after their Week 6 bye. Yikes.

- Steelers have been outgained all four games rather convincingly. Turnovers have gotten them to 3-1. 2nd oldest team in the league has guys dropping weekly, this week it was Ramsey and Austin. They get the bye to rest from their trip, then a couple of more backup QBs to start 13 straight weeks of games, meeting up with Love, Indy Jones, Herbert, Caleb, Allen, Lamar twice and Goff in Detroit.

- Speaking of the Lions, look like they have their swagger back. But Cleveland's D is still playing well, only 277 yards allowed. Time for the kid QBs to get their turn once they come back to US. BTW. Steelers get their bye after Europe. Vikings get their bye after two Europe games. Browns come back from Europe and have a road game at Pittsburgh the next week? Browns, Jets, Broncos and Falcons all play the week after their Europe game, but only the Browns go on the road.

- Jaguars have collected at least 3 turnovers in every game so far. Think they can do that next week against Mahomes? I didn't think so.

- What a difference having Worthy back means to the Chiefs offense. And in a couple of more weeks they get Rice back too. They're baaack.

- Bills are losing interest against inferior opponents. After New England next week they play 7 of the next 10 on the road. Circle these games: at Miami Week 10 is a sandwich game following KC at Buff and precedes Tampa at Buff. Week 16 at Cleveland follows at game at New England and a week 17 Super Bowl preview vs. Philly.

- Love Dart's mobility but the Giants air attack took a massive hit with Nabors out. Too bad, they were going be dangerous in some home games vs Philly, San Fran, Green Bay, Washington and Minnesota. Still might be, I dunno. Their DL is legit and Skattebo reminds me of Berman going "boom" with every collision.
 
BTW the Ravens better get some of the coffee the Cowboys and Packers are drinking. Star defensive tackle Justin Madubuike (neck/out for season), linebacker Kyle Van Noy (hamstring), Roquan Smith (hamstring) and cornerbacks Marlon Humphrey (calf) and Nate Wiggins (elbow).....that's five key guys hurt from a defense that has been struggling since Week 1. They will need to score score score. Cooper Rush is just a horrible fit for backup there....it's a mystery to me why Harbaugh brought him in. Harbaugh better get to rubbing Lamar's hammy every day. Sometimes a team puts something on the game film that puts a team into a funk until they can figure out a counter move or run into a team that can't execute it.....I wonder if the way Detroit rushed Lamar last week is just that kind of tape. The Chiefs are certainly capable of watching film and duplicating a defensive strategy.
 
IF the Raiders adopt an early 2000s Baltimore Ravens mindset offensively, they might be able to win more right now. Aka Geno Smith needs to manage the game way better, go Trent Dilfer mode and prioritize not losing the game instead of trying to win the game. Legit the reason they lost yesterday was because of his interceptions...you simply can't give your opponent THAT MANY chances like that. Yeah the Raider defense was able to make stands and hold the Bears to FGs, but that's still points being scored.

That being said though....there's zero chance it happens because 1) Chip Kelly is the OC and that's simply not in his blood to play that way and 2) Petey loves Geno and he won't handcuff him
 
Colts are legitimately a contender in the AFC. Obviously a lot of mistakes cost them but the Rams made their share. I attended this game and it was the best home crowd I’ve ever seen in LA. Verse and Puka are both dealing with hand/wrist injuries. Keep an eye on that for this Thursday injury report.
 
wiseplayer said:
Colts are legitimately a contender in the AFC. Obviously a lot of mistakes cost them but the Rams made there share. I attended this game and it was the best home crowd I’ve ever seen in LA. Verse and Puka are both dealing with hand/wrist injuries. Keep an eye on that for this Thursday injury report.
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Puka injury occur in this game?
 
wiseplayer said:
Colts are legitimately a contender in the AFC. Obviously a lot of mistakes cost them but the Rams made their share. I attended this game and it was the best home crowd I’ve ever seen in LA. Verse and Puka are both dealing with hand/wrist injuries. Keep an eye on that for this Thursday injury report.
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I think they are improved but contender is a stretch to me. Credit to the comeback vs Denver but they beat Miami and the Titans. They faced 2 competent offenses and allowed 28 & 27 points. Daniel Jones will come back down to earth a la Darnold last season. That being said he has a great offense around him. If you take Taylor away as much as that's possible they will struggle. I suspect they have a terrible run D that teams haven't yet exposed fully. Allowing 4.5 ypc (same as Taylor is averaging) 96 per game now they get Jeanty so we will see.
 
The Bills are coasting. Frustrating game to watch but really had no worry about a su loss at all. Some thoughts

Allen is def being advised to NOT run the ball as much. Very evident after this one where he breaks a 27 yd run when they need it most, but was there for the whole game if he wanted it. Even on the goal line they go to Shakir on 4th when it's usually an obvious Allen run. So long as Cook is doing what he is doing they have no real need for Allen to take off.

Speaking of Cook I at first thought they may still limit his usage, and boy was I wrong. They paid him for a reason and I think he will continue to get all the touches on the ground. 5.3 ypc and 5 tds already.... I don't expect it to stop. Last season they used the extra ol in the run game but now they have te Hawes who every time I watch is obliterating someone. He's only been targeted 4x but caught everything but the holes he creates? I'm telling you guys this kid is an amazing blocker and the O-line is already among the best in the NFL. Van Dermark had a tough task coming off the bench vs Cam Jordan and allowed a sack... Assuming Spencer Brown is back soon they will continue to pound the run.

