Week 1 CFB

YesSir

Brian Windhorst
CINCI OVER 6.5 WINS (4.5-3)

THURSDAY
Wake Forest -13 (1.1-1) added 8/03/2008 WIN

Stanford +4 (1.2-1) added 8/03/2008 WIN

Miami OH -3 (hook) (1.2-1) added 8/28/2008 LOSS

FRIDAY
Rice -3 (1.1-1) added 8/03/2008 WIN

Temple - 7 (1.1-1) added 8/27/2008 WIN

SATURDAY
Wyoming - 9 (1.1-1) added 7-27-2008 LOSS

Kent State +10.5 (1.1-1) added 7-27-2008
think KSU wins this game SU

TCU -6 (1.1-1) added 7/27/2008 WIN

didnt want it to go any higher....

Texas -23.5 (1.1-1) added 7/28/2008

Michigan -4 (1.1-1) added 7/29/2008 LOSS

Wisky - 26.5 1(1.1-1) added 8/28/2008 LOSS

Western Michigan +14.5

Hawaii +34.5 LOSS

USC -19.5 WIN

ECU +8.5 WIN

Va Tech OVER 45 WIN

PITT UNDER 53.5 WIN

SUNDAY
Kentucky +3.5 WIN

Colorado -11.5 WIN

Ville/Kent OVER 55.5 LOSS

Colorado/CSU OVER 56.5 LOSS

MONDAY
Tennessee - 7 (hook)
Fresno +4 (hook)

Wish Bookmaker would put that Duke game on the board...

BOL ALL:cheers:
 
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Yes - best post I've seen in some time...some one betting on college football again! Love it! Any suggestions on future plays (BCS Champs)? Not sure if you caught my thread or not? Peace and GL!
 
Good luck

Its beautiful to see a Week 1 plays thread...just beautiful

lol...I am just hoping I did not over-react:cheers:

GO YESSIR !!! how you get that nine ??

That is what it opened at....:cheers:


Yes - best post I've seen in some time...some one betting on college football again! Love it! Any suggestions on future plays (BCS Champs)? Not sure if you caught my thread or not? Peace and GL!

Yes it is great to be betting on football again:cheers:...

AS far as future plays, I usually do not look at those till closer to the season. I do not like locking up a lot of money for the season. Thus, I bet them through the local, who will not take them till closer to the season. I think if you can get OSU at even or plus money to win the Big 11, that is a must. Do the people who made that line think that USC is in the Big 10? Yes, they have to go to Wisky at night BUT I do not think Wisky, gets through the Big 10 unscaved. If I am not mistaken, don't ties in those things go to who is rated higher in the BCS standings? Ohio State usually will get the on up in the BCS standings(esp. since they will start higher in the other standings). I was shocked to see Penn State as preseason number 4 in the Big 10!!

I also like the future side of Michigan against Ohio State. As far as the Michigan Ohio State line, I would never lay DD with either of the teams against each other. This game has a history of upsets (especially with Michigan being the inferior team). The last time the margain of victory was over 14.5 was 10 years ago when OSU won by 15. In fact, it has only happened 6 times since 1969. In that 39 year span there were way more desparity in talent in this game IMO.
 
I actually looked up Big 11 tiebreaker rulings a few nights ago and head to head is the first determinate. Therefore if Wisky beats OSU they would have to lose 2 other conference games
 
I actually looked up Big 11 tiebreaker rulings a few nights ago and head to head is the first determinate. Therefore if Wisky beats OSU they would have to lose 2 other conference games


:shake: That is what I figured it was but I thought I read (somewhere on here) that it was the way I posted it...

Thanks
 
This is what The greek says:

Odds to win the Big 10 Conference Wager is team to win Conference listed. If 1 or more teams tie for title,winner is team that is selected 1st by the BCS

So the question is, will the BCS automatically select the team that won the head to head matchup if the teams are tied. I think the answer is 'No'.
 
