Texas Tech @ Oklahoma

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ynnhoj316

Pretty much a regular
Time to get this thing started again. I do like a side, would take the under (don't have the balls to bet it), but I am most interested in the props. Unfortuantely, these won't be released with my local or my online book until Friday/Saturday morning. Stay tuned..in the meantime, theonion.com broke down Saturday night's Big 12 match up.

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Tough game, probably best to just lay off and enjoy......












We all know thats not gonna happen tho.
 
RJ Esq said:
Line will drop by Thursday. Question is does it drop to 6, 5, or 4.
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I disagree. I don't think it will touch 4, maybe not even 5.

Line opened 6.5, dropped to 5.5 at bookmaker, back to 6 within mins, now at 6.5 across the board.

Sophisticated bettors know how tall an order it is for any team in the country to go into Norman at night against this incredible offense and improving young defense. If it touches 4, I might have to drive to Vegas and unload an SUV full of cash.
 
majent said:
I disagree. I don't think it will touch 4, maybe not even 5.

Line opened 6.5, dropped to 5.5 at bookmaker, back to 6 within mins, now at 6.5 across the board.

Sophisticated bettors know how tall an order it is for any team in the country to go into Norman at night against this incredible offense and improving young defense. If it touches 4, I might have to drive to Vegas and unload an SUV full of cash.
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Wait until later in the week. And it opened at 7.
 
majent said:
According to RX's odds, it opened at 6.5

http://lines.therx.com/livelines/odds/lines.jsp?sport=ncaafb&period=0

If this is not the correct opener, do you have a site which you believe is more accurate?
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according to scoresandodds.com, it opened at 7. They are usually pretty good.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 summary="" border=0><TBODY><TR class=game_time><TD class="first left"></TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD><TD class=notescol> </TD></TR><TR class=game_team><TD class="first nowrap">153 texas tech</TD><TD>70 </TD><TD>74 / 74o12 / 75 </TD><TD>75.5 </TD><TD>+201 </TD><TD class="left last "> </TD><TD class=notescol> </TD></TR><TR class=game_team><TD class="first nowrap">154 oklahoma</TD><TD>-7 -05 </TD><TD>-6.5 -01 / -6.5 +06 / -6.5 -01 </TD><TD>-6.5 </TD><TD>-227 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 
Opened at 6 on Sportsbook - same with the local, but now it is up to 7. TTU game watching party at Bond this week, right SHSU?
 
im buyin tech up to 7 and hitting them again....for the 3rd straight win in a row on them
 
RJ Esq said:
Majent--

I spend every Sunday waiting for the lines to come out. I can tell you, it opened at 7.
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I'll take your word for it. We're discussing half-a-friggen-point here, so let's move on.

I think the current widely available at 6.5 is a very fair line and will induce pretty even sharp action on both sides. Hence, a move down to 5 or up to 8 would surprise me quite a bit. It dropped to 5.5 on bookmaker for a matter of mins (I line watch on Sunday afternoons, too), and I have no reason to think that line drops will get bet back up all week long.

Of course, this is all barring major injury to either QB during this week of practice.
 
Couple different things to put in your pipe and think about:

1. Texas was VERY banged up and tired and spent when they played TT, having played 3 top 10 teams in a row already.
2. Texas was probably already VERY banged up and tired and spent when they played Okie Lite. Okie Lite always plays us tough but in hindsight I think you can see it.
3. Oklahoma is generally a much better team now than they were when they played Texas, particularly if measured from when they lost Ryan Reynolds in the 3rd Quarter. It's no coincidence that Texas really started pulling away when Reynolds was lost.
4. This is a HUGE game personally and as a team for OU and revenge. Bradford and Murray were both knocked out of last year's game and barring the stumble in Lubbock would have likely played for the national championship.

Now everyone knows I'm biased about this game as is everyone else in this thread. I think it will be a good game but if you're going to pick this one SU, how can you not choose the Sooners?
 
This will be Tech's 3rd straight game vs. a top 10 team. You either win or lose. You don't say your team was tired.

It's just 1 season. UT will reload and this time next year, y'all will beat us.
 
