Thursday Discussion Thread
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KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
It's an odd season to this point with so many hitters struggling, might be a one off but pen numbers are much better than usual
2daBank
Voice of Reason
afraid the hitters struggling more trend than anomaly, i do think it will pick up some as we starting to get the warmer weather, or if ya buy into the conspiracies the balls will prob start coming more tightly wound! lol.. i still dont trust many pens, there several that i think gonna have regression coming, including the cardinals to a extent, not the top back end guys but we have some middle relief guys with era's that dont exactly match the stuff. pretty shocking tigers pen has such a good era.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Could be. I also think this whole swinging for the fences shtick is allowing what used to be average pen arms look a helluva lot better. You've mentioned guys with only two pitches quite a bit, I'm beginning to think if a pitcher masters two pitches it might be all he needs against today's hitters.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Very rare in recent history a starter can get away with it. Unit always comes to mind but his heat was incredible and his slider might be the best ever.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
i thought Ohtani would want to shine in NY.. guess i shouldnt have ignored his other start here where he couldnt even make it out the 1st, now i want a rainout, lol.. i guess his k prop not totally dead. i remember Cobb starting bad last time then striking out 5 in a row little later..
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
One of the best closers ever...Trevor. Fastball at 88 and change up that everyone knew was coming but couldn't touch it.
That was a brilliant pitcher with less than average stuff. Even sitting on the change up those guys couldn't do a damn thing about it.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
he was next mention, obviously his cutter was one the best weapons ever. out of pen that fine but im pretty sure he tried to start his career as a starter if im not mistaken? you gotta at least have the threat of a 3rd if you gonna get thru a lineup several times. i guess the fact some starters not even allowed to see guys a 3rd time these days changes things a bit.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
We could really get into how great Maddux and Glavine were considering their fastballs were most guys' changeups lol
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
He doesn't get out of this the hook will be swift. Get out of it and he bats next inning can completely change the complexity of this game.
number2
Pretty much a regular
Rivera was a starter first….he didn’t have his cutter until he was moved to the bullpen…..he was playing toss in bullpen with bullpen catcher…….he was messing around and somehow found the cutter……he was John wettland’s setup man back in 96 when yanks won series…..yanks starters needed to go only 5-6 innings back then. Especially David Cone……after that, they got Ramiro Mendoza , Rivera and then wetland. …..after 96, he became the closer……
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Think he gets tougher as the innings go though, no?
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
It's seriously something to keep in mind going forward and also something to think about when they make the playoffs. TB are incredibly efficient with their arms and I think that matters late in the year.
chipnotized
Bigger Slapper Than Al MacInnis
Marlins play the double header in Colorado yesterday (game 2 going 10 innings) and then fly home to face the Giants today....I'm thinking the fish come out a tad sluggish.
A big bomb banger on San Fran FF for me.
GL fellas.
A big bomb banger on San Fran FF for me.
GL fellas.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Apparently they didn’t get into Miami till 5 this morning. Should bode well for Wood k’s. Alcontera flew in before rest of team tho, giants still gonna struggle to score unless fish play crappy d behind him, alcontera turning into one the best pitchers in baseball imo.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
I’m assuming they still woulda looked to get 6 innings out of him even if his pitch count was little higher, not a lot tho, I didn’t recall seeing any starts where he was sniffing 100 pitches. 90 was most I noticed and he routinely been taken out after 6 innings when he only at 60-70 pitches.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
You would think they would like to get 6 innings out their starters whenever they capable like Kluber almost always is. Maybe it good for the starters to only be throwing 60-80 pitches a start but don’t ya have to worry bout their pen come end of year/playoffs? Nobody pen is worked as much as rays work theirs, already 231 innings thrown this year, of the other 8 teams that have at least 200 innings from the pen only 1 of them has a winning record.