Tiebreaker


  1. An ineligible team shall not be considered in the standings for determination of the conference representative.
  2. If there is a tie for the championship, the winner of the game between these two teams shall represent the conference.
  3. If there is still a tie for the championship, or if the tied teams did not play each other, the team that played more games against Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) teams shall be eliminated.
  4. If there is still a tie, or if the tied teams did not play each other, or if both teams played the same number of games against an FCS team(s), the representative shall be determined on the percentage basis of all games played.
  5. If there is still a tie, the most recent team earning BCS automatic selection shall be eliminated.
  6. If more than two teams tie for the championship, the same selection procedures shall be followed with the following exceptions:
    1. If three teams are tied, and if one team defeated both of the other teams, then that team shall be the representative.
    2. If three teams are still tied, and if two of the three teams defeated the third team, the third team is eliminated, and the remaining two teams shall revert to the two-team tie procedure.
    3. If three teams are still tied, and there is a tie game between two of the three teams, or if two or all three of the teams did not play each other, the representative shall be determined on a percentage basis of all games played except, if one or two of the tied teams played more games against an FCS opponent than the other tied teams, then said team or teams shall be eliminated, and the remaining two teams, if applicable, shall revert to the two-team tie procedure.
    4. If three teams are still tied, and one of the three teams is eliminated through the percentage basis of all games played, the remaining two teams shall revert to the two-team tie procedure.
    5. If three teams are still tied, and all three teams have the same winning percentage of all games played, the most recent team representing the conference shall be eliminated, and the two remaining teams shall revert to the two-team tie procedure.
  7. If four or more teams tie for the championship, the following selection procedure shall be followed:
    1. If one team defeated each of the other three teams, then that team shall be the representative.
    2. If two of the four teams defeated each of the other two teams, the latter two teams shall be eliminated, and the two remaining teams shall revert to the two-team tie procedure.
    3. If three of the four teams defeated the fourth team, the fourth team is eliminated, and the remaining three teams shall revert to the three-team tie procedure.
    4. If there is a tie game between two of the four teams, or if two of the four teams did not play each other, the representative shall be determined on a percentage of all games played, except, if one or more of the tied teams played more games against an FCS opponent than the other tied teams, then said teams shall be eliminated, and the remaining teams, if applicable, shall revert to the two- or three-team tie procedure.
    5. If one of the four teams is eliminated through the percentage of all games played, the remaining three teams shall revert to the three-team tie procedure.
    6. If all four teams are still tied and have the same winning percentage of all games played, the most recent team representing the conference shall be eliminated and the three remaining teams shall revert to the three-team tie procedure.
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This is what The greek says:

Odds to win the Big 10 Conference Wager is team to win Conference listed. If 1 or more teams tie for title,winner is team that is selected 1st by the BCS

So the question is, will the BCS automatically select the team that won the head to head matchup if the teams are tied. I think the answer is 'No'.

The problem is I don't think the BCS does the selecting. I think the Big 10 selects the team to represent them in the BCS using the above criteria
 
I think you guys are talking about two different things though Dwight

Horses is just talking strictly from a betting perspective. No the BCS does not select who will represent the Big 10...I do not think it is the BCS picking anything here. This is just like the "tiebraker" for betting purposes..
 
So the question is, will the BCS automatically select the team that won the head to head matchup if the teams are tied. I think the answer is 'No'

Yeah, seeing all the crazy things that have happened over the years, it is a crapshoot. The only thing working against OSU backers is that they play in Week 6 (before the original BCS standings come out)

But then again, say Wisky loses Week 7 to PSU... Or OSU beats USC and then loses to Wisky....

mind is spinning now...

BOTTOM LINE THOUGH:I do not see a way that Wisky is in fron of O State if OSU beats them heads up and they are tied. But I think there are different situations, that will allow OSU to finish in front of Wisky (in the BCS) if they are tied and Wisky beat them heads up
 
But don't you think the websites deem the team who represents the Big 10 in either the MNC game or the Rose bowl the winner of the bet. In other words, if OSU and Wisky tie in conference but Wisky beats OSU and therefore goes to the Rose Bowl while OSU goes to the Outback bowl, then Wisky would be the winner of the bet, correct?
 
That is how you would think it would be but what Horses stated is right off the site, if I am not mistaken
 
That is how you would think it would be but what Horses stated is right off the site, if I am not mistaken

Yeah it is but I don't know how to interpret that. Does it mean the team that won the conference is the team selected by the BCS to play in a BCS bowl game. That would be Wisky in my scenario above

Or does it mean its the team that finishes higher in the BCS standings. That would likely be OSU in my scenario.
 
hey gents, I'm not entirely sure myself, cuz Dwight brings up good points...

