Tuesday MLB Discussion/Thoughts

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<table class="matchupBox" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="bannerTxt">MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL - May 06 </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="bannerTxt">NATIONAL LEAGUE </td></tr><tr class="oddRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>4:05 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">901</td><td class="teamsBox">SFO GIANTS, Pitcher: J SANCHEZ-L</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733255_5_0_1.5_-210_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-210 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733255_5_2_-8_-110_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o8-110 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733255_5_4_0_-110_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-110</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">902</td><td class="teamsBox">PIT PIRATES, Pitcher: Z DUKE-L</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733255_5_1_-1.5_180_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+180 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733255_5_3_8_-110_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u8-110 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733255_5_5_0_-110_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-110</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr class="evenRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>4:10 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">903</td><td class="teamsBox">SDG PADRES, Pitcher: C YOUNG-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733256_5_0_1.5_-170_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-170 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733256_5_2_-9_100_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o9EV </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733256_5_4_0_125_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+125</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">904</td><td class="teamsBox">ATL BRAVES, Pitcher: J JURRJENS-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733256_5_1_-1.5_150_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+150 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733256_5_3_9_-120_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u9-120 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733256_5_5_0_-145_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-145</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr class="oddRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>4:10 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">905</td><td class="teamsBox">MIL BREWERS, Pitcher: J SUPPAN-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733257_5_0_1.5_-200_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-200 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733257_5_2_-9_-120_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o9-120 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733257_5_4_0_105_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+105</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">906</td><td class="teamsBox">FLA MARLINS, Pitcher: S OLSEN-L</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733257_5_1_-1.5_170_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+170 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733257_5_3_9_100_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u9EV </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733257_5_5_0_-125_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-125</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr class="evenRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>4:10 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">907</td><td class="teamsBox">CHI CUBS, Pitcher: C ZAMBRANO-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733258_5_0_-1.5_135_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+135 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733258_5_2_-8_-110_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o8-110 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733258_5_4_0_-125_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-125</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">908</td><td class="teamsBox">CIN REDS, Pitcher: A HARANG-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733258_5_1_1.5_-155_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-155 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733258_5_3_8_-110_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u8-110 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733258_5_5_0_105_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+105</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr class="oddRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>5:05 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">909</td><td class="teamsBox">WAS NATIONALS, Pitcher: S HILL-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733259_5_0_1.5_-170_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-170 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733259_5_2_-9_-110_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o9-110 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733259_5_4_0_125_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+125</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">910</td><td class="teamsBox">HOU ASTROS, Pitcher: S CHACON-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733259_5_1_-1.5_150_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+150 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733259_5_3_9_-110_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u9-110 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733259_5_5_0_-145_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-145</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr class="evenRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>5:35 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">911</td><td class="teamsBox">STL CARDINALS, Pitcher: B LOOPER-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733260_5_0_-1.5_130_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+130 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733260_5_2_-10.5_-125_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o10½-125 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733260_5_4_0_-125_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-125</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">912</td><td class="teamsBox">COL ROCKIES, Pitcher: M REDMAN-L</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733260_5_1_1.5_-150_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-150 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733260_5_3_10.5_105_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u10½+105 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733260_5_5_0_105_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+105</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr class="oddRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>6:40 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">913</td><td class="teamsBox">PHI PHILLIES, Pitcher: A EATON-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733261_5_0_1.5_-165_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-165 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733261_5_2_-10_-105_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o10-105 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733261_5_4_0_120_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+120</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">914</td><td class="teamsBox">ARZ D-BACKS, Pitcher: R JOHNSON-L</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733261_5_1_-1.5_145_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+145 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733261_5_3_10_-115_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u10-115 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733261_5_5_0_-140_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-140</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr class="evenRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>7:10 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">915</td><td class="teamsBox">NY METS, Pitcher: N FIGUEROA-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733262_5_0_1.5_-195_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-195 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733262_5_2_-9_105_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o9+105 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733262_5_4_0_110_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+110</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">916</td><td class="teamsBox">LA DODGERS, Pitcher: H KURODA-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733262_5_1_-1.5_165_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+165 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733262_5_3_9_-125_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u9-125 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733262_5_5_0_-130_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-130</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="bannerTxt">AMERICAN LEAGUE </td></tr><tr class="evenRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>4:05 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">917</td><td class="teamsBox">BOS RED SOX, Pitcher: WAKEFIELD-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733263_5_0_-1.5_145_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+145 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733263_5_2_-10_-105_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o10-105 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733263_5_4_0_-115_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-115</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">918</td><td class="teamsBox">DET TIGERS, Pitcher: ROBERTSON-L</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733263_5_1_1.5_-165_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-165 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733263_5_3_10_-115_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u10-115 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733263_5_5_0_-105_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-105</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr class="oddRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>4:05 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">919</td><td class="teamsBox">CLE INDIANS, Pitcher: F CARMONA-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733264_5_0_1.5_-190_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-190 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733264_5_2_-8.5_-110_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o8½-110 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733264_5_4_0_114_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+114</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">920</td><td