The Official South Carolina vs. LSU Thread

Blue_Chip

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Let's get this party started! ETG and I have been discussing this game all week and making references to it since week 1. ETG emailed me his initial thought on the game, and I agree with most of them and found them to be helpful.

I'll start this thread by posting my initial thoughts, stats, etc.

Interesting Stats:
LSU is 23-0 under Les Miles when rushing for >100 yds/game; SC has given up >100 yds in every game this season (ULL, UGA, SC St). Opposing offenses are avg 4.6yds/carry versus the Gamecocks defense, and LSU is avg 5.3yds/carry versus Miss St, VT, & MTSU. To make matters worse for SC, one of their best defensive lineman will be out for the game. Side note: most of ULL & SC St rushing yardage came on inside runs and traps.

My initial thoughts on SC & how LSU counters:
South Carolina's pass defense is the strong point, ranked #6 in the nation on pass defense.
-- Flynn is an efficient passer and did well versus the great CBs of VT, and Perrilloux embarassed VT to the tune of 5-for-5 for 2 TDs. Common sense says LSU needs to run the ball up SC's gut to control the clock, move the sticks, and take SC's defensive strength out of the game.

The Gamecock's offensive line is suspect when it comes to protecting the quarterback. The OL has surrendered only 6 sacks, but 20 hurries (I believe the stat for UGA was 17 QB hurries). SC is avg <200yds/game throwing the football (5 TDs, 5 INTs).
-- Ain't that some shit! LSU has the best DL in the nation, so this could pose a huge problem for SC, although I know Spurrier is smart enough to realize this. I expect to see plenty of two and three step drop passes and short underneath routes by SC.

Random Thoughts:
SC avg 5yds/carry, LSU defense allowing avg 1yd/carry.

LSU's offense has been balanced through three games and needs to remain so.LSU has 695 yds rushing & 760 yds passing, 33 first downs rushing & 39 first downs passing, 9 rushing TDs & 10 passing TDs.

SC has never beaten a team ranked higher than #3; I consider this stat useless, but I figured I would add it since I read it somewhere.

Conclusion:
I think LSU wins this game, but I have not yet determined whether or not one team is a good bet ATS. I can see this game being much closer than most people think, but I can also see LSU outmatching SC at every aspect of this game causing LSU to cover. Spurrier is a great coach, and he has had past success playing against LSU; however, his past success is irrelevant to this game (like that stat about SC never beating a #1 or #2). I like South Carolina's chances of winning the SEC East because they beat Georgia on the road and will play Florida at home, hence I said in someone's thread at the beginning of the season (it may have been your thread, ETG) that SC to win SEC East at 5-to-1 on your money was a hell of a future bet.

I'll be back with more analysis later today and/or tomorrow. I am going to try and do my typical position-by-position analysis.

ETG, chime in and post your stuff...
 
Awsome stuff BC.. Here are my thoughts on the SC side of things. I also will be posting a Q&A from a LSU representative on the SC rivals board who is fielding questions today.


First, let me start by saying I have a tremendous amount of respect for the LSU program. When I first saw the schedules and noticed this game was vs. LSU and on the road, I wanted to cry. I openly said before the season I would trade LSU and SC State for Alabama and Auburn both on the road before the season started, as of right now that trade would be unfair with how shitty Auburn has been but it still makes a point, I didn't want to play these guys. SC caught its first break heading into this game, CBS picked up the game to show at 3:30 during the day. Going to LSU and playing in that stadium is hard enough but playing at night is a whole nother animal. I think it is important for me to first start with the injuries..

Injuries:
SC lost Nathan Pepper for the yr due to a torn ligament in his knee. Nathan was part of a deep DL rotation and had moved over to DE from DT since the emergence of Ladi Ajiboye and the return of Marque Hall at DT. Eric Norwood mans the strong side DE spot and has done so since last yr as a true frosh. Although young, he is very talented and very good. Since Pepper has been lost for the yr and Jordin Lindsey has been ruled inelgible, the depth at DE has no doubt been affected. It has been announced that Casper Brinkley will return to DE (position he played last yr) this week and true frosh Cliff Matthews has moved to weak side line backer. SC's base defense is a 4-3 however they use various different looks depending on the situation and sometimes they employ a 3-4 or 5-2. I don't think Casper will spend the whole game at DE but he has been moved there to certainly help with the run. The reason I mentioned Cliff Matthews is because this is a very interesting move. Mattews was a highly regarded recruit at DE out of HS and has a big frame (6'5- 240) but he is not even close to filled out. He is quick as all hell and very athletic (all state BBall player) and was being used mainly as a speed rush off the ends in passing situations, he is what you would call a hybrid and will eventually develop into a very dominating defensive player. This moved was announced today (Tuesday) and it is pretty significant since he is listed as the starter at WLB. What kind of packages they run from here, I don't know but I have to think that he has practiced this position all summer because why else would you just move a kid to WLB to start 4 days before a game vs. #2 team in the country. I get the impression that they feel he might not be strong enough to get off the blocks from tackles but in space he is athletic enough to play LB so if Casper can take care of the Tackle, he should be ok. They def have some blitz packages with these two as well. Casper-Ladi-Marque-Eric make a stronger DL than they have shown in the first 3 games of the yr. At LB you have Jasper manning the middle and Paulk manning the strong side backer spot with the newly addition of Matthews at WLB. I honestly don't know what to expect from Cliff to say that the LB's have now downgraded, I know he is talented as all hell but does he know his assignments? Only the coaches and Cliff have that answer. The DB position suffered the other injury when Brandon Issac went down due to a shoulder injury. This is the same shoulder he had surgery on in 2006 and missed the whole season. SC has been mixing the secondary up the whole yr but since the emergence of Darian Stewart at Safety vs. UGA, this area should be fine. Carlos Thomas and Stoney Woodson will continue to man 1 corner (1starts and they rotate) and Captain Munnerlyn has held down his corner spot all yr. All of these corners excel in man coverage and are very fast (4.35). At Safety there are now 2 very good tacklers in Stewart and Cook but my fear is that Issac's loss will be felt in pass coverage. He was def better in pass coverage than Cook but I have not seen enough of Stewart to make that assessment, I do know the coaches love everything Darian brings to the table. With all of that said, I would say take little from the games vs. ULL and SC State as far as defense goes and focus on UGA where they actually showed different schemes and blitz packages. I think they did a pretty solid job vs. the run all night minus the 50yd run by Moreno. If you take that away, UGA was held to 70yards rushing. I felt like they got pretty good pressure on Stafford but there were certainly some receivers downfield open at different times due to a messed up assignment.

Other Defensive thoughts:
I do want to point something out about Tyrone Nix and his defense that goes back to last yr, second half points. The first number is their second half points, the second number is their points for the game.

Arky = 3 (27), Fla = 10 (17) , MTSU = 0 (7), Clemson = 7 (28), Houston = 8 (36), ULL = 0 (14), UGA = 9 (12), SCSU = 0 (3).

