Videos Re Chiefs Favorable Refs

Inspekdah said:
Dude there's context outside of these still frames.

The first was not a penalty at all and the 2nd Mahomes in such scumbag fashion sought it out and slid into the guy after prancing around.
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In the second one the two players got caught wanting to lay the wood rather than just making sure he went down. They were typical meathead defenders.
 
Gandolf said:
You get to see it from the angle of the ref that threw the flag. From his position it was understandable why he threw the flag. Maybe not correct, but he sees the helmet coming in high.
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Nobody is saying that the refs are throwing flags out of thin air. A lot of plays can look at least a little like there‘s some sort of tackling infraction or holding. The whole point is that it‘s apparent that they‘re looking to favor the Chiefs. It adds up. They repeatedly win games from calls and don’t lose any from calls.

I still want to know when the refs ever cost KC a game (post Brady) and also if any other team has ever gotten a do-over on third down (Bengals game)?
 
VirginiaCavs said:
I would say it‘s more reason than eyes. Your eyes can nit-pick every call or non-call. But overall it adds up to something distinct. The Chiefs are treated differently, favorably, just like Brady-led New England
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True, but I don't remember many crazy penalties that happened for Brady like these calls on third down, rz, personal fouls etc. Pats were a lucky team a lot but it didn't really have to do with the refs iirc.
 
Soooooooo....KC is getting calls via the League? Please explain how this would work...is the Commish himself stepping in and advocating the officials to be pro-Chiefs? NBA... Jordan and Magic got calls left and right, esp after they achieved success. It's human nature from the refs to give established superstars calls, esp at home....I don't deny the Chiefs get favorable calls but any notion that this is some conspiracy to push KC forward is just stupid.
 
HUNT said:
True, but I don't remember many crazy penalties that happened for Brady like these calls on third down, rz, personal fouls etc. Pats were a lucky team a lot but it didn't really have to do with the refs iirc.
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Oh man watch the end of the first half of Pats/Jags AFC Championship Game. They literally march Brady down the field, it's pathetic. And the second half is even worse when they call Myles Jack back while he's on his way to a touchdown and wait til Jax converts a first down to call a pre-snap penalty.

I think messing with downs is a common tactic. Jax had to do first down again. Chiefs got a do-over on third down against the Bengals.

But there's also the tuck rule, and I though there was some BS in a game against the Chiefs having to do with roughing maybe. So long ago.
 
HUNT said:
True, but I don't remember many crazy penalties that happened for Brady like these calls on third down, rz, personal fouls etc. Pats were a lucky team a lot but it didn't really have to do with the refs iirc.
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Dont remember which games exactly but I do recall one playoff game where they got stuffed on 4th and goal. Refs throw 15 yd flag BS get a new set of downs to punch it in. Also the game where NE would have turned it over on downs around the 15 so Brady go does down writhing in pain and looks over at ref who then decides to throw a phantom flag it was so comical bc no one was within 3 yards of Brady. New set of downs...TD.. rest is history.
 
VirginiaCavs said:
I‘m told that the refs are just bad. They just always happen to favor the Chiefs
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This is true though. Officiating in the NFL is fucking horrible, and it’s horrible across the board. The thing is, the Chiefs are really good and are on National TV a bunch and they are in the playoffs and seemingly the SB every year, so their games get watched by more people than say the TB Bucs or whatever. These calls are just magnified because they’re seen by more eyes.

The same exact thing, like you could probably find posts/tweets/quotes about the Patriots and Tom Brady during their dynasty run.

Do we really think it just so happens the officials are on the side of the team who wins the most at the time and not simply realize that ALL officiating is horrible and the Chiefs (and Pats before) are simply seen more and play bigger games so the tension by fans is up and they need something to blame?
 
HUNT said:
True, but I don't remember many crazy penalties that happened for Brady like these calls on third down, rz, personal fouls etc. Pats were a lucky team a lot but it didn't really have to do with the refs iirc.
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They happened. Probably the same as with the Chiefs as NFL officiating is still fucking horrible. You are either not remembering like you said, or choosing not to remember. You can probably go on this site and find multiple posts bitching about the Patriots and the officiating. You can almost definitely find the same on Twitter, YouTube or something similar.

It’s funny everyone agrees how horrible NFL officiating is, yet can’t see that as the obvious reason this is what’s happening here.
 
FSU24 said:
They happened. Probably the same as with the Chiefs as NFL officiating is still fucking horrible. You are either not remembering like you said, or choosing not to remember. You can probably go on this site and find multiple posts bitching about the Patriots and the officiating. You can almost definitely find the same on Twitter, YouTube or something similar.

It’s funny everyone agrees how horrible NFL officiating is, yet can’t see that as the obvious reason this is what’s happening here.
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The Chiefs barely win. Their point differential for their seed and win record is historically negligible. They are not a good enough team to win as much as they do. Instead, they benefit from calls like no other team does. The refs never cost them games. Ref incompetence should hurt and help different teams more or less equally if the refs are merely impartial.
 
VirginiaCavs said:
I think Lakers/Kings was 2002 where Tim Donaghy reffed and said NBA told officials to favor the Lakers
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Correct. 2002 was the year. And while Donaghy did say that, he wasn’t actually on that officiating crew, so there’s always a chance he was just saying that as to lessen what he personally did and make it sound like it was a more widespread problem at the time.
 
VirginiaCavs said:
The Chiefs barely win. Their point differential for their seed and win record is historically negligible. They are not a good enough team to win as much as they do. Instead, they benefit from calls like no other team does. The refs never cost them games. Ref incompetence should hurt and help different teams more or less equally if the refs are merely impartial.
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But they haven’t always “barely won” during their dynasty run and there have always been complaints about the officiating.