RJ Esq said:
3. Oklahoma is generally a much better team now than they were when they played Texas, particularly if measured from when they lost Ryan Reynolds in the 3rd Quarter. It's no coincidence that Texas really started pulling away when Reynolds was lost.
4. This is a HUGE game personally and as a team for OU and revenge. Bradford and Murray were both knocked out of last year's game and barring the stumble in Lubbock would have likely played for the national championship.
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3. Exactly. The already-young defense was shell-shocked when Ryan went down. He was/is the spiritual leader of the D. They have come around and are playing much better since. The competition has not been great, but you can see that they are in the right place to make plays. Great coaching and great execution by the youngsters.

4. Exactly. This is why I scoffed last week when last year's 34-27 final was mentioned. There is a huge drop-off from Sam to the back-up Joey, yet OU still lost by only a TD in Lubbock at night last season. If Joey and the team had known all week that he was gonna start, it might've been a different story. Sam had to sit due to a concussion that occurred in the first series so the team needed to adjust quickly, on the road at night in Lubbock, no less. I give both teams credit for playing a great game. If Sam had played the whole game, I think OU wins by 7.

Tech will folks will say, "We scored 34 on your D!". Well, if Sam had played, your offense would not have gotten the ball as much because the Sooners would have been scoring at will on long, sustained drives that would have kept Graham and co. on the Tech bench. Injuries to a team's best offensive player have a trickle down effect that causes tougher special teams because of poor field position, and the defense gets put in bad spots with short fields because of back-up QB's mistakes. But try explaining that to 90% of America who is Joe-avg CFB fan.

OU plays in very big games very year, but the implications for this one are huge. It will be electric in Norman on Sat night, and the electricity will be induced mainly by the vaunted Sooner offense and the opportunity they have to show who the best O in the country is.
 
ynnhoj316 said:
This will be Tech's 3rd straight game vs. a top 10 team. You either win or lose. You don't say your team was tired.

It's just 1 season. UT will reload and this time next year, y'all will beat us.
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Fuck, dude. It's not excuses. It's analysis.

Also, while this may be Tech's 3rd straight game vs. a top 10 team, Tech had one thing that Texas did not have--a bye.
 
JumpOnBoard said:
RJ quit talkin about texas ...this is a tech vs OU game.

lol
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If you read the article that YNN posted, Jump, alot of the analysis has to do with how Texas played each team as a common opponent.

That is why Texas is even mentioned in this thread.
 
majent said:
I'll take your word for it. We're discussing half-a-friggen-point here, so let's move on.

I think the current widely available at 6.5 is a very fair line and will induce pretty even sharp action on both sides. Hence, a move down to 5 or up to 8 would surprise me quite a bit. It dropped to 5.5 on bookmaker for a matter of mins (I line watch on Sunday afternoons, too), and I have no reason to think that line drops will get bet back up all week long.

Of course, this is all barring major injury to either QB during this week of practice.
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The line is now back up to 7 at most shops.
 
ynnhoj316 said:
did OU have a bye week before the UT game as well?
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I know what you're getting at -- you're obviously trying to draw a parallel between OU's worst game this season and see if it applies to this week's game.

It does not.

I watch and record every OU game, then watch them twice more on recording. That's each game, watched 3 times.

I assure you that OU is a much, much better team today than they were vs. Texas. On that day, Texas was the better football team, and OU's -2 in turnovers + giving up a kickoff return for TD + losing the most indispensable defensive player (MLB is very important position, moreso on OU this season).

All things considered, I'm surprised OU only lost by 10.

The team that Tech sees in Norman will be the best overall OU team since the halfway point of the 2004 season. This is why I will have absolutely no excuses whatsoever if Tech wins. If Tech wins, no matter what the fashion (turnovers, special teams, refs blown calls, whatever), they will have earned it.
 
majent said:
I know what you're getting at -- you're obviously trying to draw a parallel between OU's worst game this season and see if it applies to this week's game.

It does not.

I watch and record every OU game, then watch them twice more on recording. That's each game, watched 3 times.

I assure you that OU is a much, much better team today than they were vs. Texas. On that day, Texas was the better football team, and OU's -2 in turnovers + giving up a kickoff return for TD + losing the most indispensable defensive player (MLB is very important position, moreso on OU this season).

All things considered, I'm surprised OU only lost by 10.

