Vince Young is not mentally stable...

[Smokedawg]

Police: Titans feared for Young's safety

By JIM WYATT • Staff Writer • September 9, 2008
<script language="JavaScript1.2"> function NewWindow(height,width,url) {window.open(url,"ShowProdWindow","menubars=0,scrollbars=1,resizable=1,height="+height+",width="+width); }</script>Metro Police issued a bulletin for officers to be on the lookout for Titans quarterback Vince Young on Monday night after Coach Jeff Fisher expressed concern about his emotional well being.


According to Metro Police spokesman Don Aaron, Fisher had been alerted after a friend of Young’s contacted the coach around 7 p.m. Monday night.



Young eventually made contact with Fisher, and the two met around midnight with Metro police officials at Baptist Sports Park.<script language="JavaScript">OAS_AD('Article</script>

“Given the totality of the situation, Coach Fisher was concerned about Young’s emotional well-being. He contacted the police department and expressed to us his concern,’’ Aaron said.

“Once he came to Baptist Sports Park and was assessed, it appeared the concerns from earlier in the night were unfounded.’’

According to police, Young left his home abruptly Monday night and sped off without his cell phone. A person at Young’s home contacted Fisher, who then contacted police.

After Young eventually made contact with Fisher several hours later, he was told he needed to meet with police.

Young had a handgun in the glove compartment of his vehicle, but it was not loaded and Aaron said officers had no concerns about Young trying to harm himself.

“The fact the gun was in the glove compartment and was unloaded did not present an issue for the officers,’’ Aaron said. “There was no ammunition in the car. The gun was unloaded. The slide was back in a safe position, and it was in the glove box.’’

Fisher could not immediately be reached for comment. On Tuesday, the team issued a statement:

“Last night, we received a call from people that are closest to Vince informing us that he had left his house in a state of mind that had them concerned; and that he was unreachable, having left his cell phone at the house. Not having all the facts available to us and approaching the matter prudently, we contacted Metro Police to make them aware of the situation and asked for their assistance in locating Vince. He was located at a friend’s house, where we made contact with him. He then came to the practice facility where it was determined that those initial concerns by his friends and family were unfounded and he returned home without incident.”


Young suffered a left knee injury in the team’s 17-10 win over the Jaguars on Sunday. He was scheduled to undergo an MRI on the knee on Monday, but the MRI had to be rescheduled.

Young has proven to be an emotional player since being drafted by the Titans in the 2006 NFL Draft. Police took Monday’s episode seriously, Aaron said. After meeting with Fisher and police, Young was given permission to go home on his own.

“In a major city police department we have calls like this all the time about people who fear for their loved ones and want the police department to find them and check on their welfare, the difference here being Vince Young’s notoriety,’’ Aaron said.

“When the police department gets such calls you have to take them seriously. Every person is different and you never know how these issues will ultimately turn out. The concerns of last night appear to be unfounded.’’

 

[JumpOnBoard]

He shoulda just retired last year like he wanted too...

 

[Smokedawg]

this sounds pretty bad

i wouldnt be suprised if he never played in the NFL again

 

[brewer]

shucks. i really wanted to see another 9 and 17 outting from him this year.

 

[YesSir]

He is dogshit anyways...Get better VY so I am play under 3.5 completions for you

 

[MusicCityGambler]

He'll be alright. The kid just needs some confidence. You can see he is thinking way too much on the field. Even though the game looked bad, if you watch closely his performance is very difficult to evaluate.

One, he doesn't run anymore and that's what made him so dangerous. He will never be a top pocket passer. He has to embrace his unique skill set and quit trying to be something he isn't. He will never reach his potential unless he does.

Two, his receivers dropped three first down passes and McCareins ran a half assed route on a beautifully thrown deep ball. All of that happened in the first half and I'm sure that destroyed any confidence he had going into the game. I still think he needs a lot of help at receiver and that any young QB would look shaky at best with that crew.

Having said that, he needs to grow up a little. Quit the pouting and celebrate with your teammates. That bothers me much more than anything that happens on the field. The starting QB needs to be a leader that motivates his teammates.

 

[Inspekdah]

Looks like those who sided with Cutler/Lienart win!

Just never destined to play in a league of men. A confused, little kid who now just has that "weird" feeling to him. Can't describe it but he doesn't seem right. Twisted, unstable, etc.

Peaked in the miracle that was Texas over USC. Never had any of the real tools to be a successful QB in the NFL.

