Week 14 discussion thread

D-Woww · Dec 6, 2012

C-MAN said:
Jeez. Someone calling for Joe Webb? That (and the QB's on The roster in Arz) should tell you something about the lack of QB talent/depth in the NFL. Then again, I guess you could consider Webb a decent backup when you consider some of the alternatives.

i think the guys good. every time hes played hes either won or led a crazy comeback that came up just short. hes got legs and a good arm. his game fits in well with the direction the league is going

Lexington 125 · Dec 6, 2012

wiseplayer said:
I'm guessing its because the Rams play like dog meat on the road. They'll struggle to contain Buffalo's offense of Spiller, Jackson and Johnson. Also, the Rams came up empty vs the Jets (at home) after they played the Niners. They might come up empty again after another OT game. Lets face it, Bradford is very talented but he just doesn't have what it takes mentally to win in this type of situation. What are the chances he plays well in this spot? I give the Rams a 15% chance to win this game because of Bradford.

I really think you guys are being hard on the Rams road outcomes. They played the Lions close week one & covered, then had to face the Bears week 3 who were off a loss @GB- what did you think was going to happen? After that a 3 pt loss to Miami, then a tie & a win. Much better than Buffalo otr.

Let's talk a little about this matchup....frankly I'm surprised that you are so down on your team after they just won in ot. I will be there and would love a Bills win but I don't see it the same way. The most frequently overlooked matchup for many is the O Line, and one glance @ the Bills current situation is enough to keep me off. Wood is done for the next couple games, and as of yesterday's practice it was still up in the air whether rookie Snow or Urbik would get the nod at center. Either way there's trouble, Hairston hasn't practiced yet either with a deep bone bruise. If he doesn't go I think the Bills will struggle to get top 20 pts. Long vs Young is a mismatch big time, and I suspect the Bills are well aware of that having already stated they are prepared to keep the te & rb back to help block. Stevie J still hasn't practiced and if the oline struggles Fitz won't be able to stretch the field anyway. If the Rams get pressure with the front four alone, it will be a low scoring affair.

Defensively, Buffalo's front four has looked much improved- Everyone's hate for Mario and his slow start has dissipated with his recent play. Mark Anderson is still out, but I do still think the Bills line will get pressure on Bradford. Kelsay to the ir & the release of Morrison imo are non factors, neither were making any significant defensive contributions. My worries with the Bills defense lie in the secondary. Can't believe I'm saying this but the Bills MUST have Leodis in this game. Things have gotten so bad that they are trying to rush Aaron Williams back- trust me it's not a positive should he return, I put him in the bottom 5 cbs in the NFL. Buffalo just added a cb to the active roster as well TJ Heath, he's probably awesome. Bottom line the Bills will likely hassle Bradford enough to keep him in check, but there will be big play potential when he has time to survey the field. I would go as far as to say the Rams have the definitive edge in the passing game. Hard to say who really has the edge in the run game here, as the Bills D allows more ypc but they have the better rb tandem.

wiseplayer · Dec 6, 2012

Lex, points well taken. I'm not down on the team as much as I am with Bradford. His defense has covered his butt the last 2 weeks with 3 TDs and a safety. That's 23 of the 37pts they've scored. Greg Z has accounted for 6pts. The Rams offense has generated 2 TDs in those games. If we want to go back 1 more game vs the Jets, we had 1 TD vs that pathetic team. For the rest of the players. This is a team that has feasted on rookie QBs or 1st year starters.
They're a team that on every big play, gets it called back because they can't line up properly on the line of scrimmage. OR they get a holding penalty OR they false start. It's an undisciplined team. As much as people think, Fisher has shown and admitted to not properly managing the clock at the end of games. His DBs last week were playing 10 yards off the WRs on 3rd and long. giving them easy 3rd down conversions. Bradford still has a deer in the headlights look when calling plays and waiting for plays to be called in.
If Fisher strikes big in the next 2 drafts, we'll be in good shape. Until then, this team is doing it with smoke and mirrors vs inexperienced QBs.

C-MAN · Dec 6, 2012

I am seeing lots of Oakland love.