The team that Tech sees in Norman will be the best overall OU team since the halfway point of the 2004 season. This is why I will have absolutely no excuses whatsoever if Tech wins. If Tech wins, no matter what the fashion (turnovers, special teams, refs blown calls, whatever), they will have earned it.
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Absolutely agree.

If Tech wins, all questions have been answered and Tech will be the best team from out of the South. If Tech loses, which is no insult, the debate will exist as to who was really the best team out of the South and 1 of the 3 will not be in the BCS no matter what.

I don't agree with that as all 3 should be in the BCS and 1 should be in the MNC.
 
i was only wondering when/if they had another bye week in the season. tech had 2 byes this year, but only had 1 bye week last year.
 
RJ Esq said:
If Tech wins, all questions have been answered and Tech will be the best team from out of the South.
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If Tech wins by any margin, even 1 point, I will say that they are the best team in the land not named Florida.

If Oklahoma wins by say less than 10, the 2nd best team in America is up for much debate.

If Oklahoma wins big, say by DD and is clearly in control the whole game, be prepared for a rise in the BCS rankings come Sunday, and then the trip to stoolwater on Nov 29th could mean a trip to the Big-12 title game and subsequently the BCS title game, hangs in the balance....

The next 3 weeks in CFB are huge, which is just another reason why this sport's reg season is SECOND TO NONE
 
My prediction is the amount of people yelling for 0u has doubled this week. Alot of red ,wearing orange underwear.
They should start this game late. Alot of people will still be at Texas Stadium watching Trinity/Plano. That's a real game, in a championship format.
GL to both teams. 0u and TT.

Press
 
ynnhoj316 said:
Press,
Who does Permian have this week? Do yall have any more Bront Birds for us?
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Mojo has Burleson this Friday in Shitwell......er Shotwell.
It's going to be a little chilly. But the boys should advance, if they don't get a case of look-ahead.
Next week has been turned on it's ear. We were supposed to go to Odessa for Thanksgiving. But if Mojo advances, they will play the winner of Coppell/Allen in Texas Stadium,, next Friday.
I went from being a guest, to hosting Thanksgiving dinner.
Works for me , I don't have to drive out there, then back if the game had been Saturday at TS.

GL

Press
 
PLAY AGAINST any undefeated conference road team from Game # 10 on out that allows more tha 10 ppg vs an opponent with revenge off a win if the opponent was favored by 35 or less points in its last game...PLAY AGAINST TEXAS TECH

Here is a good tongue twister...
 
Dissecting OU's 59-2 home record under Stoops...first number is the team's ranking at the time of the game - second number is end of year ranking.

2008
Chattanooga - Unranked; Unranked
Cincinatti - Unranked; Unranked
TCU - Unranked; 18th
Kansas - 20th; Unranked
Kansas State - Unranked; Unranked
Nebraska - Unranked; Unranked
2007
N. Texas - Unranked; Unranked
Miami (FL) - Unranked; Unranked
Utah State - Unranked; Unranked
Missouri - 5th; 6th (OU Win: 41 - 31)
Texas A&M - Unranked; Unranked
Baylor - Unranked; Unranked
Oklahoma State - Unranked; Unranked
2006
UAB - Unranked; Unranked
Washington - Unranked; Unranked
Mid. Tenn. - Unranked; Unranked
Iowa State - Unranked; Unranked
Colorado - Unranked; Unranked
Texas Tech - Unranked; Unranked
2005
TCU - Early; 14th (Defeated OU 17-10)
Tulsa - Unranked; Unranked
Kansas State - Unranked; Unranked
Baylor - Unranked; Unranked
Texas A&M - Unranked; Unranked
Oklahoma State - Unranked; Unranked
2004
Bowling Green - Unranked; Unranked
Houston - Unranked; Unranked
Oregon - Unranked; 27th
Texas Tech - Unranked; 22nd
Kansas - Unranked; Unranked
Nebraska - Unranked; Unranked
2003
N. Texas - Unranked; Unranked
Fresno St - Unranked; Unranked
UCLA - Unranked; Unranked
Missouri - Unranked; Unranked
Ok. State - 14th; 21st
Texas A&M - Unranked; Unranked
Baylor - Unranked; Unranked
2002
Alabama - Unranked; 28th
UTEP - Unranked; Unranked
S. Florida - Unranked?; Unranked
Iowa State - Unranked?; Unranked
Colorado - 12th ; 13th
Texas Tech - Unranked; Unranked
2001
N. Carolina - Unranked; Unranked
N. Texas - Unranked; Unranked
Kansas St - Unranked; Unranked
Baylor - Unranked; Unranked
Tulsa - Unranked; Unranked
Texas A&M - Unranked; Unranked
Ok. State - Unranked; Unranked (Defeated OU 16-13)
2000
UTEP - Unranked; Unranked
Ark. State - Unranked; Unranked
Rice - Unranked; Unranked
Kansas - Unranked; Unranked
Nebraska - 1st; 8th
Texas Tech - Unranked; Unranked
 