Bustttttttttttttttttt

 

[MusicCityGambler]

Looks like those who sided with Cutler/Lienart win!

Just never destined to play in a league of men. A confused, little kid who now just has that "weird" feeling to him. Can't describe it but he doesn't seem right. Twisted, unstable, etc.

Peaked in the miracle that was Texas over USC. Never had any of the real tools to be a successful QB in the NFL.

Bustttttttttttttttttt

Wait a minute here. Matt Leinart ,who can't even motivated to succeed when he has total studs at reveiver is suddenly better than Vince? C'mon. Leinart has been a complete bust so far. Maybe that changes one day but you can't feel good about it.

Cutler looks like the best bet of the three. I really liked what I saw from him last night. He's got the arm and good intangiables.

Young will have his detractors but don't for a minute ignore the good things he has done in the NFL and act like everything has been a disaster for him. He's had the worst receivers in the league for the last three seasons and people are ready to crown the guy a failure when he wins over 60% of his games? Makes no sense to me.

 

[wreck]

Titans asked police to help find QB Young Quarterback was 'emotionally down' after injuring his knee on Sunday
The Associated Press
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Vince Young is awaiting an MRI exam on his sprained left knee Tuesday, hours after the Tennessee Titans sought police help in finding the quarterback the team described as “emotionally down.”

Young left his home around 7 Monday night without a phone, prompting the Titans to call Nashville police for help. The team got a message to Young through a friend, and the quarterback met with coach Jeff Fisher and police at team headquarters around 11:30 p.m. Police spokesman Don Aaron said Young drove himself home about 30 minutes later.

The story first was reported by WKRN-TV.
“Ultimately, it appears the initial concerns about his emotional state were unfounded,” Aaron said Tuesday. “But no one actually knew that until he was spoken to face to face.”

Aaron also said Young had an unloaded handgun in the glovebox of his car. Tennessee law permits unloaded firearms in vehicles as long as no ammunition is present.

Young hurt his knee late in Sunday’s 17-10 win over Jacksonville and was booed heavily by fans.

“Given the totality of the circumstances, the fact that Young had been emotionally down all day Coach Fisher contacted the police department and asked for help in finding him to check on his emotional well-being,” Aaron said.

The Titans said people close to Young called the team Monday night, concerned about his state of mind when he left his home.

“He was located at a friend’s house, where we made contact with him. He then came to the practice facility where it was determined that those initial concerns by his friends and family were unfounded, and he returned home without incident,” the Titans said in a statement.

Young’s MRI exam was rescheduled for Tuesday from Monday with no explanation.

 

[Greencastle]

Maybe those pictures of him partying hard at that Yag bar was a sign?

 

[~Utah]

I feel bad for the guy

 

[Pirate88]

Pray for VY, but Wonderlic Test may have been clue

 

[Gorgolon Lives]

Upgrade Chris Johnson in Fantasy.

 

[JumpOnBoard]

Shit they'll throw more with Kerry then with Vince for sure.

 

[brewer]

Upgrade Chris Johnson in Fantasy.

:smiley_abvm:

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

The guy has some sort of disorder for sure. He may be BIPOLAR I think--

THe guy is loaded a millionaire given the key to the franchise and still is depressed---


This proves one thing for all the black Qb's that are busts this makes me feel that MCNABB is a pretty good QB, at least he has adapted to the NFL and learned to throw the ball, same with GERRARD.

 

[nawlins51]

Pray for VY, but Wonderlic Test may have been clue

Bingo.

When someone takes a test and can barely spell his name, it should send a news flash to the front office personnel involved with scouthing/drafting.Wish the best for the guy but never expected anything from him that would be special. The last QB that wanted to run the ball is not in the NFL anymore either.People just have to face the facts and realize that the NFL is a lot different than college football. A QB who could run all over a team in college will probably get his career shortend in the NFL.

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

I have no idea how the hell Mike VICK, VInce YOung , Jamarcus Russell, ever got drafted at all. They are borderline CFL prospects at that--

If anyone has ever played football they will know that the QB position has to be a very smart guy. He has to understand coverage, and anticipate things and play a chess match with the defense. THe QB has to think very fast and quick and make decisions in a split second. Peyton and Brady are 2 examples of geniuses that can do it very very well.

