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Week 13 What Are We Learning
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2daBank
Voice of Reason
I didn’t even know they won till I heard scores on radio on way back to casino before night game, lol. Man vikings with another game that gonna make their win share go up but goes down as a loss. Those metrics say they should have same record as Packers just about! No team finds way to lose games they had won quite like the Vikings this year.
How much time did lions have after vikings took lead? Couldn’t been much more than a minute. How your defense let Goff drive the field and score a td in that little time?
wiseplayer
Pretty much a regular
As bad as the Giants looked, Miami didn't look much better. What a cluster fuck that game was. Both teams lack NFL caliber players. Miami will never win a Super Bowl with Tua. He's a good backup at best.
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
Lions had 1:50 left for their game-winning drive. Goff had a key 3rd down pass along the sideline to reach midfield. Then they got two or three other sideline completions for decent yardage. They were able to run 14 plays in 110 seconds.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Wow. Only the Vikings could let lions find a win! Lol
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
It probably won't be mentioned because of Lamar's lousy two point pass to Andrews (like the third time that game he threw it just off his fingers), but I think Harbaugh made a great decision late in the game that almost paid off bigtime.
At the two minute warning the Steelers had it 2nd and 2 at the Ravens 13, driving to take the lead. The Ravens had all 3 timeouts left, but if the Steelers converted on 2nd down they could've theoretically run the clock down to about 40 seconds and take the lead with a FG. Or they could've converted on 3rd down and run the clock all the way down.
Instead, it looked to me like the Ravens intentionally went offsides, which gave Pittsburgh first and goal from the 8 but guaranteed the Ravens would get the ball back with at least 1:35 on the clock.
Of course the Steelers got the TD but that even left the Ravens a timeout to go with their 1:48. Which was enough time to score the TD that could've won the game. Just a great clock management move, something most coaches would not think to do.
At the two minute warning the Steelers had it 2nd and 2 at the Ravens 13, driving to take the lead. The Ravens had all 3 timeouts left, but if the Steelers converted on 2nd down they could've theoretically run the clock down to about 40 seconds and take the lead with a FG. Or they could've converted on 3rd down and run the clock all the way down.
Instead, it looked to me like the Ravens intentionally went offsides, which gave Pittsburgh first and goal from the 8 but guaranteed the Ravens would get the ball back with at least 1:35 on the clock.
Of course the Steelers got the TD but that even left the Ravens a timeout to go with their 1:48. Which was enough time to score the TD that could've won the game. Just a great clock management move, something most coaches would not think to do.
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
AFC Schedules rest of the way
NE - @Buf, @Ind, Buf, Jax, @Mia - Only 1 breather the rest of the way
Bills - NE, @Tampa, Car, @NE, Atl, NYJ - 3 of last 4 look like easy wins
Miami - Jets, @NO, @Ten, NE - Left them out but just added, they have a path to 9 wins and are red hot
Balt - @Cle, GB, @Cin, LAR, Pit - No pushovers there
Cinc - SF, @Den, Bal, KC, @Cle - Next two winnable but not easy, then a difficult finish
Pitt - @Min, Ten, @KC, Cle, @Bal - Tenn might not be as tough at earlier in the season, but rest will be difficult
Clev - Bal, LV, @GB, @Pit, Cin - Every game is an elimination game
Ten - Jax, @Pit, SF, Mia, @Hou - A couple of cupcakes surrounding 3 good tests
Ind - NE, @Ari, LV, @Jax - They need to split the next two to feel good about a playoff spot
KC - LV, @LAC, Pit, @Cin, @Den - Home games look good but those road games....