What if they both go 7-1 in conference and Wisconsin beats OSU straight-up; in the meantime, Wisky loses to UNLV to finish 10-2 and OSU beats USC to finish 11-1...what team wins the bet? The answer is the team the BCS selects...but what one is that? Naturally, they would pick OSU given the choice, but do they have one...that is the real question.
 
If you like that Kent I would bet it now...I think it will be around 8 or so at game time...It just dropped to 10.

Those LVSC lines were rediculous for this game (like 13.5 or something)...I think Kent can win this game SU
 
I love that Wisky line dropping to 27.5 also...Think they crush Akron...

I actually thought the line would go the opposite way...
 
I love that Wisky line dropping to 27.5 also...Think they crush Akron...

I actually thought the line would go the opposite way...

As do I. In the discussion thread a week or so ago I stated that I believed Wisky could cover if every play they ran was an iso or off tackle to PJ Hill
 
As do I. In the discussion thread a week or so ago I stated that I believed Wisky could cover if every play they ran was an iso or off tackle to PJ Hill

I agree... I think Akron will still feel the effect of the 7 dismissed players from a year ago. They also lost a lot on defense from graduation. The one thing going from Akron is the talent they do have on their roster. They have had the number 1 class in the MAC at least 2 out of the last 3 years(i am not sure where they ended up this past year). I do think they will gel and be competitive everntually. I just think it will be a little overwhelming for these guys to start at Wisky! Wisconsin should get out to a major lead early. I am just worried about the back door cover here. Akron's already stagnent offense will be even more stagnent without Jabari Arthur... He was their only hope of scoring last year.

Another thing to look at is Akron's special teams. I am not sure how Wisconsin's STs are??? Akron has a real good return game...


I am in shock that this line went that way....anyone care to explain??
 
I got the Bucks to win the B10 at 6-5 when it first came out on Sportsbook.com. Bet it lightly because I didn't understand the tiebreaker. Still not 100% sure how it will play out, but SB.com's cust service gave the same answere - "If one or more teams tie for title, winner is team that is selected 1st by the BCS". BTW, the odds are now 1-2.
 
GL man, good to see these threads starting to pop up, we have an exactly a month I believe right now.
 
I am in the process of talking to someone right now to find the real answer about this policy...this lady has no clue
 
lol OMG

CS - Lamu: the tie breaker will be the team with better performance
me: lol Whether if they have the same record?
CS - Lamu: correct
mw:: well how is it determined who "performed better"?


 
CS - Lamu: people from management
me: what are you talking about?
me: So is it just a crap shoot then?
me: So if Illinois goes 0-8 in the Big 10 and Ohio State is 8-0...Illinois can technically win the big 10 if "management" thinks they performed better?
CS - Lamu: sir for further info, you will have to call in the wagering department
 
I mean are you fucking kidding me here^^^

Bucks GL with that bet

Alex...thanks bro BOL to you this season
 
CS - Lamu: people from management
me: what are you talking about?
me: So is it just a crap shoot then?
me: So if Illinois goes 0-8 in the Big 10 and Ohio State is 8-0...Illinois can technically win the big 10 if "management" thinks they performed better?
CS - Lamu: sir for further info, you will have to call in the wagering department


:36_11_6:What a fucking idiot Lamu is? I swear these people don't know shit about sports. There is no way in hell that management just fucking picks who wins the conference. I can see the banner in Camp Randall--Wisconsin, 2008 Big 10 Champions (according to TheGreek)
 
lol OMG

CS - Lamu: the tie breaker will be the team with better performance
me: lol Whether if they have the same record?
CS - Lamu: correct
mw:: well how is it determined who "performed better"?

All of those people are clueless. Before I bet season totals at Bookmaker, I went on their live chat to ask if games against Division I-AA opponents count. No one knew what I-AA meant, so I called and talked to the head of the wagering department and he didn't know what I meant either.
 
Also, BOL on all of these early plays. I'd like to know more about the Kent St. game as we get closer to the opener.
 
Wyoming - 9 (1.1-1)

Riding the wave....

Kent State +10.5 (1.1-1)

TCU -6 (1.1-1) didnt want it to go any higher....

looking very hard at Michigan...need someone to talk me off of it...

looking at Wisky -27.5 (once I figure out how/why that line dropped)..