I think overall as a defense this is the absolute key to SC having any shot what so ever in this game and avoid looking like MTSU, VT, and Messy ST both ATS and SU. They keys for the defense are to 1)stop the run, 2)get pressure on Flynn and contain him, 3)force the inexperienced WR's to make plays, 4)limit 3rd down conversions, 5)get off the field. I will be the first to admit, I am not calling for the upset at all, I think that LSU as a team is faster, more talented, has more depth, has more skill but I think the game can be closer than Vegas indicates provided that this side of the ball plays their heart out.

Offense:
Now it is time to talk about the side of the ball with the most questions. As far as offensive philosophy goes, I would assume you will see a strategy much like the UGA game with a bit more downfield passing and a little more 3-4 wr sets. I think the backbone of the philophy won't change and that is try to control the clock and dictate the tempo with Boyd and Davis on the ground. With that said, LSU is giving up 33ypg vs. the rush so it will be harder than expected. I think Spurrier is going to let Blake hit the quick throws with 3step drops and let him gain his confidence as the game gradually moves on. He was very calm and collected throughout the whole UGA game. Someone on this team must show up and say "I AM THE #2 WR" because it has yet to happen. McKinnley is good but he can't get open with 2 guys shading him. I expected big things from TE Jarred Cook coming into the year and I am a bit puzzeled why he is not getting the ball more often since he has been catching it, this could be the game they try to use him because he is a tough match up for any LB or S. The OL has done fine with run blocking but they have not excelled in pass blocking and with Dorsey and the rest of the LSU defensive line quickly approaching, this is my #1 concern in the game. SC will get their former starting RG back this week and he will be given a chance to regain his spot back but he is sitting pretty deep in Spurrier's dog house. I don't think SC has any shot at trading score for score with LSU so it is in the teams best interest to not turn the ball over, know their assingments, don't put the defense in bad situations, and play sound fundamental football.

Random Shit:
There are some other things worth mentioning in this match up. I think SC has the advantage at Coach and at Kicker and that is about it. SC needs to be careful with their punt and kick coverages since LSU is so explosive. Succop I think has 7-8 touchbacks on the yr and a very strong leg but the special team coverage has been average at best. They can not give away field positon on special teams and they can not kill themselves with stupid penalties. For example......SC forces UGA to a 3 and out on the first series of the game and as UGA send their punter onto the field, they are flagged for unsportman like conduct. This penalty keeps the UGA drive going. In the same drive, SC forces another 3 and out and they are once again flagged for unsportsman like conduct and UGA gets to keep their offense on the field once again. UGA ended up getting 30 free yards on what should of been a 3 and out and they got a shot at a field goal. That type of stuff can not happen vs. LSU because it will be 7 points. I think Spurrier believes they have a shot and the players believe what ever he tells them. This is certainly the best team Spurrier has had at SC but they will face the best team they ever faced under Spurrier as well, yes I think this LSU team looks better than the UF team that escaped the Swamp with a victory by the finger tips of Jarvis Moss. With all that said, I think SC is the best team that LSU will have faced up to this point in the season. Messy St doesn't do it for me, nor does VaTech or MTSU. If LSU romps to a 42-7 victory, go ahead and mark them down for #1 in the Nation as well as writing their names in the MNC with a permanent marker.

I think if SC can keep LSU to 30 points and under, their shot at covering the spread is very good. Anything over 30 and it will be very very difficult.

Lastly, Spurrier is 9-1 ATS on the road while at SC and 7-3 SU.



I have not made any plays yet, I def need to do some more reading, this LSU team looks SCARY
 
Q&A with Mike Scarborough, representative of LSU on Rivals.com...

There is a ton of info here and it is a very good read..



Are the Gamecocks even on the radar of most LSU fans?

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Yes, they are, although, after what Florida did to Tennessee on Saturday, I think many Tiger fans seems to be looking forward to that one. But that's the fans. I don't think the team is looking past the Gamecocks.



Will anybody score another touchdown on that defense this year?

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Yes, I think the Gamecocks score a few this weekend. We'll see, after three games this is the most impressive LSU defense I have ever seen and that includes the 2003 national championship defense that was the nation's best that year.



The last 2 seasons LSU has come out strong and then struggled in a midseason SEC matchup. What do you think the reasons for those midseason game struggles were? Have the LSU coaches done anything different as far as preperation for these midseason games this year to avoid those mistakes?

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It depends on the particular instance. There were games were some key personnel were missing due to injury. Last year, the offensive game plan was totally due to coaching decisions at Auburn and the Florida game was solely on the players. A handful of unforced turnovers was clearly a lack of focus.

Miles teams have put away and covered the spread against just about every team they were heavily favored over. This year the marquee games are staggered well in LSU's favor. Before the season I thought the Kentucky game sandwiched between Florida and Auburn was a dangerous game. I still feel that way, although it's because Kentucky looks to be a better than I thought. LSU has always had some crazy games in Lexington.


Hey Mike, are Flynn, Doucet, and Arnold slated to play? What's their status for Saturday?

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Flynn and Arnold are expected to play. Doucet is out. How much Arnold plays or does not play doesnt matter. He's not the best guard on LSU's team regardless of what some preseason mags have said.


Mike, do you think that Ryan Perrilloux has a big an upside as any qb in the SEC? I have seen him play and IMO he is as talented as any qb I've ever seen! I also think that So Cal, Oklahoma, Florida, and LSU are heads above the rest of the teams in the nation. One of the 4 teams above will win the national championship this year, do you agree!

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I dont think the LSU offense misses a beat whether it's Flynn or Perrilloux. Ryan was not overrated coming out of high school or anything like that. He like Flynn had to sit and wait for Jamarcus Russell to move on. The more Perrilloux plays, the better he will be.

Regardless of what the national talking heads have to say about Miles preseason comments, he was right about the road SEC teams have to follow in order to even think about playing for a national title. The odds are stacked against LSU winning every game. As good as they are, if I were a betting man, I would bet against them winning out. Whether it's injuries, sleep walking one Saturday or having to play a SEC East team for the second time in Atlanta, it's a daunting task. OU has to play a weak Texas team and they are home free. I dont care what anyone says about Southern Cals schedule, I think it's weak. Florida's offense is scary... That game is going to be a showdown of one of the nation's best offenses against one of the nation's best defenses.



Regarding the Doucet injury, is Coach Miles always so secretive about these things? Does anyone know what actually happened? It seems like it would be a good warning story for other players but instead he refuses to talk about it. Is that a strategy position, his normal position on injuries or do ya'll just not have any idea what's going on in this situation?

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I know what Miles is trying to say, but I dont think it matters. There is no way to keep that kind of stuff a secret for too long. Unlike the NFL, they don't have to report injuries. Miles stance is that if an opponent doesn't know that a player is hurt, they spend their 20-hour work week game planning as if that player is going to be there.

Everyone knows Doucet has a groin injury. Everyone knows Flynn has an ankle injury. Even if the media cooperated with him, it's still going to get out. The internet, sports talk radio, etc. doesn't allow that stuff to remain hidden any longer.