Vince, Vick and Jamarcus can barely spell their names or think so why would anyone think they could play QB in the NFL? Because their is a shortage of QB's in the NFL and they get their with their running. If anyone played football they also know that a running QB wreaks havoc on a defense--

If Vince, Vick or JAMARCUS does not run from the pocket all game they would all go winless on the year--

The truth is that jamarcus, Vick and Vince are just basically athletes who should be receivers or running backs--

conduct off the field, depression and vick doing this dog shit also proves that these guys are not thier mentally as a QB- you would never hear peyton or brady engaging in such retarded activities--

THe bottom line is vegas is giving us FREE money betting vs Jamarcus and VY-- these guys are not QB's, they are just freaks of nature, athletic strong guys that cannot throw and are trying to be moulded into a position that is very very rare for a black athlete to excel in.


NFL scouting is exactly like PLAYBOY or PORN industry-- they get blinded by big tall muscular QB's that can throw it 70 yards and can bench 300 pounds- IN porn same thing they go for fake tits blondes, and overlook the girls who are good in front of the camera--
NFL is in love with the 40 yard dash so much-- look at the QB's that win superbowls, Manning, Brady, Favre, Brad JOhnson, Rothlesberger, what is their 40 times???

The NFL has fallen in love with super athletic thuggish idiots that really are not great football players. What the hell has Chad Johnson really done in his career???? Russell is a project and a 3rd stringer at best in the NFL--

Vince Young will follow his cousin Vick and be out of football in 2 years-

I like Gerard because he can throw and he is a model citizzen, the rest of the clowns could learn from his work ethic and development. Gerrard was drafted way after all of the #1 QB's and he is 10 times better than all of the other black QB;'s.

 

[JumpOnBoard]

Wow.

 

[JumpOnBoard]

Pretty sure Tenny was better than 8-8 ATS last year.

 

[MusicCityGambler]

I can tell who actually watches the games or simply listens to outlandish ESPN personalities by their analysis of VY. HE'S NOT A RUNNING QB, HE DOESN'T RUN ANYMORE. This is part of the problem. The guy can be a success but he's going to have to pull his head out of his ass.

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

I liked Vince a lot when he used to run all over the field---

Really good black QB's are only good for 2 seasons MAX-- this is because the amount of hits they take, they are forced to stop running or their careers will be over. The size of the players and the way the hit like trains, there is no way VIck and VY can take hits like that--

WHen they come out of college all fast running 4.4 40's they are at their peak level. Every game they play after that they start to get slower as they are hit, hit and hit hard. Their bones and joints start to hurt, their hammy's get tight, they get basically killed. This is why by the third year these guys are trying to be Dan MARINO and stop running-

Gerrrard is the ex- he runs on occasion but looks to throw first and he runs when the D is not expecting it-- IF I was a D and I played VY or VICK, I would be like oK lets just hit hit hit and hit him, he will wear down-
THere will never be a running QB fast enough to beat a D now, with all the speed and all the roids going around.

 

[nawlins51]

I can tell who actually watches the games or simply listens to outlandish ESPN personalities by their analysis of VY. HE'S NOT A RUNNING QB, HE DOESN'T RUN ANYMORE. This is part of the problem. The guy can be a success but he's going to have to pull his head out of his ass.

Yeah he should run but a QB who does this all the time will have a short NFL career. Thats what I am saying. I wish VY the best but a QB in this league who runs all the time will not be in the NFL long. Look at the top QB's in this league. Not 1 is a scrambling QB. The last one imo who was sucessful was Steve Young. Look how his career ended. He had to get out due to head injuries. He suffered more head injuries running the damn ball than sitting in the pocket.

 

[Santacapper]

wow... is right

what does it have to do with his mental state?

if its depression, it doesnt discriminate against how much money you have in your account

jeebus

 

[tru]

This proves one thing for all the black Qb's that are busts...

before i even read anyone else replies


what tha fuck does his race have anythign to do to here? hes black an he plays QB. whys his race matter? an for every 1 black qb that doesnt make it theres many more white QBs who do bust sittin right next to them. i guess we forget always abotu warren moon an randall cunningham 2 great nfl QBs, no matter what skin color.

have no idea how the hell Mike VICK, VInce YOung , Jamarcus Russell, ever got drafted at all. They are borderline CFL prospects

what tha hell are u talkin about? show me tha falcons record since vick was drafted games he played in an games he didnt. im pretty sure u will see what he did for that team. russell is a 2nd year qb. young is better than collins on that team an a damn good QB to lead his team. no one ever talks about big ben his rookie year he wasnt that greatest % an numbers wise but he didnt lose an he didnt cost them games. vicne makes shit happen wit his feet an arm not many can in that league do jus like mcnabb. why all this hate for men of color playin QB in tha nfl?