D-Woww · Dec 6, 2012

I am too but thats just here and on twitter and I only follow good bettors. I think ur seeing the oakland love bc the ppl ur following know their shit. I bet that overall the higher % is on Denver. Kinda like the Skins on Monday. Everyone here was on em, but the majority of public was on NYG.

If someone can post the %'s that would be awesome.

Lexington 125 · Dec 6, 2012

Hairston to the IR for Buffalo. What a turn of events for an oline that was incredibly deep to start the season. Rams+2.5+110 @ 5dimes right now. Would also add the Rams kicking game has an edge over Buffalo's.

MusicCityGambler · Dec 6, 2012

D-Woww said:
im starting to like the Colts a lot. They have bad pass d, but their run d is alright, and I don't trust Locker to exploit the pass d much. Could easily see a 27-17 game

I think the over is the best play. First game went under.Titans off two unders. Luck heating up. Titans with no defense. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Titans keep it close or actually win this, they're volatile enough to do it.

C-MAN · Dec 6, 2012

I don't have a strong feeling either way, but I do not believe Peyton is as prone to a letdown in these types of games as some other big name QB's in the league.

Play2win · Dec 6, 2012

RJ Bell‏<s>@</s>RJinVegas On a yards per play basis, only 3 teams have a better offense than <s>#</s>Broncos. Surprisingly, only 1 team has a better defense.

2daBank · Dec 7, 2012

Lexington 125 said:
I really think you guys are being hard on the Rams road outcomes. They played the Lions close week one & covered, then had to face the Bears week 3 who were off a loss @GB- what did you think was going to happen? After that a 3 pt loss to Miami, then a tie & a win. Much better than Buffalo otr.

Let's talk a little about this matchup....frankly I'm surprised that you are so down on your team after they just won in ot. I will be there and would love a Bills win but I don't see it the same way. The most frequently overlooked matchup for many is the O Line, and one glance @ the Bills current situation is enough to keep me off. Wood is done for the next couple games, and as of yesterday's practice it was still up in the air whether rookie Snow or Urbik would get the nod at center. Either way there's trouble, Hairston hasn't practiced yet either with a deep bone bruise. If he doesn't go I think the Bills will struggle to get top 20 pts. Long vs Young is a mismatch big time, and I suspect the Bills are well aware of that having already stated they are prepared to keep the te & rb back to help block. Stevie J still hasn't practiced and if the oline struggles Fitz won't be able to stretch the field anyway. If the Rams get pressure with the front four alone, it will be a low scoring affair.

Defensively, Buffalo's front four has looked much improved- Everyone's hate for Mario and his slow start has dissipated with his recent play. Mark Anderson is still out, but I do still think the Bills line will get pressure on Bradford. Kelsay to the ir & the release of Morrison imo are non factors, neither were making any significant defensive contributions. My worries with the Bills defense lie in the secondary. Can't believe I'm saying this but the Bills MUST have Leodis in this game. Things have gotten so bad that they are trying to rush Aaron Williams back- trust me it's not a positive should he return, I put him in the bottom 5 cbs in the NFL. Buffalo just added a cb to the active roster as well TJ Heath, he's probably awesome. Bottom line the Bills will likely hassle Bradford enough to keep him in check, but there will be big play potential when he has time to survey the field. I would go as far as to say the Rams have the definitive edge in the passing game. Hard to say who really has the edge in the run game here, as the Bills D allows more ypc but they have the better rb tandem.

i agree with a lot of this, i actually think both teams will struggle to put up 20 here, both terrible on 3rd down, both struggles to put up tds when they actually get in red zone, both can play some d and both be perfectly happy handing the ball off a bunch of times, and both like to commit drive killing penalties,,i see a lot of punts and a lot of fgs, prob be a sp/d score and maybe another set up but still think 41 about the ceiling for this gm..grabbed un 43 when it popped up at bm earlier in the week... feel much better there than a side as i watched what stl did last time they went ot ot vs sf and it wasnt pretty and that was at home....

