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Week 10 What Are We Learning!
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s--k
Goodbye to Romance College Football
As more and more coaches make decisions based on percentage of going for it, passing up a FG, or going for it in their own territory, or throwing deep on 4th-1 instead of trying to get the first down on a higher percentage play - as time goes on, as more and more data points come into the equation, the "odds" these coaches rely on from the analytic formulas are going to get worse and worse aren't they? As more failed 4th downs come into the analytic formula, the probability the equation returns about the odds of being successful are going to decrease and perhaps less people will do these types of things. Right? Eventually?
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
Common (football) sense. Maybe it will come back into vogue.
That shit yesterday from McGuire was the stuff clown fests are made of. I get the going for it, around midfield. But when you give the ball up and it's already 3 points?
Laughable.
s--k
Goodbye to Romance College Football
Is the quality at the top really that bad...or is it always kind of this way? Was it Baylor or TCU in 2014?
To me the college football national champion should come from a very exclusive pool, teams who have had the most outstanding seasons. Excellence. Elite. Perfection or damn near perfection. Some years there will be more than a couple, some years there might only be 1 or 2 that fit the bill. The last thing I think the sport needs is a half dozen or a dozen teams thrown in the pool for a made for TV schedule of games. The season usually tells us there are very few teams who have a most outstanding season. Conference champions through the course of their season have established themselves as the best in their neighborhood. Losers in the SEC, or any conference should not and never should be included. They lost games that matter. But this common sense is out the window when there is money to be made. 5 teams from one conference in the preferred future format? I don't care if they are all "awesome". Some process is in place to determine the league winner and that is the way it sorts itself out for who advances to a national title playoff. The only thing I can do is not watch as my protest for the bogus system they are going to present.
I just heard somebody, I think it was a head coach promote a 128 team college basketball tournament. I don't watch basketball, but it's the same shit. It's all about money and what is good for the people who make the decisions. No human should be picking the teams to participate whether there are a bunch of great teams at the top or just a couple.
pressitup
Leader of the Adult Humor Industry
I have no pain
I watch your team to see Ewers and Robinson.
Our kids, Tx 4*/5* expect to win just by showing up. Bad for all of us.
I am pulling for TCU(pfffft) to go undefeated . When they go undefeated and get shit on, twice.
As far as the Ags go, they are like any team. When CW played last week, the team brought an extra step. Lost, but I'll give CW a pass for his first game.
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
10 years plus in Austin. I don't expect anything but mediocrity any more.
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
College or pro, lining up in the neutral zone continues to be the most insufferably bad penalty in the game.
I just watched Chris Jones give Tennessee a touchdown because of it.
Collinsworth - "And Chris Jones continues to push the envelope..."
No, it's not pushing the envelope. It's just stupidity when 1/2 your body is over the LOS at the snap.
I just watched Chris Jones give Tennessee a touchdown because of it.
Collinsworth - "And Chris Jones continues to push the envelope..."
No, it's not pushing the envelope. It's just stupidity when 1/2 your body is over the LOS at the snap.
twinkie13
In transit, arriving late.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
Agree 100% on the tempo. I think it's because it makes it much simpler, and Bryce is at his best when he can just react to the defense. I don't know if the system is too difficult or what, but we don't seem to play fast at all. Thinking too much.
We get called for PI more than any team I've ever seen, and it's been that way for years. It's got to be the technique Saban teaches. More of an NFL type where they allow more contact.
cubsker
Used to be "Fun Cub"
Sometimes you get 3 or 4 of em in a row
wiseplayer
Pretty much a regular
As legitimate as Tennessee’s offense how good is Georgia’s D?
I think we know the Dawgs are repeating. No Bama, Clemson sucks, Vols on the borderline of not getting in if LSU runs the table. This last weekend was no good for college football fans.
12 team playoff can’t come soon enough. At least we can root for the stepchildren to get in during the regular season.
I think we know the Dawgs are repeating. No Bama, Clemson sucks, Vols on the borderline of not getting in if LSU runs the table. This last weekend was no good for college football fans.