 

[CAPital]

wow....so sammy when is the clan meeting?? Comparing Young's problem to Vick's is about as insane as one can get. Vince, by all accounts is a great guy/citizen. As Santa said, depression is non-discriminating. What Vick did was not.....i could type more but my head is about to asplode

 

[YesSir]

Just read a few posts to realize that people might think that VY is a decent QB?!?! What? He is about as dogshit as you can be for a QB...Without really looking at it, I could prrbably name 20 QBs I would rather have start than him!

HE sucks...this could be the best thing to happen to the Oilers since the upset they had on the MCM....Congrats Tennessee

 

[tru]

vince isnt great but look at his rookie season. he took a sorry ass titans team to 8-8 who was 4-12 tha year before, then 10-6 tha next season, last year.

when people talk about great QBs people still add bradshaw to tha list because of wins, in super bowls. bradshaw was a shit QB on a great team. but he fuckin won games that matter. but no one talks about his 212 tds an his 210 ints, but hes a hall of fame QB. what makes a good fuckin qb is a leader on tha field an ability to win games, period. stats are stats, wins are what tha fuck matters. vince has shown even wit no wrs he turned that teams from 4-12 to 8-8 his 1st rookie season an that was even after startin 0-5. say what u wanna say vince doesnt put up marino, elway,favre,brady,romo,manning type numbers but he has shown he can take control on that O an put up what matters WINS.

 

[brewer]

4 things.

kyle orton is 13-6 that doesnt make him good.

vince young doesnt run anymore.

collins is better qb.

who cares if he's black.

 

[Smokedawg]

this has nothing to do with him being black or even whether or not hes a good QB...this has to do with him possibly being certifiably nuts and borderline suicidal

 

[RetroVK]

VY is not a bad qb. Would like to see what pther qb's in the league would do with that wr group. He is a winner.... he was a winner in hgih school where his school overachieved , he was a winner in college where he led his team to a win over the espn proclaimed and self proclaimed "greatest team of all time " and he has been nothing but a winner as a starter in the nfl.

I tend to agree with both the stances on VY and his playing style in the nfl. if i am the titans i would let him play his game , play to his strengths. I also agree with nawlins that this likely means he will get hurt and it means he will likely have a shorter career. But i don't think he should have been drafted that high if the plan was to make him a pure pocket passer a la peyton manning. Let vince be vince on the field and if he goes down , bring in the backup.

Was someone trying to argue above that leinart has been a better nfl qb than young ?? wow. put vy with fitzgerald and boldin and after he is done having an orgasm with actually seeing talented nfl caliber recievers wearing the same colored jersey, he will light up the scoreboard.

The guy was mad and/or upset and was worried about his knee exam and yada yada yada ..... it was much to do about nothing.

Also want to point out that i cant believe we are still doing the bullshit black qb thing,..... VY is a CLASS act and should never be referred to indirectly as thuggish.

Most dominant college player i have ever seen and a decent nfl qb to this point in his relatively young career. The guy is a winner and a stand up individual and deserves to be treated as such.

 

[Capt. Slap]

The only thing black QB's CANT be in the NFL are backup's...

 

[~Utah]

I liked Vince a lot when he used to run all over the field---

Really good black QB's are only good for 2 seasons MAX-- this is because the amount of hits they take, they are forced to stop running or their careers will be over. The size of the players and the way the hit like trains, there is no way VIck and VY can take hits like that--

WHen they come out of college all fast running 4.4 40's they are at their peak level. Every game they play after that they start to get slower as they are hit, hit and hit hard. Their bones and joints start to hurt, their hammy's get tight, they get basically killed. This is why by the third year these guys are trying to be Dan MARINO and stop running-

Gerrrard is the ex- he runs on occasion but looks to throw first and he runs when the D is not expecting it-- IF I was a D and I played VY or VICK, I would be like oK lets just hit hit hit and hit him, he will wear down-
THere will never be a running QB fast enough to beat a D now, with all the speed and all the roids going around.

Statements like this are what got Rush Limbaugh kicked off ESPN. What does being black have anything to do with this? Tru already took care of this but ill add more. You are obviously very ignorant when it comes to a lot of things in sports and life by the looks of it.

