Wednesday NBA Discussion

[Marlo]

<TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#800000 height=20><TD width=225>Wednesday, January 28, 2009</TD><TD width=75 bgColor=#ffffff>Game/2ndH</TD><TD align=middle width=55>1stH</TD><TD align=middle width=55>1stQ</TD><TD align=middle width=55>2ndQ</TD><TD align=middle width=55>3rdQ</TD><TD align=middle width=55>4thQ</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#003366 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>#</TD><TD width=200>Team Name </TD><TD align=right width=95>Spread </TD><TD align=middle width=95>Total</TD><TD align=middle width=55>MoneyLn</TD><TD align=right width=85>T1 Total </TD><TD align=right width=85>T2 Total </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>7:35 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>503</TD><TD width=180>Sacramento Kings</TD><TD align=middle width=85></TD><TD align=middle width=85 bgColor=#666666></TD><TD width=45></TD><TD width=85></TD><TD width=85></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>504</TD><TD width=180>Boston Celtics</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-16½</TD><TD align=middle width=85 bgColor=#666666>204</TD><TD width=45></TD><TD width=85></TD><TD width=85></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>7:35 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>505</TD><TD width=180>Washington Wizards</TD><TD align=middle width=85></TD><TD align=middle width=85 bgColor=#666666></TD><TD width=45></TD><TD width=85></TD><TD width=85></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>506</TD><TD width=180>Miami Heat</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-9</TD><TD align=middle width=85 bgColor=#666666>191</TD><TD width=45></TD><TD width=85></TD><TD width=85></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>7:35 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>507</TD><TD width=180>Toronto Raptors</TD><TD align=middle width=85></TD><TD align=middle width=85 bgColor=#666666></TD><TD width=45></TD><TD width=85></TD><TD width=85></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>508</TD><TD width=180>New Jersey Nets</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-1</TD><TD align=middle width=85 bgColor=#666666>195½</TD><TD width=45></TD><TD width=85></TD><TD width=85></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>7:35 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>509</TD><TD width=180>Atlanta Hawks</TD><TD align=middle width=85></TD><TD align=middle width=85></TD><TD width=45></TD><TD width=85></TD><TD width=85></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>510</TD><TD width=180>New York Knicks</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-1</TD><TD align=middle width=85>207</TD><TD width=45></TD><TD width=85></TD><TD width=85></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>8:05 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>513</TD><TD width=180>Memphis Grizzlies</TD><TD align=middle width=85></TD><TD align=middle width=85></TD><TD width=45></TD><TD width=85></TD><TD width=85></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>514</TD><TD width=180>Oklahoma City Thunder</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-7</TD><TD align=middle width=85>195½</TD><TD width=45></TD><TD width=85></TD><TD width=85></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>8:05 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>515</TD><TD width=180>Detroit Pistons</TD><TD align=middle width=85></TD><TD align=middle width=85 bgColor=#666666></TD><TD width=45></TD><TD width=85></TD><TD width=85></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>516</TD><TD width=180>Minnesota Timberwolves</TD><TD align=middle width=85>pk</TD><TD align=middle width=85 bgColor=#666666>187</TD><TD width=45></TD><TD width=85></TD><TD width=85></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width="100%"><SMALL>10:05 pm </SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width="98%" bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=35>521</TD><TD width=180>Charlotte Bobcats</TD><TD align=middle width=85></TD><TD align=middle width=85></TD><TD width=45></TD><TD width=85></TD><TD width=85></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=35>522</TD><TD width=180>Portland Trailblazers</TD><TD align=middle width=85>-9</TD><TD align=middle width=85>180</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[Marlo]

Some interesting lines. First glance

Kings
Heat
Raps
Knicks
Grizz
Det
Cats

 

[J.C.!!!]

1st glance DETROIT & UNDER HEAT

 

[CappingCrunch]

3 games i really like here...

Toronto/NYK/OKC

 

[BetCrimes1984]

Nawlins has alternated ATS wins/losses for 14 games: lwlwlwlwlwlwlw...?