12 team playoff can’t come soon enough. At least we can root for the stepchildren to get in during the regular season.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
12 teams would be so miserable this season, especially for anyone who gets seriously injured while deep down knowing they aren't winning it all anyway.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
All but the top 4 will have to win 4 in a row
I actually think this enhances the top 4 more ranking than the system currently in place because they'll get a bye and to play a home game then boast they won a 12 team playoff
s--k
Goodbye to Romance College Football
A 12 team playoff to give more teams that lost games a second chance, this is a good thing how? And how that a just system for the team(s) that already beat the loser teams? Wins and losses just don't need to matter do they so long there are more games to put on TV with pretty looking teams going up against each other.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
Hmm. Sounds familiar.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
Was it DJ or the play-calling?
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
Bowers is amazing. It’s fitting that he wears Woerner’s number.
skanless13
Fly, Eagles, Fly!
Maybe a little of both but DJ is not a good qb
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
I agree but the play calling was terrible.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
Why expand the playoff when once again two teams is enough?
bookieassassin
Pretty much a regular
careful ......
>> purely anecdotal - but seems like teams that have been down for so long - then make a bowl, often don't play that well in their bowl / match-up depending. Reason? their goals have been met - year is kinda over - tough to get up at that point for holiday practices / crap bowl game. Maybe a quality opponent (as a dog)- decent bowl is a different story?
Who's the 2nd team?
I see one team, as stated all season, then a handful that could oppose them.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
Ohio State or Michigan, I guess.
wiseplayer
Pretty much a regular
As legitimate as Tennessee
Guys, having 12 teams isn’t about hoping for an upset in the playoffs nor does it change the outcome of who wins the title. Its about making the regular season much more relevant. We could be having meaningful games for the 5 thru 12 seed teams. Just give us something more than 2 relevant college football games a year before December. What sports season is least meaningful than college football and it only has 10-12 weeks? We’re being egregiously cheated in this sport.
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M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
It makes the regular season less important. Every game is meaningful already.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
I could not agree more.
twinkie13
In transit, arriving late.
I thought last weekend was pretty good.
I know they gotta lotta Tenny fans on here…
Not much fun having a juggernaut on the East side of things, is it?
I think Tenny is a very good team but seems a really big sentiment about them and the playoffs super early…
wiseplayer
Pretty much a regular
When I say it wasn’t good I meant from a competitive standpoint in the Final 4. We are going to see 2 Georgia blowouts.
wiseplayer
Pretty much a regular
When 12 teams are trying to qualify throughout the conferences the season will have meaningful games for more than just 6 teams. Every game is only meaningful to 6 teams and unless they’re playing each other its a blowout. College football is the 1 sport that needs to drastically change or its not worth watching.
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GoDawgs1980
Pretty much a regular
Rematch of the Orange bowl?
s--k
Goodbye to Romance College Football
I could not disagree more.
You are suggesting that the games yet to be played will be more meaningful.
But at the same time you are making the games that have already been played less meaningful. If teams that lost previous games still have an illegitimate chance to enter into a playoff, then what meaning did that game have, what consequences were their to losing that game? None.
And I do not agree that future games need to be made more meaningful. I think you, or advocates like yourself, are trying to create something that doesn't need created. You think allowing more teams to make a playoff will make more games matter. The games matter now. All games matter. It is the basis of competition and team athletics. What game doesn't or won't matter?
Every game has a consequence for reaching goals and objectives. Not every goal can or should be attainable when teams lose a game or games. But there are other goals and objectives that can be achieved by still winning.
All playoff expansion proponent are doing in my mind is giving undeserving teams a second chance to compete for the biggest prize in the sport. If Tennessee doesn't win their division, doesn't win their conference, they don't deserve a national title opportunity because they were not good enough in the games that mattered most compared to the team(s) they lost to who beat them.
It is ironic that you think changing the sport to some kind of 12 team playoff would make it more worth watching, while I feel the exact opposite - it is a huge turn off and I am not exaggerating when I say it would make me less likely to watch.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
To your point I only really remember vaguely a couple of the national championship games and none of the playoff games since 4 teams became a thing. It took a lot of mind-stretching to even remember that Michigan played UGA and Cinci played Bama...and that's less than a year ago. Couldn't tell you anything about those games other than the winners.