class="teamsBox">NY YANKEES, Pitcher: A PETTITTE-L</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733264_5_1_-1.5_160_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+160 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733264_5_3_8.5_-110_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u8½-110 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733264_5_5_0_-134_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-134</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr class="evenRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>4:05 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">921</td><td class="teamsBox">TAM RAYS, Pitcher: SONNANSTINE-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733265_5_0_1.5_-165_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-165 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733265_5_2_-8.5_100_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o8½EV </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733265_5_4_0_125_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+125</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">922</td><td class="teamsBox">TOR B-JAYS, Pitcher: A BURNETT-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733265_5_1_-1.5_145_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+145 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733265_5_3_8.5_-120_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u8½-120 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733265_5_5_0_-145_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-145</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr class="oddRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>5:10 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">923</td><td class="teamsBox">MIN TWINS, Pitcher: N BLACKBURN-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733266_5_0_1.5_-190_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-190 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733266_5_2_-8.5_-120_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o8½-120 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733266_5_4_0_115_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+115</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">924</td><td class="teamsBox">CHI W SOX, Pitcher: G FLOYD-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733266_5_1_-1.5_160_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+160 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733266_5_3_8.5_100_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u8½EV </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733266_5_5_0_-135_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-135</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr class="evenRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>5:10 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">925</td><td class="teamsBox">LA ANGELS, Pitcher: N ADENHART-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733267_5_0_1.5_-175_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-175 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733267_5_2_-9_-110_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o9-110 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733267_5_4_0_115_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+115</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">926</td><td class="teamsBox">KAN ROYALS, Pitcher: B BANNISTER-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733267_5_1_-1.5_155_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+155 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733267_5_3_9_-110_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u9-110 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733267_5_5_0_-135_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-135</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr class="oddRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>7:05 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">927</td><td class="teamsBox">BAL ORIOLES, Pitcher: B BURRES-L</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733268_5_0_1.5_-190_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-190 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733268_5_2_-8.5_100_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o8½EV </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733268_5_4_0_107_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+107</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">928</td><td class="teamsBox">OAK A’S, Pitcher: DUCHSHERER-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733268_5_1_-1.5_160_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+160 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733268_5_3_8.5_-120_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u8½-120 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733268_5_5_0_-127_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-127</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr class="evenRow"><td class="timeBox"><small>7:10 PM</small></td><td class="linesBox"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="rotationBox">929</td><td class="teamsBox">TEX RANGERS, Pitcher: S PONSON-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733269_5_0_1.5_-175_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+1½-175 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733269_5_2_-9.5_105_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">o9½+105 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733269_5_4_0_119_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">+119</td></tr><tr><td class="rotationBox">930</td><td class="teamsBox">SEA MARINERS, Pitcher: M BATISTA-R</td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733269_5_1_-1.5_155_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-1½+155 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733269_5_3_9.5_-125_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">u9½-125 </td><td class="oddsBox"><input name="game" value="733269_5_5_0_-139_MLB" class="chkbox" type="checkbox">-139</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>
<table bordercolor="#cccccc" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#ff0000"><td colspan="3" class="sports-label">Tuesday, May 6</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3" class="small-copy-sans" bgcolor="#ffdccb"> American League </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans" bgcolor="#ffdccb">Time</td> <td class="small-copy-sans" bgcolor="#ffdccb">Game</td> <td class="small-copy-sans" bgcolor="#ffdccb">Starters</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 7:05 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Cleveland at NY Yankees
Home Plate Umpire: N/A</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Fausto Carmona
N/A
Bullpen Availability </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 7:05 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Boston at Detroit
Home Plate Umpire: Fieldin Culbreth
</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Tim Wakefield
Nate Robertson
Bullpen Availability </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 7:07 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Tampa Bay at Toronto
Home Plate Umpire: N/A</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Andy Sonnanstine
A.J. Burnett
Bullpen Availability </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 8:10 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> LA Angels at Kansas City
Home Plate Umpire: Mike Everitt
</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Nick Adenhart
Brian Bannister
Bullpen Availability </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 8:11 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Minnesota at Chi. White Sox
Home Plate Umpire: N/A</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Nick Blackburn
Gavin Floyd
Bullpen Availability </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 10:05 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Baltimore at Oakland
Home Plate Umpire: CB Bucknor
</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Brian Burres
Justin Duchscherer
Bullpen Availability </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 10:10 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Texas at Seattle
Home Plate Umpire: Chad Fairchild
</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Sidney Ponson
Miguel Batista
Bullpen Availability </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3" class="small-copy-sans" bgcolor="#ffdccb"> National League </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans" bgcolor="#ffdccb">Time</td> <td class="small-copy-sans" bgcolor="#ffdccb">Game</td> <td class="small-copy-sans" bgcolor="#ffdccb">Starters</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 7:05 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> San Francisco at Pittsburgh
Home Plate Umpire: N/A</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Jonathan Sanchez
Zach Duke
Bullpen Availability </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 7:10 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> San Diego at Atlanta
Home Plate Umpire: N/A</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Chris Young
Jair Jurrjens
Bullpen Availability </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 7:10 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Milwaukee at Florida
Home Plate Umpire: N/A</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Jeff Suppan
Scott Olsen
Bullpen Availability </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 7:10 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Chi. Cubs at Cincinnati
Home Plate Umpire: Chuck Meriwether
</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Carlos Zambrano
Aaron Harang
Bullpen Availability </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 8:05 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Washington at Houston
Home Plate Umpire: N/A</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Shawn Hill
Shawn Chacon
Bullpen Availability </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 8:35 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> St. Louis at Colorado
Home Plate Umpire: Alfonso Marquez
</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Braden Looper
Mark Redman
Bullpen Availability </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 9:40 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Philadelphia at Arizona
Home Plate Umpire: Bill Miller
</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Adam Eaton
Randy Johnson
Bullpen Availability </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="small-copy-sans"> 10:10 PM ET </td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> NY Mets at LA Dodgers
Home Plate Umpire: Tim Tschida
</td> <td class="small-copy-sans"> Nelson Figueroa
Hiroki Kuroda
Bullpen Availability</td></tr></tbody></table>

Stalking the remaining umps, just copied the umps from Shortline's thread who did not ump @ home today, so all credit due to him.