YS, how would you like to go ahead and write that one up for me? Doesn't have to be detailed, even some talking points or cliff's notes would be fine. I am just trying to get a handle on what people perceive as Kent State's strengths and weaknesses. I am looking for a good reason (namely a number below 10) to actually take the Eagles so a little compare and contrast could do me some good.

Thanks and good luck.
 
YS, how would you like to go ahead and write that one up for me? Doesn't have to be detailed, even some talking points or cliff's notes would be fine. I am just trying to get a handle on what people perceive as Kent State's strengths and weaknesses. I am looking for a good reason (namely a number below 10) to actually take the Eagles so a little compare and contrast could do me some good.

Thanks and good luck.


I like Kent State for a few reasons. 1) I think they will be a good team to back early in the season. Two years ago they were one of the top teams in the MAC for most of the year. They ended up finishing the season at .500 (which no one expected). Actually, I think Steele had them winning the MAC that year, while everyone else had them in the basement.

That was the first time that they had been good in along time. Last year, they were expected to be pretty good team. Obvious by the 3 win season, that did not happen. They were absolutely crushed by injuries last year. Julian Edleman, who I like a lot was often injured. Edleman's passing has improved, and he has always been able to move out of the pocket. They played with a fourth string (think he was WR that they flipped to QB so they did not have to break a RS) for a few games. LY they lost @ Akron by 7, @ NIU by 7, and to Buffalo in OT. They were one of the worse teams in taking care of the ball last year. A lot of that has to do with a third and fourth string QB playing. Any team would be hurt by this, let alone a MAC school that is just trying to build a program.

One of the most overlooked players in college football, Eugene Jarvis is a straight playmaker for Kent State. He had more yards rushing last year than any other returning RB. He catches the ball to, having over 300 yards last year. Most of the receiving core will be back but they were not that successful last year. Was it the QB situation or just talent? I am not to sure about that...Supposedly, from what a buddy tells me, they have some freshman (TJ something??) that is supposed to be pretty good...They will have a good set of TEs this year. Jameson Konz, who played defense last year flips to TE. "This is a move I wanted to make last season," Martin said. "He is a legitimate NFL prospect at tight end."

They have 3 staters back on a pretty good OL...Steele says they have some pretty good JUCO transfer to...


Also, they finally have someone who could kick FGs...that kid last year had a good year. Most of you know the reason I pointed the kicker out(when they blew 2 covers because of missed EPs a few years back).

On defense they lost Collin Ferral but will still be real good up front...They have a lot of talent and experience...

At LB, they have there top 3 guys back....They lose Konz but gain a transfer from UM...

I am not as sold on their DBs as Steele...They have 6 players back with starting experience...then again there is only one way for this team to go...

Doug Martin, in his short time, has changed the face of this Kent State program. They are advertising now, and becoming part of the community. Yes, i know that does not necessarily win you games BUT it does help chemistry and other intangibles. This is essentially a home game for Kent. It is just 40 minutes away from the Kent State campus.


I think you look at BC and they had about the opposite luck as Kent last year. They won all of those close games. They had "Matty Ice" there to pull a rabbit out of a hat and win the game. They did not have the huge key injuries. They won 7 games by 10 or less points.

The new QB is a 5th year player, but he is not tested....BC loses their 3 top RBs from a year ago...They do get 2 of their top 3 WRs and Crane is a beast of a TE. But flipping what I said about Kent: Are the receivers that good, or did Ryan make them look that good?

Their offensive line lost their best performer and supposedly have been hit by the injury bug in the Spring. Someone else probably has more info on that...Also, Steele credits their good stats last year, to Ryan's quick release. He has them down as losing 5 out of their top 10....

Their defense looks real solid up front but there are many questions in that secondary....

I think that people will undervalue Kent and overvalue BC all year. I think Kent can compete with the best in the MAC and win the MAC East. Everything went wrong for Kent last year. Everything seemed to fall to BC. All in all, I just am more confident with the Flashes. I feel like they are more of a complete and tested team right now. BC has a lot of questions about their back 4 and their offense. Yes, their WR core is good but can the new guy get them the ball? Will Kent really have to respect the running game? This seems to be a game where the team coming off the great season, will disrespect the "lowly" MAC team that only one 3 games the year before. Kent has a chip on their shoulder have feels as if they are a lot better than their record indicates IMO....I think Kent competes in this one and will have a shot to win the game late.