It’s the officiating WAY more than it is anyone playing favorites. Again, look back in history, the team who wins the most, who win multiple titles, people are ALWAYS complaining about the officiating.

If you watch back the Bills/Chiefs game from this year, a few favorable calls were made that benefitted the Bills. Do you think Bills fans saw this for what it was (bad officiating), or do you think they still will hang on to the one bad call that may have gone the Chiefs way?

Hell, the Bills got a HUGE PI call against White from the Ravens that was not really even close to PI (could have been on the WR if we’re being honest)…and it was a 30+ yard penalty…they won the game by 2. Should people be up in arms and pointing to that call saying the league wanted the Bills to win? Of course not, it’s just horrible, atrocious, awful officiating.
 
FSU24 said:
This is true though. Officiating in the NFL is fucking horrible, and it’s horrible across the board. The thing is, the Chiefs are really good and are on National TV a bunch and they are in the playoffs and seemingly the SB every year, so their games get watched by more people than say the TB Bucs or whatever. These calls are just magnified because they’re seen by more eyes.

The same exact thing, like you could probably find posts/tweets/quotes about the Patriots and Tom Brady during their dynasty run.

Do we really think it just so happens the officials are on the side of the team who wins the most at the time and not simply realize that ALL officiating is horrible and the Chiefs (and Pats before) are simply seen more and play bigger games so the tension by fans is up and they need something to blame?
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Let's just find one important game where they got fucked then.
 
2002 wasn't really Donoghy thing -- that was the NBA doing it's going -- totally separate

Nets and Kings Finals was a disaster for them potentially
 
cubsker said:
Let's just find one important game where they got fucked then.
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I wouldn’t even know where to start, but the regular season game vs the Bills may be a good one to start with. There were at least 2-3 calls/non-calls that went the Bills way that day. And it was a 2 pt game until Allen made that incredible TD run (which there was a hold on that wasn’t called if I’m remembering it correctly).

I’m not defending the Chiefs at all, I’m just pointing out that EVERYONE knows the officiating in the NFL is fucking horrible yet somehow forget that huge point (that’s been harped on for 15+ years) every time a team goes on a dynasty run. It’s just funny to me is all.

Of the 4 major sports, the NFL officiating is BY FAR the worst, it’s not even remotely close.
 
B.A.R. said:
2002 wasn't really Donoghy thing -- that was the NBA doing it's going -- totally separate

Nets and Kings Finals was a disaster for them potentially
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That’s what I mentioned. But Donaghy DID make comments about that series and said the league intervened. I think he was just covering his ass in a way, but that series was insane.
 
cubsker said:
Let's just find one important game where they got fucked then.
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Penalties for the regular season game KC vs BUF…KC 6 for 57, BUF 3 for 24 (one of them an intentional delay of game on a punt situation, one of them was an offsetting penalty), so the Bills had one penalty in the game essentially, which was a PI call on a 1st and goal from the 5 for the Chiefs.

This obviously wont tell the whole story as there were missed calls, etc. For some reason I feel there was a RTP call against Allen that was laughable. There were also 2 penalties on 3rd downs against the Chiefs on 2 of Buffalo’s TD drives. One was a long PI call on 3rd and long, the other defensive holding on another 3rd and long.

As much as Mahomes rightfully gets shit for flopping, Josh Allen does the same thing just as much. He’s ALWAYS looking for the call, just as most QBs seem to be doing these days.
 
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Just noticed rewatching that the other ref should have been allowed to spot the ball. Allen turned towards him, so he's the only one that can see where the ball was. Instead, the ref that's closer makes the call when he has no idea where the ball was and spots it in a place that just isn't even possible for Allen to have been.
 
cubsker said:
Just noticed rewatching that the other ref should have been allowed to spot the ball. Allen turned towards him, so he's the only one that can see where the ball was. Instead, the ref that's closer makes the call when he has no idea where the ball was and spots it in a place that just isn't even possible for Allen to have been.
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The ref on the side of the field where the ball is down has the spot, not the ref on the opposite side of the field. That didn't happen. Imagine that.
 
FSU24 said:
Penalties for the regular season game KC vs BUF…KC 6 for 57, BUF 3 for 24 (one of them an intentional delay of game on a punt situation, one of them was an offsetting penalty), so the Bills had one penalty in the game essentially, which was a PI call on a 1st and goal from the 5 for the Chiefs.

This obviously wont tell the whole story as there were missed calls, etc. For some reason I feel there was a RTP call against Allen that was laughable. There were also 2 penalties on 3rd downs against the Chiefs on 2 of Buffalo’s TD drives. One was a long PI call on 3rd and long, the other defensive holding on another 3rd and long.

As much as Mahomes rightfully gets shit for flopping, Josh Allen does the same thing just as much. He’s ALWAYS looking for the call, just as most QBs seem to be doing these days.
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Like I been saying the shit rules begging to be exploited of course the best guys gonna do it as much as possible if they trying to win. Forget the “flopping and begging for calls”
The stuff mahomes does on sideline is impossible for defenders to win, they either hit him to make sure he out and get a flag or risk him tiptoeing 15-20 more yards while they standing there looking stupid. If nfl won’t change it then defenders should just say fuck it and try to take him apart with biggest nastiest hits they can muster on sideline and that late slide bs, take the penalties 3-4 times in a row and try to knock his ass out or break his will to do that shit! Sometimes it takes extreme measures to get justice!!
 
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