Vick - Brought the Falcons out of shitiness and took them to the playoffs, beat the Packers in Green Bay in the playoffs - first time ever. As soon as he left this team went to shit, this team was nothing without Vick. He was the team in other words. Youve bashed him for his play, but the guy was a good football player and there is nothing that you can say to prove otherwise. Micheal Vick made the Falcons

Russell - I laughed at this last night, you obviously know very little about him. He has one of the strongest arm's in the NFL and he is very young, one of the youngest QB's in the league, he has 2 starts under his belt, and he is 21 years old and you have thrown him under the bus as a bust? I can only imagine next week when the Raiders beat the Chiefs next week you will talking about him like god.

Vince Young - The guy obviously has issues, but that doesnt change the fact that he made the pro bowl as a rookie. Took his team to the playoffs on a miracle run after they had a terrible start. nearly took his team to the playoffs last year. And led his team to a victory last week. I dont know Vince Young personally but this guy seems like a nice guy that has a few things he needs to care of and thats it, it happens to a lot of people everyday, just he is in the spotlight

Chad Johnson - What has Chad Johnson done in his career? A lot more then a lot of other people. I hate the guy more then anyone in the NFL, no way around it, he is a very good WR

Mcnabb - you didnt bring him up, but hes a black QB that has had an excellent career

Gerrard - has potential

Your statements are baseless and stupid, theres no reason to say what you said about vince young, you know nothing about him personally.

 

[brewer]

Will this thread be closed?

Yes -330
No +130

 

[RetroVK]

Statements like this are what got Rush Limbaugh kicked off ESPN. What does being black have anything to do with this? Tru already took care of this but ill add more. You are obviously very ignorant when it comes to a lot of things in sports and life by the looks of it.

Vick - Brought the Falcons out of shitiness and took them to the playoffs, beat the Packers in Green Bay in the playoffs - first time ever. As soon as he left this team went to shit, this team was nothing without Vick. He was the team in other words. Youve bashed him for his play, but the guy was a good football player and there is nothing that you can say to prove otherwise. Micheal Vick made the Falcons

Russell - I laughed at this last night, you obviously know very little about him. He has one of the strongest arm's in the NFL and he is very young, one of the youngest QB's in the league, he has 2 starts under his belt, and he is 21 years old and you have thrown him under the bus as a bust? I can only imagine next week when the Raiders beat the Chiefs next week you will talking about him like god.

Vince Young - The guy obviously has issues, but that doesnt change the fact that he made the pro bowl as a rookie. Took his team to the playoffs on a miracle run after they had a terrible start. nearly took his team to the playoffs last year. And led his team to a victory last week. I dont know Vince Young personally but this guy seems like a nice guy that has a few things he needs to care of and thats it, it happens to a lot of people everyday, just he is in the spotlight

Chad Johnson - What has Chad Johnson done in his career? A lot more then a lot of other people. I hate the guy more then anyone in the NFL, no way around it, he is a very good WR

Mcnabb - you didnt bring him up, but hes a black QB that has had an excellent career

Gerrard - has potential

Your statements are baseless and stupid, theres no reason to say what you said about vince young, you know nothing about him personally.

What ?!?!?!?!?!

I agree with Alex....... maybe i am on the wrong side this time ..... just kidding .... good post alex.

guys lets get off the black qb BS debate and return thread to vince young situation. This could be a bad tangent that leads to hard feelings and a bunch of bickering. Better to move on ......

 

[JumpOnBoard]

Will this thread be closed?

Yes -330
No +130

Yes seems to be the biggest play on the board?


But no has a shot if the black QB debate ended with VK's warning..

If not....

 

[orange&white]

VY is not a bad qb. Would like to see what pther qb's in the league would do with that wr group. He is a winner.... he was a winner in hgih school where his school overachieved , he was a winner in college where he led his team to a win over the espn proclaimed and self proclaimed "greatest team of all time " and he has been nothing but a winner as a starter in the nfl.

I tend to agree with both the stances on VY and his playing style in the nfl. if i am the titans i would let him play his game , play to his strengths. I also agree with nawlins that this likely means he will get hurt and it means he will likely have a shorter career. But i don't think he should have been drafted that high if the plan was to make him a pure pocket passer a la peyton manning. Let vince be vince on the field and if he goes down , bring in the backup.

Was someone trying to argue above that leinart has been a better nfl qb than young ?? wow. put vy with fitzgerald and boldin and after he is done having an orgasm with actually seeing talented nfl caliber recievers wearing the same colored jersey, he will light up the scoreboard.

The guy was mad and/or upset and was worried about his knee exam and yada yada yada ..... it was much to do about nothing.