LAC - NYG, KC, @Hou, Den, @LV - If they can beat KC they might just take the division
LV - @KC, @Cle, Den, @Ind, LAC - Tough stretch of road games coming, and they just lost to WFT
Den - Det, Cin, @LV, @LAC, KC - Could get right back into the mix next two weeks, but then its do or die
NE - @Buf, @Ind, Buf, Jax, @Mia - Only 1 breather the rest of the way
Bills - NE, @Tampa, Car, @NE, Atl, NYJ - 3 of last 4 look like easy wins
Miami - Jets, @NO, @Ten, NE - Left them out but just added, they have a path to 9 wins and are red hot
Balt - @Cle, GB, @Cin, LAR, Pit - No pushovers there
Cinc - SF, @Den, Bal, KC, @Cle - Next two winnable but not easy, then a difficult finish
Pitt - @Min, Ten, @KC, Cle, @Bal - Tenn might not be as tough at earlier in the season, but rest will be difficult
Clev - Bal, LV, @GB, @Pit, Cin - Every game is an elimination game
Ten - Jax, @Pit, SF, Mia, @Hou - A couple of cupcakes surrounding 3 good tests
Ind - NE, @Ari, LV, @Jax - They need to split the next two to feel good about a playoff spot
KC - LV, @LAC, Pit, @Cin, @Den - Home games look good but those road games....
LAC - NYG, KC, @Hou, Den, @LV - If they can beat KC they might just take the division
LV - @KC, @Cle, Den, @Ind, LAC - Tough stretch of road games coming, and they just lost to WFT
Den - Det, Cin, @LV, @LAC, KC - Could get right back into the mix next two weeks, but then its do or die
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2daBank
Voice of Reason
good coaches are hard to find!!absolutely a really smart move.
Miami little overvalued - beaten bad teams; and not by much. Struggled to get margin on jets ? not good. Struggled to beat Texans ? not good.
I had giants today - don't think it was a horrible play - 2 not so great similar teams take the points. they could of covered, but a clear difference in offense between the teams. Giants need to rely on defensive turnovers to cover. Miami's oline still sucks - real bad. Tua doing great work with what he has - threw dimes late in that game to keep it going. Everyone was telling me brisset was as good or better than Tua, I don't believe it. They need better protection to go downfield but he's hitting high percentages now.
Giants team total under seems to be money plays. What's the prop's on the giants field goal kicker ? Judge loves kicking field goals. And the offense loves to suck if they get close to scoring position.
Kitchens worse than Garret ? I think so. ........Giants still a great dog though with that defense and field goals aren't always bad, just need double digits with these guys.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
everyone bangs tua but everyone loved brees (who i hated), i see no reason Tua cant be Brees, he has those same attributes with same questionable arm, think his arm right now better than bress was at the end and he was still serviceable.. disagree they cant win with Tua, mfer completes 70+%.. as mentioned their oline is horrific, and tua kinda frail so he gets dinged. let them take all their draft capitol and fix the oline next year and i think ppl will be singing a different song bout Tua.. I dont love him but i didnt like Brees! everyone told me how amazing brees was so i dunno why Tua cant be that? reminds me of him a lot..
2daBank
Voice of Reason
andy dalton makes me sick, that loser set up 4 tds for cards! then in garbage time he goes over his yardage prop by a half fucking yard. go choke on your ginger pubes andy. not just learning what a scrub he is, just felt like saying it!! if you gonna hang around being a way overpaid backup the least ya could do is not throw it to the wrong team over and over, is it really that hard? im sure it not!
while we on the subject of losers, way to keep calling your time outs and having dalton throw Nagy, show everyone how your teams dont quit! fucking F@g, why does this guy still have a job? this genius tried to delay fields learning to play dalton!! go away already and take the ginger with you. im so sick of watching the bears!
while we on the subject of losers, way to keep calling your time outs and having dalton throw Nagy, show everyone how your teams dont quit! fucking F@g, why does this guy still have a job? this genius tried to delay fields learning to play dalton!! go away already and take the ginger with you. im so sick of watching the bears!
skanless13
Fly, Eagles, Fly!
Good for them. They’ve had some brutal losses but keep fighting. I really like their coach.
skanless13
Fly, Eagles, Fly!
Lol. That’s hilarious
skanless13
Fly, Eagles, Fly!
Ravens continue to unimpress me.
Chiefs D continues to impress me after a rough start.
Rams love beating up on weak teams.
Is Tampa putting together another late season run.
Why does Arizona still seem under appreciated by many including myself.
Chiefs D continues to impress me after a rough start.
Rams love beating up on weak teams.
Is Tampa putting together another late season run.
