Week 12 Discussion Thread

[VirginiaCavs]

Nov 14 Tue 2023

06:00 PM
301	Akron	+4½ -110		O 39 -110
302	Eastern Michigan+1 Markets	-4½ -110		U 39 -110

06:00 PM
303	Toledo	-10 -112		O 52 -110
304	Bowling Green+1 Markets	+10 -108		U 52 -110

06:00 PM
305	Western Michigan	+3 -105		O 56 -110
306	Northern Illinois+1 Markets	-3 -115		U 56 -110

Nov 15 Wed 2023

06:00 PM
307	Buffalo	+9 -105		O 41½ -110
308	Miami Ohio+1 Markets	-9 -115		U 41½ -110

06:00 PM
309	Central Michigan	+8½ -110		O 46 -110
310	Ohio+1 Markets	-8½ -110		U 46 -110

Nov 16 Thu 2023

06:00 PM
313	Boston College	+2 -105		O 47½ -110
314	Pittsburgh+1 Markets	-2 -115		U 47½ -110

Nov 17 Fri 2023

08:00 PM
315	South Florida	+16 -110		O 67½ -105
316	UTSA+1 Markets	-16 -110		U 67½ -115

09:30 PM
317	Colorado	+4½ -110		O 63½ -110
318	Washington State+1 Markets	-4½ -110		U 63½ -110

Nov 18 Sat 2023

11:00 AM
321	Coastal Carolina	-5½ -110		O 44½ -110
322	Army+1 Markets	+5½ -110		U 44½ -110

11:00 AM
325	Cincinnati	+6½ -110		O 55½ -110
326	West Virginia	-6½ -110		U 55½ -110

11:00 AM
327	Michigan State	+4½ -110		O 47 -110
328	Indiana+1 Markets	-4½ -110		U 47 -110

11:00 AM
329	Georgia	-10 -110		O 59½ -110
330	Tennessee+1 Markets	+10 -110		U 59½ -110

11:00 AM
331	Michigan	-21 -105		O 51½ -105
332	Maryland+1 Markets	+21 -115		U 51½ -115

11:00 AM
333	Louisville	-1 -110		O 47 -105
334	Miami Florida+1 Markets	+1 -110		U 47 -115

11:00 AM
339	Rutgers	+19 -110		O 42½ -110
340	Penn State+1 Markets	-19 -110		U 42½ -110

11:00 AM
343	Minnesota	+28½ -110		O 49½ -110
344	Ohio State	-28½ -110		U 49½ -110

11:00 AM
345	Tulane	-9½ -115		O 48½ -110
346	Florida Atlantic+1 Markets	+9½ -105		U 48½ -110

11:00 AM
347	East Carolina	+2½ -102		O 33 -110
348	Navy+1 Markets	-2½ -118		U 33 -110

11:00 AM
351	Purdue	+1 -115		O 48½ -110
352	Northwestern+1 Markets	-1 -105		U 48½ -110

11:00 AM
357	Southern Miss	+13½ -105		O 46½ -110
358	Mississippi State+1 Markets	-13½ -115		U 46½ -110

11:00 AM
359	Illinois	+4 -115		O 31½ -110
360	Iowa	-4 -105		U 31½ -110

11:00 AM
363	Kansas State	-7½ -115		O 55½ -110
364	Kansas	+7½ -105		U 55½ -110

11:00 AM
391	UL Monroe	+36 -115		O 62 -110
392	Mississippi+1 Markets	-36 -105		U 62 -110

11:00 AM
397	SMU	-8½ -110		O 67½ -110
398	Memphis+1 Markets	+8½ -110		U 67½ -110

12:00 PM
365	Massachusetts	+27½ -110		O 62 -110
366	Liberty+1 Markets	-27½ -110		U 62 -110

01:00 PM
319	Appalachian State	+12½ -110		O 56½ -110
320	James Madison+1 Markets	-12½ -110		U 56½ -110