Dale Scott - 1B in CHW/TOR yesterday
Dana Demuth
Wally Bell - Good UN
Brian O'Nora
Gerry Davis - Honorary
Marty Foster - Clubber
Jim Wolf
Marcin Hudson
Brian Runge - Clubber
 
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like CLE/NYY under.. both have anemic offenses with good pitching.. Yankees with rested pen.. need to see the ump first though.
 
yeah true , i had similar thoughts. need the ump though cause carmona is a walkaholic at times and doesnt give in to the strike zone.
 
nothing jumps out at me... ill have to look more in depth later, im exhausted. good thing they are all late starts.
 
lookin at KC.....STL....bosox...under in SD/ATL (I'm sure we'll probably see 8.5 come tomorrow, may lock in on that one shortly)....

seems like there is a good value in the rays at +125...sonnanstine has really improved this year and is really coming around. i remember fading him almost every game last season, he was horrible. and his first 2 outings this season followed suit, against seattle and yanks, but he's had a solid last 3 outings, and last time burnett faced tampa he was shelled for 7 ER and 8 hits in 5.2 IP.
sonnanstine is a young kid and really is coming around, he has excellent control, and as long as he can stay ahead of the count he's shown he can be a force to reckon with.
both teams hit RHP much better then LHP.
 
Suppan isn't as bad as his era looks. He got torched by the Cubs as more than a few have this year. Otherwise his era is darn respectable.....
 
Sonnanstine pitched 12.0 inns last season in Toronto giving up 15 baserunners & 10 ERs (7.49 ERA). Toronto on the road is a different offensive beast than at home, so his recent start vs the Jays (6.1 inns, 3 ER - 4.26 ERA) doesnt mean a helluva lot here.

Why have I bothered to find that out? because while Toronto may bring a 9 game Under streak into this contest vs Tampa, the interesting part is this

TBY in G 1s - 9-2 to Over (Unders totaled 8 & 9 runs, each going under by 1 run)
TOR in G 1s - 6-4-1 to Over (6-2-1 to Over when neither team suffers a shutout)

TBY iN G 2s/3s & 4s - 16-4 to Under
TOR in G 2s/3s & 4s - 18-3-1 to Under

So here you have 2 teams who combined are 15-6-1 to Over for Game 1 of a series, and 34-7-1 to Under for Game's 2 & beyond.

So the answer to the question which, if any, game in this TOR/TBY series is most likely to end the Jays current under streak based on the aforementioned stats?, is fairly obvious to even the most brain dead deaf, dumb & blind mute amongst us.

the fact Sonnastine licked cock that this venue very recently and the fact that burnett has been shaky in 4 of his last 5 (the only exception being vs a depleted Sox team who still managed their share of baserunners but were beaten by untimely hitting and DPs)...

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On the surface each pitcher's last start seems to pave the way for the perception that there's no reason the under train shouldn't continue to roll in Toronto.
 
beware of the soupcan hops, he's a totally different pitcher on the road then he is at home. here are his last 3 road starts

<table class="data" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr><td class="datahl2">04/30/08</td> <td class="datacell"> @ CHC</td> <td class="datacell">5-19</td> <td class="datacell">138/10</td> <td class="datacell"> L/O</td> <td class="datacell">3.2</td> <td class="datacell">11</td> <td class="datacell">11</td> <td class="datacell"> 8 </td> <td class="datacell">1</td> <td class="datacell">1</td> <td class="datacell">1</td> <td class="datacell"> 92 </td> <td class="datacell"> 25.1 </td> <td class="datacell"> 0.67</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="datahl2">
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="datahl2">04/19/08</td> <td class="datacell"> @ CIN</td> <td class="datacell">5-3</td> <td class="datacell">142/9.5</td> <td class="datacell"> W/U</td> <td class="datacell">6.2</td> <td class="datacell">3</td> <td class="datacell">2</td> <td class="datacell"> 2 </td> <td class="datacell">3</td> <td class="datacell">1</td> <td class="datacell">0</td> <td class="datacell"> 87 </td> <td class="datacell"> 13.0 </td> <td class="datacell"> 1.12</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="datahl2">04/13/08</td> <td class="datacell"> @ NYM</td> <td class="datacell">9-7</td> <td class="datacell">128/9</td> <td class="datacell"> W/O</td> <td class="datacell">4.0</td> <td class="datacell">9</td> <td class="datacell">6</td> <td class="datacell"> 6 </td> <td class="datacell">2</td> <td class="datacell">2</td> <td class="datacell">1</td> <td class="datacell"> 79 </td> <td class="datacell"> 19.8 </td> <td class="datacell"> 2.3</td></tr></tbody></table>
olsen has been excellent this year, barring his last start against the dodgers. he's 3-1 with a 2.70 ERA

he shut down the screwers in milwaukee just a week ago...giving up just 4 hits and 0 ER through 7 innnings, although he did walk 5.

also important to note, FLA hits RHP much better then LHP.
.276 vs .218
 
here's how soupcan fared against the fish last year

eff Suppan (R) Previous Starts vs. Florida

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betcrimes, i think last seasons stats are hard to judge because sonnnanstine has shown a lot of improvement since last season.
every team had good numbers against him, he was horrible.
it was his rookie season though
 
dennishopson said:
VK, I'm kicking around the under 9.5 in that Brewers/Marlins game.....:popcorn:
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Cap, thats why I was going to take the under in it......(never planned on betting the fish against him)...Just pointing out his pitching aint too shabby, except for getting lit up by Chicago once this year...