Mike, First--Thanks for your time! Do you think the Cocks can have success with our running game and try to go to the 4th quarter with a fresh defense to make a game of it? I would say you all have not had a full game this year, IF we can go to the 4th with a fresh D, will LSU's conditioning hold up? Thanks! Hoping for a win!!! Go Cocks!!!

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The Gamecock running game will only be successful if your passing game is. You will have to throw it on first down with success and then hit LSU with the draws and such.

Conditioning at LSU is a big deal. That's why Tommy Moffitt is the highest paid strength and conditioning coordinator in the country. If LSU is pushed and has to play everyone for four quarters, I don't see that being a problem.


1) Similarities/differences b/t Ryan Perrilloux and Tim Tebow?

2) LSU's defense is insane good, we know that. But of all its good parts(DE, DT, LB, CB, Safties) which link is either weakest or least tested so far?

3) Most dangerous home game for LSU this year?

4) In your experience so far, what is Les Miles' best quality as a coach? Weakest?

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I need to see more of Tebow, but I think they are similar in what they can do with an offense, but I dont see much difference between Perrilloux and Flynn. Those two are neck and neck in the 40, same size but Ryan's arm is a bit stronger.

I guess the big difference between Perrilloux and Tebow is that Perrilloux gets the public scratching their head with some words and trying to use a fake ID to get on a casino boat while Tebow gets the public scratching their head over his fist pumping like behavior after big plays and all the crazy propaganda. I think there are many who would like to see Tebow flop, but it hasn't happened yet. Weak link on defense.. none and I'm not being a homer when I say that. All of the corners and safeties will play in the NFL. All of the DL will play in the NFL. Two of the three linebackers will play in the NFL... and many of all of them will be high round draft picks. As good of a linebacker Luke Sanders is, he would have to be the weak link just because you want to name someone.

Being tested is overrated. IF you can wear someone out for four quarters, why would you want to have a nailbiter? I've been hearing that question a bit this week. One local talk show host says he hopes South Carolina tests LSU so that the first test isnt against Florida.

Most dangerous home game is obviously Florida. Toughest road game is obviously the Alabama game with everything that goes along with that one, although I maintain that Kentucky game could be a major trap.


Besides Dorsey and Doucet who are the likely first round picks.

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Tyson Jackson is a first rounder as I dont see him coming back for his senior year. We'll see how Chevis and Zenon perform at workouts and at the NFL combine. One of them could go early. I think Steltz's stock is going to rise tremendously.



If Early Doucet is indeed unable to play on Saturday, who would be his replacement? I'm guessing some other five star just as talented

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Brandon LaFell who was a three-star that year. When Rivals finally got his tape in January, many of us thought he was a Rivals100 player but the final rankings had already been completed.


Mike - Where do you think Carolina will finish in the East? What do you think about the Vols this year?

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I think South Carolina finishes second and the Vols are poo poo. Fulmer should have been cut loose years ago. That program is stagnant with him at the helm.


Is there an aspect (or two) of this game that the match-up worries you about, atleast relatively worrisome?

It appears that if comfortable, Perriloux actually has more tools. Would USC rather see Flynn or R.P. in the game in your opinion?

Do you believe that LSU's running game will push over the 140 yard mark? If any, is this one worry spot you have of LSU's offense?

What kind of point differential do you feel it is playing in the day game vs. night game?

What is LSU's base defense - I assume it's a 3-4 (Hybrid-DE/LB) Cover 2 from what i've seen.

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Not trying to come across as a homer, but it is my belief that LSU can only make things difficult for themselves. Come out sleep walking, turn the ball over, etc.

I think LSU will run for over 140 yards.

Worry spot on the LSU offense is depth at the tackle spots, finding consistency from the third and fourth WR's. We know Doucet and LaFell can play at high level, need to get the Mitchell's more time and true freshman Terrance Toliver.. Toliver is everything he was billed to be as a five-star.

4-3 defense, with two great corners playing man. As much as people talk about the front 7, the corners ability to play man gives Pelini so much flexibility to do all the things he wants to do. Most of the time, the third linebacker is not in the game. Danny McCray is the fifth DB and is great on the blitz.
 
I love the under in this matchup. SC should have a lot of trouble scoring points in this one. Max is probably 13 or 14 for them. Their defense is good though, they have the ability to keep it close.
 
Wow! Great info and insight into this game!

Thanks BlueChip and ETG!

This game is a no play for me, but I'm watching this for sure! Enjoy the game, BC!
 
RSMS, the under is definitely worth a look (although I saw you already played it). SC will have trouble scoring, and the amount of point LSU puts up will depend on the running game. LaFell is great and Tolliver has been my boy since the get-go. We shall see...
 
The thing about the under, (45,46) depending what you have, I like it and I would be more inclined to play the under than the over but in the back of my mind I have fear of the LSU flood gates opening. I think 31-14 is a very reasonable score and this game could fall right on that number. For a shot at the under and the SC+points, LSU has to be kept to 30 and below in my opinion
 
... but in the back of my mind I have fear of the LSU flood gates opening.

LSU defense could frustrate SC into failure; the same call I made for the VT vs. LSU game. LSU's D frustrated VT to the point of failure, the team gave up, Glennon was replaced, and the "flood gates opened" during that game.
 
Here is a practice run down for the Cocks. (9/19)


Blake Mitchell started very slowly in practice yesterday but rebounded to close things out on a better note. He is still pressing a bit. Chris Smelley was again very limited in practice.

A lot of time was spent working on the passing game, as the coaches know it’s going to play a key role in this weekend’s game. They can’t be one-dimensional and have any chance to win.

Mark Barnes was a standout among the young receivers. He is getting more comfortable with the offense and his performance is getting better as a result.

Jason Barnes also had some nice moments, as he is running good routes and catching the ball well for the most part. One area he needs to continue to work on is the timing of his jumps when he’s going up to get the ball.

The offensive line had a better practice yesterday overall than they did on Monday. They’ve spent a lot of time working on picking up the blitzes that LSU is sure to throw at them.

Cliff Matthews has been a beast at WILL linebacker and has taken to the position well. He made a lot of plays last night.

The defensive coaches have turned up the intensity this week. They are making sure the players have a complete understanding of their assignments, as LSU is capable of making a team pay big for one small mistake.

Kenrick Ellis is starting to make some noise at defensive tackle and could get in the rotation this week.


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The 3 names in bold are all True Frosh. Mark and Jason Barnes have been practice heros so far this yr but Spurrier has not let them free in the game yet. Oddly enough, they wear #13 and #4, I can only pray that they are Syvelle and Sidney for us on Saturday. hah


Just keeping this updated for the week.
 
LSU defense could frustrate SC into failure; the same call I made for the VT vs. LSU game. LSU's D frustrated VT to the point of failure, the team gave up, Glennon was replaced, and the "flood gates opened" during that game.