2daBank · Dec 7, 2012

why am i on post review? that strange i like this thread and baseball one in summer, not sure i ever did anything worthy of being on review???????

strange this posted but thoughts i posted on rams gm said post had to be reviewed and never posted?

2daBank · Dec 7, 2012

Lex i agree buf will struggle to score as will stl, both teams struggle on 3rd down, both teams struggle in red zone, both teams commit drive killing penalties..i wouldnt trust rams here simply cause they own the nfc west then struggle with everyone else and still fresh in my mind the way they played after 1st sf ot gm when jets curb stomped them in the dome, i doubt we see that again but i just dont see a lot of offense as both defenses more than capable, even factoring in a couple sp/d plays whether scores or leading to scores i made this 41 so i played un 43 when i saw it...feel better with total than side in this one....had more thoughts but not sure what happened to post?

Aztec4Life · Dec 7, 2012

Takes some balls to back a Cardinals team that statistically has the worst offense in the league...not to mention Skelton is now back under center. Even with Browner starting his four game suspension this week, it's Seattle or no play, IMO.

No joke...Wilson shows improvement every single week. In his last four games, he's completed nearly 70% of his passes for an average of 220 yards per game, with 9 TD's and 0 INT's. The kid has been red hot.

Seattle is 5-0 SU and 5-0 ATS at home this season. I know all trends are meant to be broken/snapped at some point, but I don't think this is the week to fade the Hawks.

2daBank · Dec 7, 2012

Aztec4Life said:
Takes some balls to back a Cardinals team that statistically has the worst offense in the league...not to mention Skelton is now back under center. Even with Browner starting his four game suspension this week, it's Seattle or no play, IMO.

i played ov 35.5...cards gonna throw a lot and while sea still has one stud corner but one out and trufant a little gimpy, that hurts the depth on nickle most id assume and think skelton will throw a lot w 3 wr sets cause cards throw a lot, think either he puts up points or gives some away..zona d solid but they can be had with big plays especially if you pound rock on them, wilson loving the big play, and this thing only 35.5? maybe im way off and this plays out ugly as shit and that how zona stays close, but im pretty confident sea puts up 21-24 ish,,mybe little higher with a defensive/sp teams play..think zona good for 2 scores, maybe 1 td and 2 fgs but hell that enough but again think zona could make a d/sp play as well as their corners will take chances either way cant hurt the scoring..number seems too damn low to me as this a typical 38 gm and id prob pass at that number but lean over...

Aztec4Life · Dec 7, 2012

I get what you're saying, 2daBank. The question is, can a terrible Cards O Line give Skelton enough time to drop back and throw the deep ball? I personally wouldn't count on it happening. The Hawks rush D had been solid this season, and aside from AP ripping off a few big runs, they haven't given up much. I seriously doubt a one dimensional Cardinals offense will roll into the toughest stadium in the NFL and put up even a decent amount of points. I will be very surprised if Zona surpasses 16-17 points on Sunday. The Hawks have given up a meager 13.8 points per game at home this season...and that includes games against Green Bay and New England.

2daBank · Dec 7, 2012

Aztec4Life said:
I get what you're saying, 2daBank. The question is, can a terrible Cards O Line give Skelton enough time to drop back and throw the deep ball? I personally wouldn't count on it happening. The Hawks rush D had been solid this season, and aside from AP ripping off a few big runs, they haven't given up much. I seriously doubt a one dimensional Cardinals offense will roll into the toughest stadium in the NFL and put up even a decent amount of points. I will be very surprised if Zona surpasses 16-17 points on Sunday.

i think all they need is 13 tops to get us there cause if sea is all over skelton which is very likely id go out on a limb and say they create a few turnovers which makes them putting up 24 very likely imo..like i said if this was the 38 i think it should be i would worry bout zona offense more but i think asking them to get me 13ish is more than reasonable..zona d should play well enough at times to get them a few reasonably short fields, 13 all im asking for! lol....

Aztec4Life · Dec 7, 2012

I gotcha. Yeah, that's plausible bro. GL if you play the Over.

nbafan88 · Dec 7, 2012

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