Houston has alternated ATS wins/losses for 13 games: lwlwlwlwlwlwl...?


New York has alternated total results for 9 games: uouououou...?


Miami has alternated total results for 8 games: ouououou...?


As bad as the Clippers have been, since Mobley left they have only once lost 3 straight ATS: will play Chicago Wednesday off 2 straight ATS losses.


Chicago is 2-10 ATS off their last 12 ATS wins, 5-13 ATS off an ATS win this season, and 18-36 (33%) ATS off their last 54 ATS wins dating back into the 06-07 season


In Minnesota's current 14-3-1 ATS streak, they are 9-0 ATS away but "only" 5-3-1 ATS at home.


Detroit is 7-11 SU & 4-14 ATS in Rip Hamilton's last 18 games.


Philadelphia is 3-9 ATS the last 12 games Brand has played in (compared to 8-3-1 ATS the last 12 games he hasn't played in).


Charlotte is 5-2-1 ATS off their last 8 SU losses.


Toronto is 1-6 SU & ATS off consecutive SU wins this season.


Milwaukee is 10-1 SU & 8-3 ATS off their last 11 SU losses.


Boston has won 6 straight games ATS. Their longest ATS run since KG & Raywol joined the team is 7 straight.

 

[JPicks]

Nawlins has alternated ATS wins/losses for 14 games: lwlwlwlwlwlwlw...?


Houston has alternated ATS wins/losses for 13 games: lwlwlwlwlwlwl...?


New York has alternated total results for 9 games: uouououou...?


Miami has alternated total results for 8 games: ouououou...?


As bad as the Clippers have been, since Mobley left they have only once lost 3 straight ATS: will play Chicago Wednesday off 2 straight ATS losses.


Chicago is 2-10 ATS off their last 12 ATS wins, 5-13 ATS off an ATS win this season, and 18-36 (33%) ATS off their last 54 ATS wins dating back into the 06-07 season


In Minnesota's current 14-3-1 ATS streak, they are 9-0 ATS away but "only" 5-3-1 ATS at home.


Detroit is 7-11 SU & 4-14 ATS in Rip Hamilton's last 18 games.


Philadelphia is 3-9 ATS the last 12 games Brand has played in (compared to 8-3-1 ATS the last 12 games he hasn't played in).


Charlotte is 5-2-1 ATS off their last 8 SU losses.


Toronto is 1-6 SU & ATS off consecutive SU wins this season.


Milwaukee is 10-1 SU & 8-3 ATS off their last 11 SU losses.


Boston has won 6 straight games ATS. Their longest ATS run since KG & Raywol joined the team is 7 straight.

Such an asset to the forum. Appreciate these. Quick question. Are you implying that you think the Cats are going to lose tonight? Sixers also need to dump Brand. Josh Howard, Baron Davis, and Elton Brand all need to switch teams. Surely they could work out something for a three way trade. Those 3 players inhibit their teams imo.

 

[BetCrimes1984]

I rue the day Brand left the Clippers. His presence cemented their Under ways. Somewhat less predictable in that regard they are since he left them.

 

[JPicks]

I rue the day Brand left the Clippers. His presence cemented their Under ways. Somewhat less predictable in that regard they are since he left them.

while you are around, one more question for ya. Are you as excited about Bucks unders as I am? Especially when Bogut returns.

 

[edou1x]

how can OKC lay points?? they shouldn't lay points to anybody. If memphis loses vs denver i take MEM + 7

 

[BetCrimes1984]

while you are around, one more question for ya. Are you as excited about Bucks unders as I am? Especially when Bogut returns.

Hopefully they manage to keep up the Over production before he returns (given a couple of Unders their last 2 games). Too many Unders prior to that, and the lines won't be as advantageous as they otherwise would be.

 

[CappingCrunch]

i dont know why but i like the minny pk for some reason

 

[Ramathorn02]

Nawlins has alternated ATS wins/losses for 14 games: lwlwlwlwlwlwlw...?


Houston has alternated ATS wins/losses for 13 games: lwlwlwlwlwlwl...?


New York has alternated total results for 9 games: uouououou...?