Why does Arizona still seem under appreciated by many including myself.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
He aight, I could have did without the crying, I mean fuck, you won a game, you didn’t just find out your dog died!! They have lost a bunch of heartbreakers, the 66 yard fg comes to mind. Business as usual for vikings, they continue to snatch defeat from the hands of victory!!
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Ravens seem to be getting worse, they miss having good running backs and the d a shell of its former self.
Kc d has been fantastic but teddy be handed them that game, they def one of 2-3 best in afc but still have doubts, I think pats would beat them in playoffs or a healthy Titans be a problem for them (if they get healthy).
Without woods Rams are toast, obj couldn’t replace what he brings on his best day. He might have worked as the 3/deep threat but not in role they now need, don’t think they can handle the physical teams in nfc.
Speaking of which that the best thing bout zona. Not only are they explosive as hell when Murray healthy but it super impressive how physical they have become. Adding Conner was great move even tho he got stuffed 8x on goal line yesterday (costing me +360 for 2 tds!). They have playmakers all over on both sides the ball, I think it them and packers to see who goes to super bowl. I prob shouldn’t write off Brady but I don’t think tampa going back, whipping bad teams doesn’t impress me. Had they played a good team last week who not fuck ups like the colts they would have lost that game by margin most likely, colts just handed it to them as they often do.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
The football team should have lost that game yesterday about 5x but raiders just couldn’t make the plays that were begging to be made. The only reason the East still kinda up for grabs cause Dallas been so bad lately. No clue what gonna happen when they play each other 2x the next 3 weeks? Lol
Big daddy naught
Pretty much a regular
The eye test says wft has no shot, but their formula is simple. Keep the game low scoring and give yourself a chance to make plays late. They can’t get into a shootout w Dallas just don’t think they have enough firepower to match score for score. Losing Thomas no doubt hurts
Big daddy naught
Pretty much a regular
Wasn’t overly impressed by Kc. Denver d held them in check. Teddy singlehandedly gave them that game. Den left A LOT of points on the field. I still think physical teams can bully kc around, whether their d has been better or not.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Dallas is so poorly coached I would expect wft would be able to keep the game where they need it to compete. Diggs should be licking his chops tho, henekie stares at guys and makes some awful throws. I only saw maybe 20 plays and think I saw 3 balls that shoulda been picked off, lol.
Big daddy naught
Pretty much a regular
I think wash will have trouble keeping Dallas under 28 points, assuming lamb and cooper are 100%. Dallas should just bench zeke and roll w pollard imo but their run game is severely lacking. They are gonna have to let dak sling it 30+ times a game.
Dallas secondary can be thrown on but outside of Mclaurin not sure Heineke can take adv of that.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
I think Dallas offense is way more scary on paper or PlayStation than real life.
Big daddy naught
Pretty much a regular
Bc when they look good they look really good and it seems rn the offensive coordinators getting hc jobs are wayyy ahead of the d coordinators getting them
Zeke
Big Dick and Average Size Boat
I wish I hadn't seen the highlights this morning. After Campbell's 4th & 1 dick-step, the Vikes raise the bet by an even bigger fuck-up. That was a few minutes of poor decision-making.
Good debate for shit coaching of the week. I would nominate Campbell for that 4th & 1, Zimmer for no D on the game-losing drive & Harbaugh for going for 2 versus tying it. I get going for the W if you are maybe the Jets playing TB knowing you are unable to stop Brady if he gets the ball back, but c'mon.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Gotta disagree with ya on Harbaugh. In his presser he said they were out of corners, think it tough to say it a bad call when he knows his team way better than any of us amd felt like they wouldn’t fare well in ot. Don’t think this decisions should be judged by success or failure but ya gotta say the play was there, Lamar puts the pass on his wide open te hands and they come out winners. I don’t think there was anything wrong with the decisions for many reasons, 1st and foremost I think we gotta trust he knows his team and if his secondary decimated w injuries it prob the right move. Secondly I think Lamar and that offense has a better chance of converting a 2 point conversion than a lot of teams, I think their odds of getting the 2 are better than the coin flip going to ot would have been (at best).
