The NBA Finals: Oklahoma City vs Indiana Discussion

[divol]

How in the world they hanging a fuvkinb -11 for gm2?? They are basically forcing me to be a pacers fan! This is so fucking redic, all day still heard all the tv bobbleidiots proclaim either this was like when Allen iverson went up against lakers and AI won game 1 then Lakers ran off 4 straight. So now after pacers walk them down they comparing okc to the fuckin Kobe and shaq lakers? You gotta be shifting me, can you imagine what Shaq would do to those stick figure white boys down low? I know SGA wouldn’t be scoring 30+ on Kobe! Those lakers won 3 straight championships and woulda won 4 if they didn’t bring on all those washed up losers like Malone and Gary Payton trying to freeload a ring since Jorden kept them from getting their own! somehow the thunder are them now??? Shit is beyond stupid!! Anyone think pacers will turn it over 25x again? I sure don’t. And that comparison to the lakers snd Philly so dumb cause like I said shaq would have pushed okc around, pacers are way stronger dudes than okc stick figures like SGA and Chet!!

It gets better, then I heard them talking bout how after nuggets stole game one they beat the nuggets by 43 next game! Why is that relevant and what do pacers and nuggets have in common other than winning game 1 in okc? I know what they don’t have in common. Nuggets were content to win 1 game in okc, they had no depth and were tired for game 2, plus im sure once they were buried early they threw in the towel to save their energy. Pacers damn sure havnt been content with taking 1 road game in any series and they ain’t gonna be laying down here happy to get 1. If okc wins by even 20+ I’ll quit watching again but it not happening. Maybe they cover but I doubt it, there no fucjing way I would lay it even tho I kinda do think okc will win this one, they deserve that much respect but not -11 respect. That is asinine, they making it to where you can only play 1 side!

Yeah, but books want even action on both sides most of the time. If they put -7 for example - its simply begging for money on OKC. -11 is fair as far as books go and the fact that from -10 it went only to -11, is because of the things you said. The fact that it's not moving, only shows (for now) that the books did a good read. If by game time the line will be -9 - then you're right and everyone bet on the Pacers...

 

[2daBank]

Yeah, but books want even action on both sides most of the time. If they put -7 for example - its simply begging for money on OKC. -11 is fair as far as books go and the fact that from -10 it went only to -11, is because of the things you said. The fact that it's not moving, only shows (for now) that the books did a good read. If by game time the line will be -9 - then you're right and everyone bet on the Pacers...

It just insane to me ppl are willing to lay that many points. I understand what you saying I said myself the books bailed me out of game 1 cause if okc was lined around -6 which I thought was much more accurate then yea I woulda been on okc and with the way all the tv clowns been talking bout okc being the greatest team of a generation (before winning anything!) I suppose they would have had been swamped with okc money. I didn’t really think about it like that, I just thought more along the lines there no way in hell I could lay that number. in fairness they played most that game up 12 or so, obviously the 1st half and the parade of turnovers it looked like okc might run them out the gym.

That said pacers showed why they not frauds like say the last time Heat made the finals with a bunch of scrubs. You wouldn’t expect a deserving nba finalist would let the lead balloon to a redic number and why im lnclined to take the points in gm2 even tho I do feel okc wins it. just the same situation where if it was more like -5 or -6 I’d consider okc but I guess you correct that would lead to a ton of okc action at a number that much more reasonable they cover. I hope okc takes game 2 cause won’t I be correct in assuming that -6 will probably be around what okc laying at Indy? I’ll happily chase pacers ml if it goes to Indy 1-1. Always appreciate your feedback as I’ve always read your nba stuff/respect your nba knowledge.

 

[2daBank]

And no I don’t expect everyone to be on pacers gm2, from what I heard today the tv bobble heads still convinced okc the greatest thing since sliced bread so that probably is the opinion of most the avg fans also. They were all about pushing the stupid narrative that okc beat nuggets by 43 after losing game 1 in that series. I have no clue why there any comparison to the nuggets and pacers since while I think nuggets with a healthy porter jr are as good a starting 5 as anyone we all knew their issue was depth and we also know how confident they were to win games in Denver so it was the classic series where the road team can’t match the intensity cause they were happy with a split, I actually laid the points on okc in that game 2 even tho it wasn’t easy for me, that was one the few series this year I had a decent read on. We know Indy has tons of depth just like okc, they not gonna wear down or be content to spilt: Doesn’t mean they win but I think they play better than gm1 and it a game inside 10.