:cheers:
 
:36_11_6:What a fucking idiot Lamu is? I swear these people don't know shit about sports. There is no way in hell that management just fucking picks who wins the conference. I can see the banner in Camp Randall--Wisconsin, 2008 Big 10 Champions (according to TheGreek)


:36_11_6:
 
Thanks for the write-up. very thorough.

Gives me some more ingredients to throw into the mixer.

GL this year.

PS-don't ever live chat with them about anything other than withdrawal/deposit info and promotions. They are there because they can operate a computer, not because they know sports.
 
The Big 10 tiebreaker thing is confusing as fuck...it would almost seem wrong if you lost a bet because of the Big 10's strange tiebreaker rules (i.e. taking the team who has gone the longest period of time since making a Rose Bowl appearance, and putting them in the Rose Bowl).

If I were a sportsbook, I would grade any ties as pushes for those who bet the two teams that tied, and losses for anyone else...

Doesn't matter though, even if Wisky somehow beats OSU they will for sure lose two other Big 10 games...
 
I LOVE Kent in the MAC this year. Their Oline and running game is beastly.

But +10.5 against BC is no surefire thing at all.

---IMO the MAC has fallen down dramatically in the last 3 years. It used to be BG giving Ohio State tough games, Northern Illinois upsetting Purdue, Miami OH giving Big Ten Champ Iowa all they can handle in 02, Toledo beating Kansas, etc.

Tell me if you see any dominant MAC upper echelon teams that could compete with anybody from MAC vs. BCS conferences recently. Last year MAC Champ Central Michigan was blown out by 40 points by Clemson. BC demolished Bowling Green as well.

--BC's defensive strength is run game. Weakness pass defense but Kent is ghastly in that area offensively. That is where this game is won. On BC offense vs. Kent defense you have to give it to BC offense even though they are not explosive they will just grind and overpower with greater athletes.

If anything I might take the under. Very possible to see a 14 point BC win.
 
Thanks for the write-up. very thorough.

Gives me some more ingredients to throw into the mixer.

GL this year.

PS-don't ever live chat with them about anything other than withdrawal/deposit info and promotions. They are there because they can operate a computer, not because they know sports.

Yeah, I could not believe when he or she said that lol....Thanks and Gl to you...:cheers:

The Big 10 tiebreaker thing is confusing as fuck...it would almost seem wrong if you lost a bet because of the Big 10's strange tiebreaker rules (i.e. taking the team who has gone the longest period of time since making a Rose Bowl appearance, and putting them in the Rose Bowl).

If I were a sportsbook, I would grade any ties as pushes for those who bet the two teams that tied, and losses for anyone else...

Doesn't matter though, even if Wisky somehow beats OSU they will for sure lose two other Big 10 games...

No action for me on conference champions action, was just wondering. I am looking at some team totals though....:cheers:

I LOVE Kent in the MAC this year. Their Oline and running game is beastly.

But +10.5 against BC is no surefire thing at all.

---IMO the MAC has fallen down dramatically in the last 3 years. It used to be BG giving Ohio State tough games, Northern Illinois upsetting Purdue, Miami OH giving Big Ten Champ Iowa all they can handle in 02, Toledo beating Kansas, etc.

Tell me if you see any dominant MAC upper echelon teams that could compete with anybody from MAC vs. BCS conferences recently. Last year MAC Champ Central Michigan was blown out by 40 points by Clemson. BC demolished Bowling Green as well.

--BC's defensive strength is run game. Weakness pass defense but Kent is ghastly in that area offensively. That is where this game is won. On BC offense vs. Kent defense you have to give it to BC offense even though they are not explosive they will just grind and overpower with greater athletes.

If anything I might take the under. Very possible to see a 14 point BC win.

I agree with some of this...Yes, Kent's weakness is their passing game per se BUT a lot of that has to do with the injury situation LY. Edleman is a very viable QB and will have a big year IMO... Yes, it is possible for BC to win this game BUT I just do not see that happening. I like Kent a lot in this spot for the things that I mentioned, and I think they can pull the upset...BOL this year and Go Bucks...also, i am interested to see the total on this game:cheers:
Great stuff on Kent YS. I think I might have had them undervalued coming into the year.