Your numbers just cemented more why I think under 9.5 is a really nice play. :shake:

Thanks..............
 
betcrimes, i think last seasons stats are hard to judge because sonnnanstine has shown a lot of improvement since last season.
every team had good numbers against him, he was horrible.
it was his rookie season though
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Jays hit better at home than away - he just pitched at home against them for a 4.26 ERA.

4.26 ERA at home this season, 7.49 ERA away last season. A little mix & mingle leaves us looking at a likely 5-6 ERA pitching away to the Jays this season. Jays only benefit by having seen him recently (a week & a half ago).
 
RHP Andy Sonnanstine has pitched his way not only into the Rays rotation but into select company. Already the first Ray to win four games in April, Sonnanstine can become the quickest to five wins in franchise history if he beats the Jays on Tueday. (Scott Kazmir got his fifth win in the Rays' 35th game in 2006). Sonnanstine is 3-0 with a 1.57 ERA over his last three starts, using his fastball primarily and being aggressive with it.

don't sleep on the Rays
 
Sonnanstine is 3-0 with a 1.57 ERA over his last three starts
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the only start of those 3 that matters here is the 1 vs the Jays (ERA 4.27), and that was a road game for the Jays, where they stink (the Jays have a 13-4 U/O road mark for a very good reason).

Toronto has a nice run of form on the board ending some bad ways (5-0 after going 1-8). If you wanted to back against the Jays, your almost a week late. Obviously I think the Rays can get some runs here, but its the same with the Jays (both teams prefer righties). I'd take Over before Tampa.
 
BetCrimes1984 said:
the only start of those 3 that matters here is the 1 vs the Jays (ERA 4.27), and that was a road game for the Jays, where they stink (the Jays have a 13-4 U/O road mark for a very good reason).

Toronto has a nice run of form on the board ending some bad ways (5-0 after going 1-8). If you wanted to back against the Jays, your almost a week late. Obviously I think the Rays can get some runs here, but its the same with the Jays (both teams prefer righties). I'd take Over before Tampa.
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Toronto's bats have been weak lately, although they find ways to win 1-0, 4-3, and such.

Oh, and backing Sonnestine is like hitting yourself in the balls for fun -- it just doesn't make sense.
 
Blue_Chip said:
Toronto's bats have been weak lately, although they find ways to win 1-0, 4-3, and such.

Oh, and backing Sonnestine is like hitting yourself in the balls for fun -- it just doesn't make sense.
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well he's been a fantasy spot starting sleeper
 
Under which I also bet might be safer. But Anaheim pretty much screwed this kid last game playing him on 3 days rest against a strong team. They certainly owe KC a beating after losing 6 straight to them last year and earlier this year. So the question comes up. Do they pay 2 debts.
They can easily lose the series tomorrow if they drop this game today. They have a rested pen, large edge in night games, excellent record (5-1) as a small road dog and are clearly the better team. Unfortunately, there seems to be a homer ump and with Bannister on a bounce back it could lose.
 
Thoughts on the CLE/NYY game..

Petitte trying to avoid his first 4 loss streak since 2005. The Yankees, coming off a sweep of the M's are being coined as "hot." They face the Indians who couldn't buy a decent run production if they were being sold 2 for 1. Carmona has a spectacular ERA of 2.6 but beneath the surface lies an atrocious 1.7 WHIP. I've watched Carmona ever since his debacle as a closer and many people say that he is bound for an implosion with the number of BBs he hands out. IMO, if he was to implode it would have already happened. I cant even begin to recall how many clutch bases loaded double plays I've seen from this guy. I am really beginning to think that his location is just that good when he's shitting a brick. Given his best performances come from day games, I see a similar Carmona pattern of base running allowance but no runs. The Yankees have perhaps been the worst 2 out hitting team this year with or without AROD. I don't see them getting to Carmona, as he is also coming off a loss and able to keep the ball down with just 1HR on the year. Only guy to homer off of him is Giambi, who is a really a fat piece of garbage in recent performance. The yankee's production has come off of 1 inning spurts and lucky Cano/Abreu home runs over the past few games. I think that is less likely tonight if Carmona is able to keep the ball down.

On Petitte's side, if you look at his splits, he starts games out hot and starts to fade after 75 or so pitched. Also noticed that most of his runs are coming off of early pitch counts. This guy needs to calm down, and I think that's exactly what he is going to do to stop his skid. The Indians aren't in any kind of offensive groove, working in Petitte's advantage. A rebound seems likely..

1st 5 under and a little bit on the game under.
 