2daBank
Voice of Reason
If we talking awful coaching decisions I gotta nominate Fangio for not taking the fg before halftime against kc, in a tight defensive game you gotta take the 3 points there! I dunno why you playing scared of chiefs offense when your d is dominating them?? You gotta take that fg, amd if ya gonna go for it for love of god give me something other than heavy formation run right up the middle trying to get 2.5 yards!!
brewers888
Chicken Little
Tua would have to complete 50 passes to throw for 300 yards.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
he has to get the ball out fast, they cant protect him long enough to throw down the field. fish in way better shape with him at qb than your jets are.
brewers888
Chicken Little
He can't throw the ball 20 yards in the air and stop making everything about Wilson. I get that you hate him and thats fine but thinking Tua is better is laughable.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
your hate of other guys who far better than wilson is laughable so i just give it right back to you.. sure he cant throw the ball 20 yards but was drafted 3rd, i watched him at bama, he throws it plenty far, there only one person being a fucking comedian here and it aint me. ive noticved most qbs with a darker shade are terrible in your opinion, hopefully just a strange coincidence.
brewers888
Chicken Little
If Tua is so good why have there been numerous reports that Miami is going to move on after the season. Forget what I think his own team doesn't believe in him.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
nobody said he was so good, but it hilarious how ya act like he cant play.. the reports are because the owner wants to win now and had a chance to get a guy who one the top 5-6 qbs in the league, im pretty damn sure if watson didnt have the rape thing hanging Jets and a bunch of other teams besides fish would give their qb up for watson in a heartbeat. Tua is also injury prone, of coure i would take Desaun Watson over him, as you would your qb, that dont mean tua aint better than wilson.
brewers888
Chicken Little
Miami will have a new QB next season even if its not watson. They know Tua is limited and will move on.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
no they wont
2daBank
Voice of Reason
he limited, lmfao,, there maybe 10 guys at most who not limited in one way or another. there not anyone in the draft worth starting over with instead of building with Tua, give him a real line and play caller then talk to me.. If they dump him before next year for anyone other than a top 10 guy like Watson they making a huge mistake and will be stuck being mediocre if they spend their resources on something that far from the most pressing needs. Of course if you think he cant throw 20 yards you never watched him in college and im wasting my time arguing bout it.
skanless13
Fly, Eagles, Fly!
I actually love the human emotion and passion
2daBank
Voice of Reason
im good with it, crying just a little too far for me, i can live with it cause he seems incredibly genuine and it obvious the team buys in/loves him, guess ive never understood happy crying, im more a sad crier myself, good sad movie gets me every time
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
Antonio Brown continues to be an unbridled, piece-of-garbage person. Ariens said in November 2020 that "if he screws up one time, he's gone". We'll see.
Brady took him in. How much longer does this thing last?
Brady took him in. How much longer does this thing last?
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
And they continue to have an unreliable and overrated QB. That pick that Jackson threw in the end zone was inexcusable and looked more Spencer Sanders than someone who was been anointed a "great QB" by the fawning media. And that 2-point conversion play, despite the rush, is a play that has to be made.
Great, great athlete. Will never be a great QB.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
i think that goes hand in hand with missing the backs, this offense is far far better when they dominating teams with the run game. earlier in the year it was great to see those couple games where they got behind and Lamar had to take the game over and he came back and won while playing fantastic on strength of mostly his arm. We needed to see that and so did they. The problem i see is either because the lack of running backs or because he did play so well in those comebacks the offense seems to have shifted away from what they do best. I think he can be a great qb, not in the sense we think of them as but great none the less, i dont think he ever be consistently amazing orchestrating a pass happy offense, at same time their OC will never have a successful pass happy system imo, his passing game philosophies have always been lacking imo. So it a terrible match in that regard, i think roman does a fantastic job in a lot of ways with the run game and these ultra athletic qbs but when you ask him to design a more pass happy attack i dont think he capable. 37/25 pass/run aint a winning formula for this team.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
why she on the beach kicking it while he at work? dunno if i would be happy bout that, lol. and wtf wrong with the way she said "shut up", it sounded like she was mentally retarded.
emkee
The Truth Is Out There
Scripted so she can flash those fun bags for IG likes.
She knows Goof gonna be out of the league soon so she gotta get interest in her burgeoning 'Only Fans' career.
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
Probably the most important thing we'll learn this week.