I think I read in Pat Forde's column.....Stoops is 4-8 v. Top 5 or 10 teams ......and 2 of those are v. Mizzou last year.
 
aplous said:
I think I read in Pat Forde's column.....Stoops is 4-8 v. Top 5 or 10 teams ......and 2 of those are v. Mizzou last year.
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I love blanket stats, they are obviously a great way to handicap a game (sarcasm)

Is it better to make the BCS bowl games and lose? or is it better not to make BCS bowl games at all? People forget how great the Buffalo Bills were because they lost 4 Super Bowls, never mind that they won the AFC 4 straight times.

How about Bob Stoops beating Florida State and winning the 2000 national championship?

How about Bob Stoops being 6-4 vs. perennial power Texas?

How about Bob Stoops owning 5 BIG-12 Title Championships?

How about Bob Stoops beating Arkansas in the 2001 Cotton Bowl?

How about Bob Stoops killing Wash St in the 2002 Rose Bowl?

How about Bob Stoops beating a 10-1 Oregon team in the 2005 Holiday?


Yes, the BCS bowl record since 2003 has been forgettable, but let's dissect it a bit, shall we.........

2003 - OU has to play LSU in the BCS Title game at the New Orleans Superdome, a pseudo-home game for LSU, who by the way was one helluva team that season. OU loses by 7. I don't think any team in the country would've beaten LSU in the Superdome that season, not even the great USC team that season. Not in that venue.

2004 - OU loses to one of the greatest teams I have seen in the 23 yrs I have followed this great sport. Sorry Texas fans, but the 2005 version of the Trojans was not nearly as good on defense, in fact not even in the same conversation on defense, as the 2004 team. I live 45 miles from USC's campus and follow the program as closely as anybody on this site -- they were an incredible team in 2004, mainly because of OC Norm Chow and that stout, stout, defense. I don't think any team in the country would have beaten USC that season, but yes, OU could've and should've played better that game. The final score was unacceptable.

2006 - OU loses by 1 pt to a great Boise State team. See Utah 2004 version who blasted Pitt in the Fiesta for a comparison to how good Boise was that season.

2007 - OU goes into the Fiesta w/out top WR Kelly, fastest RB on roster, Murray, and 3 of the top defensive players on the team. They run into a WVA squad that missed playing for the BCS title game by 5 pts (lost to Pitt by a 13-9 count) and whose coach just left. WVA was pissed and looking for respect. They were arguably one of the best 4 teams to finish 07 (LSU, USC, Georgia, the other 3).

Yes, the losses have hurt, but I give Stoops and OU credit for at least getting there. OU is without question one of the top programs in the country, both historically and currently.

If you wana drop stats, how about Stoops's 60-2 record at home? First home loss was 2001 when rival Okie State came in and won by 3. Second home loss was 2005 first game of the season when underrated TCU came in as a 25 pt dog (one of the biggest wagers of my life was TCU +25) and won by 7 vs. an OU team that was replacing 13 starters off the 2004 BIG-12 title winning team.

Since that '05 home loss, OU has won 23 straight at home. 23 STRAIGHT.

Always different ways to look at things. You have your ways, I have mine.

:shake:
 
i love how fanship can deter from the common goal of making some money. Once the game starts nothing in the past years matter. It's this years OU team vs. this years TTU team.
 
On Oklahoma big here. I do look at past stats like everyone else but I think
Oklahoma is just more physical in all aspects of the game and at home they will hurt TT.
 
Who needs points? Well, me a little bit..

5 units Texas Tech ML (+200)
1.15 units Texas Tech +7 (-115)

Hope the Sooner bandwagon is back after tonight
 
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