Good stuff fellas. Decided that yesterday by doing such in depth research on some of the games( not the 1st time it happened this season) it sort of made my mind up before I did what I feel is very important and understand the little things about the line and think about why there where set they way they were ( plus factor in line movement) . I think all my losses actually came on plays I basically decided on before I went to sleep Sunday and that just never seems to work for me. Not sure why.

Read the intro thread GMan started and Vanzack brought up a book Blink by Malcolm Gladwell which was referred to me my JPicks here. Its something that I believe deeply in about the power to subconsciously make decisions in what is basically a blink or first glance that when backtested hold up better then more well processed rationalized decisions. We are trained to believe the more we know the better the decision we can make but its really not true. Just looking at something and getting that bad vibe usually turns out to be correct. Anyway a great read for anyone interested. I believe strongly in this ability is what allowed me to quickly become such a good bond trader at a fairly young age but also quickly able to understand at how to win at sports wagering . Just thought I shared this with you cause it's something that pisses me off to no end about how I lose . Just looking at a game and thinking something doesnt seem right but still go ahead and play it and watch it lose rather badly...like 2-1 in OAK never smelling the over or 1-0 in Tor never smelling the Over ...just sharing something a little more then being concerned with breaking down numbers. Any intelligent person can break down stats and come up up with the same conclusions thats why they say they public always loses because there is no skill in breaking down numbers its about understanding the little things that will lead to success . Games arent played on stat sheets and sometimes simply fading hot teams and riding cold teams is all you need to do.....

Trust me on this I HATE to LOSE more then 99.99% of people in the world . So losing pisses me off alot more then winning makes me happy. Which is probably why I am typing this today cause I feel like I had a great gasp of what to expect had I just listened to my gut. Did something similiar on Sunday with the Padres and even Tigers just ignored some warning signs and most of the rest of the day just simpled rolled with my capping and what looked right (like taking under 8.5 @ STL because it did look like everything was setting up the over) . Yesterday Lost on Det , A's over 8.5 , KC , Tor and Over Tor plays I pretty much should have avoided or kept really small just looking at how the lines closed. Games I sort of zeroed in on yesterday afternoon and evening where Cincy which I hit up big and really helped avoid a terrible day cause I had them -1.5 RL as well . Seattle , Under 8.5 LAD and pissed away a unit on parlays...anyway stinky 3-5 and lost almost 6 units which isnt terrible for me since with so much action and the terrible vig I pay using a bookie its near imposible to be down on the day and lost less then 3 units...the good was for Sunday I was +26 units...so it really was just a hiccup...thats unimportant though.....

Anyway I just wanted to share this with you guys we are all always trying to improve and find a nice level of consistency . My feeling is my weakness is ignoring what I feel are warning signs on games and pissing away money when I should know better.

With that I spent a little time away today and has me feeling more refreshed and hopefully that leads to good results...so time to get to work 2 hours to gametime !! :cheers:


Good stuff again ....have some catching up to do....

Will say beautiful day and I think the RUNS might follow tonight....
 
Petitte stat. Playing for the Yankees he has won 12 straight at home on Tuesday. 3 of those 12 wins were not quality starts.
 
Nut you won like 100 units the other day

You of all people, will be ok.:tiphat:


It was just one of those days, it happens. The important thing was you were disciplined, and didnt chase.

I would not be surprise for you to make back all your losses today, and hope you do. Good luck :cheers:
 
SportsNut, all I can say is that I feel with you buddy. I think I wrote pretty much the same reply to you at some point during the last season - I know exactly how you feel. Same problem here - ignoring my gut most of the time instead of following it, no matter the stats or what other ppl say. But as you've said, we're all here to improve (over time) so hopefully it will happen as the season goes by... BOL tonight, whatever your gut tells you to play ;D

:cheers:
 
Trueblue said:
Thoughts on the CLE/NYY game..

Petitte trying to avoid his first 4 loss streak since 2005. The Yankees, coming off a sweep of the M's are being coined as "hot." They face the Indians who couldn't buy a decent run production if they were being sold 2 for 1. Carmona has a spectacular ERA of 2.6 but beneath the surface lies an atrocious 1.7 WHIP. I've watched Carmona ever since his debacle as a closer and many people say that he is bound for an implosion with the number of BBs he hands out. IMO, if he was to implode it would have already happened. I cant even begin to recall how many clutch bases loaded double plays I've seen from this guy. I am really beginning to think that his location is just that good when he's shitting a brick. Given his best performances come from day games, I see a similar Carmona pattern of base running allowance but no runs. The Yankees have perhaps been the worst 2 out hitting team this year with or without AROD. I don't see them getting to Carmona, as he is also coming off a loss and able to keep the ball down with just 1HR on the year. Only guy to homer off of him is Giambi, who is a really a fat piece of garbage in recent performance. The yankee's production has come off of 1 inning spurts and lucky Cano/Abreu home runs over the past few games. I think that is less likely tonight if Carmona is able to keep the ball down.

On Petitte's side, if you look at his splits, he starts games out hot and starts to fade after 75 or so pitched. Also noticed that most of his runs are coming off of early pitch counts. This guy needs to calm down, and I think that's exactly what he is going to do to stop his skid. The Indians aren't in any kind of offensive groove, working in Petitte's advantage. A rebound seems likely..

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Nice stuff True.