The thing about that is that ECU almost fustrated VT into failure. I am not knocking your defense by any means but VT sucks on offense. What Spurrier has been doing with this offense this yr is just wierd and much different than his first 2 yrs here. Against ULL, he obviously was hiding a lot as he called the same 4 plays just switching sides. Against UGA, I thought we would open it up a bit more but he was content with trying to run it down their throat. I can't even use the SCST game because it didn't resemble our offense at all, he just kept trying to work Blake vertically. He is gradually bringing them along and I just can't believe that our offense can only run the ball up the middle and do nothing else. I will say that I don't feel that we are the #12 team in the country, we have not even come close to playing our best yet. I do think at the end of the yr we will be a much better team than we are today and than we could be the #12 team.
 
I am starting to lean pretty heavy to +17 which is prob not a surprise to most on here, sometimes they say love is blind :smiley_acbe:
 
I can say, right now, that I will not be making a play on this game; however, I will continue to analyze the game for forum readers. I'm going to try to do the position-by-position analysis tomorrow morning.
 
I want to give everyone something else to think about.

If you are thinking about playing LSU, you may get the number you want tomorrow.

If you are thinking about playing SC, you may not get the number you want tomorrow.



DR. Bob


I don't know what he will have but I have been able to predict some of his plays and it wouldn't surprise me 1 bit to see him on SC. I think he would be on SC before he would be on LSU. Just a heads up
 
No words, I just want to see something. Predict the score to the SC/LSU game, and predict the score of your fav team @ LSU this wkend


24-13, LSU over SC

38-24, LSU over WVU
 
interesting thread. very good thread.
thx for the injury updates, etc.

i'm very close to playing LSU -16.5 pts. the only reason i haven't played it yet are those injuries. but i'm also worried dr bob will fuck up this line very soon.

barring injuries keeping people outta that offense...and barring some crazy rash of LSU turnovers...i got LSU winning this by 24 pts. got south carolina topping out at 9 to 10 pts, at best. but will injuries (key starters not playing, or not playign much) keep LSU from scoring enough to cover?

and i know some might think my 24 pt assessment is off...especially if you've bet on the cocks...but, as just one example, one of the more reputable power rankings around has LSU more than 30 pts better than South Carolina in this spot.

anyways, i'm close to pulling the trigger here. and i'll have to decide before dr bob does his thing tomorrow...or hope he's on south carolina too, lol. but thanks again for the injury info, guys.
 
... but will injuries (key starters not playing, or not playign much) keep LSU from scoring enough to cover?

and i'll have to decide before dr bob does his thing tomorrow...or hope he's on south carolina too, lol.

LSU has plenty of receiving targets, so do not worry. Did you read what Scarbrough said on Rivals.com (ETG posted above)? La Fell would have been a top 100, but the ranking were already published. Tolliver is a young, raw talent that has shown what he is capable of at points this season.

I think it is the consensus that Dr. Bob will choose SC +16.5, so I hope you can get LSU at a better line.

GL Yanks
 
The Les Miles Show is an hour-long radio broadcast from a restaurant/bar about .5 miles outside of LSU's campus every Wednesday night. A seasoned reporter, Jim Hawthorne, asks Miles questions, then Miles fields questions from fans via phone or ones in attendance. The following is a recap of the Les Miles Show which took place last night in Baton Rouge...

Jim Hawthorne started the program off by congratulating Coach Miles for having the team ready to play each week, regardless of the caliber of competition. Miles was quick to give credit to his coaching staff for doing a great job preparing the players to play each week and to not overlook any team they play. Miles was happy that most of the players who dressed out for the Middle Tennessee game received some playing time. Hawthorne mentioned that 10 different LSU players caught at least one pass during the game and that nine different backs carried the football at least one time. Miles singled out Ryan Perrilloux and Jared Mitchell for their performance against the Blue Raiders.

Steven was the first caller and asked the coach to comment on South Carolina's offense and defense. Miles pointed out that running back Cory Boyd is an outstanding SEC back and that his backup is also good. Miles said that South Carolina's defensive backs did a good job of mixing up man to man coverage with the zone defense.

Paul was the second caller and he asked if LSU would do anything to confuse the young, inexperienced Gamecock offensive line. Miles said LSU would use a combination of different schemes to try to get South Carolina into predictable situations.

Scott called and asked if Terrance Tolliver would see more playing time with the absence of Early Doucet. Miles reply was that Tolliver, Jared Mitchell and Demetrius Byrd would be asked to pick up the slack.

Miles was also asked who would return punts without Doucet. Jared Mitchell will get the first chance, according to Miles. Jim called and said that in the past Spurrier was known as a wide open coach that loved to throw the football. Miles reply was that Spurrier always used a balanced attack the years that he was highly successful at Florida.

Jeremy called and said he listened to an interview with Steve Spurrier who said that Nick Saban did a great job his five years at LSU but did not mention the job that Les Miles is doing at LSU. Miles' reply was that Spurrier chose his words very carefully and that his statement did not come as a surprise. Miles said LSU is looking forward to playing Spurrier's team at Tiger Stadium.

A caller from Denham Springs asked what remaining games on the schedule concerns Coach Miles the most. Miles' reply was that the South Carolina game is the only game he is concerned about at this time.
 
LSU has plenty of receiving targets, so do not worry. Did you read what Scarbrough said on Rivals.com (ETG posted above)? La Fell would have been a top 100, but the ranking were already published. Tolliver is a young, raw talent that has shown what he is capable of at points this season.

I think it is the consensus that Dr. Bob will choose SC +16.5, so I hope you can get LSU at a better line.

GL Yanks


thx for the response.
had a couple appointments today...and by the time i got back, i saw that i'd cost myself a couple points by hesitating on the play last nite. dr bob had indeed fucked with this line.
however, it came back to -18 at 5dimes in the afternoon, so i (begrudgingly) played it there...though smaller than originally intended. BAR got a couple profanity laced texts from me as well, bitching about what dr bob did to the line i wanted...and had failed to grab. i'm sure he enjoyed those, lol.
 
INJURY

LSU starting defensive right tackle Charles Alexander tore his ACL on one of his knees Tuesday during no contact drills and will miss the remainder of the season. Marlon Favorite, who was a part-time starter last season, will start in place of Alexander.
 