Miami has alternated total results for 8 games: ouououou...?


As bad as the Clippers have been, since Mobley left they have only once lost 3 straight ATS: will play Chicago Wednesday off 2 straight ATS losses.


Chicago is 2-10 ATS off their last 12 ATS wins, 5-13 ATS off an ATS win this season, and 18-36 (33%) ATS off their last 54 ATS wins dating back into the 06-07 season


In Minnesota's current 14-3-1 ATS streak, they are 9-0 ATS away but "only" 5-3-1 ATS at home.


Detroit is 7-11 SU & 4-14 ATS in Rip Hamilton's last 18 games.


Philadelphia is 3-9 ATS the last 12 games Brand has played in (compared to 8-3-1 ATS the last 12 games he hasn't played in).


Charlotte is 5-2-1 ATS off their last 8 SU losses.


Toronto is 1-6 SU & ATS off consecutive SU wins this season.


Milwaukee is 10-1 SU & 8-3 ATS off their last 11 SU losses.


Boston has won 6 straight games ATS. Their longest ATS run since KG & Raywol joined the team is 7 straight.

Love this, but I stil ldon't know if I should fade the trends or not, lol.

 

[BetCrimes1984]

There's a guy - View - who has picked 17 straight NBA winners in wagerline's survivor contest....

<TABLE class=thepicks id=tblRecord cellSpacing=0><TBODY><TR class=datahead><TD width="10%">Date</TD><TD width="8%">Sport</TD><TD width="25%">Away</TD><TD width="11%">Line</TD><TD width="25%">Home</TD><TD width="14%">Line</TD><TD width="7%">Status</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/27/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>Indiana</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>Orlando</TD><TD class=datacell>-9</TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/26/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>Philadelphia</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>New Orleans</TD><TD class=datacell>-3</TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/25/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>Houston</TD><TD class=datacell>+2</TD><TD class=datacell>Detroit</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/24/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>Sacramento</TD><TD class=datacell>+7.5</TD><TD class=datacell>Milwaukee</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/23/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>New Jersey</TD><TD class=datacell>+12.5</TD><TD class=datacell>San Antonio</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/21/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>Cleveland</TD><TD class=datacell>+1</TD><TD class=datacell>Portland</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/19/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>Dallas</TD><TD class=datacell>+3.5</TD><TD class=datacell>Philadelphia</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/18/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>Phoenix</TD><TD class=datacell>-3</TD><TD class=datacell>Toronto</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/17/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>San Antonio</TD><TD class=datacell>-3</TD><TD class=datacell>Chicago</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/16/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>Milwaukee</TD><TD class=datacell>-1</TD><TD class=datacell>Sacramento</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/14/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>Sacramento</TD><TD class=datacell>vs</TD><TD class=datacell>Golden State</TD><TD class=datacell>Over 227</TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/13/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>Atlanta</TD><TD class=datacell>+7.5</TD><TD class=datacell>Phoenix</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/12/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>Portland</TD><TD class=datacell>-2.5</TD><TD class=datacell>Chicago</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/11/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>Orlando</TD><TD class=datacell>+2.5</TD><TD class=datacell>San Antonio</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/09/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>Miami</TD><TD class=datacell>-3</TD><TD class=datacell>Sacramento</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/08/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>New York</TD><TD class=datacell>+8</TD><TD class=datacell>Dallas</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datacell>01/07/09</TD><TD class=datacell>NBA</TD><TD class=datacell>Detroit</TD><TD class=datacell>+3.5</TD><TD class=datacell>Portland</TD><TD class=datacell> </TD><TD class=datacell>WON</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[BetCrimes1984]

Detroit is 10-0 to Under in regulation their last 10 road games. Their last 6 regulation Overs, dating back to December 12th, have all been at home.


Mempiss is now 0-10 ATS their last 10 games, 1-12 ATS their last 13 games as a Dog, & 1-10 ATS in their last 11 road games that didn't go into overtime.

 

[Killa]

i dont know why but i like the minny pk for some reason

Will this be an official play? I know you haven't made your Wednesday thread yet, but if so, I just wanna get it in now in case the line moves. Thanks.