With Pettitte coming into the season as a Yankee fan I had concerns . Mostly due to the headache the Senate hearings provided and the distraction. Had to be a stressful period for him and also had to hurt his prepration for the upcoming season. I think he was a tad late for the start of ST and as veteran guy I think he needs all the time to get his arm strength to where it should be.

So looking at his 1st start what happened? Which I think he did rush back abit quickly then he should have. He was hurt by 2 unearned runs and then in the 5th inning allowed a 3 run HR.

He then made 4 straight road starts many of which were must win spots for NYY. Anyway his 1st 3 starts were basically facing teams who weak offensively vs LHP KC , TB and Balt . Now TB has a couple bats who can do some damage but largely I dont like there lineup vs LHP. Anway he won all three pitching from solid to real solid.......6.2 Inn 5 H 1 r , 7 inn 9 H 3 r (TB) and 7 inn 4 h 0 runs . Throwing 92 ,100 and 89 pitches after 86 in the opener. Then he goes to Cle and labors in the 1st and 4th but has a 3-1 lead in the 5thinning...2 quick outs ...suddenly Hafner works him to a 2-2 count and grounds a single the other way , then Martinez works him and I beleive he grounded another single that found a hole , then he falls behind Peralta and hangs a change boom 3 run Hr ...falls behind Gutiereez and boom another HR....so in a blink his 3-1 lead is now 5-3 Tribe...what I take from that is cleary he was tired and his pitches started to flatten out but also if we look at his early pitch counts and exclue TB cause its dome control climate he seemed to be tiring around 80 ish pitches each game. Opening start the damage done in the 5th he went 86 pitches , nice job @ KC went 6.2 inn lasted 92 pitches , @ TB was 100 pitches but seem to labor in the 6th facing 6 batters only 2 hits and 1 bb though but quick 7th had to think the 6th came around that 80 pitch mark...then the struggle @ Cle finished with 99 pitches but being he faced 4 batters after Hafner again seems like he was at 80 pitches , then Det sort of cruising allowing just 1 hit through 4 innings allowed 4 runs and 6 hits in teh 5th and 6th innings finishing with 92 pitches . the 6th was his worst inning allowing 2 runs and 4 hits but saved by a DP again had to me around that 80 pitch mark......

Basically I outined this because he has allowed a HR in all 3 of his losses in the 5th inning and 9 runs. So clearly fatigue is an issue whether its his arm not being able to maintain much past 80 pitches or his body wearing down because he just didnt work out enough like he did in previous winters with the Clemens and Senate situation.

With Carmona thi syear he has control issues to some degree for sure but last year just 61 walks in 215 innings is very good..1 every 3.5 innings...and only 4 walks across 3 starts vs NYY who is notorious for working counts which they havent at times this year....

Really dont like the UNDER here because NYY bats are improving and Pettitte to me is an unknown at this point. Feel like the game is priced on the SP production in 2007 rather then 2008.

How in the world could they open this at 8 ?? It was 10.5 in Cle when Pettitte faced Byrd!! Pettitte off two tough starts and Carmona really off a couple of shaky ones himself IMO...I wouldnt sell the Yanks bats short here. Jeter has shocked me with his hitting lately , Giambi is not as bad as the numbers look dude just cant find a hole ever and because of that he presses , Cano Hr maybe breaks him out , Damon , abreu and Matsui hitting well , Melky maturing before our eyes...bottom abit weak for sure but Cle has some big bats vs LH from teh RH side just a matter if they actually do something...

Also the better the weather the better it seems NY has hit......just food for thought....GL:cheers:
 
CapNumberTwo said:
Nut you won like 100 units the other day

You of all people, will be ok.:tiphat:


It was just one of those days, it happens. The important thing was you were disciplined, and didnt chase.

I would not be surprise for you to make back all your losses today, and hope you do. Good luck :cheers:
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Thanks Cap. It's more that its a bad habit of mine that I am trying to break. I can basically look at every day especially the losing ones and see the same pattern . Not down on myself by any means other then wanting to break this habit as I feel it will lead to better consistency..

It just cuts at your profits when you give money away repeatedly and have to claw back ...not concerned so as much as I am disappointed in myself . Thats all really just thought I share it with everyone...and the money part is unfortunately very significant for me right now...

In a way its nice to see Unicorn can relate and I am sure everyone can in some sort of fashion.

GL everyone....:cheers:
 
First play is over Grand Salami Runs...

Love the beautiful weather we have today which I think really benefits the hitters. At this point of the year they will just feel so much better taking hacks when its not 40-50 degrees will actually quicken there swings up a bit and the ball will definely have little more jump to it.....

Then we have alot of low totals and alot of medicore SP on the road who I would deem untrustworthy....Suppan , Blackburn , Adenhart , Figuerora , Ponson to name a few ....Milw facing a LHP , Col home facing Looper with Redman....Zona hosting Philly....just a nice day for offense IMO.....also like that we have totals moving both ways some up and some down creating no real bias.....:cheers:
 
Going to post a dog. when have i ever done that before. The Padres lost 3-10 the other day. Greg got unlucky. Seasons not going too good. Chris on hand. Atlanta's been rocking and rolling and almost certainly winning tomorrow. Chris is pitching. Used to be a great road pitcher. Something happened. Just started losing. Won his last road game 4-2 at Phillie. Won his only start at Atlanta 4-2. Things have gotten way past critical and the team has been thinking about it over the break. This is sort of a If not now then never spot. Atlanta fat off 3 wins of which 2 were absurdly easy. Going give Chris a chance today. Nothing cute here just a ml hope and a prayer. GL
 
Not really looking at UMP info so please feel free to contrbute that ...