POSITION ANALYSIS: South Carolina vs. LSU

QB
The only pro for SC here is Mitchell's arm strength; he is inconsistent though at 34/52 for 321 yds. Flynn and Perrilloux are both better overall. I expect to see Perrilloux enter the game rather early.
Advantage: LSU

RB
Boyd/Davis vs. Hester/Williams -- IMO, Hester/Williams are better. Add to it that LSU has more depth at RB, and you have another...
Advantage: LSU

WR
With Doucet out, I say McKinley, Ryan and Freddie Brown are about on par with LaFell, Tolliver, Byrd, and both Mitchells. I will continue to say this until the nation realizes it, Tolliver is an amazing talent. He is dumb as bricks, but his raw talent makes up for it.
No Advantage (Tolliver is the deciding factor)

TE
Boyd is a 3-yr starter and a good TE, but SC's TE talent ends there. The frosh Prochak is not even close to Boyd. LSU goes three deep at TE, all of which are decent blockers and receivers. I'm warming up to the Dickson, Zinger, Cole trio as the season progresses.
Advantage: LSU

OL
SC's OL can block for the run, but have done a shitty job protecting Mitchell (UGA hurried Mitchell 17 times). As is the case every week, an OL opposing LSU's DL is in for trouble. LSU's OL has improved each game, and in this week's Les Miles radio show, he specifically named Brett Helms as one of the quickiest-improving players on the team. Ciron Black is a good OL but not poker player, or so I'm told by a few friends that convince him to play at their home game... ha ha!
Advantage: LSU

DL
I should just start skipping this section because no team will compare. I think Dorsey is the best player in the country and no one can even come close (McFadden a distant 2nd).
Huge Advantage: LSU

LB
Jasper and Paulk play well because of intangibles (effort, knowledge of the game, etc). Highsmith, Beckwith, and Sanders might be faster than SC's starting LB's, and LSU has depth at LB with Cutrera and Riley.
No Advantage (slight lean toward LSU)

DB
SC's DB's are fast and have good coverage skills. LSU's DB's good as well. Steltz is not going to look like a great safety on paper, but when you watch him play, he plays extremely smart football. LSU again has more depth, but I think SC has the speed adavantage here.
No Advantage

Special Teams
Succop is a good punter and kicker. Fisher and Succop both average right around 44 yds/punt. Colt David and Succop have been accurate. LSU's problem is that they cannot get kickoffs beyond the 10-yd line. I believe Andrew Crutchfield will be LSU's new kickoff guy. LSU also has the always-threatening Trindon Holiday returning kicks, but Doucet is not there to return punts this week. I think Byrd will return punts until Doucet returns, although Miles has not given a clear answer on this topic.
Slight Advantage: SC

There's my analysis, ETG, have at it.
 
POSITION ANALYSIS: South Carolina vs. LSU

QB
The only pro for SC here is Mitchell's arm strength; he is inconsistent though at 34/52 for 321 yds. Flynn and Perrilloux are both better overall. I expect to see Perrilloux enter the game rather early.
Advantage: LSU

Agree you prob have the advantage. Blake is wierd, you don't know what you are going to get but in his career he is above 60% passer and if he has confidence he won't get hit, he is capable of picking you apart.

RB
Boyd/Davis vs. Hester/Williams -- IMO, Hester/Williams are better. Add to it that LSU has more depth at RB, and you have another...
Advantage: LSU

I would call this a slight advantage to LSU, maybe even. Boyd/Davis are both down hill runners who don't go down on first contact. Neither of them has the 4.4 speed to break away from a defense on an 80yard run but they will grind and grind and grind. Also Boyd catching out of the backfield is very good. While LSU might have 3-4 RB's they will play, SC will go with this 1-2 punch all game and keep them fresh.

WR
With Doucet out, I say McKinley, Ryan and Freddie Brown are about on par with LaFell, Tolliver, Byrd, and both Mitchells. I will continue to say this until the nation realizes it, Tolliver is an amazing talent. He is dumb as bricks, but his raw talent makes up for it.
No Advantage (Tolliver is the deciding factor):

Little note here. Frosh Jason Barnes got the start opposite McKinnley this wkend. I have been waiting for Mark or Jason Barnes to steal the spot and I don't want to say Spurrier has been hiding these guys but I think he has specific plays just for them to run. Tolliver is very good, I watched a lot of his film from rivals during recruiting. Ironically, Jason Barnes wears #4, I hope he looks like Sidney this wkend! lol


TE
Boyd is a 3-yr starter and a good TE, but SC's TE talent ends there. The frosh Prochak is not even close to Boyd. LSU goes three deep at TE, all of which are decent blockers and receivers. I'm warming up to the Dickson, Zinger, Cole trio as the season progresses.
Advantage: LSU

This is interesting. Boyd is strictly a blocking TE and a very good one. Prochak is 3rd string. The X-FACTOR for the Carolina offense is 6'5 240 Jarred Cook. They have moved him from WR to TE after last yr and they have not used him as much as I had liked. Are they saving him? I don't know but he runs a 4.4 and is a tough matchup for any LB/S. I think this wkend, he is the leading receiver for us.

OL
SC's OL can block for the run, but have done a shitty job protecting Mitchell (UGA hurried Mitchell 17 times). As is the case every week, an OL opposing LSU's DL is in for trouble. LSU's OL has improved each game, and in this week's Les Miles radio show, he specifically named Brett Helms as one of the quickiest-improving players on the team. Ciron Black is a good OL but not poker player, or so I'm told by a few friends that convince him to play at their home game... ha ha!
Advantage: LSU

Ahh, What am I going to say here. This is the biggest test for the SC O-Line all yr. I will say that I think I have seen that LSU has given up 3 sacks game?

DL
I should just start skipping this section because no team will compare. I think Dorsey is the best player in the country and no one can even come close (McFadden a distant 2nd).
Huge Advantage: LSU

Yes, the LSU defensive line is obviously better than SC but this is the strongest position on the SC defense. Casper returning to DE should be interesting this wkend.

LB
Jasper and Paulk play well because of intangibles (effort, knowledge of the game, etc). Highsmith, Beckwith, and Sanders might be faster than SC's starting LB's, and LSU has depth at LB with Cutrera and Riley.
No Advantage (slight lean toward LSU)

I can agree here, I don't know what True Frosh Cliff Matthews is going to do this wkend. Jasper hits every and anything that comes in his way.

DB
SC's DB's are fast and have good coverage skills. LSU's DB's good as well. Steltz is not going to look like a great safety on paper, but when you watch him play, he plays extremely smart football. LSU again has more depth, but I think SC has the speed adavantage here.
No Advantage

Steltz got 4 picks already don't he. SC depth took a hit with Issac but they might play him this wk at corner in stickly covering situations. SC corners are very fast and should be able to keep up with the LSU WR's.


Special Teams
Succop is a good punter and kicker. Fisher and Succop both average right around 44 yds/punt. Colt David and Succop have been accurate. LSU's problem is that they cannot get kickoffs beyond the 10-yd line. I believe Andrew Crutchfield will be LSU's new kickoff guy. LSU also has the always-threatening Trindon Holiday returning kicks, but Doucet is not there to return punts this week. I think Byrd will return punts until Doucet returns, although Miles has not given a clear answer on this topic.
Slight Advantage: SC

SC does not want to kickoff/punt to LSU because of their big play ability. Succop will put the ball in the endzone and Succop is good from 55yards out.


There's my analysis, ETG, have at it.


THOUGHTS IN GARNETT
 
I just want to add one thing.