Defensively they are working through injuries and still have ??? in the secondary. Oliver being out has allowed rookie Deone Walker to play more and he's playing well. Ogunjobi comes back off suspension soon I think the line could be unreal if they all ever get healthy together. Secondary is shaky I think Tre White is nearing washed then he makes a great play. I don't trust him vs a real offense. Cole Bishop is trending upwards and it looks like he finally found his game. I think SS Rapp is a liability and that's where I would make a move if any. Damar is not the answer either.

I don't think I'll be on the Bills ats much with these big spreads, but they will likely make a great teaser candidate for most of the season. We'll know more when they play KC & TB later in oct/nov.
 
Lexington 125 said:
I think they are improved but contender is a stretch to me. Credit to the comeback vs Denver but they beat Miami and the Titans. They faced 2 competent offenses and allowed 28 & 27 points. Daniel Jones will come back down to earth a la Darnold last season. That being said he has a great offense around him. If you take Taylor away as much as that's possible they will struggle. I suspect they have a terrible run D that teams haven't yet exposed fully. Allowing 4.5 ypc (same as Taylor is averaging) 96 per game now they get Jeanty so we will see.
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Colts aren’t the level of Buffalo and KC but they’re just as good as the rest of the AFC. Ravens have slipped with all their injuries.
 
Question for the audience, I was watching this when it happened.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1972827824009494565

Which of the following do you think explains this?

1) He was grateful for the fans acknowledgement
2) He was happy to get out of playing the rest of this miserable season in Miami
3) He's just a pain loving psychopath
4) All of the above

Hint - It's either 3 or 4.
 
RetroRetrovk said:
Most likely he just got news that he wasn't being prosecuted for his latest crime, Gandolf. Hill is a piece of crap
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I stopped at the bar to watch some baseball yesterday. This guy walks in sits down and before he even orders a drink says “you know how many fucking kids Tyreek Hill got?!” In the loudest yat accent. I about spit my drink
 
There is a writeup in the Chronicle about CJ finally getting his pre-snap reads locked-in and having a positive effect on the OC playcalling.
 
austinhous said:
There is a writeup in the Chronicle about CJ finally getting his pre-snap reads locked-in and having a positive effect on the OC playcalling.
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If they don't improve dramatically on the OL it's irrelevant. Whoa they are brutal.
 
B.A.R. said:
Grass fields would help, a lot.

Field turf injuries occur at a much higher rate.

Cool it a bit on the workouts too -- pushing bodies too much.
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Whole reason the Cards have the field on a track to get sun during the week yet everyone still complains about the footing when they play big games here. Hard to win either way.
 
KJ said:
Whole reason the Cards have the field on a track to get sun during the week yet everyone still complains about the footing when they play big games here. Hard to win either way.
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That field is atrocious. So many ACLs.

I understand what they are trying to do though.

I'd love to see some data on injuries at Levi's stadium. What's another real grass spot? Foxboro.
 
B.A.R. said:
That field is atrocious. So many ACLs.

I understand what they are trying to do though.

I'd love to see some data on injuries at Levi's stadium. What's another real grass spot? Foxboro.
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Interesting that it's basically split between turf and grass

www.profootballnetwork.com

List of NFL Stadiums With Grass or Turf: Full Details Ahead of the 2025 NFL Season

Across the 30 NFL stadiums, 15 use turf and 15 feature real grass. Let's examine each field's playing surface ahead of the 2025 NFL season.
www.profootballnetwork.com www.profootballnetwork.com
 
B.A.R. said:
Grass fields would help, a lot.

Field turf injuries occur at a much higher rate.

Cool it a bit on the workouts too -- pushing bodies too much.
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It seems most of the $30 - $40m wr and edge guys are either injured or having bad years so far. AJ Brown, Mclauren doing nothing so far. Bosa out as usual. Dallas totally neutralized Parsons the other night. Cincy sucks with Chase Higgins though I know burrow out. Teams like buffalo balt kc gb (with wr anyway) don't pay the big wr money. Guess u got to spend cap somewhere but I'd argue build inside out and pay the lines. And most of all pay for depth because injuries are everything in nfl. Especially backup qb. You have to have depth or you have no chance. GB paying Parsons $48m year just is ridiculous imo. And I think he's awesome. qb is only position I can see that kind of money.
 
KJ said:
Interesting that it's basically split between turf and grass

www.profootballnetwork.com

List of NFL Stadiums With Grass or Turf: Full Details Ahead of the 2025 NFL Season

Across the 30 NFL stadiums, 15 use turf and 15 feature real grass. Let's examine each field's playing surface ahead of the 2025 NFL season.
www.profootballnetwork.com www.profootballnetwork.com
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This may identify when the actual “finishing touch” of the injury happens, but doesn’t take into account or measure the cumulative effect on the body of playing and or practicing on turf vs grass. It would be interesting to see the rates of injuries and if it corresponds with an increase of the prevalence of turf fields….
 
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