Over 8.5 Pitt -SF

First thing that stands is the recent improvement by both lineups vs LHP. Look at Pitt they faced 5 straight LHP and as many of us have said the should be hitting LHP when they have "sleepers" like Paulino hitting 407 last year and Sanchez like 366 after a 445 season(avgs off the top of my head PLEASE double check them for accuracy) . Plus Nady and the contributions from Doumit and McLouth who is hitting everyone. Bautista showing life , Gomez if at SS great career split svs LHP , LaRoche H'd Sunday if he plays..

They played 5 straight LHSP Santana , Oliver Perez , Odalis Perez , Lannan and Chico . They were 4 -1 over in those games . In order L4-5 , W13-1 , L2-3 , W11-4 , L8-9 . Whats real impressive is they made Santana work and had him out of the game before the 6thinning finished , Oliver Perez didnt even finish the 2nd , Odalis Perez to his credit was solid lasting 7 innings I believe but look at his starts this year especially at hom he has ben very good , Lannan who looked real tough at times shelled 3 inn 6 h 6 runs(5er) who was followed by O'Connor another LHP 3.3 Inn 3 H 4 R 3BB 3 K , Chico 4.1 Inn 8 H 5R 4 er 3bb 4K...

All these SP throw alot of pitches as Pitt worked counts , draw walks and then hits followed...

They face Sanche who has really been good so far but he does strike out alot of guys and is strapped with high pitch counts. For as good as he has been only time did he go past the 6th inning home v Cincy who doesnt hit LHP very well and only once did he complete 6 innings. So in 6 outings he needed at least 3 innings from the pen in 5 of them. Granted SF pen has been solid but most of the guys are a dropoff in stuff from Sanchez even if I like the upside of Wilson and Valdez. Both Sanchez road starts went over so far ...

Now for SFG granted the improvement is not as clear as they struggled vs Morales at home recently but they also just did a sound job vs Hamels on Sunday touchinghim for 4 runs...in 6 inn with 7 hits....

Castillo is showing some life lately , Rowand and Molina have hit all season when they have played , Aurilia seems to wakeing up as well with a 3-3 on Sunday and going from 172 to 260 in the past 8 or 9 games he has owned LHP in recent years . That gives you four bats in the middle vs LHP and maybe vets like Durham & Winn who SWH can start to contribute.

SFG:
Winn 294 away this year terribel at home
Molina is 176 vs LHP so far and only 3-28 lifetime vs Pitt but I expect him to be a tough ab regardless...
Rowand 415 away so far , 325 career vs Pitt , 421 vs LHP
Aurilia 10/21 last few games , 300 9Hr career vs Pitt , 347 1hr 28 rbi in 06 but only 240 4hr 13 rbi last year vs LHP...4-6 lifetime vs Duke
Castillo 6/15 1 hr 3 rbi last few games facing his former team

Pitt:
Sanchez showing life with 4 two hit games past 8 games and gaudy numbers past 2 years vs LHP
Doumit was on a tear for awhile 9/21 vs LHP so far with 2 hrs
Nady 9-21 last few 7 rbis , 333 8 rbi vs LHP so far
Bautista 7-15 3hr 7 rbi @ Wash this weekend
Gomez not much so far 260 avg but last 4 years as a role palyer vs LHP with usually 100abs 292, 303 ,317 , 300..and he is the 8th hitter

Not much for the SP vs the opponent...SF did hit Duke hard last year for 7 runs in 2 innings but he had been solid twice vs them in 2006. Look slike Duke has been sharper this year on 6 days rest which he doesnt have here and regardless outside of WASH has allowed alot of hits and baserunners....48 h 10bb 10 k in 35.2 inn so far but take away nats start and it was 28.2 inn 43 h...

Duke 6/16 vs SFG lineup 2 bb 0k 1hr 5 rbi 3 2doubs allowed..

RHB 331 ,363 and 310...Duke when successful tends to pitch out of jams...

Sanchez vs RH this year 245 BAA but 1.59 WHIP as all 16 o hsi walks are vs RH in 33.2 innings...so dont expect much from McLouth or LaRoche but the other 6 guys sem to have an edge...same deal last year RHB 1.81 WHIP .321 BAA but again LHB no chance this year 133BAA and 197 last year.....

so taking my chances on this over 8.5 -105 and probably over 27 RHE..:cheers:
 
Shortline said:
GL tonite guys...:cheers:

SN...I put a post (#2) in my thread just for you on the umps...
Click to expand...


Thanks Short . Going to read it now...again scrambling and really couldnt do much with seing who was behind the dish in the 7 pm starts...


As I said Played the OVER GS 142 runs already and basically followed that with alot of over plays early....

Over 8.5 @ Pitt
Over 27 RHE @ Pitt
Over 9 NYY (did see that Trueblue said he saw an Over ump)
Over 9 Minny ( thinking home cookin does for Wsox what it did for SEA yesterday)
Over 8.5 TB ( probably one of those plays I should have avoided)
Over 8 Cubs
Over 10 Milw

different sizes though...just not worth posting that now....mostly bewteen 1 to 2units anyway..not more or less...

Well I noticed I like alot of overs and just as many home teams...