 

[Inspekdah]

Dont you think their game 3 efforts have been a product of winning 2 on the road? I do. I think they probably win those 2 away and get a tad complacent. 1st off I don’t think for one minute they get their doors blown off, I do kinda think okc wins but I wouldn’t bet on it, especially since books making it impossible to do so imo. There no chance im so confident id lay -600 or -11!! That is just dumb cause I fully expect pacers to play way better in gm2. Okc might play awesome but I still don’t think that a blowout unless you think they turn it over that much again? I don’t think they will seeing how they only turned it over 6x in second half. Anyways I wouldn’t discount pacers gm3 if it is 1-1, if they go home to 2-0 again then yes by all means I’ll be on okc also long as not more than -6 or so. Assuming they go to Indy 1-1 then I’ll be running a ml chase on pacers to Win one at home since we will still be getting nice plus money since okc is apparently right next to the Kobe/shaq lakers and Jordan bulls far as historically great teams, apparently they have passed up warriors already cause havnt heard that comparison yet! Lol

This feels like a 40 point blowout. Indy was on fire from 3. They can’t handle the pressure at all. It’s beyond taking care of the ball. OKC has been pretty blah to start their series honestly. Trailed by DD to Minny and lost to Denver. Refs didn’t help them at all in that one. A freak lane violation and they called it very tick tack. Favoring the finess East team. I mean this was a 99% outcome before it wasn’t.

 

[Inspekdah]

I’ve never seen 64% on the dog on the scores chat spread pick em. Could be the biggest dog ever.

 

[2daBank]

This feels like a 40 point blowout. Indy was on fire from 3. They can’t handle the pressure at all. It’s beyond taking care of the ball. OKC has been pretty blah to start their series honestly. Trailed by DD to Minny and lost to Denver. Refs didn’t help them at all in that one. A freak lane violation and they called it very tick tack. Favoring the finess East team. I mean this was a 99% outcome before it wasn’t.

Indy has been the best 3 point shooting team all playoffs. Wasn’t a fluke. I don’t understand why everyone thinks thunder some great team? They havnt done shit. There no chance this 20 points even tho the garbage nba every other game a blowout. You seriously calling Indy finess? They stronger and more physical than okc all over. Anyways good luck with that, I know thunder are the greatest team in history but when they were winning 1st half cause Indy handed them
The ball 19x it woulda just made me question Indy cause the thunder are not some all time team, this what the nba has sunk to, trying to convince ppl a super young team who 2 best players are stick figures and never won shit a all time team, lol. Ok. Cause they slap arms and get away with it? All those steals and they still couldn’t blow Indy out. Haliburton will be better game 2. SGA the free throw hunter is not the finess team? I don’t even like pacers but im so so sick of all the okc love; if Denver has a bench at all, or maybe even just if Porter jr was healthy they beat the all time thunder team. I just hope Indy doesn’t win game 2 so I can chase their money line for an easy win at home.

 

[Inspekdah]

It was a great comeback but it’s still hard to say Indy is some better team when they were 99% to lose the game and led for - 1/9600th of the game. If they can keep having teams trip over themselves down the stretch in epic form. Like 1 out of 200 all time collapses. Sure.

11 is a lot but I don’t expect the NBA to involve themselves too much with this outcome. 1-1 back to Indy is the recipe.

-520 ML actually has tons of value. Way more probable than even the Dodgers over Rocks.

 

[2daBank]

It was a great comeback but it’s still hard to say Indy is some better team when they were 99% to lose the game and led for - 1/9600th of the game. If they can keep having teams trip over themselves down the stretch in epic form. Like 1 out of 200 all time collapses. Sure.

11 is a lot but I don’t expect the NBA to involve themselves too much with this outcome. 1-1 back to Indy is the recipe.