Also want to point out that i cant believe we are still doing the bullshit black qb thing,..... VY is a CLASS act and should never be referred to indirectly as thuggish.

Most dominant college player i have ever seen and a decent nfl qb to this point in his relatively young career. The guy is a winner and a stand up individual and deserves to be treated as such.

I like Vince and hope he does well, but I've watched every single Titans game since he has been there and most of the time they have won inspite of Vince, not because of him. If people would really notice, this team is just about as good as any other team in the league in defense and the running game. All they need is a sevicable passing game and they have a legitimate chance at a Super Bowl. Some of the blame goes on the receivers, some on Chow last year, but most goes on Vince and his inability to make good decisions and his inablitly to make accuarate throws. The team is better with Collins at QB.

 

[orange&white]

Statements like this are what got Rush Limbaugh kicked off ESPN. What does being black have anything to do with this? Tru already took care of this but ill add more. You are obviously very ignorant when it comes to a lot of things in sports and life by the looks of it.

Vick - Brought the Falcons out of shitiness and took them to the playoffs, beat the Packers in Green Bay in the playoffs - first time ever. As soon as he left this team went to shit, this team was nothing without Vick. He was the team in other words. Youve bashed him for his play, but the guy was a good football player and there is nothing that you can say to prove otherwise. Micheal Vick made the Falcons

Russell - I laughed at this last night, you obviously know very little about him. He has one of the strongest arm's in the NFL and he is very young, one of the youngest QB's in the league, he has 2 starts under his belt, and he is 21 years old and you have thrown him under the bus as a bust? I can only imagine next week when the Raiders beat the Chiefs next week you will talking about him like god.

Vince Young - The guy obviously has issues, but that doesnt change the fact that he made the pro bowl as a rookie. Took his team to the playoffs on a miracle run after they had a terrible start. nearly took his team to the playoffs last year. And led his team to a victory last week. I dont know Vince Young personally but this guy seems like a nice guy that has a few things he needs to care of and thats it, it happens to a lot of people everyday, just he is in the spotlight

Chad Johnson - What has Chad Johnson done in his career? A lot more then a lot of other people. I hate the guy more then anyone in the NFL, no way around it, he is a very good WR

Mcnabb - you didnt bring him up, but hes a black QB that has had an excellent career

Gerrard - has potential

Your statements are baseless and stupid, theres no reason to say what you said about vince young, you know nothing about him personally.

I agree with all your post, but just letting you know the Titans made the playoffs last year but missed out on the last game of the season in Vince's rookie year.

 

[RetroVK]

I like Vince and hope he does well, but I've watched every single Titans game since he has been there and most of the time they have won inspite of Vince, not because of him. If people would really notice, this team is just about as good as any other team in the league in defense and the running game. All they need is a sevicable passing game and they have a legitimate chance at a Super Bowl. Some of the blame goes on the receivers, some on Chow, but most goes on Vince and his inability to make good decisions and his inablitly to make accuarate throws. The team is better with Collins at QB.

I agree with some of this. The Titans when i have watched them ( admittedly not as many times as i would like to ) are very good run blockers and a really really good defense ( my fantasy football defense no less go titans ). But i dont think that line pass blocks particularly well and young is often forced to throw on the run or back peddling. This is when you see commentators talk about his mechanics ( which arent good to begin with ) when he throws. He appears more inaccurate because he has tighter windows to throw the ball into because those receivers do not get separation. Does young have some accuracy issues ? yes. Does he have the strongest arm ? no. But his mobility is important to them. Hard to get into a throwing rhythm with as little as they pass , and they tend to only pas in obvious passing downs which makes it harder too.

I have been a raider fan since 1976 , and i know about collins.... be careful what you wish for out there in tennessee. He will get you more big plays in the passing game but they will come at a price.

 

[~Utah]

I dont know why, but I think that Russell has the potential to be one of the best QB's in the league. I know he looked bad last night but I thought a lot had to do with

A) His receivers being terrible
B) The line being terrible
C) The play calling


Anyway, good luck to Vince Young, this should have never turned into a black or white issue. He is a human like the rest of us

 

[orange&white]

I agree with some of this. The Titans when i have watched them ( admittedly not as many times as i would like to ) are very good run blockers and a really really good defense ( my fantasy football defense no less go titans ). But i dont think that line pass blocks particularly well and young is often forced to throw on the run or back peddling. This is when you see commentators talk about his mechanics ( which arent good to begin with ) when he throws. He appears more inaccurate because he has tighter windows to throw the ball into because those receivers do not get separation. Does young have some accuracy issues ? yes. Does he have the strongest arm ? no. But his mobility is important to them. Hard to get into a throwing rhythm with as little as they pass , and they tend to only pas in obvious passing downs which makes it harder too.