Pitt , Det , Yanks , KC , ...some roadies in Milw and TB and home pup Reds...

Wish I could have spoke more about what I liked and why but damn 5:30 to 7 PM happened in a flash......GL everyone we still have some games to chat about anyway...:cheers:


 
Seems lately the teams I back for over shave DP-itis..three in the b1st so far Pitt , Cincy , and Florida..

8PM-

Over 9 @ WSox

Basically Blackburn has struggled more away when compared to his solid home starts. He just faced Chicago up in Minny and 1 month into the season this is third time they are facing him.

Road starts
5 inn 7 H 2 r @ Chi
5.2 Inn 8 H 4 R @ Det
6inn 11 h 5 r @ Texas

Home 3 starts 21.2 inn 21h 4 runs and went 7 in each ....

So that leaves what looks like a few innings for the pen which has struggled at times away so far ( 5.24 ERA and 1.50 WHIP)

Twins have hit somewhat better away but still inconcistent . They just saw Floyd in Minny as well and while he was solid 6inn 5 h 3 r hi spast 2 outings while decent have been more like what we expect when Floyd pitches.....I think LHB from NYY and Minny have gone 7-24 vs Floyd which is what they have to do to score on him as he is tough vs RHB....Kubel , mauer and Morneau have gone 8-24 lifetime vs Floyd and they will be the keys here....

So the key here is Blackburn a youngster on the road facing a lineup that will be seeing him for the 3rd time in a month. While WSox lineup should benefit from being home..think they can pit 6 + here....and Floyd facing a team that his bet outing in 3 is 3 runs in 6 innings...so they could jump on him as well...but with Crede and AJ back this lineup must produce something and Twins pitching has dropped off on the road and there offense shown more life and looked much better vs DET this weekend..Twins are 9-4 over away and WSox 7-6 over at home....when they met in Chi over is 6-2-1 last 9 and Minny has scored 10 + 4 times in that stretch including this year......probably RHE as well:cheers:





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Not real interested in the Col- STL game possible get exotic and play the RHE over but have to look it at closely...

Didnt play the Houston-Wash game seemed like they were telling you to take the Nats no reason why that line should have been so cheap only to entice more Houston money....

Went home team and overs again something I usually dont do...

KC ML and over 9.5
- Really like Bannister here as KC has played LAA well for a stretch now winning something like 7 of 10 but Bannister has been his sharpest at home and LAA still missing Figgins. Andenhart 1st ever road start and I think they put him in a tough spot with how they called up him up on 3 days rest and 8 innings. Now that was his ML debut and you wonder if that shook his confidence . Regardless still tough spot with his 1st career road start IMO. KC played well yesterday 0-0 till the 9th hoping they get the bounces today ...lineup deep with LHB should be interesting to see how Nadenhart naviagtes and like I have said previously LAA middle relief does scare me...so if they hit the kid maybe the flood gates open...still expect 3-4 from LAA at worst...

Over 9 WSox and WSOX
-Like I said above just a tough , tough spot for Blackburn. Desperate team returns home just saw him last week 7 inn 8 h 3 runs and now the 3rd time in a month..

Went bigger on the 1st play listed for each game...and then parlayed all 4 for 1/2unit...

:cheers:
 
Also happy to see the bats woke up in Pitt 5-0 Pirates top 5 but I gotta say kinda shocked the bombs came from McLouth and LaRoche..to me that kinda indicates Sanchez is off tonight without even seeing him live....133 and 0.45WHIP vs LH this season.....wow ....keep it up Pitt.....


and nats already up 1-0...tried playing them last minute game and 1st 5 but DENIED somehow OTB at 8:04 oh welllll.......see what happens just the oddest most unexplainable move....:cheers:
 
Well weird game for sure but my hats off to McLouth kid is becoming a monster 8th and 9th Hrs ! The last gives me the over and a 9-0 lead now just 4 or 5 more RHE for that play and a nice start...
 
Kinda like the UNDER in Zona....

No one believes Randy Johnson is the Big Unit of old but he is 8-1 with a 2.07 ERA vs Philly in his DBacks career. Think Howard rests and Utley doesnt usually hit well vs Zona only 220 career. Philly off a season high in hits with 17 and Unit offf his worst start where after terrible 1st and 2 innings he settled in and pitched 2 scoreless ones before being lifted. Pat the Bat the primary RH bat for Philly has struggled vs Unit 4-19 12 Ks . So granted Unit may not be himself dont think pat is looking forward to facing him as I cant believe he sees the ball well or feels comfortable when facing RJ....Werth tough on LHP is only 1-6 vs Unit but more importantly 3-25 last few games he played so not swinging well of late. Feliz 7-33 0bb 10 Ks ohrs 1 Rbi...vs RJ...

So really that leaves Victorino , Brunlett , Harman playing 2ndbase , Coste to be relied on ....where as Unity did well vs SF and SDG teams without what I call DEEP lineups he struggled vs Houston a team that has Matsui , Pence , Lee , Tejada , Berkman to name a few....so that means each atbat is tougher for him...not the same here....

Eaton tough to figure but most of the time outside of @ Pitt he has been real solid and well he faces a RH lineup as a bonus here. Zona also not hitting as well IMO of late....

and mix in Miller behind the dish...not crazy about the recent line move but I got Under 10 at even before....see how it works...:cheers:
 
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