-520 ML actually has tons of value. Way more probable than even the Dodgers over Rocks.

I mean yea I would agree if Indy plays the same way okc prob covers but why would we think that when they cut the turnovers way down after a half, I think okc speed on defense and hand slapping just catches ya off guard at 1st, Indy in general a low turnover team, okc had as many ft’s so not sure bout the reg influence? I think okc probably wins but there nothing that wants to make me lay -11 or that big ass ml. Like I said I hope it 1-1 cause then we finally get the kind of series I think easy to bet where I can take pacers ml
To win a home game cause I think it be 2-2 just as likely as 1-1.

 

[B.A.R.]

Dissecting the box from G1...

The two wildest stats....

OKC 13 total assists.

Indy with a 56-39 boards advantage.

The Thunder are not the type of team to only have a bakers dozen assists. That's so atypical.

They rarely are pounded on the boards as well.

Pacers 2h was so efficient. Only 6 turnovers and shot 14-27 on twos and 10-20 on three's. They also shortened up the PITP deficit to a reasonable number.

OKC sometimes falls in love with the 3, but they didn't in the 2h. Only 12 attempts. Odd offense. Some of that is on them, and some is on the Pacers.

 

[B.A.R.]

We know what OKC usually does in this situation.

We know Indy has other ideas, ask the Knicks.

Yes, the NY and OKC teams are much different.

Game 2 is a big "capping" game for me.

I'll be watching ball movement early on for the Thunder...

Conversely, I want to see how well the Pacers value the ball vs this suffocating defense.

This may well be a blowout, but small things will set up the rest of this series.

Watch the little things.

And, remember, if you want "overs" on props tomorrow -- then you best thing this is a game in question starting the 4th.

I would love to have a total team assists prop here.

 

[B.A.R.]

For those who think G1 was a fluke, instead of laying the series price you can grab OKC -1.5 games at +100 right now.

Food for thought.

 

[Patrick9]

Dissecting the box from G1...

The two wildest stats....

OKC 13 total assists.

Indy with a 56-39 boards advantage.

The Thunder are not the type of team to only have a bakers dozen assists. That's so atypical.

They rarely are pounded on the boards as well.

Pacers 2h was so efficient. Only 6 turnovers and shot 14-27 on twos and 10-20 on three's. They also shortened up the PITP deficit to a reasonable number.

OKC sometimes falls in love with the 3, but they didn't in the 2h. Only 12 attempts. Odd offense. Some of that is on them, and some is on the Pacers.

Thanks for the thoughts.

What's PITP stand for?

I couldn't find it.

 

[B.A.R.]

Thanks for the thoughts.

What's PITP stand for?

I couldn't find it.

Points in the paint

 

[Patrick9]

Points in the paint

Thank you.

It seems so obvious, now.

 

[divol]

Very hard read for me G2. I feel that Thunder should have won G1. They managed to lose it in a way I honestly still don't get. Caruso was terrible. Leaving his player way too many times on defense, with reckless gambling that turned either to turnover by the Pacers or easy bucket by them. Add to this three missed three pointer open from the corner.
But it's all the small things. Overall, Thunder were in total control and it was 8-12 points game, that felt like 40+. Thunder won the game right till the moment they didn't.

Lost my bet on Pacers Under 110.5 points in almost the same brutal way the Thunder lost. Had no problem making this bet again, if it lost - but the way it lost... hard to find value. Still think it's too much, but so hard to say again, how both teams react.
Will probably wait till live betting on this one.
I do think Thunder need to gamble less. I also think that they need to kill the game next time, if they have the chance... All else we will see live and try to find value there

 

[skanless13]

Any props yall are liking tonight? Maybe a big game from Chet?

 

[guinness]

Believe Pacers clean some things up, get through the 1st quarter and +11 is crazy....1st quarter definitely key this game

 

[2daBank]

I took the 11 points to cap a 2 teamer w giants mlb, I think okc probably wins but I just don’t care if I lose I just don’t think pacers gonna roll over and lay down, I also took pacers tt ov 108.5, the fact they got to 111 with the terrible 1st half and now the number lower? Again if I lose fuck it I just feel like okc being incredibly overrated or pacers are being totally disrespected with these numbers. I guess we shall see.