01:00 PM
353	Kent State	+11½ -105		O 42 -110
354	Ball State+1 Markets	-11½ -115		U 42 -110

01:00 PM
355	Rice	-1 -110		O 47½ -110
356	Charlotte+1 Markets	+1 -110		U 47½ -110

01:00 PM
367	Utah	+1 -105		O 45½ -110
368	Arizona+1 Markets	-1 -115		U 45½ -110

01:00 PM
369	Oregon	-22½ -110		O 54½ -105
370	Arizona State+1 Markets	+22½ -110		U 54½ -115

01:00 PM
371	Oklahoma	-24 -110		O 56½ -110
372	BYU	+24 -110		U 56½ -110

01:00 PM
373	Hawaii	+14 -112		O 45 -110
374	Wyoming	-14 -108		U 45 -110

01:00 PM
375	UTEP	+7 -110		O 48½ -110
376	Middle Tennessee State+1 Markets	-7 -110		U 48½ -110

01:00 PM
377	Louisiana Tech	+8½ -110		O 55½ -115
378	Jacksonville State+1 Markets	-8½ -110		U 55½ -105

02:00 PM
323	Duke	-3½ -112		O 48 -110
324	Virginia+1 Markets	+3½ -108		U 48 -110

02:00 PM
381	New Mexico	+24 -115		O 56½ -110
382	Fresno State	-24 -105		U 56½ -110

02:00 PM
383	UCLA	+5½ -110		O 65 -110
384	USC+1 Markets	-5½ -110		U 65 -110

02:00 PM
385	Nevada	+11 -110		O 48 -110
386	Colorado State	-11 -110		U 48 -110

02:00 PM
393	North Texas	-2½ -110		O 67½ -110
394	Tulsa+1 Markets	+2½ -110		U 67½ -110

02:00 PM
399	Temple	+8 -110		O 65½ -110
400	UAB+1 Markets	-8 -110		U 65½ -110

02:00 PM
421	Texas State	-3½ -110		O 59½ -110
422	Arkansas State+1 Markets	+3½ -110		U 59½ -110

02:30 PM
337	NC State	+3 -110		O 45 -110
338	Virginia Tech+1 Markets	-3 -110		U 45 -110

02:30 PM
341	North Carolina	+7 -112		O 58½ -110
342	Clemson+1 Markets	-7 -108		U 58½ -110

02:30 PM
387	California	-5 -110		O 58½ -110
388	Stanford	+5 -110		U 58½ -110

02:30 PM
395	UL Lafayette	+15½ -110		O 47½ -110
396	Troy	-15½ -110		U 47½ -110

02:30 PM
403	Oklahoma State	-7 -110		O 59½ -110
404	Houston+1 Markets	+7 -110		U 59½ -110

02:30 PM
407	Baylor	+13 -110		O 58½ -110
408	TCU+1 Markets	-13 -110		U 58½ -110

02:30 PM
413	Central Florida	+3 -112		O 60 -110
414	Texas Tech+1 Markets	-3 -108		U 60 -110

02:30 PM
415	Sam Houston St	+13 -110		O 52½ -110
416	Western Kentucky	-13 -110		U 52½ -110

02:30 PM
417	Wake Forest	+24½ -110		O 47½ -110
418	Notre Dame	-24½ -110		U 47½ -110

02:30 PM
419	UNLV	+4 -110		O 47 -110
420	Air Force	-4 -110		U 47 -110

03:00 PM
411	New Mexico State	+21½ -115		O 48 -110
412	Auburn+1 Markets	-21½ -105		U 48 -110

04:00 PM
423	Marshall	+10 -110		O 50½ -110
424	South Alabama+1 Markets	-10 -110		U 50½ -110

05:00 PM
349	Old Dominion	+7½ -110		O 60½ -110
350	Georgia Southern+1 Markets	-7½ -110		U 60½ -110

06:00 PM
425	Boise State	-4½ -110		O 64½ -110
426	Utah State	+4½ -110		U 64½ -110