I have been a raider fan since 1976 , and i know about collins.... be careful what you wish for out there in tennessee. He will get you more big plays in the passing game but they will come at a price.

I don't think Collins will be asked to do what he was asked to do with the Raiders though. The Titans won't be doing retarded 7 steps drops and throwing 18 yard comeback routes like the Raiders were doing a couple of years ago. I was a huge Raiders fan before Tennessee got its own team and they are still my second favorite team, but since the Titans moved to Nashville I switched over to the Titans being who I watch every Sunday. I will say when Kerry started his few games last year and came off the bench the Titans moved the ball so much better and put up so many more points. I guess only time will tell, but for a team that is put together like the Titans are now I like Collins better. Problem is if you sit Vince now you likely lose him forever.

 

[RetroVK]

I am admittedly biased on this one ... as i am a huge longhorn fan and love vy for winning me a ton of money in 2005. Also love him for giving me a very unlikely win in a game against okie st ... maybe my favorite win ever in cfb betting.

 

[MusicCityGambler]

VY is not a bad qb. Would like to see what pther qb's in the league would do with that wr group. He is a winner.... he was a winner in hgih school where his school overachieved , he was a winner in college where he led his team to a win over the espn proclaimed and self proclaimed "greatest team of all time " and he has been nothing but a winner as a starter in the nfl.

I tend to agree with both the stances on VY and his playing style in the nfl. if i am the titans i would let him play his game , play to his strengths. I also agree with nawlins that this likely means he will get hurt and it means he will likely have a shorter career. But i don't think he should have been drafted that high if the plan was to make him a pure pocket passer a la peyton manning. Let vince be vince on the field and if he goes down , bring in the backup.

Was someone trying to argue above that leinart has been a better nfl qb than young ?? wow. put vy with fitzgerald and boldin and after he is done having an orgasm with actually seeing talented nfl caliber recievers wearing the same colored jersey, he will light up the scoreboard.

The guy was mad and/or upset and was worried about his knee exam and yada yada yada ..... it was much to do about nothing.

Also want to point out that i cant believe we are still doing the bullshit black qb thing,..... VY is a CLASS act and should never be referred to indirectly as thuggish.

Most dominant college player i have ever seen and a decent nfl qb to this point in his relatively young career. The guy is a winner and a stand up individual and deserves to be treated as such.

One of the best and accurate posts I've seen on this site. Good job kyle.

 

[orange&white]

I am admittedly biased on this one ... as i am a huge longhorn fan and love vy for winning me a ton of money in 2005. Also love him for giving me a very unlikely win in a game against okie st ... maybe my favorite win ever in cfb betting.

I think VY has the ability to be a good NFL QB. However, he can't handle adversity worth a damn and that doesn't translate to being a NFL QB. THe question is whether or not he can ever learn to become mature enough to let the bad plays go and learn from his mistakes. So far he has shown zero ability to do this and this what hurts more than any mechanical problems imo. I really think the guy needs a sports psychologist or someone to help not waste this opportunity. He is at at crossroads in his career already in year three. I hope he makes, but I have to say I'm very very skeptical. It does take young QB's a lot longer than people realize and I think its hilarious how fast these guys get thrown under bus now, but its more his actions, mannerisms, and words that rub people the wrong way. As I said I hope he makes it, and shouldn't have anything to worry about yet. Lord knows Fisher has had his back the whole way.

 

[brewer]

Im considered picking up Justin Gage now that Vince is out. Dunno tho.

 

[SHSUHorn]

I feel like I'm on Covers again during his sophomore season for the cries for him to move to WR. That turned out to be a great idea.

The bottom line is VY needs to get tougher skin if he is going to last in the NFL. He let's the critics get to him. After his freshman season at Texas all the critics were there in the media (and you guys) that he couldn't throw and needed to move to WR.

The start of his sophomore season it seemed he wanted to prove he could pass and he hardly ran the ball. After the shutout from OU and horrible game vs Mizzu where he once agin stayed in the pocket all day he told the coaches to move to WR and let someone else play QB. They showed him highlights of his HS and freshman season at Texas and decided to let him run more.

Texas for the next year and a half had one of the greatest offenses in the history of college football and he never lost another game.