Like I’ve said many times I would prefer okc wins this game obviously w no cover, if it goes back to Indy 1-1 I’ll feel really good bout chasing what should be a nice home money line cause if it goes 1-1 I feel like 2-2 is inevitable! If pacers do shock the world and win this game than I’ll most likely be happy to lay -5 or -6 on okc at Indy. Feel like those should be the lines at home (maybe -7) but I don’t think home court important with these teams and we know what pacers have did game 3 at home every series coming in 2-0. So either no matter what happens tonight I think my next bet is predetermined which is how I like it and been missing for me lot these playoffs! Lol

 

[2daBank]

Any props yall are liking tonight? Maybe a big game from Chet?

I was too hung over so I ate Indica gummies all day and slept, I couldnt focus on numbers but I like Siakam over, he misssd by half point game 1.

 

[guinness]

After 1st, feel real comfy with 11....

 

[2daBank]

If Caruso and Wiggins gonna score 38 this series over. I suspect back in Indy we see toppin and pacers bench guys have a big game and outplay okc bench in one the games In Indy. I’ve come to the conclusion there is simply no answer for SGA, just pencil him in for 34+ every game, I think he might even score more in Indy especially if any the okc roll players struggle in one the games. Feel dumb I havnt been playing SGA points, I wasn’t sure if Carlye have a plan to d him up but it seems to me that not even worth trying, I mean have your best defenders take him and live with it, just don’t let the other guys get off.

Think it was obvious okc made a huge mistake taking harkenstien out the starting lineup to begin this series. I figure he only get 15 or so minutes this series similar to the minny series but it obvious he makes so much a impact on boards and I guess he discouraged pacers from going into the paint and shooting to many jumpers. Not to mention it just came Off as showing weakness coming in as the big favs and you found the need to adjust to them? That ass backwards, he didn’t start this game but he did get 22 minutes. I think they should probably play him 25 if he helping keep pacers from getting in paint and instead they think they need to try and pull him away from basket settling for jumpers.

Maybe Indy make more of them at home? I think they were shooting over 40% from 3 these playoffs, ended up shooting 35% which not terrible but lot of those came late I think, they shot damn near the exact same amount as game 1 so I guess they didn’t shoot to many? They were only shooting about 30 or so most the Knicks series, I’d prefer to see them closer to that number than taking 40 a game! Other than that I think the biggest problem is gotta be how inconsistent haliburton is, his clutch shots have elevated him into being a star, stars can’t have points and 5 dimes w 4 turnovers going into 4th when he finally started getting into the paint and finished w 17, that was a fugazi 17. Once again just like the roll players im pretty sure we get one haliburton 20+ points 10+ assist game back in Indy.

 

[divol]

Didn't watch the game yet. Woke up, saw the lead at HT and decided I rather catch few hours of sleep and watch the game later
Overall, looking only at scoreboard - two completely different halves both scoring wise (was sure that Under was sealed at HT and was kicking myself for not taking it) and the way Pacers managed to win 2nd half as well.
At the moment it looks like 4 - 1 or 4 -2 win for the Thunder or at least they are in control of the series as much as before the series started. You can't ignore that the series is tied 1-1, but you also can't ignore that Thunder lead for 94 out of 96 minutes of the series so far.
This was much more classic game by the Pacers than Game 1 and the result should worry them. 27 assists, only 15 TO. 7 players in DD - this is all classic Pacers display minus Tyrese doing 6 assists on 5 TO - something we rarely see... No foul trouble for them, no anomalies in shooting percentage for both teams.
You can look at Caruso and Wiggins (btw, did take very small bet on Caruso Over 11.5 P+A) - but you can look at all others in this position - overall, I think there are enough Thunder players that can score around 100 points without SGA - how you split the pie not that important... We yet to see one great game from Williams or Chet...

Btw, there is a bet in my sportsbook on Siakam/ Williams who scores more with Siakam getting 2.24 odds - something I think pretty decent after 2 games...