Maybe I am delusional and biased, its possible. I tried to look at this game objectively. I agree LSU is the superior team. Are they really 24-30 points better than SC? I mean, some of the predictions these so called experts have this week are flat out absurd and I mean that with no disrespect to LSU but predicting 35-3 and 42-7 imo is just crazy. I look for SC to battle and play tough and lose. Maybe they lose by 1 maybe they lose by 18, my crystal ball is broke but we won't look like VT or MSU or MTSU.



I also want to comment about Spurrier.


After watching his press videos after practice you can see this smirk on his face. He seems confident, not that Carolina is going to win, but that the team can compete. I think what he did this wk by talking up LSU is a no lose situation. He shifted the pressure from the kids this wk. I also think he feels if it is a close game then he can say "well we had the #1 team in the country such and such" because that is what he voted them, number 1 and everyone has made them out to be GOD this week.


I think 24-13 LSU
 
I agree with you, ETG, I do not think SC looks like VT or MTSU or Miss St this weekend. I think SC's defense will play strong and I think this game will boil down to offensive efficiency. I see LSU executing more effectively only because I think LSU's defense can force SC's offense into more difficult situations resulting in turnovers.

Bottom line, great defensive battle and closer than these touts are calling. Geaux Tigers!
 
As for tonight, I am unsure, but I do know that South Carolina players will be eating Popeye's fried chicken after the game. A two-piece combo with mashed potatoes and a biscuit. And, no, I am not lying; it is something that has been done for years for the visiting teams.
:tiphat: I love me some Popeye's!
 
I prefer more informative threads myself ....................... Just want to give my thanks for the hard work ( I know when its your teams it doesnt always feel like hard work) that went into this Collab.. wish we had a breakdown thread like this every week for atleast the "BIG" game. Sarcasm aside, great shit... really great shit.
 
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What: No. 12 South Carolina (3-0) at No. 2 LSU (3-0)
Where: Tiger Stadium, Baton Rouge, La.
When: Sat., Sept. 22, 3:30 p.m. ET
TV/Radio: CBS (Verne Lundquist, Gary Danielson); USC Radio Network (Todd Ellis, Tommy Suggs).

South Carolina heads to Baton Rouge this weekend to face, if you believe the polls, one of the best teams in the nation in the LSU Tigers. The Tigers are exceptionally talented, and have proven it so far this year with three consecutive convincing wins against overmatched opponents. One of those opponents was Virginia Tech, but the Hokies were swarmed under on both sides of the ball in a 48-7 loss two weeks ago. Some people believe USC will suffer the same fate. But USC has one thing going for it – head coach Steve Spurrier. Under the HBC, USC has pulled out a number of significant and historic road wins, including a 16-12 win at Georgia Sept. 8. This would be the biggest win – if you go by the polls - in school history if the Gamecocks play smart, turnover-free football and find a way to pull it out in the fourth quarter.

Here's how the two teams matchup on both sides of the ball:

USC OFFENSE v. LSU DEFENSE:

No question quarterback Blake Mitchell must perform several levels better than he did last week in the win over I-AA S.C. State. While he completed 66.7 percent of his passes, he made bad decisions in several spots and ended up tossing three interceptions.

The passing game was so ineffective against the Bulldogs that Spurrier all but abandoned it in the second half, turning to the running game to bail out the offense.

As a fifth-year senior, Mitchell must provide the same leadership as two weeks ago in Athens when he smartly directed USC to a much-needed win over Georgia. But he looked like a totally different quarterback a week later.

Curiously, some of Mitchell's best performances of his career have come away from Williams Brice Stadium. Last year, he scorched Florida and Clemson on the road. The previous campaign, victories over Tennessee and Arkansas marked his first full year as the starter.

If the Blake Mitchell of the final 18 quarters of 2006 makes an appearance at Tiger Stadium Saturday, the odds of the Gamecocks pulling off the upset increase dramatically.

An important key to this game is how much success running backs Cory Boyd (or, as Les Miles called him, "Cory Byrd") and Mike Davis will enjoy running between the tackles.

Boyd (255 yards) and Davis (252 yards) have combined for 507 yards in three games. Both running backs are on pace to rush for 1,000 yards and become just the second USC duo to both reach the millennium figure in the same season.

But trying to run the football against LSU's front seven might present the biggest challenge for USC in this game. The Tigers are giving up just 1.0 yard per rush and have allowed just one trip into the red zone, which came in Week 2 by Virginia Tech.

In order to have any success running the ball, USC must neutralize All-America DT Glenn Dorsey, who, as NFL scouts will tell you, is as strong and quick as any tackle in the nation. USC will probably have to commit two blockers to contain him.

But Dorsey is not alone. Defensive end Tyson Jackson and tackle Charles Alexander are pretty good, too. Linebacker Ali Highsmith is LSU's leading tackler with 21.

Kenny McKinley remains USC's top pass receiving threat by a wide margin. However, he's been running shorter routes, which is an indication of Spurrier's lack of faith in the vertical passing game and the offensive line providing the quarterback sufficient time to take his steps and throw the ball.

Last year, McKinley averaged 17.3 yards for his 51 catches (880 yards). This season, McKinley has 17 receptions (one-third of his season total of a year ago) for 182 yards, an average of 10.7 yards per catch. That's 6.6 yards less per catch, a significant chunk of yardage.

Overall, USC's average yards per reception has fallen by 3.1 yards in 2007 over last season. The danger is that unless USC can establish some type of passing game, they could make the fatal mistake of becoming one-dimensional.

Against a top defense like LSU's, that won't enhance the Gamecocks' chances for winning.
After watching veterans like Moe Brown drop one too many passes, Spurrier announced Thursday night that true freshman Jason Barnes will get his first career start against the tough Tigers' secondary.

In Spurrier's mind, USC has been throwing to the wide receivers and tight ends too much. The foundation of the Cock-n-Fire offense is a vertical passing game that tries to extend defenses beyond their limits.

But for the past few weeks USC's passing has been mostly horizontal, with an emphasis on dump off passes to the running backs and short passes to the tight ends.

COACH'S COMMENT: "We're going up to LSU and get into a ballgame hopefully somewhat like the Georgia game. It's going to be pretty hard for us to go down there and outscore them. So, hopefully, it will be a field goal game. We have an excellent field goal kicker in Ryan Succop. That's the kind of game we would like to have happen. Whether or not it will, we have to go play and find out. I don't need to sit here and tell you how good of a team they are. Everybody has said that. They have a big-time college football program at LSU. They've really got it rolling right now. Basically, Tulane is the only school
they compete with in-state for players and Louisiana has excellent high school football. So that is a football program that has an opportunity to do very well every year" - USC head coach Steve Spurrier.

LSU OFFENSE v. USC DEFENSE:

In the eyes of Tiger fans, the biggest question for the LSU offense heading into this week's game against USC is this: can the Tigers reach 40 points for the fifth consecutive game.

LSU is averaging 45.7 points per game through three games – all lopsided wins over Mississippi State (45-0), Virginia Tech (48-7) and Middle Tennessee (44-0). They have two good quarterbacks in Matt Flynn and Ryan Perrilloux, who filled in last week when Flynn suffered a sprained ankle.