RetroVK
This claim is disputed
So as of today just looking at 1 and 0 loss teams (sorry two loss teams you are out until conference championships are over) and using strength of schedule as a metric for how quality those records are (granted just using sagarin here and not a combo), it would make sense for them to be ranked as follows:
1. Ohio State 0 losses, 32 sos
2. TCU 0 losses, 33 sos
3. UGA 0 losses, 40 sos
4. Michigan 0 losses, 71 sos
5. Tennessee 1 loss, 21 sos
6. USC 1 loss, 41 sos
7. Oregon 1 loss 43 sos
8. Clemson1 loss, 49 sos
9. Ole Miss 1 loss, 61 sos
10. UCLA 1 loss, 63 sos
11. North Carolina 1 loss, 65 sos
12. Tulane 1 loss, 96 sos
13. Liberty 1 loss, 109 sos
If it ended today we have a pretty clear top 4.
It appears a 1 loss vols would be over a 1 loss TOSU/Michigan loser
I was kind of shocked to see Ohio State's sos ranked tougher than TCU. I was expecting this to result in a TCU #1 ranking.
1. Ohio State 0 losses, 32 sos
2. TCU 0 losses, 33 sos
3. UGA 0 losses, 40 sos
4. Michigan 0 losses, 71 sos
5. Tennessee 1 loss, 21 sos
6. USC 1 loss, 41 sos
7. Oregon 1 loss 43 sos
8. Clemson1 loss, 49 sos
9. Ole Miss 1 loss, 61 sos
10. UCLA 1 loss, 63 sos
11. North Carolina 1 loss, 65 sos
12. Tulane 1 loss, 96 sos
13. Liberty 1 loss, 109 sos
If it ended today we have a pretty clear top 4.
It appears a 1 loss vols would be over a 1 loss TOSU/Michigan loser
I was kind of shocked to see Ohio State's sos ranked tougher than TCU. I was expecting this to result in a TCU #1 ranking.
GoDawgs1980
Pretty much a regular
s--k
Goodbye to Romance College Football
I was looking at Sagarin's SOS yesterday as well. I was surprised to see Ohio State's SOS as high as they were. But based on where he has Penn State, ND, Iowa and Wisconsin ranked it gives them more quality wins than I would give them credit for (he has them 4-0 vs top 30). I credit them with the Penn State win as a good one, that would be all, however if I had to sit and rank teams I suppose ND, Iowa and Wisconsin would be somewhere in the top 30-40.
How Sagarin has TCU ranked 13 is hard to justify especially since they have the same SOS as Ohio State and the same record (SOS 32 vs 33)
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Yeah if they make a 3 game run beating UCLA, ND and Oregon they'll have earned it
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
Playoff expansion has nothing to do with finding a true champion. It has everything to do with more games on national networks and more advertisements. The networks aren't going to pay all that money to the conferences to get fewer games.
I do agree that it makes for more relevant games in November. Not as far as finding out who the best team is, we'll know that more times than not by mid-October, but for teams and conferences that have very little chance of making a 4 team playoff, the prospects of making a 12 team playoff is exciting. And while it's been a while since we've seen a truly massive upset, weird things can happen. Injuries can certainly derail a team like it did last year for Alabama. Players do stupid things like get suspended. Or having to play 3-4 games, anything can happen. I was initially against the playoff, and I'm still against the committee and any kind of subjective reasoning, but I think the 12 team thing could be fun, if not exactly effective in figuring out the best team. Give the portal and NIL a few more years, there'll be more parity down the road I think
I do agree that it makes for more relevant games in November. Not as far as finding out who the best team is, we'll know that more times than not by mid-October, but for teams and conferences that have very little chance of making a 4 team playoff, the prospects of making a 12 team playoff is exciting. And while it's been a while since we've seen a truly massive upset, weird things can happen. Injuries can certainly derail a team like it did last year for Alabama. Players do stupid things like get suspended. Or having to play 3-4 games, anything can happen. I was initially against the playoff, and I'm still against the committee and any kind of subjective reasoning, but I think the 12 team thing could be fun, if not exactly effective in figuring out the best team. Give the portal and NIL a few more years, there'll be more parity down the road I think
s--k
Goodbye to Romance College Football
There is a lot to be determined yet in the PAC 12.