The bottom line is he needs to run to be any kind of weapon. That's what he did his rookie year and made it to the Pro Bowl and won ROY. Now one season and one game later he is a bust?

I watched the entire Titans game on Tivo and only ONE single time did he even try to run out of the pocket. I'm not sure why this is happening.

Reportedly the big beef between Chow and Fisher was Chow wanted VY to stay in the pocket while Fisher wanted him to tuck it and run.

I don't know if Vince is trying to prove he's a pocket passer again or what but he needs to quit fooling himself and just go play his ball.

I'm not sure if he doesn't like playing/running with injuries (quad all year last year, and now hamstring last week) since I don't think he was ever hurt in HS or college.

Bottom line suck it up if your hurt, quit crying if the fans boo you, don't listen to critics who say you can't throw, just go back to what you did at Texas and your ROY season....

FUCKIN RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SHSUHorn]

Not making excuses but it would also help to have one, just one, WR in the top 50 of WRs in the NFL.

The top 4 QBs in this league have the top 4 WRs in all of football to throw to.

The WRs get no separation and make no explosive plays on offense. That isn't a good combo with a QB that isn't the most accurate QB around.

Where would top Titans WR Gage sit on the depth chart with the healthy Cowboys WRs, or Patriots, or Colts, or Bengals, or Eagles, or Giants, etc...

All this talk in the offseason was the improvement of Roydell Williams and Mike Williams. Both were cut in training camp and they were #2 and #3 going into the season behind Gage.

Please name me a worse WR corp then the Titans in the last 10 years that wasn't an expansion team?

 

[orange&white]

I feel like I'm on Covers again during his sophomore season for the cries for him to move to WR. That turned out to be a great idea.

The bottom line is VY needs to get tougher skin if he is going to last in the NFL. He let's the critics get to him. After his freshman season at Texas all the critics were there in the media (and you guys) that he couldn't throw and needed to move to WR.

The start of his sophomore season it seemed he wanted to prove he could pass and he hardly ran the ball. After the shutout from OU and horrible game vs Mizzu where he once agin stayed in the pocket all day he told the coaches to move to WR and let someone else play QB. They showed him highlights of his HS and freshman season at Texas and decided to let him run more.

Texas for the next year and a half had one of the greatest offenses in the history of college football and he never lost another game.

The bottom line is he needs to run to be any kind of weapon. That's what he did his rookie year and made it to the Pro Bowl and won ROY. Now one season and one game later he is a bust?

I watched the entire Titans game on Tivo and only ONE single time did he even try to run out of the pocket. I'm not sure why this is happening.

Reportedly the big beef between Chow and Fisher was Chow wanted VY to stay in the pocket while Fisher wanted him to tuck it and run.

I don't know if Vince is trying to prove he's a pocket passer again or what but he needs to quit fooling himself and just go play his ball.

I'm not sure if he doesn't like playing/running with injuries (quad all year last year, and now hamstring last week) since I don't think he was ever hurt in HS or college.

Bottom line suck it up if your hurt, quit crying if the fans boo you, don't listen to critics who say you can't throw, just go back to what you did at Texas and your ROY season....

FUCKIN RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great post and I agree with everything you said.

 

[orange&white]

Not making excuses but it would also help to have one, just one, WR in the top 50 of WRs in the NFL.

The top 4 QBs in this league have the top 4 WRs in all of football to throw to.

The WRs get no separation and make no explosive plays on offense. That isn't a good combo with a QB that isn't the most accurate QB around.

Where would top Titans WR Gage sit on the depth chart with the healthy Cowboys WRs, or Patriots, or Colts, or Bengals, or Eagles, or Giants, etc...

All this talk in the offseason was the improvement of Roydell Williams and Mike Williams. Both were cut in training camp and they were #2 and #3 going into the season behind Gage.

Please name me a worse WR corp then the Titans in the last 10 years that wasn't an expansion team?

I think Gage would be really solid if he hasn't had Grossman and Young throwing to him all his career, but that is a chicken and the egg argument. No winner there. The Titans WR's aren't good, but when Collins comes they have looked a lot better for whatever reason. Gage, Scaife, Crumpler, and Johnson aren't bad weapons. Not great, but not bad. . McCarriens is terrible. Brandon Jones just shows flashes. Paul Williams should be cut. Byron Ealy is a practice squad type guy.

 

[footballjunkie]

I'm always surprised when a big name receiver is rumored to be traded (Boldin, Roy Williams, Ocho Cinco) and the Titans are never one of the teams rumored to be even interested