:shake:

 

[tuck321]

OKC is 9-1 ats at home last 10. I do not see it as a revenge game. The two teams are 5-5 last 10. One seems to be in much better form than the other.
Houston is playing at home after a loss which brings in the first half. Indiana is a live possibility. If you look at their game logs they are a great team to play chases with after an ats loss. Very seldom have to go past the first loss. They have not had 3 consecutive ats losses this season. No line but worth mentioning. Detroit is one of the teams I am unlikely to bet until after I see a drastic shift. As I understand it Hamilton and Wallace are likely to be gone next year and that may also be true of Allan. You see very strange results in their games. The one that finished me off was when they played Dallas. This is the box score of that game. 31-25 32-26 27-21 22-19. They never won a quarter. No Detroit player went 27 minutes or longer. As they were getting killed on their own home, they took a total of 4 three point shots in the game They had had 2 days of in the preceding 3 and had the next day off. They were losing at home by large amounts and in the entire game they took 4 three's. The lack of any effort as they were being beaten by 21 points at home was just incredible. After Minn they play Boston. They are different ways you can look at this and I am not sure which is correct. Boston has been the bane of their existence so win this game before they get beaten by Boston again. or who cares about this game we have to beat Boston or we are just jokes. Not sure. Do not see it as a revenge game. Detroit had hammered Minn for 5 of the last 6 games before Minn got the last game. What I am saying is that Detroit is simply a headcase team right now like so many while Minn is simply trying to play well and get ahead. Minn is 7-2-1 ats last 10 while Detroit is 3-7 ats so as people interested in winning instead of losing there seems to be a big difference in rate of return and I do not see why this game should be looked at differently. This does not mean you should bet Minn. it does not mean you should bet OKC or Indiana. It means those are the sides you should be considering betting on because those are the sides that are making money. With Houston of course the standard first half bet seems reasonable. Some people are talking about playing Washington. You have the Heat off 2 big wins while Washington looks like garbage and is operating with double revenge. Small problem. Washington IS garbage. They re not a team that had bad luck really. The GM did a very bad job and the veteran players simply never play defense or think about anything but woe is me. No one in the league cares except possibly Cleveland. Situations change when something happens. Nothing has happened. it seems likely nothing will happen. If you bet them trying to make money you are trying to do something very hard. Usually there are easier bets available. Catching lightning in a bottle is really not safe. Meanwhile Miami is transforming. in their last 12 wins they are 10-1-1 ats. Before that they won 2 games but did not cover. The 2 teams were OKC and The Bobcats both great ats winners. The more recent 1 ats loser was at home vs against NJ. it was a b-b game at home and NJ is a 14-6 ats winner last 20 on the road. So all 3 of those ats loses were against strong ats winners. Washington is not hopeless away. 8-12 ats last 20 but they have not been an asset either and I am not yet seeing any strong angles supporting the play. Once again I am not saying you must bet Miami but you should be trying to avoid negative equity and teams like Washington are usually not a bettor's friend. There is no line up on the game but GS is 6-4 ats last 10 while Dallas is 4-6 ats. Saying the 2 teams hate each other is an understatement. Corey is a very effective scorer. GS has a lot of fire power now and Dallas is still 5-15 ats last 20 at home so you know here which way the money has been moving to. There are many options but you are much safer picking simple ones involving teams that have a good chance of winning you money and avoiding the traps. Old story of the sirens at sea who would sing a man to destruction. Trying to bet on teams that regularly do not produce reminds me of them. GL

 

[GTribe5]

Hey Tuck whats your play regarding houston and the first half?

 

[reNew Orleans]

Wednesday Night In-Game

Hornets/Nuggets delayed due to a fan collapsing court side.

 

[CappingCrunch]

denver came out firing from all cylinders

 

[Ramathorn02]

damn, hope fan is ok. I'm on the under.

 

[BetCrimes1984]

fan probably had Nawlins TT over 1st half and had a heart attack after they managed 4 pts in the 1st 5 mins