Thanks Dmoney..>BOL on all of your future bets:cheers: Thinking I will be on that Cinci...I went through the same thing as you on the OVER 6. I got it a little late though at 152...They basically told me the same thing. I might like it better at 6.5 at + money.....
 
GL Yessir. As you know on Wyoming with ya, great thoughts on Kent, def something for me to look back at, know you are more up-to-date w/ the MAC than most.
 
Thanks all and ETG

I love that Wisky game but it will be interesting to see how Devoe fits in with Akron... He was one of OSU's big recruits this past year- He is Akron's biggest prospect EVER....

just added 3 plays on original box


BOL all
 
The Wyoming outlooks were a little brighter.
Even Cowboys that hardly need an extra spring in their steps appeared to be moving quicker to UW coach Joe Glenn after he finally announced Dax Crum as his starting quarterback.

"(Devin Moore) made another one of those 'R2' (video game) cuts," Glenn said. "I thought D-Mo was really smiling, and I could feel the relaxation from the entire team.

"It was, 'Here's our guy, lets get behind him.' Let's get it on."

It's taken the better part of five months for the Cowboys to move on at quarterback, which has visibly taken a toll on everybody in the program.

After failing to make a decision in the spring, speculation spilled over into the summer and perhaps added to the pressure on Glenn and UW leading into fall camp.

The first two weeks of practice and a shaky scrimmage didn't do much to quell it either, though Glenn seems certain he has the right guy now.

Not to mention a more than capable backup in two-year starter Karsten Sween.

"We really needed to get to one guy and let him start getting the work," Glenn said. "It was pretty obvious in practice (Friday) that the edge was off, that they didn't have to make every pass perfect, and honestly Dax had a great practice.

"Karsten was on, probably didn't get as many reps as he normally does, but I just think we did the right thing."

He didn't get much argument from Moore, who's always given his full support to whomever takes the snaps.

The senior running back never took sides and put his faith in the coaching staff, stressing since spring ball that any of the quarterbacks on the roster could lead the Cowboys back to a bowl game.

"We're still behind every other quarterback, but Dax is our man," Moore said. "He gets 110 percent from us right now, that's for sure.

"We're very relieved to get it over with, we're happy about it. We think Dax is a great leader and can be the guy to step up and get things done."

The elevation of the junior college transfer to the top of the depth chart should make it easier for the rest of the Cowboys to get things done without answering too many questions about the quarterback situation.

At least for now UW has finally put the matter to rest.

"The kid will do a great job," Glenn said. "He has a lot of poise. He's got a much better command of what we're doing now than in the spring, and he's a dude, now. He'll be a great quarterback for us.

"By nature of the fact that he's now No. 1, I think Dax can also lead a little bit easier. He's got the keys to the car."

Everybody's ready to get on the road.

n DEPTH CHECK: Defensive coordinator Mike Breske had his own position battles to sort out, albeit with considerably less fanfare.

Most notably, Breske installed the Gipson brothers, Marcell and Tashaun, as his cornerbacks and moved senior Quincy Rogers to strong safety to make room for Buffalo native Chris Prosinski in the starting lineup.

On the offensive side of the ball, Donate Morgan, Brandon Stewart and Greg Bolling emerged from a crowded field to win the starting jobs at receiver.

n BUMPS AND BRUISES: Chris Johnson always seem to be battling something.

The senior receiver might finally be over his recurring thumb injury, but for the second time this week Johnson had to deal with a tender ankle that could keep him out of practice for a few days.

"He was gritting his teeth pretty hard," Glenn said. "It's tough to miss time right now when we're going through installation."


Contact sports reporter Austin Ward at (307) 266-0634 or austin.ward@trib.com.

Cowboys Tracker

FRIDAY: Wyoming continued practice during fall camp, but more important, finally tabbed a starting quarterback.

AND THE WINNER IS: Junior college transfer Dax Crum earned the nod over two-year starter Karsten Sween, ending a battle that's carried over from the spring nearly two weeks into camp.

HE SAID IT: "He'll be a great quarterback for us." -- UW coach Joe Glenn.

UP NEXT: A morning practice today for the Cowboys.
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