Les Miles declined to name a starting QB throughout the week but all indications point to the senior Flynn, who made his first career start in the 2005 Peach Bowl, returning from his one-week hiatus.

LSU has adopted a running back by committee with Jacob Hester, a tough inside runner who is tough to bring down, showing the way with 206 yards. Keiland Williams, who has the speed to beat defenders on the corner, has 174 yards and four touchdowns. Both runners should get plenty of work in Saturday's game.

After an embarrassing performance against Louisiana-Lafayette in the season opener, the USC run defense has improved by leaps and bounds. They held Georgia to 128 yards two weeks ago, a key statistic in the Gamecocks' win.

Just as he was last season, the anchor of USC's defense is middle linebacker Jasper Brinkley. But he's getting plenty of assistance this year from his twin brother Casper Brinkley, Eric Norwood and Rodney Paulk. Safety Darian Stewart led USC in tackles against Georgia, and could play a key role in trying to contain LSU's running game alongside strong safety Emanuel Cook.

One question that must be answered is what impact the loss of DT Nathan Pepper will have on the USC defense. Pepper suffered torn knee ligaments while returning an interception for a TD last week and will miss the rest of the season.

Continuing to emphasize stopping the run, the USC defensive coaches reconfigured the defense by shifting OLB Casper Brinkley to his former position of defensive end and sliding true freshman Cliff Matthews into the vacated outside linebacker spot.

Matthews sustained a bone in his hand earlier this week in practice but is expected to retain his starting role and earn his first career start. Matthews was all over the field last week in the S.C. State. Can he do it two weeks in a row?

LSU's leading wide receiver Early Doucet has been ruled out of the game after incurring a "pretty significant" groin injury last week in practice before the Middle Tennessee game.

Jared Mitchell, who strongly considered signing with USC but stayed in-state, stepped in for Doucet last week and had a team-high six receptions. While talented, by all accounts Mitchell isn't nearly as polished as Doucet.

With Doucet likely sidelined, the leading receiver heading into this contest is Brandon LaFell, who has 11 receptions. He's the only active receiver with double digit catches.

Brandon Isaac suffered a shoulder injury in the S.C. State game last week but is expected to play Saturday. Cook and Stewart are growing into one of the top safety tandems into the SEC, while Captain Munnerlyn is already drawing raves for his man coverage skills and warrior mentality.

COACH'S COMMENT: "They are known for their throwing game, but the reality is they are running the football as productively and efficiently as they have ever run it. They have two very talented running backs. Corey Boyd rushed for over 800 yards a year ago. They have two running backs that they can put in the game and get yards with. They have a go-to-receiver in Kenny McKinley. He is a very talented guy. He is a guy that can make plays. Their quarterback, Blake Mitchell, is one of the career leaders in passing yards at South Carolina. He is a big, strong and capable quarterback. Their offensive line is coming and making improvement on a weekly basis. Their offense is very dangerous and we have to make sure we are ready to play" - LSU head coach Les Miles.

SYNOPSIS: Player-for-player, few people will argue LSU is more talented than USC. But, as Steve Spurrier likes to say, the best team doesn't always win. Spurrier may be the best coach in the nation in his ability to equalize the talent when there is a huge disparity. The best evidence of that is last year's 17-16 loss at Florida. The Gators, the eventual national champions, had far more talent than USC. But Spurrier's superior coaching and play calling, together with excellent motivational skills, gave USC a chance to win it at the end. Spurrier believes USC must ride its two-headed monster at running game, the aggressive defense, and the strong leg of Ryan Succop to have any chance of victory in this one. In four of the five most significant road victories of Spurrier's tenure, USC scored 16 points or less. So, it's not like it hasn't happened before. USC must keep the game close throughout by limiting the number of turnovers, playing strong defense and hoping LSU makes a few mistakes. The formula worked to perfection at Georgia two weeks ago. Can it work again? Five years ago, USC went into Tiger Stadium and played well for the first half before an avalanche of mistakes and turnovers got the notorious LSU crowd going and doomed USC's chances in the second half. A key component to this game may be the weather. Scattered thunderstorms are predicted for the Baton Rouge area Saturday night. If it's raining at game time, the balance could shift in USC's favor.

PREDICTION: USC needs to quickly establish an effective running game and snap off some long drives and control time of possession as they did in Gainesville last year. At the same time, they have to mix in some passes to keep the LSU defense honest. While everyone knows how good the LSU defense is, the offense may be underrated. The loss of Doucet at wide receiver will hurt, no doubt. And Matt Flynn may not be 100 percent healthy. But it may not matter. The Tigers are deep at nearly every position and have plenty of bodies to fill in. Think of the Storm Troopers in Star Wars. But I keep getting back to the thought Spurrier will find a way to keep the game close. Most national pundits like Spencer Tillman of CBS are predicting a blowout victory for the Tigers. I don't think that will happen. I've seen Spurrier do it too many times against superior teams to think LSU will cruise past the Gamecocks. But LSU is playing at home and the crowd at Tiger Stadium is famous for making a lot of noise. I think USC will battle the Tigers hard. But USC's lack of a productive passing attack concerns me. LSU could easily make the Gamecocks one-dimensional on offense, and that's never a good thing. Conversely, I expect the USC defense to play much tougher against the Tigers than their first three opponents did. But will it be enough? Can USC win? With a little bit of good fortune, yes. But unless LSU helps them out, the Tigers will probably win this game. Stated another way, if both USC and LSU brings their 'A' games, the Tigers should prevail. But I believe after a stellar effort, USC will gain a healthy amount of respect throughout the SEC and the nation, and set themselves up nicely for a strong run over the final eight games of the regular season. If the game is close and hard-fought, as I expect it will, they may tumble only a few spots in the polls. LSU 24, USC 14.


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It's easier to think of Larry King swearing off marriage, Bill Clinton joining the Republican Party, or Brittney Spears being named Mother of the Year.

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Coached by Steve Spurrier?

Pigs flew in Alabama in 1993. There was a Bluegrass Miracle in 2002. But Spurrier committing to the run?

Right.

Next we'll hear that Nick Saban accepted a 6-year term as president of his neighborhood homeowners association.

But it's true. The numbers are a little deceiving, as the Gamecocks average about 13 yards per game more through the air than on the ground, but listen to the coach.

"We run it better than we throw it. We'll keep trying to throw it some more but we have to run it," said Spurrier on the SEC teleconference this week.

I had to make sure it wasn't Houston Nutt's segment.

The best player on the USC offense in the tailback, and his backup is pretty good too, so even though quarterback Blake Mitchell (#12, 6-3, 217-lbs., SR.) is among the career leaders in passing yardage at the school, Darth Visor is loathe to put the game in his hands.

It was surreal to hear Spurrier this week. He doesn't ever recall being this big an underdog. He couldn't remember if he had lost a game to LSU during his playing career (he didn't). His opening remarks, paraphrased, were "if we lose it's not the end of the world" and "I have to be realistic with my team. I'm not one of these coaches that talks about whipping somebody's tail when I'm this big an underdog."