06:30 PM
335	Kentucky	-2 -110		O 54 -110
336	South Carolina+1 Markets	+2 -110		U 54 -110

06:30 PM
379	Washington	-1 -110		O 63½ -110
380	Oregon State+1 Markets	+1 -110		U 63½ -110

06:30 PM
405	Florida International	+30 -105		O 52 -110
406	Arkansas+1 Markets	-30 -115		U 52 -110

06:30 PM
409	Florida	+11 -110		O 58½ -110
410	Missouri+1 Markets	-11 -110		U 58½ -110

06:30 PM
427	Nebraska	+4½ -110		O 37 -110
428	Wisconsin+1 Markets	-4½ -110		U 37 -110

07:00 PM
361	Syracuse	+6½ -110		O 53½ -110
362	Georgia Tech+1 Markets	-6½ -110		U 53½ -110

07:00 PM
389	Georgia State	+30½ -110		O 71 -110
390	LSU+1 Markets	-30½ -110		U 71 -110

07:00 PM
401	Texas	-9 -110		O 48½ -110
402	Iowa State+1 Markets	+9 -110		U 48½ -110

09:30 PM
429	San Diego State	+14½ -110		O 51 -110
430	San Jose State	-14½ -110		U 51 -110

 

[Rusty Trombone]

How is AF favored over anyone at the moment? 3 weeks ago, sure....but they just got beat 50-16 by Army & Hawaii.... Running Rebs win this and this season is a way bigger success than they could have imagined.....

 

[M.W.]

Iowa State.

 

[M.W.]

Surprised by the Clemson line, but they still have to be the play.

 

[CPA-hole]

SJSU is good right now. Still have a lot to play for SDSU doesn't.

 

[spottie2935]

Kansas
Florida
Memphis
Georgia State
Wisconsin
UCLA

 

[jimmymo]

Largest bet of year likely to be Oregon State….

 

[CPA-hole]

Didn't realize how much the Tenn game meant to Mizzu. They definitely had that one circled. Thats two huge efforts in a row. Slight let down spot for them this week? Can't believe I just typed that about Mizzu and UF.

 

[Frank Costanza]

Didn't realize how much the Tenn game meant to Mizzu. They definitely had that one circled. Thats two huge efforts in a row. Slight let down spot for them this week? Can't believe I just typed that about Mizzu and UF.

Yeah, impressive. Tough loss in Athens. The bounceback against Tenny was damn resilient. That RB for Mizzu is a tough SOB. And damn good.

 

[CPA-hole]

Yeah, impressive. Tough loss in Athens. The bounceback against Tenny was damn resilient. That RB for Mizzu is a tough SOB. And damn good.

Kinda feel bad for Mizzou. Thats a damn good team that doesn't get the credit they deserve because of the name on the front of their jersey. If it says Auburn or a more 'name' team I bet their perception is different.

 

[Frank Costanza]

Kinda feel bad for Mizzou. Thats a damn good team that doesn't get the credit they deserve because of the name on the front of their jersey. If it says Auburn or a more 'name' team I bet their perception is different.

Yup.

 

[He Hate Me]

Biggest line moves:

 

[twinkie13]

Tulane keeps squeaking em out. They keep laying these numbers and they don’t cover much.

 

[spottie2935]

Army looks strong this week. Home game dog.
Maryland +21 Mich off a huge game. Big road line.

Kansas

Tulane keeps squeaking em out. They keep laying these numbers and they don’t cover much.

Its regression because they had soft lines for a while and the exposed those lines. Now the books have taken that party away and TLN is also not performing to their previous standard. Same will happen to Liberty soon

 

[BiffTFinancial]

Army looks strong this week. Home game dog.
Maryland +21 Mich off a huge game. Big road line.

Kansas

Its regression because they had soft lines for a while and the exposed those lines. Now the books have taken that party away and TLN is also not performing to their previous standard. Same will happen to Liberty soon

and Michigan has Ohio State next Saturday - this might be the biggest sandwich/letdown/overlook spot of the year.