Oregon 6-0 vs UW, vs Utah, at OSU
USC 6-1 vs CU, at UCLA vs ND
UCLA 5-1 vs Zona, vs USC, at Cal
Utah 5-1 vs Stanford, at Ore, at CU
Washington 4-2 at Ore, vs CU, at WSt
The games of note being Oregon hosting Washington this week and Oregon hosting Utah next week. An upset between Zona - UCLA or Beavers -Ducks would seem somewhat unlikely but possible.
Remember PAC 12 did away with their divisions and now it is top 2 teams playing eachother. Could get messy if there is a 2-way or 3-way tie at the top. Looks clean now if chalk holds out (I assume USC will be favored at UCLA).
What if USC, Utah and Oregon all finish with 1 loss? What if USC finishes with 1 loss and Oregon, Washington, UCLA and Utah all finish with 2 losses? Or if USC finishes with 2 losses and UCLA, Utah and Oregon all finish with 1 loss.
Who plays who for the league title?
After abolishing divisions, I think there will be years that the top 2 playing eachother won't be as clean and simple as planners think. There will be uncomfortable tie breakers some years.
Oregon 6-0 vs UW, vs Utah, at OSU
USC 6-1 vs CU, at UCLA vs ND
UCLA 5-1 vs Zona, vs USC, at Cal
Utah 5-1 vs Stanford, at Ore, at CU
Washington 4-2 at Ore, vs CU, at WSt
The games of note being Oregon hosting Washington this week and Oregon hosting Utah next week. An upset between Zona - UCLA or Beavers -Ducks would seem somewhat unlikely but possible.
Remember PAC 12 did away with their divisions and now it is top 2 teams playing eachother. Could get messy if there is a 2-way or 3-way tie at the top. Looks clean now if chalk holds out (I assume USC will be favored at UCLA).
What if USC, Utah and Oregon all finish with 1 loss? What if USC finishes with 1 loss and Oregon, Washington, UCLA and Utah all finish with 2 losses? Or if USC finishes with 2 losses and UCLA, Utah and Oregon all finish with 1 loss.
Who plays who for the league title?
After abolishing divisions, I think there will be years that the top 2 playing eachother won't be as clean and simple as planners think. There will be uncomfortable tie breakers some years.
wiseplayer
Pretty much a regular
Here’s an example. Pac 12 USC vs UCLA rivalry game becomes more meaningful to represent the south in the Pac 12 championship which then could get them a berth in the playoffs with another win in the Pac 12 title game. You’re missing the point. This isn’t about upsetting Georgia or Alabama or whoever the top seed is in the playoffs. This is about give us something meaningful to watch in the regular other than who’s qualifying for a Bowl bid. Above all this is we will ultimately see less players opt out because they’re in the playoffs with some hope of winning a title.
You guys need to think more out of the box then being fixated on the top 4. The college football season in its current format gives us very little. This yr in college football its only about Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio St, Michigan and maybe Clemson and LSU. Cant get a more boring regular season.
s--k
Goodbye to Romance College Football
I don't think I'm missing a point because I have not mentioned upsetting anyone in the playoff.
I think you might be missing my point. USC vs UCLA is already massively meaningful. It's not just about a bowl bid. It is about beating your #1 rival. It is about winning a division, or now just representing yourself and your school in a league title game and having a chance to be league champion. Why aren't those things aren't good enough for you?
You feel like the sport needs to get better so you like it more. I think it is fantastic the way it is, or more accurately, the way it used to be before the BS committee and push for expansion ramped up.
It seems all you care about are a handful of highly ranked teams playing eachother. The sport is way way bigger and frankly better than that.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
I miss voters and split national championships
Watching more and more meaningless games in the grand scheme of things will never be a solution for me, and I'm not sure you won't see more opting out because not playing 3-4 extra games is just a smart investment over a national title.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Also wise, there is no such thing as the Pac 12 South anymore, it's already jacked up in that teams can play each other a 2nd time in a conference ship, making the first one pretty irrelevant. Throw in to the mix with a larger playoff, we'll periodically see teams play a third time in one season. That BS is for the pros, not having rematches is one of the most pure things left about college football.