Where's the "Free Shoes University" chatter? You can't spell Citrus without UT?

He sounded like Ali before his fight with Larry Holmes. With his skills diminished, the swagger was gone. Spurrier's skills are still sharp, but he doesn't have the tools he needs.

Steve Spurrier may be the greatest coach the SEC has ever seen, dominating in an era designed for parity, changing 60-year old attitudes and philosophies along the way. He has always been candid and honest, which makes him interesting in a world of coach-speak sound bytes. With equal talent, I'd still take him over anyone under a headset today.

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Unless it's all part of the master plan to lull everyone to sleep.

Never underestimate the Ole Ball Coach.


The South Carolina offense

Tailback Cory Boyd (#3, 6-1, 217-lbs., SR.) is averaging 6.5 yards per carry through three games. He's an exceptionally strong cutback runner with enough speed to hit the corner against most teams. He'll put a shoulder into a defender, and is a fine receiver out of the backfield.

Boyd's off the field problems and reluctance to buy into what Spurrier was selling the last two years probably stunted his development. He seems primed for a big senior season.

His backup, Mike Davis (#25, 5-9, 215-lbs., JR.) is a lot like Boyd, minus the off the field stuff, and his numbers are almost identical across the board. Both of these backs figure prominently in the passing game, with nine receptions each.

Quarterback Blake Mitchell has been up and down so much in his Gamecock career that if he had been with Spurrier at any other point, he would have been benched double-digit times. Remember, Terry Dean went from Heisman candidate to second string once under SOS.

Mitchell has a plus arm and is mobile, and his completion percentage is good on the season. However, he tends to be all over the place, both on the field (3 INT's in 2 games) and off (a suspension in the season opener for missing class). His leadership skills have come into question for these transgressions.

When Mitchell gets hot, he can win against almost anybody. When he's not, the Gamecocks are in big trouble.

Tight end Andy Boyd (#80, 6-4, 265-lbs., SR.) has nice ability. He's a good inline blocker with solid hands, though he lacks great speed. Boyd will be in an NFL camp next season if he can solve the biggest hole in his game, which is his inability to avoid injuries.

The offensive line has been average at best. Boyd and Davis have been getting their yards, but the quarterbacks have been pressured all too often. The six sacks allowed just begins to tell the story. This group has to take some responsibility for the Gamecocks' seven turnovers.


The South Carolina defense

The words "Brinkley on the tackle" should ring throughout Tiger Stadium often on Saturday. That's because there are two of them.

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Jasper has strong hands and gets off blocks quickly. He's very physical, and a sure tackler. He also excels in pass coverage, and already has two interceptions this season. Jasper won't come off the field. If he runs well for the clock, the only area he really has any question marks about, he'll be a middle round draft choice next year.

Casper, who played defensive end last season, is moving back there this week. Junior end Nathan Pepper was lost for the year last week, and Casper will replace him. Backup end Cliff Matthews, rather than move up at that position, will instead play Casper's weakside linebacker.

The move probably suits Casper, who was struggling in pass coverage. He's much better as a pass rusher, with a quick first step and more than enough speed to chase down backside plays. How the move effects Matthews is a much bigger question.

The South Carolina special teams

Ryan Succop (#14, 6-2, 214-lbs., JR.) handles the kicking and punting. He is 4-5 on field goals, missing from only 47 yards, and also kicks off.

His punting average of 41.9 is very good, but the coverage has been lacking, as Gamecock opponents average over 13 yards per return. LSU hasn't had much success in this area. Maybe this will be the week.

The return people are average.


Intangibles

The freak injury to Charles Alexander really hurts LSU. He was really starting to come on, taking more snaps than anyone else in the defensive line rotation except Glen Dorsey and maybe Tyson Jackson.

Marlon Favorite and Al Woods should be able to do the job, and Woods is a star waiting to explode, but Alexander was starting for a reason, and it's because he was the best guy available. You don't lose that guy and not feel it some. LSU's defensive firepower is stoked up front first and foremost, so they need some people to step up.

To quote from Apollo 13, "they'll be OK as long as they don't lose another one." However, this does put some question into the redshirt of Drake Nevis.


The previously mentioned defensive moves for South Carolina will be interesting to watch. They moved two people when they only had to move one, so they must feel more comfortable this way.

Mitchell will try to become the first quarterback to make it through a game against LSU.

Matt Flynn will likely start, so how much of Ryan Perrilloux will Gary Crowton throw at the Gamecocks?

Early Doucet's absence will be felt, but the understudies have been fine here.


The last, and only, time that Steve Spurrier didn't win against LSU, he may have outsmarted himself. He kept Doug Johnson throwing against a stacked deck with fresh rushers coming at him, when riding tailback Fred Taylor might well have erased one of the biggest upsets in LSU history.

This time, he's just outgunned.

LSU 38 South Carolina 7
 
Herbstreit and Corso just said LSU wins a close one.

Also, I am in Baton Rouge now, and it is sunny. I read a revised forecast yesterday that said the chance of rain is 100%, so the forecast went from 40% to 60% to 100%. Now the meteorologists are saying if it rains at all in Baton Rouge it will be on Sunday.

It's time to shower and tailgate...

Geaux Tigers!!!
 
Great thread guys. Ive been reading it for a couple days now and there is alot of good information here. The thing is, as much as I know Spurrier and what he can do, I just dont think the Cocks have what it takes (yet) to keep it close with LSU at the level they are playing. I honestly see LSU runing away from SC in this game. Just my .02

Good Luck to all on whatever side you choose :cheers:
 
Blue Chip - Thanks for the time in this thread, was a fun week discussing the game. You guys are a very impressive team, just soooooo fast. Dorsey is flat out a monster and you have a shit load of offensive weapons. It is just so hard to run on you guys with that guy clogging the middle and the team speed on the outside. Good luck the rest of the yr and us Gamecocks wouldn't mind seeing you knock off UF in a couple weeks

:cheers:
 
I would be proud of the gamecocks today. It was a solid effort.


I was not happy after Spurrier went for it on our 35 or whatever down 21-7. I just hated the play call. What I am happy about is that the team never quit. I didn't want to leave there with a 42-7 score and it didn't happen. We have a long long long ways to go. We do come away from this game with a QB controversy and some significant injuries (Brinkley) so will be interesting to see what happens this week.

****Smelley starting vs. Miss St


LSU Backers......I said this to myself when it happened. I think when Miles decided to try the flea flicker, that is when your spread cover went out the window.
 
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FYI, with Smelley entering the game, it keeps LSU's defensive record alive. Anyone know what that record is?

Every team through four weeks has replaced their QB versus the LSU defense. It is a lil record some LSU fans are keeping track of. Whether injury or poor performance, no team has yet to keep one QB in versus the Tigers. Tulane will replaced Elliot toward the end of the game, like they did versus Houston two weeks ago, but unless Tebow gets hurt, then I see the record ending at 5 games.
 
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