 

[Inspekdah]

How is AF favored over anyone at the moment? 3 weeks ago, sure....but they just got beat 50-16 by Army & Hawaii.... Running Rebs win this and this season is a way bigger success than they could have imagined.....

I can't imagine their starting QB is healthy either to start this one.

 

[spottie2935]

I can't imagine their starting QB is healthy either to start this one.

that is true, but to counter you thoughts... that starting QB has 37 completions in the 10 games he played. average of 3.7 completions on the season. Air Force has been chalk in every game.

Air Force Defense is top 10 vs the rush. UNLV has 31 rushing TD on the season. Its hard for me to believe they continue to have this kind of success on offense this week. Consider UNLV opponents record to date is 32-50 SU. UNLV will not be pushing Air F's Defense here. That gives Air Force more opportunities to kill UNLV'S Defense and wear them down.

Air Force losing the last 2 doesn't concern me at all. It should motivate them. I love a teams big picture and the ebbs and flows on the season make better or worse lines. Off back to back ebbs, I predict an Air Force flow here. UNLV is meeting their match this week no matter who tosses the ball for the Falcons.

UNLV D has to deal with a full list of capable RBS that have had a lot of success on the season. This is a huge test for them.


Lastly before these last 2 sh!t show AF games they were leading the NCAA in rushing. Now #2. Lets see if Air Force even needs a QB.

 

[Inspekdah]

that is true, but to counter you thoughts... that starting QB has 37 completions in the 10 games he played. average of 3.7 completions on the season. Air Force has been chalk in every game.

Air Force Defense is top 10 vs the rush. UNLV has 31 rushing TD on the season. Its hard for me to believe they continue to have this kind of success on offense this week. Consider UNLV opponents record to date is 32-50 SU. UNLV will not be pushing Air F's Defense here. That gives Air Force more opportunities to kill UNLV'S Defense and wear them down.

Air Force losing the last 2 doesn't concern me at all. It should motivate them. I love a teams big picture and the ebbs and flows on the season make better or worse lines. Off back to back ebbs, I predict an Air Force flow here. UNLV is meeting their match this week no matter who tosses the ball for the Falcons.

UNLV D has to deal with a full list of capable RBS that have had a lot of success on the season. This is a huge test for them.


Lastly before these last 2 sh!t show AF games they were leading the NCAA in rushing. Now #2. Lets see if Air Force even needs a QB.

The attack without their starter is pretty awful. Teams just put 11 in the box. He was actually a good thrower but since his injury seems like a decoy out there…

Agree it’s AF or nothing but losing to Hawaii and being stuffed and outplayed was pathetic.

 

[spottie2935]

The attack without their starter is pretty awful. Teams just put 11 in the box. He was actually a good thrower but since his injury seems like a decoy out there…

Agree it’s AF or nothing but losing to Hawaii and being stuffed and outplayed was pathetic.

okay we agree AF or nothing. I agree their last 2 games were horrible. I am counting on the big picture and AF doing AF things. UNLV schedule is terrible too and if AF can do what they do on Defense its much easier cover. Last 2 games not on their traditional home field. This is also a factor.

Im more betting a line off 2 shit games vs. a team that is stepping up in class. 8-2 and previous ranked top 25 team AF only -3. If UNLV beats me so be it.

 

[M.W.]

SJSU is good right now. Still have a lot to play for SDSU doesn't.

Did anything change for them to prompt this amazing four-game run?

 

[M.W.]

okay we agree AF or nothing. I agree their last 2 games were horrible. I am counting on the big picture and AF doing AF things. UNLV schedule is terrible too and if AF can do what they do on Defense its much easier cover. Last 2 games not on their traditional home field. This is also a factor.

Im more betting a line off 2 shit games vs. a team that is stepping up in class. 8-2 and previous ranked top 25 team AF only -3. If UNLV beats me so be it.

p:FL and pp:FL and p:line < -9 and pp:line < -6.5 and p:turnover margin + pp:turnover margin > -1 and H

but also

p:turnover margin + pp:turnover margin > 5 and H and p:FL and pp:FL and p:line + pp:line < -8

 

[spottie2935]

p:FL and pp:FL and p:line < -9 and pp:line < -6.5 and p:turnover margin + pp:turnover margin > -1 and H

but also

p:turnover margin + pp:turnover margin > 5 and H and p:FL and pp:FL and p:line + pp:line < -8

i will check this later, currently that site is down

 

[CPA-hole]

Did anything change for them to prompt this amazing four-game run?

They were outscored 49-0 in the 2nd half vs AF and Boise and next game were losing at half vs NM. And boom they score 38 in 2h in that game and they were off to the races.

They had a really tough schedule early but I personally thought they were done after the Boise game, but credit to them.

 

[spottie2935]

p:FL and pp:FL and p:line < -9 and pp:line < -6.5 and p:turnover margin + pp:turnover margin > -1 and H

but also

p:turnover margin + pp:turnover margin > 5 and H and p:FL and pp:FL and p:line + pp:line < -8

not sure why you choose these.

Anyways I rode against UNLV last week knowing that this game was going to be more difficult so of course I like AF this week.

I could be wrong fading UNLV after the awesome season they have had.

We will see.

 

[M.W.]

not sure why you choose these.

Anyways I rode against UNLV last week knowing that this game was going to be more difficult so of course I like AF this week.

I could be wrong fading UNLV after the awesome season they have had.

We will see.

I chose those because they most dramatically reflect the salient aspects of the situation that Air Force is in (off two horrible losses as a big favorite with huge turnover problems in both games) yet point in perfectly opposite directions.

 

[Frank Costanza]

Maryland gave up 51 to the unbridled garbage that is the Penn State offense?

Dear lord. Even a semi-focused Michigan covers without problem.

 

[pressitup]

I missed something in Colo/wazzu, the total has been dropping, any reason?

 

[BiffTFinancial]

I missed something in Colo/wazzu, the total has been dropping, any reason?

I don't know why it dropped, but it's notable that Colorado pace has really slowed since transition from Lewis to Shurmur as OC

 

[pressitup]

I don't know why it dropped, but it's notable that Colorado pace has really slowed since transition from Lewis to Shurmur as OC

I'm hoping it gets to 63 either way
thanks
it's just pizza money, I don't bet 5-10k a game
ima poorlol

 

[BiffTFinancial]

I'm hoping it gets to 63 either way
thanks
it's just pizza money, I don't bet 5-10k a game
ima poorlol

Haha me too

 

[M.W.]

Maryland gave up 51 to the unbridled garbage that is the Penn State offense?

Dear lord. Even a semi-focused Michigan covers without problem.

Possible lookahead. I have mild lookahead angles going against both Mich and anOSU. Not sure I trust them here, though.

 

[Frank Costanza]

Possible lookahead. I have mild lookahead angles going against both Mich and anOSU. Not sure I trust them here, though.

Semi focused.

 

[Frank Costanza]

What happened to Jalon Daniels? I thought it was his back but you never hear anything about his status. The only known is that he hasn't played in forever.

 

[KJ]

What happened to Jalon Daniels? I thought it was his back but you never hear anything about his status. The only known is that he hasn't played in forever.

He's announced he's coming back next season

 

[Frank Costanza]

Thanks.

I guess he was ruled out for the season weeks back. Guessing only because you never hear a peep about his status. Weird.

 

[spottie2935]

Careful favorites not trending well

KillerSports.com

killersports.com

 

[pressitup]

Haha me too

wazzu had to carry the load

 

[CPA-hole]

Navy used to be a win machine on Senior Day. 17 wins in a row from 2003-19. But I think they've lost 3 out of their last 5. ECU only 2-8 but have a lot of close losses.